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B in ALB : 10/10/2017 7:38 am
Tonight's the night. Win and in. Tie and maybe in. But it looks good for the fellas to make the WC again.

Here's the breakdown.

If the U.S. beats Trinidad and Tobago
It qualifies for the 2018 World Cup by finishing in third place in the CONCACAF region.

If the U.S. ties Trinidad and Tobago -
The U.S. will almost certainly still qualify for the World Cup. The only way the U.S. could drop out of third place would be if Panama beats Costa Rica by eight goals or Honduras beats Mexico by 12 goals. In the unthinkable event that both those happened, a tie would eliminate the U.S. If one of them happened, a tie would put the U.S. into a playoff against either Australia or Syria in November.

If the U.S. loses to Trinidad and Tobago - then if Panama beats Costa Rica and Honduras beats Mexico, then the U.S. would be eliminated and miss out on the World Cup for the first time since 1986. If Panama and Honduras lose, the U.S. would still qualify in third place. And if Panama or Honduras win but the other ties or loses, then the U.S. would finish fourth and go into that Syria/Australia playoff.

Apparently the field in TnT was completely under water and the playing conditions will be awful tonight. The field is now surrounded by a huge moat if water. Big surprise there.
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RE: There will..  
dpinzow : 10/10/2017 10:05 pm : link
In comment 13642183 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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be a few notable countries that will miss the World Cup.

Netherlands is out. US is out.

Is Argentina out?


Messi saved Argentina. Chile is out so no Alexis Sanchez in the WC either
not only is this depressing  
hitdog42 : 10/10/2017 10:05 pm : link
but having to watch that pitiful display was a total waste of 2 hours. no effort, no purpose, lazy, Omar? really? that is what we went with?

spent the next 4 years figuring out how to put a respectable defense on the field.

just pathetic, awful, every bad word to describe it.
Gulati = Reese  
SHO'NUFF : 10/10/2017 10:06 pm : link
Arena = McAdoo
Klinnsman = Coughlin
Pulisic = OBJ
Bradley = JT Thomas
blaming klinsman is a cop out  
hitdog42 : 10/10/2017 10:06 pm : link
we lost to fcking trinidad. its on arena and the 14 players that laced it up tonight.... plain and simple.
Fuckity fuck fuck fuck  
OlyWABigBlue : 10/10/2017 10:07 pm : link
Too many players who just take up space. Poorly motivated, poorly coached. The US team had the talent but not the heart. Another nut punch in my sporting world.
RE: RE: haha FIFA is fucked  
SHO'NUFF : 10/10/2017 10:08 pm : link
In comment 13642201 dpinzow said:
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In comment 13642172 guitarguybs12 said:


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US WC ratings are going to be a shitshow



FIFA did fine before the US cared about soccer. I'll bet they're laughing their asses off


US have all kinds of foreigners that will watch their home teams.
Rebuild the team with the young guns  
nyjuggernaut2 : 10/10/2017 10:08 pm : link
Get Cameron Carter-Vickers some caps, along with Erik Palmer-Brown and Josh Perez. Hire a coach who thrives developing young talent...like Mauricio Pochetino.
Klinsmann..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/10/2017 10:09 pm : link
had a huge hand in the qualifying debacle. He was here for the horrendous start of qualifying. While Arena seemingly picked up the pieces, you never want to dig a hole like they did.

When you do that, you basically pin your hopes on having to win on a near unplayable field where I might be as fast as some of the guys out there.

Like Terps said - pin a lot of this on Gulati. He wanted JK so bad, got him, and then stuck with him far too long.

Not qualifying is just the fruit of those seeds that were sown.
RE: blaming klinsman is a cop out  
D-Rod : 10/10/2017 10:09 pm : link
In comment 13642210 hitdog42 said:
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we lost to fcking trinidad. its on arena and the 14 players that laced it up tonight.... plain and simple.


Exactly. We couldn't beat T&T in a game to go to the WC, can't say the results would have been all that different in the 2 games that Arenas didnt coach.
Completely Deserved  
Jeffrey : 10/10/2017 10:10 pm : link
From the coach through the players everyone must share the blame for this outcome. Arena was an interim and now it is time to rebuild everything. Consistently inconsistent is the only way to describe this program and team.
RE: blaming klinsman is a cop out  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/10/2017 10:11 pm : link
In comment 13642210 hitdog42 said:
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we lost to fcking trinidad. its on arena and the 14 players that laced it up tonight.... plain and simple.


