Nice bounce back games since Friday.
Was very emotional at the post game presser last night. I hope he's back. I think he does a great job 90% of the time and I don't think he's fully appreciated here.
So, does that mean he would do something stupid like that in the future?
Well, now it is dumb and dumber time. Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber you go out and do something like that .... AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!
also make terrible decisions based on gut, though. More often than not, relying on his binder and data is a good move. He's too reliant on it, but it's the right idea.
He's not without flaws, but he's probably better than most managers and does a great job with the bullpen which, for this team is important.
Odds are that if they part ways with Girardi, they'll end up with someone worse.
He did own up to it after the initial shock the day of. Joe is a good manager and if they don’t get to the summit this year it would be a shame if he didn’t have an opportunity to get there with these new young Turks. He deserves the chance because he is as key to their development at the major league level as anyone and he knows them, he understands them, and knows their capabilities. Joe needs to be back next year,
also make terrible decisions based on gut, though. More often than not, relying on his binder and data is a good move. He's too reliant on it, but it's the right idea.
He's not without flaws, but he's probably better than most managers and does a great job with the bullpen which, for this team is important.
Odds are that if they part ways with Girardi, they'll end up with someone worse.
Bringing in betances last night after kahnle was working in the pen was idiotic. Do or die and trying to appease betances
He's great with young guys. His weakness is his stupid binder and the fact that he has zero feel for a game and for his players.
I hate to be blunt but that's utter horse crap. He has plenty of feel for his players and had to deal with a lot of shit this year. Every regular besides Judge and Gardy missed at least a month this year (And Judge may as well have the way he hit from the All Star game till September). The way he managed the WC game was epic. He fucked up Friday big time(though I think he's still covering for his replay guy not getting him info fast enough) and yes he can be stiff in the way he manages by the #'s and he can gain and lose trust of relievers to quickly(not even getting Chad Green up last night). However the good outweighs the bad and those who want him out need to name a suitable replacement because the Yankees manager position is not a plug and play proposition. Its not like taking over the DBacks or the Rockies. You have a lot more shit to deal with.
He's great with young guys. His weakness is his stupid binder and the fact that he has zero feel for a game and for his players.
I hate to be blunt but that's utter horse crap. He has plenty of feel for his players and had to deal with a lot of shit this year. Every regular besides Judge and Gardy missed at least a month this year (And Judge may as well have the way he hit from the All Star game till September). The way he managed the WC game was epic. He fucked up Friday big time(though I think he's still covering for his replay guy not getting him info fast enough) and yes he can be stiff in the way he manages by the #'s and he can gain and lose trust of relievers to quickly(not even getting Chad Green up last night). However the good outweighs the bad and those who want him out need to name a suitable replacement because the Yankees manager position is not a plug and play proposition. Its not like taking over the DBacks or the Rockies. You have a lot more shit to deal with.
Look at some of the humps managing in the playoffs - Dusty, Farrell, etc.
That’s a pretty funny autocorrect lol.
I’ve always been a Girardi backer. I was pretty wound up after game 2 and succumbed to the ‘he has to go’ knee jerk reaction.
With some time to think back, I’m OK if he stays - but he could really use a bench coach and/or pitching coach to check his decisions a bit.
Torre was at his best when he had Zimmer next to him. Rob Thomson, Larry Rothschild, Tony Pena all seem like veteran, respected coaches...I don’t think we can really know if they’re co-signing every ‘binder’ move, or sometimes disagreeing and Joe won’t he’d their advice.
He has for the most part been pretty quick and decisive with the hook when it’s obvious a reliever doesn’t have it. The one glaring exception being leaving Chad Green in too long in game 2, when it seemed obvious he didn’t have it.
But as was posted by others - there are some lousy managers leading successful teams in MLB...not many I’d take over Girardi.
Who would you replace him with that would provide a seamless transition. Joe has been through the ups and downs with these guys and they are on the verge if not this year, which no one in their right mind predicted this, although it is clear they have tons of talent, of being one of the top teams in baseball. And this experience will only help to build on that.
Joe has kept this team in the hunt year in and year with a winning record and an aging roster and not nearly the talent he has now. Who better to guide them for the foreseeable future.
In the end, I'm mostly indifferent. There aren't very many better managers out there who are free. I would seriously consider bringing Buck back if it were possible. Otherwise, Girardi is fine.
Look at some of the humps managing in the playoffs - Dusty, Farrell, etc.
