Am I the only one on here that thinks we could be good next year? We are going to get an extremely high draft pick. Barkley anyone? Draft and sign OLine in FA. Vikings managed to help their OLine in one season. We can do it too! If we come in next year with a better OLine and a combo of Barkley and Gallman, our offense could drastically improve.
I know Reese hasn’t been the best, but it is not time to blow this thing up. Manning is only 37 next year. We could get another 2-3 good years from him. He just needs a running game to setup play-action. I refuse to believe we took that big of a step back from last year. “You're never as good as everyone tells you when you win, and you're never as bad as they say when you lose.”
I'm a fan of bringing back Pugh and signing another big name OL in FA. And then drafting Barkley. Use the draft for pure talent acquisition. Use FA to plug the OL holes.
And say what you will about Reese. The Giants have been a mediocre team since 2008. 2011 was a gift from the Gods...that was a mediocre team dragged to a championship by a QB. Does he get credit...certainly. But really...this team has been blah for 10 years. Last year was luck and being free of injuries until the end.
And say what you will about Reese. The Giants have been a mediocre team since 2008. 2011 was a gift from the Gods...that was a mediocre team dragged to a championship by a QB. Does he get credit...certainly. But really...this team has been blah for 10 years. Last year was luck and being free of injuries until the end.
That’s true, but a change could set us back a few years to learn new system. We don’t have time for that with Eli. Window is closing, but there’s no reason we can’t play for one more super bowl before Eli goes out.
I think if this roster is tweaked and healthy under the right coach, this team is a Super Bowl Caliber team with not a single rebuilding year to suffer through!
But we need to know, before the draft, what we have on the OL. If not, we cannot move forward. We've ignored this stuff for too long...my God, that is why we are where we are. You have to build your football team from the inside out not the other way around.
And its okay to say Eli's end is near. It's true- the guy is 36 years old. It would be dumb to pass on a franchise qb...
And its okay to say Eli's end is near. It's true- the guy is 36 years old. It would be dumb to pass on a franchise qb...
I just said he could play in any system...The Giants WILL draft a QB if they are in position to do so.
And its okay to say Eli's end is near. It's true- the guy is 36 years old. It would be dumb to pass on a franchise qb...
We could have a decent QB in Webb. Won’t know until he gets a chance.
Despite the horrors so far this year, the team could easily be 3-2 if a couple of plays go differently.
The Giants could absolutely have a good season next year. That said, they're going nowhere in the long run unless this franchise fixes the way it evaluates talent.
If the wheels completely come off...you HAVE to clean house. If they are 0-7 at the bye with little fight...I wonder if you think about sending McAdoo away as see if a change in leadership on the coaching staff makes a difference.
You guys are nuts if you can't see that we are more than just a couple of players away from being the team we should have been this year....
And yet, you still have confidence in the guy who got us in this mess in the first place.....unbelievable....
If the wheels completely come off...you HAVE to clean house. If they are 0-7 at the bye with little fight...I wonder if you think about sending McAdoo away as see if a change in leadership on the coaching staff makes a difference.
If the wheels completely come off...you HAVE to clean house. If they are 0-7 at the bye with little fight...I wonder if you think about sending McAdoo away as see if a change in leadership on the coaching staff makes a difference.
I'll go one step further and say the run was actually supposed to happen LAST year, and would have if McAdoo had been able to keep continuity on offense from the year before, rather than let it fall off a cliff.
You guys are nuts if you can't see that we are more than just a couple of players away from being the team we should have been this year....
And yet, you still have confidence in the guy who got us in this mess in the first place.....unbelievable....
What do you suggest? Blowing it up and wasting Eli’s last 2-3 years? To what? Suck and get high draft picks? I’m sick of sucking.
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Reese had had 6 seasons to fix the OL, and we are back at square one, yet, he is going to fix it overnight?
You guys are nuts if you can't see that we are more than just a couple of players away from being the team we should have been this year....
And yet, you still have confidence in the guy who got us in this mess in the first place.....unbelievable....