I disagree because those last few games with JK actually counted. They waited entirely too long to drop the ax on him.
RE: RE: blaming klinsman is a cop out  
hitdog42 : 10/10/2017 10:11 pm : link
In comment 13642215 D-Rod said:
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In comment 13642210 hitdog42 said:


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we lost to fcking trinidad. its on arena and the 14 players that laced it up tonight.... plain and simple.



Exactly. We couldn't beat T&T in a game to go to the WC, can't say the results would have been all that different in the 2 games that Arenas didnt coach.


we had to tie... not even win... gutless... this game wasnt tactics it was effort --- if you cant get up for this game then take a fcking lap and dont come back in four years.
On the other hand  
OlyWABigBlue : 10/10/2017 10:14 pm : link
Chile and the Netherlands are far superior teams to the US and they'll be golfing too. But still, there was no excuse to be in a possible elimination spot on decision day and to shit the bed on decision day is a completely due to lack of heart. The conditions were the same for both teams. The US squad has some big decisions coming up, not the least of which is WTF to do about keeper going forward.
RE: Klinsmann was certainly the problem  
Kyle in NY : 10/10/2017 10:14 pm : link
In comment 13642204 Go Terps said:
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We had 8 matches to qualify because of the 2 that he threw away.

And that's on Gulati. Star struck asshole.


He was a problem, a big one. But not the only one. That is beyond evident now
Didn't see the game but not surprised  
Rick in Dallas : 10/10/2017 10:16 pm : link
This team has underperformed the last year. Defense is absolutely porous and the goaltending has been below past USA standards.
Midfield has not been able to connect with forwards on a consistent basis.
Bradley's play has been a huge disappointment the last 18 months. Pulisic is the future of USA soccer.. He was the one shining player during WC qualifying.
Team needs to be totally rebuilt over the next couple of years.
Don't confuse..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/10/2017 10:18 pm : link
a lack of heart with the inability to even execute basic cuts because of the poor field conditions.

Yes, the conditions were the same for both teams, but when you can't lean on your skill advantage because the field renders that moot, it isn't as easy as it sounds to just go out there and win.

Players were literally falling down on just basic changes of direction.
Absolutely hilarious that the Panama goal  
B in ALB : 10/10/2017 10:20 pm : link
Didn't even cross the goal line and the US is out of the WC.

That's CONCACAF.

It's like a nightmare.

Hope that asshole Gulati and these prima donnas have a great charter flight home tonight.

Can't beat Guatemala. Can't beat Trinidad and Tobago. Can't beat Honduras.

Billions of dollars spent on development, MLS, etc.

Fucking. Garbage.
RE: blaming klinsman is a cop out  
Mr. Bungle : 10/10/2017 10:20 pm : link
In comment 13642210 hitdog42 said:
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we lost to fcking trinidad. its on arena and the 14 players that laced it up tonight.... plain and simple.

Bingo. This was "Beat Trinidad and Tobago, go to the World Cup." And they utterly failed. Zero to do with Klinsmann. Can't blame him forever.
RE: Don't confuse..  
B in ALB : 10/10/2017 10:23 pm : link
In comment 13642225 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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a lack of heart with the inability to even execute basic cuts because of the poor field conditions.

Yes, the conditions were the same for both teams, but when you can't lean on your skill advantage because the field renders that moot, it isn't as easy as it sounds to just go out there and win.

Players were literally falling down on just basic changes of direction.


Sorry man. But I call bullshit.

They were listless, lazy, had no energy or urgency. The balls from Bradley and Acosta were horrific. Bradley ballooned multiple free kicks offering no chance for his teammates to connect.

Gonzales lazily played the fluke deflection in the first half. Like he didn't even try.

Yeah the field was shit.

But you can't lose that game with the WC on the line.

Absolutely pathetic, embarrassing and disgusting.
RE: RE: blaming klinsman is a cop out  
B in ALB : 10/10/2017 10:24 pm : link
In comment 13642227 Mr. Bungle said:
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In comment 13642210 hitdog42 said:


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we lost to fcking trinidad. its on arena and the 14 players that laced it up tonight.... plain and simple.