That’s a pretty funny autocorrect lol.
I’ve always been a Girardi backer. I was pretty wound up after game 2 and succumbed to the ‘he has to go’ knee jerk reaction.
With some time to think back, I’m OK if he stays - but he could really use a bench coach and/or pitching coach to check his decisions a bit.
Torre was at his best when he had Zimmer next to him. Rob Thomson, Larry Rothschild, Tony Pena all seem like veteran, respected coaches...I don’t think we can really know if they’re co-signing every ‘binder’ move, or sometimes disagreeing and Joe won’t he’d their advice.
He has for the most part been pretty quick and decisive with the hook when it’s obvious a reliever doesn’t have it. The one glaring exception being leaving Chad Green in too long in game 2, when it seemed obvious he didn’t have it.
But as was posted by others - there are some lousy managers leading successful teams in MLB...not many I’d take over Girardi.
I'm pretty much in the same boat as you in now tempering my emotions but I still will never understand the why. He had 2 appeals,it was the 6th inning & the umpires took over in the 7th.There was no need for video confirmation,just appeal, particularly since Sanchez heard the tip. Thompson is worthless-a good bench coach would know the rules,advise Girardi accordingly & all of this could have been avoided. But,Thompson was moved off as 3B coach because he sucked but he doesn't suck any less as a bench coach.Think Zimmer would have told Torre to appeal?
But now all of that is in the rear view mirror & only tomorrow matters! Let's Go Yankees!
RE: My problem was that he didn't own the mistake of the non-challenge. Â
So, does that mean he would do something stupid like that in the future?
Well, now it is dumb and dumber time. Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber you go out and do something like that .... AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!
He absolutely did own up to it the next day and said he's learned from it. So there's that.
I would take Girardi in a heartbeat as manager. Yes he screwed up on Friday, get over it. I think some Yankee fans are WAY spoiled and don't appreciate a good manager when you have one.
I would take Girardi in a heartbeat as manager. Yes he screwed up on Friday, get over it. I think some Yankee fans are WAY spoiled and don't appreciate a good manager when you have one.
Oh please. We don't need Mets fans coming on here to tell us freaking spoiled we are. Get lost, clown.
but overall I think he is a very good manager and this team would likely be worse off without him.
that said, there seems to be a growing sentiment that both sides would prefer a clean break after this season, so unless they win the WS my assumption is he will be gone.
He did own up to it after the initial shock the day of. Joe is a good manager and if they don’t get to the summit this year it would be a shame if he didn’t have an opportunity to get there with these new young Turks. He deserves the chance because he is as key to their development at the major league level as anyone and he knows them, he understands them, and knows their capabilities. Joe needs to be back next year,
I would take Girardi in a heartbeat as manager. Yes he screwed up on Friday, get over it. I think some Yankee fans are WAY spoiled and don't appreciate a good manager when you have one.
also make terrible decisions based on gut, though. More often than not, relying on his binder and data is a good move. He's too reliant on it, but it's the right idea.
He's not without flaws, but he's probably better than most managers and does a great job with the bullpen which, for this team is important.
Odds are that if they part ways with Girardi, they'll end up with someone worse.
Bringing in betances last night after kahnle was working in the pen was idiotic. Do or die and trying to appease betances
This is what sucks about being a Yankees fan. Most fans have no idea what they are talking about, but they have no problem spewing nonsense. Yeah, he brought in Betances to appease him. Not that we had a 4 run lead late and it was a good opportunity to get Betances right so he can help us this postseason.
I would take Girardi in a heartbeat as manager. Yes he screwed up on Friday, get over it. I think some Yankee fans are WAY spoiled and don't appreciate a good manager when you have one.
People can mock you, but you are right. NY fans in general are spoiled and reactionary. Girardi is a great manager(hes certainly not perfect) and we are lucky to have him. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.
I would take Girardi in a heartbeat as manager. Yes he screwed up on Friday, get over it. I think some Yankee fans are WAY spoiled and don't appreciate a good manager when you have one.
I would take Girardi in a heartbeat as manager. Yes he screwed up on Friday, get over it. I think some Yankee fans are WAY spoiled and don't appreciate a good manager when you have one.
People can mock you, but you are right. NY fans in general are spoiled and reactionary. Girardi is a great manager(hes certainly not perfect) and we are lucky to have him. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.
I'm really not sure how this is a NY thing. With emotions running high like the other night, in a game that big, you would be getting fan backlash in ANY market. We only pay attention to the NY teams but fans all over the country would have lost their minds in that situation.
