He was benched for the first three series yesterday and the defense came up with three stops in a row including a safety.
In comes Apple and the chargers start driving the football down the field.
But he's not happy about being benched. Meanwhile his first four games have been abyssmal. 21 catches on 30 targets. DPIs, TDs given up, easy third down and long conversions.
But you're not happy. And he goes on to complain about the team culture.
This is Jerry Reese's and Ben McNcheese's New York Giants folks.
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Aside from his poor play on the field I am seeing him being a part of this culture problem. He’s been caught a few times this year and last year on camera joking around as we get crushed on the field and he seems to not be able to learn on the field.
Welcome to the real world and what happens to weak performers. The rest will get theirs as well...
He didn't look too pissed off when he was yukking it up on the sidelines while Beckham was being carted off the field.
But he's a buckeye so he should be given some sort of leeway?
He's been pure shit on the field. Now he's becoming an issue off of it.
The coaching staff is woefully inadequate and the make up of this team lacks a number of things.
Who is the VETERAN leader on the Oline? Pugh? I don't think so. Jerry? Hell no. Richburg? Umm, also no.. TE's are all made up of younger guys and one guy who just joined the team who doesn't play enough to be a leader. Qb... Eli has never been the LEADER of players, just an example of doing your job and being an iron man. That is good but we still don't have a leader. Veteran RB as a leader? Nope, we don't have that either. WR? Hell NO!!! Our best WR and best player is not a LEADER by any stretch of the imagination. Marshall?? Too new, too ineffective and has never been a LEADER in the past... Our Offense has no leadership to right the ship. The Coach is clearly not that guy either.
Defensively.. Now, Harrison is a good to very good player but no idea on his leadership abilities. JPP? Never really been his thing. OV? No idea... LB's we have no really good veteran who can lead with both attitude adn play. JC is a leader supposedly but his play does nothing to change the games outcome, at least positively. Our secondary? Collins could be but he is playing more like 2015 than 2016... Product of the overall defense and lack of a safety next to him I would assume.
I can see why Apple said what he said and he is most likely right. Doesn't change the fact that he has played like crap and does not look like our future shut down CB...
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and also interesting he mentions culture is a big issue. He's a smart kid, just young and needs experience, but him mentioning culture and the benching message as "weird" it tends to put weight behind the red flags I/you/others had thrown up earlier.
Aside from his poor play on the field I am seeing him being a part of this culture problem. He’s been caught a few times this year and last year on camera joking around as we get crushed on the field and he seems to not be able to learn on the field.
No argument from me, he's clearly part of the problems and an obvious lightning rod for many fans to vent on, just making it clear it ain't just Apple.
Has nothing to do with where he went to school. He's been hot garbage this season, no doubt about it.
I'm just saying I'm going to going to hold out hope that he turns it around. We all gave up on Corey Webster once upon a time as well.
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Think he still has a fair bit of maturing to do, in addition to the obvious technical issues he needs to clean up in his play. I too saw him laughing on the bench after going down in the 4th
Has nothing to do with where he went to school. He's been hot garbage this season, no doubt about it.
I'm just saying I'm going to going to hold out hope that he turns it around. We all gave up on Corey Webster once upon a time as well.
I know, I know. I'm not advocating giving up on him. But he needs to keep his mouth shut. This kind of thing only magnifies what most of us fans already see in terms of the team culture and issues going forward.
Keep your mouth shut and do your job. Collect your paycheck and keep working. That'd be the first thing McNcheese should be telling these idiots. Anything less than that or spouting off in the media will be met with consequences to include fines and sitting on the fucking bench.
We can only hope it further convinces ownership to dump this coach, who is pretty clearly in over his head.
I can't stand Carl Banks. The guy sees what he wants to see. It's obvious he wanted to place the blame for the third & long conversions directly on Eli, especially the one to Gates. What the hell is he doing covering Gates , anyway? It should be a bigger guy.
On Rivers TD passes, the 2 to Gordon are on Goodsen and Robinson. The deep sail to Henry is Landon Collins responsibility . That route takes a long time. Where the hell is the pass rush? Also how did Gordon, who is a career 3.2 average rusher, get the obligatory 20 for 100? What's Eli got to do with that ?
The Giants are playing shit defense all around. Spagnuolo has reverted to Saints-Giants'15 form .
All if this fucking M2M with no pass rush? They're playing Eli like he's Mike Haynes or Revis. But his play to this young point in his career is no worse than Mark Haynes, Mark Collins and Sehorn. He is a very talented player .
I can't stand Carl Banks. The guy sees what he wants to see. It's obvious he wanted to place the blame for the third & long conversions directly on Eli, especially the one to Gates. What the hell is he doing covering Gates , anyway? It should be a bigger guy.
On Rivers TD passes, the 2 to Gordon are on Goodsen and Robinson. The deep sail to Henry is Landon Collins responsibility . That route takes a long time. Where the hell is the pass rush? Also how did Gordon, who is a career 3.2 average rusher, get the obligatory 20 for 100? What's Eli got to do with that ?
The Giants are playing shit defense all around. Spagnuolo has reverted to Saints-Giants'15 form .
All if this fucking M2M with no pass rush? They're playing Eli like he's Mike Haynes or Revis. But his play to this young point in his career is no worse than Mark Haynes, Mark Collins and Sehorn. He is a very talented player .
Where is the pass rush? Good question.
I can't stand Carl Banks. The guy sees what he wants to see. It's obvious he wanted to place the blame for the third & long conversions directly on Eli, especially the one to Gates. What the hell is he doing covering Gates , anyway? It should be a bigger guy.