Bingo. This was "Beat Trinidad and Tobago, go to the World Cup." And they utterly failed. Zero to do with Klinsmann. Can't blame him forever.


Wrong. This was TIE Trinidad and Tobago and you're in. Fuck this team.
Fstman- I hear ya  
Kyle in NY : 10/10/2017 10:25 pm : link
But it's not good enough. Teams around the world have to play in garbage conditions all through qualifying. Not a good enough excuse
At least we have the Giants. Phew.  
B in ALB : 10/10/2017 10:26 pm : link











FUCK!!!
its going to take a while for this to fking be digested  
hitdog42 : 10/10/2017 10:30 pm : link
the world cup is maybe the greatest event in sports .... and these guys couldnt even put the EFFORT in to tie TRINIDAD!!!!!!!
add in the choice of Omar who is AWFUL.
At least Dempsey came in with urgency... these other guys... fkkk. Enjoy the MLS playoffs.... woo hoo.... yipppeeeeee.... FKKK

TIE TRINIDAD AND YOU CAN QUALIFY--- and you dont!!!!!!

RE: RE: RE: blaming klinsman is a cop out  
Mr. Bungle : 10/10/2017 10:41 pm : link
In comment 13642232 B in ALB said:
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In comment 13642227 Mr. Bungle said:


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In comment 13642210 hitdog42 said:


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we lost to fcking trinidad. its on arena and the 14 players that laced it up tonight.... plain and simple.


Bingo. This was "Beat Trinidad and Tobago, go to the World Cup." And they utterly failed. Zero to do with Klinsmann. Can't blame him forever.



Wrong. This was TIE Trinidad and Tobago and you're in. Fuck this team.

Well, I know that (as I said in my 10:01), but an aggressive, seize-the-moment attitude says, "Let's beat Trinidad!", not "Let's tie Trinidad!"
I agree..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/10/2017 10:44 pm : link
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Fstman- I hear ya
Kyle in NY : 10:25 pm : link : reply
But it's not good enough. Teams around the world have to play in garbage conditions all through qualifying. Not a good enough excuse


We shouldn't have been in the position that this was a must win in the first place. I'm not absolving them - when you don't beat T&T you don't deserve to go to the WC, but people need to understand that it will look a lot of times like guys aren't trying in conditions like that. The two T&T goals were results of Howard not being able to have footing to make strong dives. The balooned kicks were a result of slipping anytime force was used in an opposite direction.

And take soccer athletes who already are very finesse oriented and take their finesse away, and you will often see play like we did tonight.

It is easy to say they didn't have heart because you see guys running at half speed, but it wasn't lack of heart that was doing it.
Devastating loss  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/10/2017 10:45 pm : link
that was an embarrassing performance.
Not a big soccer fan..  
Sean : 10/10/2017 10:48 pm : link
But this feels like a horrific loss with massive consequences.
FMiC  
OlyWABigBlue : 10/10/2017 10:55 pm : link
The level of disinterest was not just this one game, but over the whole Hex. It was odd in that they could seemingly pour it on for a game and then go back to their lackluster ways and fuck up games they should have gotten points from. The USMNT should have never been in this position to start. The only upside I can see to all of this is that maybe, just maybe, the US Soccer Fed won't look at WCQ as a right, but something to be earned.

As far as conditions go, these are professionals, they should know how to change their game, positioning and delivery to factor for the conditions.

Lastly, on the comment of Ramon Torres of all people scoring the winner for Panama, as a longtime Sounders fan its not surprising. I'd give a nut to have him as a CB over Gonzales.
Meh. This team was totally uninspired.  
Maryland Giant : 10/10/2017 10:56 pm : link
They lacked creativity, talent, and organization. They turned into an OBJ like he e trick pony relying on Pulisic's individual brilliance to cart them.

A recipe for the disaster that unfolded.

Sad but true.
"OBJ like one trick pony"  
Maryland Giant : 10/10/2017 10:57 pm : link
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Carry them not cart.  
Maryland Giant : 10/10/2017 10:58 pm : link
Geez...my bad
Twellman kills them  
Nitro : 10/10/2017 10:59 pm : link
he's fuckin spot on
Link - ( New Window )
apparently the only road win the US  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/10/2017 11:00 pm : link
had was at St. Vincent and the Grenadines.