I would take Girardi in a heartbeat as manager. Yes he screwed up on Friday, get over it. I think some Yankee fans are WAY spoiled and don't appreciate a good manager when you have one.
Oh please. We don't need Mets fans coming on here to tell us freaking spoiled we are. Get lost, clown.
whether you need it or not, some yankee fans are spoiled to the point where they expect all-stars at every position and a manager who makes all the right moves. So right back at ya nancy-boy!
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He's great with young guys. His weakness is his stupid binder and the fact that he has zero feel for a game and for his players.
I hate to be blunt but that's utter horse crap. He has plenty of feel for his players and had to deal with a lot of shit this year. Every regular besides Judge and Gardy missed at least a month this year (And Judge may as well have the way he hit from the All Star game till September). The way he managed the WC game was epic. He fucked up Friday big time(though I think he's still covering for his replay guy not getting him info fast enough) and yes he can be stiff in the way he manages by the #'s and he can gain and lose trust of relievers to quickly(not even getting Chad Green up last night). However the good outweighs the bad and those who want him out need to name a suitable replacement because the Yankees manager position is not a plug and play proposition. Its not like taking over the DBacks or the Rockies. You have a lot more shit to deal with.
Great post Stu.
I agree. Great post. He is a very good manager, who is thoughtful and smart. We are lucky to have him. Anyone who judges him based on Friday night is a postseason fan and has not seen a body of work over a decade that is much more meaningful. I am more afraid Girardi will leave us as opposed us leaving him.
I would take Girardi in a heartbeat as manager. Yes he screwed up on Friday, get over it. I think some Yankee fans are WAY spoiled and don't appreciate a good manager when you have one.
Oh please. We don't need Mets fans coming on here to tell us freaking spoiled we are. Get lost, clown.
whether you need it or not, some yankee fans are spoiled to the point where they expect all-stars at every position and a manager who makes all the right moves. So right back at ya nancy-boy!
Ah, yes. Mets fans coming on to Yankee threads to tell us how spoiled we are. Mets fans would NEVER question a managers decision or any of their players. After all, the Mets own the city now and everything is peaches and cream!
I could go down the list of players/managers that Mets fans have turned on but I'm sure you are aware of them. It's good to know the Mets fans are still thinking of us though! Thanks for stopping by.
someone with an amazing feel for the game who understands strategy, is prone to thinking outside the box that can sit beside him and give him advice from the gut all throughout the game that he can use or dismiss. Torre was a clueless manager until he put his ego aside, owned up to his limitations and allowed Zimmer to be his game manager. Once Zimmer left Torre's magic touch left with him.
The fact is that managing by the book can only get you so far in the playoffs, as will managing by gut, but it's those one or two pivotal moments in the game when the book needs to get thrown out the window that Girardi seems all too reliant on his binder that drives people crazy.
by Girardi remains the worst decision I have ever seen by a coach
But good, proven, coaches make bad, sometimes inexplicable decisions. Pete Caroll threw the ball at the end of the Super Bowl, Greg Popovich left Duncan on the bench at the end of the NBA Finals-- but you don't fire them for that.
If you do, it's just a rash decision that is punitive in nature. You fire a manager/coach because you think that he is not the right guy to lead the team going forward-- that is style is ill-suited to win, or ill-suited for the personnel.
Girardi has shown he is a good manager and can get this current personnel to perform above expectations. The non-challenge bears no indication of his ability to manage in the future-- it was nothing more than a one-off random occurrence and bone-headed decision.
If one wanted to argue that his thought process of not interrupting pitcher's rhythm points to his inability to manage pitchers, especially in relief, then he has years of evidence pointing to the contrary as he has been great dealing with the bullpen over the yeras.
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That game was one of Girardi's (or anybody else's) worst ever. Aside from the challenge, the CC decision after 1 earend run, 77 pitches and reting 12 of the last 13 in itself was mindboggling. Then ignoring Sanchez, and initially trying to deflect responsibility. Just a terrible day all around.
But all that said, I think it was a bad day by someone who by most accounts is a pretty good manager.
That doesn't make it "unfair" or "wrong" if they decide to go in a differnt direction. 10 years is a long time, sometimes a differnt voice is needed. Didn't Al Davis say 8 years or so was all any NFL HC should be in that seat?
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Aside from the challenge, the CC decision after 1 earend run, 77 pitches and reting 12 of the last 13 in itself was mindboggling.