. Not sure what you are watching, but we could easily be 3-2 right now. Yes our OLine sucks. Yes Reese didn’t do anything to fix it. He gambled and it didn’t pay off. With the salary cap, it’s impossoble to be strong everyhwere. It’s a small line between 0-5 and 4-1.
What do you suggest? Blowing it up and wasting Eli’s last 2-3 years? To what? Suck and get high draft picks? I’m sick of sucking.
We could very easily been 8-8 last year. Eli doesn't have 2-3 years left with this team. Giants may have a golden opportunity to take another franchise QB. If they can get that, being awful for one year would have been worth it.
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Reese had had 6 seasons to fix the OL, and we are back at square one, yet, he is going to fix it overnight?
You guys are nuts if you can't see that we are more than just a couple of players away from being the team we should have been this year....
And yet, you still have confidence in the guy who got us in this mess in the first place.....unbelievable....
. Not sure what you are watching, but we could easily be 3-2 right now. Yes our OLine sucks. Yes Reese didn’t do anything to fix it. He gambled and it didn’t pay off. With the salary cap, it’s impossoble to be strong everyhwere. It’s a small line between 0-5 and 4-1.
What do you suggest? Blowing it up and wasting Eli’s last 2-3 years? To what? Suck and get high draft picks? I’m sick of sucking.
We could very easily been 8-8 last year. Eli doesn't have 2-3 years left with this team. Giants may have a golden opportunity to take another franchise QB. If they can get that, being awful for one year would have been worth it.
the giants will be drafting top 10 (likely top 5) this season - they need to know if he's got a chance to be "the guy" or they need to look elsewhere
either way these QBs may be tough to pass up on ... if Webb shows enough the Giants could also trade down and rebuild the roster with more 2/3rd rounders as teams overpay to move up
TL;DR - at some point, Play Webb.
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Reese had had 6 seasons to fix the OL, and we are back at square one, yet, he is going to fix it overnight?
You guys are nuts if you can't see that we are more than just a couple of players away from being the team we should have been this year....
And yet, you still have confidence in the guy who got us in this mess in the first place.....unbelievable....
. Not sure what you are watching, but we could easily be 3-2 right now. Yes our OLine sucks. Yes Reese didn’t do anything to fix it. He gambled and it didn’t pay off. With the salary cap, it’s impossoble to be strong everyhwere. It’s a small line between 0-5 and 4-1.
What do you suggest? Blowing it up and wasting Eli’s last 2-3 years? To what? Suck and get high draft picks? I’m sick of sucking.
We could very easily been 8-8 last year. Eli doesn't have 2-3 years left with this team. Giants may have a golden opportunity to take another franchise QB. If they can get that, being awful for one year would have been worth it.
. How do we know Webb isn’t that guy? We could get a generational player in Barkley that could drastically help us next year with Eli and possibly for the next 10 years with Webb.
How do we know? Well maybe get him a couple of starts this year. But he went in the third round of a mediocre QB draft for a reason.
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Reese had had 6 seasons to fix the OL, and we are back at square one, yet, he is going to fix it overnight?
You guys are nuts if you can't see that we are more than just a couple of players away from being the team we should have been this year....
And yet, you still have confidence in the guy who got us in this mess in the first place.....unbelievable....
. Not sure what you are watching, but we could easily be 3-2 right now. Yes our OLine sucks. Yes Reese didn’t do anything to fix it. He gambled and it didn’t pay off. With the salary cap, it’s impossoble to be strong everyhwere. It’s a small line between 0-5 and 4-1.
What do you suggest? Blowing it up and wasting Eli’s last 2-3 years? To what? Suck and get high draft picks? I’m sick of sucking.
We could very easily been 8-8 last year. Eli doesn't have 2-3 years left with this team. Giants may have a golden opportunity to take another franchise QB. If they can get that, being awful for one year would have been worth it.
. How do we know Webb isn’t that guy? We could get a generational player in Barkley that could drastically help us next year with Eli and possibly for the next 10 years with Webb.
How do we know? Well maybe get him a couple of starts this year. But he went in the third round of a mediocre QB draft for a reason.
The team needs to blow up the OL, the front office, and the coaching staff. The Giants need to take the long view, draft a franchise QB, and build for the future.