That's pitiful.
RE: Twellman kills them  
hitdog42 : 10/10/2017 11:05 pm : link
In comment 13642255 Nitro said:
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he's fuckin spot on Link - ( New Window )


thanks for posting. he is spot on... enough with the excuse making... enough with the fluff and bullsh%t. call it like it is.... a total embarrassment... and i love his comments on the "tough conditions"...
Belgium beat Bosnia on a cow pasture  
Nitro : 10/10/2017 11:07 pm : link
was a great mic drop line
They deserve all the criticism they get  
Go Terps : 10/10/2017 11:08 pm : link
The killer match was against Costa Rica in Harrison, imo. That's when the storm clouds became visible.
Something that's interesting...  
Go Terps : 10/10/2017 11:09 pm : link
MLS has been a boon for the other CONCACAF teams.
I'm sure there's US guys who play in the MLS  
Nitro : 10/10/2017 11:11 pm : link
than the retreads we trot out there.
took me the last 90 minutes to calm down  
TexasGmenFan : 10/10/2017 11:12 pm : link
this is among the most disappointing sports nights i can recall. the last time we missed a WC, i was 3 years old. have played soccer (and baseball) since i was 4.

this is completely and utterly inexcusable. i can fucking spit fire right now. CONCACAF has been set up for US/Mexico to go through every fucking time and somehow we couldn't get a result against a goddamn team that managed a -11 GD and 6 pts in the hex with EVERYTHING on the line? this entire outfit is systemically broken. i used to think it could get no worse than '98...i was brutally wrong.

a shit Giants season and we regain at least some semblance of hope again 9-10 months later. here? we are waiting 4 years just to get back to this point and ultimately at least 8 years between US world cup matches.

Gulati - OUT
Arena - OUT

gut the fucking system. this is pathetic beyond words.
the defenders on the U17 Us team  
hitdog42 : 10/10/2017 11:13 pm : link
are better then 3 of the 4 guys we trotted out there tonight.
Have been watching quite a bit of that and thank god those kids have a clue. its real soccer, not the sh%t these guys put out there.
In a sea of stupid things I've seen today, this takes the cake.  
guitarguybs12 : 10/10/2017 11:13 pm : link
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Jeff Carlisle‏
@JeffreyCarlisle
Gulati: You dont make wholesale changes on a ball being two inches wide or two inches in...Well look at everything. #usmnt
There is no feasible way Gulati can survive this  
Nitro : 10/10/2017 11:13 pm : link
is there?
But at the end of the day - this was the squad distribution tonight  
Nitro : 10/10/2017 11:15 pm : link
Dortmund (1), Stoke (1), Newcastle (1), Fulham (1), Hamburg (1), Liga MX (3), MLS (17).

There's a clear failure point here..
this was called  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/10/2017 11:18 pm : link
a goal for Panama. Just a complete joke.

Maybe if these corrupt Fifa scumbags put money into the game instead of their pockets, there would be goalline technology
https://twitter.com/JogaBonitoUSA/status/917927959687770112 - ( New Window )
Gulati is up for re-election (or not) in February  
Del Shofner : 10/10/2017 11:22 pm : link
at the USSF annual convention. He already has challengers this time, and I would be surprised if he is re-elected now - assuming he decides to run again, which he may not.
Del  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/10/2017 11:26 pm : link
who are the other people vying for the position?
RE: Del  
Del Shofner : 10/10/2017 11:46 pm : link
In comment 13642272 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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who are the other people vying for the position?


That i'm aware of so far, Steven Gans and possibly Eric Wynalda. Google "Sunil Gulati election" and you'll see articles about this.
thanks  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/10/2017 11:47 pm : link
I'll do that.
This loss is the result of a number of factors  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/10/2017 11:52 pm : link
And it's interesting that between the Twellman rant and the beIN postgame, you started to see this demise was a puzzle with multiple pieces, not just Klinsmann or Arena or Gulati.

We talked a few months back about how this was a transition cycle for the US, but this was just a bad mix of players who never gelled with poor leadership (Bradley was subtly thrown under the bus on the beIN postgame).

But underlying that was a Reese-like arrogance that US Soccer seemed intent on telling us how great MLS was instead of fixing the back four and other problems in the team.
Two issues that will need to be addressed in the coming months/years  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/11/2017 12:02 am : link
1. Pay to play has got to go. I think we all can agree on that.

2. Is what is good for MLS = what is good for US Soccer?
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