I still don't have any problem with this. How many times have we seen CC cruise through 4 or 5 innings and then collapse in the 6th? Isn't that situation exactly what this bullpen was built for?
It didn't work out, but it was a perfectly sensible decision.
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Aside from the challenge, the CC decision after 1 earend run, 77 pitches and reting 12 of the last 13 in itself was mindboggling.
I still don't have any problem with this. How many times have we seen CC cruise through 4 or 5 innings and then collapse in the 6th? Isn't that situation exactly what this bullpen was built for?
It didn't work out, but it was a perfectly sensible decision.
by Girardi remains the worst decision I have ever seen by a coach
But good, proven, coaches make bad, sometimes inexplicable decisions. Pete Caroll threw the ball at the end of the Super Bowl, Greg Popovich left Duncan on the bench at the end of the NBA Finals-- but you don't fire them for that.
If you do, it's just a rash decision that is punitive in nature. You fire a manager/coach because you think that he is not the right guy to lead the team going forward-- that is style is ill-suited to win, or ill-suited for the personnel.
Girardi has shown he is a good manager and can get this current personnel to perform above expectations. The non-challenge bears no indication of his ability to manage in the future-- it was nothing more than a one-off random occurrence and bone-headed decision.
If one wanted to argue that his thought process of not interrupting pitcher's rhythm points to his inability to manage pitchers, especially in relief, then he has years of evidence pointing to the contrary as he has been great dealing with the bullpen over the yeras.
a lot of people want to see Girardi pay for that loss, without considering the probability that the Yankees end up doing worse with their next manager hire. They could just end up punishing themselves with a move like that.
I've heard it compared to Showalter's blunders in Seattle, but I think those people are discounting the obvious personality clashes that were going on at the time as the main reason why he was replaced.
that's perhaps the hardest decision a manager has to make-- when you have a pitcher that is performing well though you know he is prone to fall apart near that stage in the game with a completely loaded bullpen.
It's a decision that gets graded in hindsight. I haven't looked at the data, but I'm sure it's not pretty when you look at CC's performances over the last season or three when he faces batters for the 3rd time (I'm not sure where he was in the lineup when he was pulled).
Yeah, he was retiring batter after batter along for a handful of innings (outside the first where he was getting hit hard), but how much trust do you put into that without considering where he was at his pitch count?
The Yankees bullpen, on the other hand, has been phenomenal and has enough arms to handle th game the rest of the way.
He could have let CC in given the lead they had, but I can't knock him for the decision that i"m not even sure was wrong.
and realize a mistake was made. He's a very good manager and I don't want to see what someone less competent would do especially when it comes to grooming young talent.
In the end, I'm mostly indifferent. There aren't very many better managers out there who are free. I would seriously consider bringing Buck back if it were possible. Otherwise, Girardi is fine.
I agree. Never cared for him. Still don't. No one else out there
CC does implode quickly once past the sixth. We have all seen that
Green does need more rest than others to for his max stuff. We saw this from the first game post season to his second appearance
Betances is a coach killer and Girardi's patience with Bird, Judge, Headley and Sevy all paid off. Betances does not look like a confident guy and is a proven liability once men get on base.
As for mistakes...every single Yankee has made sub par performances and mistakes in the post season. Torreyes, Judge, Frazier, Casto, Gardy, Sevy. A whole bunch of them allowed the hit bat instance to even matter.
And if everybody watching never made a mistake they would be playing. We don't sign their paychecks. They did not deliberately try to hurt us so badly that we want their jobs.
If we carried the same mindset into work we would call for or own firing and everyone around us within two weeks. Some posters who call for firing at the drop of a hat could clean out General Motors in a month.
If you told me last September that we would be in the fifth game against baseballs best this year...I would have not believed it. And been very happy to hear it
Has overachieved mostly during his career as manager, but I don't think Joe has had a good season at all, in fact this season is probably his worst, but that has a lot to do with the amount of influx into the lineup and all the injuries.
So is Phil right in saying that Joe is not right for the reload, or was it just a transition year for the manager too? It is a good question and I am not sure I know the answer to be honest.
There is a lot to be said about whether you can truly upgrade the position, and how do his players feel and if you think that does not mean much or does not play then you are clueless and should just shut the fuck up.
Nine good seasons, 1 bad season, but is he right moving forward, that is a good and very tough question. We simply do not have enough information to be judges, we all have an opinion, and we have that right.