The team needs to blow up the OL, the front office, and the coaching staff. The Giants need to take the long view, draft a franchise QB, and build for the future.
We need OL help but you of all people should remember how a RB can impact an entire offense and make an OL look good. How was the Giants running game before they traded for Rob Carpenter? How did it look before Gallman replaced Perkins?
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But behind this OL he won't get out of the backfield.
The team needs to blow up the OL, the front office, and the coaching staff. The Giants need to take the long view, draft a franchise QB, and build for the future.
We need OL help but you of all people should remember how a RB can impact an entire offense and make an OL look good. How was the Giants running game before they traded for Rob Carpenter? How did it look before Gallman replaced Perkins?
I am Rob Carpenter and it's not the same situation.
If you have a chance to take a franchise QB you take one, even if you took a QB the previous year. If the Giants end up picking out of the top 3 that's a different decision, but at this point it looks like they'll be in the top 3.
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But behind this OL he won't get out of the backfield.
The team needs to blow up the OL, the front office, and the coaching staff. The Giants need to take the long view, draft a franchise QB, and build for the future.
We need OL help but you of all people should remember how a RB can impact an entire offense and make an OL look good. How was the Giants running game before they traded for Rob Carpenter? How did it look before Gallman replaced Perkins?
I am Rob Carpenter and it's not the same situation.
If you have a chance to take a franchise QB you take one, even if you took a QB the previous year. If the Giants end up picking out of the top 3 that's a different decision, but at this point it looks like they'll be in the top 3.
That you Rob. You always were a smart player.
First, I think it's only fair to decide where the problems lie. Are we really that bad a team on paper? Maybe you think Coach McAdoo isn't the problem, and he's struggling with a bad set of players.
Or maybe you think the coach is the problem. His scheme sucks, the team isn't prepared, whatever.
It takes a special kind of attitude to believe it's ALL bad, particularly considering the perceptions we had around here just six weeks ago.
I personally think the coaching needs to get fixed. I feel like if we had Coach Belichick we'd be in contention for first place. Now we're not going to get him, but if you're in the "fire McAdoo club" you probably believe it's likely we'll find a better coach out there, or why would you support firing him?
So, if you accept that a better coach is on his way here, you ought to feel optimistic about next year. A better coach can impact the current players in great ways. Better coaching can lead to improved execution. It can lead to greater growth of the players currently on the roster.
It takes a special kind of negativity to believe that a better coach won't get anything better out of these players, and the only way toward contention is to get rid of all the players AND all the coaches.
Fix the execution (I blame the coaches) and you will fix the problems. We have talent on paper that most analysts feel is good enough to compete for a SB.
I know an argument could easily be made that "we went 11-5 with this coach last year, we could do so again" but I think it would be a big mistake to try this again with the same guy and a lot of the same players next year.
That's not to say we have to treat 2018 as a total throwaway - but if the front office mentality is "let's just get healthy and give this another go next season," it will be a big mistake.
This is what teams like the Mets do. It doesn't work.The Giants have been broken since mid-2012 and it's obvious that all of the hole plugging and re-tooling isn't the answer.
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But behind this OL he won't get out of the backfield.
The team needs to blow up the OL, the front office, and the coaching staff. The Giants need to take the long view, draft a franchise QB, and build for the future.
We need OL help but you of all people should remember how a RB can impact an entire offense and make an OL look good. How was the Giants running game before they traded for Rob Carpenter? How did it look before Gallman replaced Perkins?
I am Rob Carpenter and it's not the same situation.
If you have a chance to take a franchise QB you take one, even if you took a QB the previous year. If the Giants end up picking out of the top 3 that's a different decision, but at this point it looks like they'll be in the top 3.
Id always take the qb over the rb. With that said a good rb helps the ol. Always has. Good rbs gain yards when the play breaks down.
I don't think he lost the team then, but I'd be shocked if he didn't lose a lot of them after Sunday, when he kept his ass on the sideline instead of going out to Beckham at any point.
That's a far greater sin as a HC than his petty digs at Eli -- no player should respect a coach that won't be there even to that small level for the best player on the team in a moment like that, because if he ain't there for him? He's sure as hell not going to be for you.