Is Eli Apple losing ground on the depth chart?

There's been some coverage of him complaining about it and how he was feeling singled out this morning.

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But I hated that pick since day 1

Looked sensational in preseason before the ankle injuries. He doesn't look right, he looks a step slow and doesn't have the technique to falll back on.

That said, he is not playing well, and needs to know it.

in his second year. He was always going to have his struggles. Corey Webster was another talented player who struggled early on. Let's give Apple time to develop. He is a young guy who is frustrated now, and needs coaches who believe in him.

Or do they just use the "His name is Eli and he's from Jersey,that's good enough for me" philosophy.

You don't think Apple has shown promise at all?

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say Apple was the right pick with Tunsil still on the board, however CB is a position that you always want to restock talent. Mediocre corners in this league can sink a team. I don't think the philosophy is wrong.

He has had a couple of bad moments (like most young DB) this year but I think BBI is overcritical of his play this year. The defense is not consistently pressuring the opposing QB and that will expose any defensive back.

Watching him play or reading his comments.

"Yeah, so I had 5 pass interference calls against me. I don't worry about it. Those 3 TDs against me were just lucky plays by the WR."

How can anyone think differently? He cannot cover anyone "clean"in man to man coverage. This team should be playing more zone in the secondary. Our poor man to man coverage is the primary reason why we don't get off the field on 3rd and long situations. Spags usually blitzes because our front four can't rush the passer for shit and then plays man defense. This defense hasn't worked all year.

but showed promise last year. The jury is still out but he has the physical tools.


Honestly, Apple is pretty far down my list of concerns at the moment.

And freakish skills according to the Empty Suit GM. As did all his draft picks post draft.

but Apple certainly had the measurables. The thing with measurables is that you measure them; there is nothing subjective there.

a lot of people tried to justify it by talking about his speed and size and that he could be "coached". He obviously can't be. He grabs and doesn't look at the ball. He's a bust.

was in a difficult situation that year because of how badly Tunsil messed up the draft. Tennessee and Chicago traded up ahead of us to get Conklin and Floyd. I don't know what Reese was offered, but it likely wasn't enough to get him to move down.

Apple also had the size to potentially play on the outside against big WRs. Hargreaves didn't. There were rumors that Tampa Bay in fact would have taken Apple.

The problem is that Apple still has the same ball location problems that were well known before he was drafted. It was Reese's job to ensure that those problems were correctable, especially for a top 10 pick.

I saw some posters mention it, but didn't catch it.

he was benched for the first three series of the game. According to McAdoo, it was something they planned on earlier in the week. Apple didn't like it and spoke out about how there are many problems, not just his play.

Here's the quote from McAdoo's Post-game presser.

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Q: You had CB Eli Apple on the bench for three series, what was your thinking there? A: We have a lot of guys who were rolling in and out of there. We want to see guys compete, and we’re confident in all our DBs.

and later...

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Q: Was CB Eli Apple on the bench for three series pre-planned? A: Yes. Q: Exactly three series? A: It was pre-planned.

So I guess the answer to your question is yes, Eli has lost ground on the depth chart.

In comment 13639817 Thunderstruck27 said:

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a lot of people tried to justify it by talking about his speed and size and that he could be "coached". He obviously can't be. He grabs and doesn't look at the ball. He's a bust.

Fans have no patience. It's 5 games into his second season.

I remember you guys calling Collins a bust his rookie year. Most fans are blithering idiots.

I sat next to an imbecile during a Ram game at Gients Stadium who told me Mark Haynes was a bum. Then another who trashed Mark Collins. A third who was all over Sehorn . Do you really want to write this guy off?

In comment 13639879 LakeGeorgeGiant said:

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In comment 13639817 Thunderstruck27 said: Quote: a lot of people tried to justify it by talking about his speed and size and that he could be "coached". He obviously can't be. He grabs and doesn't look at the ball. He's a bust. Fans have no patience. It's 5 games into his second season. I remember you guys calling Collins a bust his rookie year. Most fans are blithering idiots.

Look, I cannot comment with certainty on every position on the field. IE, I have a fan level opinion of the OL and the DL. However, I have a high level of expertise in the defensive backfield. This is what I can tell you...

1. I was one of the few people here who was telling everyone else here to give Collins some time. He had what it takes to be a solid safety in this league. The things that I saw from him in college (tackling, instincts, break on the ball, etc) were there. When he came to the Giants, he was thinking too much about his assignment and there was a delay in his reaction time. He was also trying to cover for some shitty LBs around him.

2. I did not watch Eli Apple in college. After we drafted him I spent a lot of time looking at as much video of him as I could. Immediately, I could see that he had some major issues. His footwork, positioning, and ball awareness just are not there. The first two can be taught but not this late in his football career. Ball awareness cannot be taught. The grabbing you are seeing is because he is out of position. He instinctively is using his hands to make up for the fact that he is out of position and the WR has beaten him. This situation is NOT going to turn around. The kid was fortunate enough to play for a top program in college and the lack of NFL talent playing against him did not expose his weaknesses to the degree that we are seeing it now. He is a solid backup CB in this league. Reese blew this one. In fact, his flaws are so obvious to me that I want to know who the fuck scouted him. I am sure there are dozens of better cover corners playing for smaller programs in the NCAA

In comment 13639996 RetroJint said:

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I sat next to an imbecile during a Ram game at Gients Stadium who told me Mark Haynes was a bum. Then another who trashed Mark Collins. A third who was all over Sehorn . Do you really want to write this guy off?

The 0-5 start is turning many fans into emo.

reminds me of DRC his first 3-4 years in the NFL.
Sounds like him too; lots of confidence and bravado, meh in tackling(mostly averse to it)and a holding call penalty waiting to happen(but he was better than EA in hiding some holds).
He needs to shut up and learn how to cover.