I have faith in the ownership and Cashman, who will be rehired for certain, that whatever decision they make it will be the right decision.
Joe made a horrible decision, he tried to defend it at first, like any of us would do, he now has realized what he did, seems to me the players may be rallying behind him though. I hope they win this series for Joe.
Georgia Roddy since the other night. I was pissed and far to harsh in my reaction. He's an excellent manager who made a mistake and sometimes doesn't seem to have a great feel for the game. That said, the Yankees could do much worse than Joe. Just look over the bridge to that absolute shitshow in Queens. Yuck.
Georgia Roddy since the other night. I was pissed and far to harsh in my reaction. He's an excellent manager who made a mistake and sometimes doesn't seem to have a great feel for the game. That said, the Yankees could do much worse than Joe. Just look over the bridge to that absolute shitshow in Queens. Yuck.
You should show more respect for the team in Queens. They own the city, remember? And their fans are so much more tolerant and level headed than Yankees fans...
Georgia Roddy since the other night. I was pissed and far to harsh in my reaction. He's an excellent manager who made a mistake and sometimes doesn't seem to have a great feel for the game. That said, the Yankees could do much worse than Joe. Just look over the bridge to that absolute shitshow in Queens. Yuck.
You should show more respect for the team in Queens. They own the city, remember? And their fans are so much more tolerant and level headed than Yankees fans...
Yup. Again, I overreacted. Sorry and thanks for calling me out. Their baseball compass is without question. I should just be happy to still be able to watch my team for once. It's usually the Mets dominating the playoffs and winning championships.
Georgia Roddy since the other night. I was pissed and far to harsh in my reaction. He's an excellent manager who made a mistake and sometimes doesn't seem to have a great feel for the game. That said, the Yankees could do much worse than Joe. Just look over the bridge to that absolute shitshow in Queens. Yuck.
Yeah, I'm in the same boat. Win or lose tomorrow night, I hope he stays and sees things through with this group. He won't find a better job than this one, and the Yankees likely won't find an upgrade either.
Joe is a good company man but also trotting Green out with seven run leads during the year was not smart. His lineups orders are off and not guiding and managing Judge during his slump by dropping him in the order was frustrating. He did sit Bird in favor of Headley at times.
Some people here say that a manager doesn't matter. To those then it should be irrelevant if Joe goes.
Well, now it is dumb and dumber time. Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber you go out and do something like that .... AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!
He's not without flaws, but he's probably better than most managers and does a great job with the bullpen which, for this team is important.
Odds are that if they part ways with Girardi, they'll end up with someone worse.
He's not without flaws, but he's probably better than most managers and does a great job with the bullpen which, for this team is important.
Odds are that if they part ways with Girardi, they'll end up with someone worse.
Bringing in betances last night after kahnle was working in the pen was idiotic. Do or die and trying to appease betances
I hate to be blunt but that's utter horse crap. He has plenty of feel for his players and had to deal with a lot of shit this year. Every regular besides Judge and Gardy missed at least a month this year (And Judge may as well have the way he hit from the All Star game till September). The way he managed the WC game was epic. He fucked up Friday big time(though I think he's still covering for his replay guy not getting him info fast enough) and yes he can be stiff in the way he manages by the #'s and he can gain and lose trust of relievers to quickly(not even getting Chad Green up last night). However the good outweighs the bad and those who want him out need to name a suitable replacement because the Yankees manager position is not a plug and play proposition. Its not like taking over the DBacks or the Rockies. You have a lot more shit to deal with.
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He's great with young guys. His weakness is his stupid binder and the fact that he has zero feel for a game and for his players.
I hate to be blunt but that's utter horse crap. He has plenty of feel for his players and had to deal with a lot of shit this year. Every regular besides Judge and Gardy missed at least a month this year (And Judge may as well have the way he hit from the All Star game till September). The way he managed the WC game was epic. He fucked up Friday big time(though I think he's still covering for his replay guy not getting him info fast enough) and yes he can be stiff in the way he manages by the #'s and he can gain and lose trust of relievers to quickly(not even getting Chad Green up last night). However the good outweighs the bad and those who want him out need to name a suitable replacement because the Yankees manager position is not a plug and play proposition. Its not like taking over the DBacks or the Rockies. You have a lot more shit to deal with.
Great post Stu.
That’s a pretty funny autocorrect lol.
I’ve always been a Girardi backer. I was pretty wound up after game 2 and succumbed to the ‘he has to go’ knee jerk reaction.
