Ok, lots of threads and opinions about making a 2018 run or it being time for a complete rebuild. Either way, decisions need to be made about which players are the core of the team for the long term. Some of the players listed are because they are young, cheap and have shown some ability and others because, from a cap perspective, are too expensive to release immediately. Here is my list:
Eli (the most difficult decision facing the franchise - when to cut ties)
His contract pretty much dictates that he needs to stay on for next year. By then, the Giants should have his future replacement on the roster.
The Giants will have 30 million in cap space to play with. Here are the FAs of consequence:
So essentially there's 5 spots you need to fill with a new body, resign, or hope a young guy steps up
On top of that, IMO these positions need an upgrade:
LT, RG, RT, WR2, FS
Thats 11 positions that will need to be addressed with either FA dollars or draft picks. There's even more questions on top of that. Is 2018 Manning a superbowl caliber player? What to do about under performing, overpaid DEs? Will Odell return to form?
2-3 OL, 2 LB, a free safety, a rushing DE, and another corner.
Core players, Pugh is only slightly above average so I would not break the bank for him. Richburg has regressed since his rookie year and is JAG, would only sign if he' cheap. Most of those defenders you're stuck with including the extremely overpaid JPP and Vernon.
option than Richburg at this point, especially for what Richburg will want.
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| option than Richburg at this point, especially for what Richburg will want.
Pugh's versatility makes him valuable to the Giants.
There are a lot of potential cuts and maybe even a contract or two to re-work. We'll have plenty of money to retain Pugh and sign UFA's and our draft picks.
I honestly believe with some tweeks we can be competitive in 2018.
problem, not the solution. In 2018, play Flowers and Fluker at G, at least they have size...
Core players to me mean guys you build the future around. In this sense, you can't really include Manning. You want to begin building the team for the guy who will take over. Core players may also mean guys who the team must retain, who are not expendable. In this sense, it really shortens the list:
I got: OBJ, Shepard, Engram, Pugh (maybe), Harrison, Vernon, Jenkins, Apple (maybe), Collins
These are the guys who are solid to top tier and who probably can't be replaced due to age and skill level. I included Pugh, but even I believe he can be upgraded. Like it or not we are stuck with other players due to contract or draft status:
JPP, Richburg, Flowers (maybe), Ellison, Tomlinson
So these might constitute your core. It's not an awful group of players, but wise decisions need to be made in order to turn this team in the right direction. Particularly along the QB, O-line, RB, and LB corps.
The starting point is assuming Eli is qb at least next year and that currently, without evaluation, Webb is not a core guy.
On defense, most of the core guys have to be due to contract, and potential performance
- jpp, snacks, Vernon, Tomlinson, goodson, jackrabbit, Collins, Apple,
On offense there isnít much
- obj, Shepherd, engram, Pugh (sign him donít sign richburg), gallman
Despite the defense being a bit of a fraud the last 3 weeks... with a few tweaks - they arenít far from being good.
The offense has a long way to go- keys the rest of the year are giving players a shot to see if they can be part of the core.
- for this reason you play fluker, you move flowers to rt or guard, and give jones consistent reps- if one of them proves worthy- great.ó I would like to see more from roger Lewis , darkwa health wise, and see Davis Webb get some reps to further evaluate.
You are pretty in tune with things. Do you really see Gallman as a core player? He seems to have decent talent, but I feel like the RB position needs an upgrade in the worst way. He may be a decent complimentary back, but I don't see him being "the guy". Do you?
I also ask for Goodson. Nice player, but is he really irreplaceable?
Both are core type pieces .... that being said they arenít the type of players that prevent you from acquiring bpa at that positionó there are very few on any roster like that .
I guess its just the interpretation of "core". To me those are your guys that would be most difficult to replace. I like Gallman and Goodson, but I still believe the RB and LB units could use massive upgrades.
right now and give him a shot at LT. Richberg can walk. You don't pay top $ for a C. You also need to find out if Flowers can play RT, sooner rather than later.
If you have a LT and a RT, the rebuild all of a sudden becomes a lot easier.
I think you have to aim higher than just a "mehh" player at LT. That view has gotten us in this mess to begin with. Pugh is just a "meh" player at LT.
Really? He's having a terrible year.
Apple is young and talented if raw. You don't give up on that right away. Corey Webster struggled early as well. You gotta roll with Apple for a few years and see how he improves.
Pugh, Richburg, Gallman, Perkins are all marginal core players, but the reality is you have to keep some around because you really can't replace all of them immediately. I'm not saying pay Pugh and Richburg huge contracts, but I think they are better than what they have shown. Same for Perkins. End of last year he looked pretty good. Can't help but wonder if Solari and his system is a big part of the problem with the O-Line.
I mostly agree. You should try to keep Richburg and Pugh although they arent superstars. Not every player on the team will be an all pro. On Perkins, I don't know. I would attempt to completely upgrade the RB position and only keep one of Gallman or Perkins.
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| I mostly agree. You should try to keep Richburg and Pugh although they arent superstars. Not every player on the team will be an all pro. On Perkins, I don't know. I would attempt to completely upgrade the RB position and only keep one of Gallman or Perkins.
I don't have a problem at all with having them compete for 1 roster spot. Candidly, I can see a path to where the Giants have to choose between one of the QB's projected to come out and Barkley. That is where the decision on Eli comes in. The organization is at a huge crossroads.
I think you probably have to go QB, while you can still find very talented backs in the 2nd and 3rd round (example: Kareem Hunt). However, I would be extremely happy with Barkley. I have been waiting for the Giants to have a running game again for years. Barkley and Gallman would be great.
He's terrible and his uninspired play leads this group of underachievers. His example is rubbing off and he needs to go.
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| He's terrible and his uninspired play leads this group of underachievers. His example is rubbing off and he needs to go.
Yeah, but unfortunately cutting him prior to next season is a $22.75 million cap hit. $7.750 million of his salary is guaranteed. He will be a Giant in 2018 and probably 2019. Thus, I have him as core.