On Rivers TD passes, the 2 to Gordon are on Goodsen and Robinson. The deep sail to Henry is Landon Collins responsibility . That route takes a long time. Where the hell is the pass rush? Also how did Gordon, who is a career 3.2 average rusher, get the obligatory 20 for 100? What's Eli got to do with that ?
The Giants are playing shit defense all around. Spagnuolo has reverted to Saints-Giants'15 form .
All if this fucking M2M with no pass rush? They're playing Eli like he's Mike Haynes or Revis. But his play to this young point in his career is no worse than Mark Haynes, Mark Collins and Sehorn. He is a very talented player .
They were playing a ton of zone yesterday and getting beat badly. And rivers missed an easy TD in the first half because Apple released down the middle.
Apple was getting worked on m2m coverages. Maybe that's why they played so much zone.
The coaches have gone out of their way not to attack the young players publicly, so for Apple to accept zero accountability for his play is rather disturbing.
Absolutely, why does he think other teams always go after him, the weak link. Thanks, Jerry!
with two pass interference penalties in the first four games.
Hey kid, just shut up and play football, or cry on
Ma Apple's shoulder okay. No one wants to hear from a
2nd year corner not performing up to snuff!
This could get ugly around here, losing is a bad elixir.
Eli Apple is driving me crazy to the point I'm tired of looking at him, but I'm not ready to "run him out of town". He obviously has talent and is still a very young player (the youngest on the roster). I'm just extremely disappointed that he seems to be accepting zero responsibility for his poor play and is instead worrying about "culture" and what's happening with other people.
Every time the Giants draft a corner and he struggles early, fans point to Corey Webster. The same was said about Prince.
Giant fans make these sort of comparisons better than any fan base in all of sports.
Hell, people are still trying to find reasons why this season is just like 2007 and 2011.
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Many were ready to run Cory out of town after his first few seasons. CB is one of the most difficult positions in the pros, Eli is going to have his ups and downs while he learns (just as Webster did).
Every time the Giants draft a corner and he struggles early, fans point to Corey Webster. The same was said about Prince.
Giant fans make these sort of comparisons better than any fan base in all of sports.
Hell, people are still trying to find reasons why this season is just like 2007 and 2011.
Hard to believe how loose McAdoo cultivated the atmosphere.
Give an inch....
Apple is not a boundary corner, at least not right now. He needs to be in the slot, where the play is more likely to be in front of him, and his problems with ball location are less likely to happen. Of course, spending a top 10 pick on a slot corner is not a good use of resources.
I would use Hunter on the outside.
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Many were ready to run Cory out of town after his first few seasons. CB is one of the most difficult positions in the pros, Eli is going to have his ups and downs while he learns (just as Webster did).
Every time the Giants draft a corner and he struggles early, fans point to Corey Webster. The same was said about Prince.
Giant fans make these sort of comparisons better than any fan base in all of sports.
Hell, people are still trying to find reasons why this season is just like 2007 and 2011.
Other than Prince and Apple, I don't believe the Giants have spent a premium pick on a CB since Webster. I don't remember anyone comparing Prince to Webster, Prince's issues were he couldn't stay healthy.
Apple is not a boundary corner, at least not right now. He needs to be in the slot, where the play is more likely to be in front of him, and his problems with ball location are less likely to happen. Of course, spending a top 10 pick on a slot corner is not a good use of resources.
I would use Hunter on the outside.
The coaching staff is woefully inadequate and the make up of this team lacks a number of things.
Who is the VETERAN leader on the Oline? Pugh? I don't think so. Jerry? Hell no. Richburg? Umm, also no.. TE's are all made up of younger guys and one guy who just joined the team who doesn't play enough to be a leader. Qb... Eli has never been the LEADER of players, just an example of doing your job and being an iron man. That is good but we still don't have a leader. Veteran RB as a leader? Nope, we don't have that either. WR? Hell NO!!! Our best WR and best player is not a LEADER by any stretch of the imagination. Marshall?? Too new, too ineffective and has never been a LEADER in the past... Our Offense has no leadership to right the ship. The Coach is clearly not that guy either.
Defensively.. Now, Harrison is a good to very good player but no idea on his leadership abilities. JPP? Never really been his thing. OV? No idea... LB's we have no really good veteran who can lead with both attitude adn play. JC is a leader supposedly but his play does nothing to change the games outcome, at least positively. Our secondary? Collins could be but he is playing more like 2015 than 2016... Product of the overall defense and lack of a safety next to him I would assume.
I can see why Apple said what he said and he is most likely right. Doesn't change the fact that he has played like crap and does not look like our future shut down CB...
I have said this quite a bit the past two years. The thing is that nobody WANTS to take a leadership role on this team either. Though I think Harrison has been the closest thing to that. Last year zi thought JPP was making quite a few moves in that direction. But this year he has been silent.
You have to wonder if some of these guys have stayed silent because they are not fans of the staff either. Being outspoken, disobedient, disruptive and poisoning the well are counterproductive in terms of future contracts and getting the trust of other staffs. Maybe the most telling and effective way they can show their disapproval might be like a dead fall: let the coaching staff die by their own weight of poor decisions.
Might sound like a reach, but I have not seen such outspoken players so silent.
i've never liked it. you have them a couple of years before they're ready, competing against more mature players. it doesn't seem to make any sense.
But she put herself in the spotlight since draft day...
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as we think drafting all these 20 year olds. Its too much. Just get a hard nosed competitor instead of a kid
i've never liked it. you have them a couple of years before they're ready, competing against more mature players. it doesn't seem to make any sense.
Agreed. If they don't lose their confidence getting their ass handed to them because they're too young, they become good just in time to hit free agency.