With some time to think back, I’m OK if he stays - but he could really use a bench coach and/or pitching coach to check his decisions a bit.
Torre was at his best when he had Zimmer next to him. Rob Thomson, Larry Rothschild, Tony Pena all seem like veteran, respected coaches...I don’t think we can really know if they’re co-signing every ‘binder’ move, or sometimes disagreeing and Joe won’t he’d their advice.
He has for the most part been pretty quick and decisive with the hook when it’s obvious a reliever doesn’t have it. The one glaring exception being leaving Chad Green in too long in game 2, when it seemed obvious he didn’t have it.
But as was posted by others - there are some lousy managers leading successful teams in MLB...not many I’d take over Girardi.
Joe has kept this team in the hunt year in and year with a winning record and an aging roster and not nearly the talent he has now. Who better to guide them for the foreseeable future.
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Look at some of the humps managing in the playoffs - Dusty, Farrell, etc.
That’s a pretty funny autocorrect lol.
I’ve always been a Girardi backer. I was pretty wound up after game 2 and succumbed to the ‘he has to go’ knee jerk reaction.
With some time to think back, I’m OK if he stays - but he could really use a bench coach and/or pitching coach to check his decisions a bit.
Torre was at his best when he had Zimmer next to him. Rob Thomson, Larry Rothschild, Tony Pena all seem like veteran, respected coaches...I don’t think we can really know if they’re co-signing every ‘binder’ move, or sometimes disagreeing and Joe won’t he’d their advice.
He has for the most part been pretty quick and decisive with the hook when it’s obvious a reliever doesn’t have it. The one glaring exception being leaving Chad Green in too long in game 2, when it seemed obvious he didn’t have it.
But as was posted by others - there are some lousy managers leading successful teams in MLB...not many I’d take over Girardi.
I'm pretty much in the same boat as you in now tempering my emotions but I still will never understand the why. He had 2 appeals,it was the 6th inning & the umpires took over in the 7th.There was no need for video confirmation,just appeal, particularly since Sanchez heard the tip. Thompson is worthless-a good bench coach would know the rules,advise Girardi accordingly & all of this could have been avoided. But,Thompson was moved off as 3B coach because he sucked but he doesn't suck any less as a bench coach.Think Zimmer would have told Torre to appeal?
But now all of that is in the rear view mirror & only tomorrow matters! Let's Go Yankees!
Well, now it is dumb and dumber time. Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber you go out and do something like that .... AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!
He absolutely did own up to it the next day and said he's learned from it. So there's that.
Oh please. We don't need Mets fans coming on here to tell us freaking spoiled we are. Get lost, clown.
that said, there seems to be a growing sentiment that both sides would prefer a clean break after this season, so unless they win the WS my assumption is he will be gone.
Like Showalter?
Shut up.
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also make terrible decisions based on gut, though. More often than not, relying on his binder and data is a good move. He's too reliant on it, but it's the right idea.
He's not without flaws, but he's probably better than most managers and does a great job with the bullpen which, for this team is important.
Odds are that if they part ways with Girardi, they'll end up with someone worse.
Bringing in betances last night after kahnle was working in the pen was idiotic. Do or die and trying to appease betances
This is what sucks about being a Yankees fan. Most fans have no idea what they are talking about, but they have no problem spewing nonsense. Yeah, he brought in Betances to appease him. Not that we had a 4 run lead late and it was a good opportunity to get Betances right so he can help us this postseason.
People can mock you, but you are right. NY fans in general are spoiled and reactionary. Girardi is a great manager(hes certainly not perfect) and we are lucky to have him. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.
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I would take Girardi in a heartbeat as manager. Yes he screwed up on Friday, get over it. I think some Yankee fans are WAY spoiled and don't appreciate a good manager when you have one.
Shut up.
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I would take Girardi in a heartbeat as manager. Yes he screwed up on Friday, get over it. I think some Yankee fans are WAY spoiled and don't appreciate a good manager when you have one.
People can mock you, but you are right. NY fans in general are spoiled and reactionary. Girardi is a great manager(hes certainly not perfect) and we are lucky to have him. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.
I'm really not sure how this is a NY thing. With emotions running high like the other night, in a game that big, you would be getting fan backlash in ANY market. We only pay attention to the NY teams but fans all over the country would have lost their minds in that situation.
But I guess it's just a NY thing.
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I would take Girardi in a heartbeat as manager. Yes he screwed up on Friday, get over it. I think some Yankee fans are WAY spoiled and don't appreciate a good manager when you have one.
Oh please. We don't need Mets fans coming on here to tell us freaking spoiled we are. Get lost, clown.
whether you need it or not, some yankee fans are spoiled to the point where they expect all-stars at every position and a manager who makes all the right moves. So right back at ya nancy-boy!
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He's great with young guys. His weakness is his stupid binder and the fact that he has zero feel for a game and for his players.
I hate to be blunt but that's utter horse crap. He has plenty of feel for his players and had to deal with a lot of shit this year. Every regular besides Judge and Gardy missed at least a month this year (And Judge may as well have the way he hit from the All Star game till September). The way he managed the WC game was epic. He fucked up Friday big time(though I think he's still covering for his replay guy not getting him info fast enough) and yes he can be stiff in the way he manages by the #'s and he can gain and lose trust of relievers to quickly(not even getting Chad Green up last night). However the good outweighs the bad and those who want him out need to name a suitable replacement because the Yankees manager position is not a plug and play proposition. Its not like taking over the DBacks or the Rockies. You have a lot more shit to deal with.
Great post Stu.
I agree. Great post. He is a very good manager, who is thoughtful and smart. We are lucky to have him. Anyone who judges him based on Friday night is a postseason fan and has not seen a body of work over a decade that is much more meaningful. I am more afraid Girardi will leave us as opposed us leaving him.
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I would take Girardi in a heartbeat as manager. Yes he screwed up on Friday, get over it. I think some Yankee fans are WAY spoiled and don't appreciate a good manager when you have one.
Oh please. We don't need Mets fans coming on here to tell us freaking spoiled we are. Get lost, clown.
whether you need it or not, some yankee fans are spoiled to the point where they expect all-stars at every position and a manager who makes all the right moves. So right back at ya nancy-boy!
Ah, yes. Mets fans coming on to Yankee threads to tell us how spoiled we are. Mets fans would NEVER question a managers decision or any of their players. After all, the Mets own the city now and everything is peaches and cream!
I could go down the list of players/managers that Mets fans have turned on but I'm sure you are aware of them. It's good to know the Mets fans are still thinking of us though! Thanks for stopping by.
The fact is that managing by the book can only get you so far in the playoffs, as will managing by gut, but it's those one or two pivotal moments in the game when the book needs to get thrown out the window that Girardi seems all too reliant on his binder that drives people crazy.
But good, proven, coaches make bad, sometimes inexplicable decisions. Pete Caroll threw the ball at the end of the Super Bowl, Greg Popovich left Duncan on the bench at the end of the NBA Finals-- but you don't fire them for that.
If you do, it's just a rash decision that is punitive in nature. You fire a manager/coach because you think that he is not the right guy to lead the team going forward-- that is style is ill-suited to win, or ill-suited for the personnel.
Girardi has shown he is a good manager and can get this current personnel to perform above expectations. The non-challenge bears no indication of his ability to manage in the future-- it was nothing more than a one-off random occurrence and bone-headed decision.
If one wanted to argue that his thought process of not interrupting pitcher's rhythm points to his inability to manage pitchers, especially in relief, then he has years of evidence pointing to the contrary as he has been great dealing with the bullpen over the yeras.
That game was one of Girardi's (or anybody else's) worst ever. Aside from the challenge, the CC decision after 1 earend run, 77 pitches and reting 12 of the last 13 in itself was mindboggling. Then ignoring Sanchez, and initially trying to deflect responsibility. Just a terrible day all around.
But all that said, I think it was a bad day by someone who by most accounts is a pretty good manager.
That doesn't make it "unfair" or "wrong" if they decide to go in a differnt direction. 10 years is a long time, sometimes a differnt voice is needed. Didn't Al Davis say 8 years or so was all any NFL HC should be in that seat?
I still don't have any problem with this. How many times have we seen CC cruise through 4 or 5 innings and then collapse in the 6th? Isn't that situation exactly what this bullpen was built for?
It didn't work out, but it was a perfectly sensible decision.
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Aside from the challenge, the CC decision after 1 earend run, 77 pitches and reting 12 of the last 13 in itself was mindboggling.
I still don't have any problem with this. How many times have we seen CC cruise through 4 or 5 innings and then collapse in the 6th? Isn't that situation exactly what this bullpen was built for?
It didn't work out, but it was a perfectly sensible decision.
I'll agree to disagree.
But good, proven, coaches make bad, sometimes inexplicable decisions. Pete Caroll threw the ball at the end of the Super Bowl, Greg Popovich left Duncan on the bench at the end of the NBA Finals-- but you don't fire them for that.
If you do, it's just a rash decision that is punitive in nature. You fire a manager/coach because you think that he is not the right guy to lead the team going forward-- that is style is ill-suited to win, or ill-suited for the personnel.
Girardi has shown he is a good manager and can get this current personnel to perform above expectations. The non-challenge bears no indication of his ability to manage in the future-- it was nothing more than a one-off random occurrence and bone-headed decision.
If one wanted to argue that his thought process of not interrupting pitcher's rhythm points to his inability to manage pitchers, especially in relief, then he has years of evidence pointing to the contrary as he has been great dealing with the bullpen over the yeras.
Well said, IMO.
I've heard it compared to Showalter's blunders in Seattle, but I think those people are discounting the obvious personality clashes that were going on at the time as the main reason why he was replaced.
I thought down 0-2 we were dead.
Very happy to see Girardi redeemed.
It's a decision that gets graded in hindsight. I haven't looked at the data, but I'm sure it's not pretty when you look at CC's performances over the last season or three when he faces batters for the 3rd time (I'm not sure where he was in the lineup when he was pulled).
Yeah, he was retiring batter after batter along for a handful of innings (outside the first where he was getting hit hard), but how much trust do you put into that without considering where he was at his pitch count?
The Yankees bullpen, on the other hand, has been phenomenal and has enough arms to handle th game the rest of the way.
He could have let CC in given the lead they had, but I can't knock him for the decision that i"m not even sure was wrong.
I agree. Never cared for him. Still don't. No one else out there
So winning game 2 means we still win game 3 and 4?
All the rest are understandable:
CC does implode quickly once past the sixth. We have all seen that
Green does need more rest than others to for his max stuff. We saw this from the first game post season to his second appearance
Betances is a coach killer and Girardi's patience with Bird, Judge, Headley and Sevy all paid off. Betances does not look like a confident guy and is a proven liability once men get on base.
As for mistakes...every single Yankee has made sub par performances and mistakes in the post season. Torreyes, Judge, Frazier, Casto, Gardy, Sevy. A whole bunch of them allowed the hit bat instance to even matter.
And if everybody watching never made a mistake they would be playing. We don't sign their paychecks. They did not deliberately try to hurt us so badly that we want their jobs.
If we carried the same mindset into work we would call for or own firing and everyone around us within two weeks. Some posters who call for firing at the drop of a hat could clean out General Motors in a month.
If you told me last September that we would be in the fifth game against baseballs best this year...I would have not believed it. And been very happy to hear it
So is Phil right in saying that Joe is not right for the reload, or was it just a transition year for the manager too? It is a good question and I am not sure I know the answer to be honest.
There is a lot to be said about whether you can truly upgrade the position, and how do his players feel and if you think that does not mean much or does not play then you are clueless and should just shut the fuck up.
Nine good seasons, 1 bad season, but is he right moving forward, that is a good and very tough question. We simply do not have enough information to be judges, we all have an opinion, and we have that right.
I have faith in the ownership and Cashman, who will be rehired for certain, that whatever decision they make it will be the right decision.
Joe made a horrible decision, he tried to defend it at first, like any of us would do, he now has realized what he did, seems to me the players may be rallying behind him though. I hope they win this series for Joe.
You should show more respect for the team in Queens. They own the city, remember? And their fans are so much more tolerant and level headed than Yankees fans...
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Georgia Roddy since the other night. I was pissed and far to harsh in my reaction. He's an excellent manager who made a mistake and sometimes doesn't seem to have a great feel for the game. That said, the Yankees could do much worse than Joe. Just look over the bridge to that absolute shitshow in Queens. Yuck.
You should show more respect for the team in Queens. They own the city, remember? And their fans are so much more tolerant and level headed than Yankees fans...
Yup. Again, I overreacted. Sorry and thanks for calling me out. Their baseball compass is without question. I should just be happy to still be able to watch my team for once. It's usually the Mets dominating the playoffs and winning championships.
Yeah, I'm in the same boat. Win or lose tomorrow night, I hope he stays and sees things through with this group. He won't find a better job than this one, and the Yankees likely won't find an upgrade either.
Some people here say that a manager doesn't matter. To those then it should be irrelevant if Joe goes.
Does Cashman and Joe have a good relationship?