If Reese is going to be fired at end of season, doesn’t it make sense to fire him by mid-Novembver and get a new personnel team in place and up running for the offseason.
Do we want Reese’s team to be possibly evaluating our qb of the future. Do we want to hire a guy that won’t step into our building until mid January?? If we continue to be winless, and it is clear we are going to have to make an important decision (like whether we draft a QB in top 5) I think the smart move is to do the inevitable sooner rather than later so that we can be well prepared for this draft with a team other than the one drafting for us most recently, who has made a mess of things.
The bad draft picks, mediocre FA signings, and waste of the last 7 years of Eli's career.
Thank you...good luck in your next job.
The Giants can then get a head start on finding the next GM, and he can then evaluate everything that's in place before the season ends.
YES!
Dave Gettleman!
He's worked in the organization, has experience and success as a GM, and is currently not employed.
Start with him, and get the process rolling.
If so what is the plan for the GM and HC?
That is the question ownership must decide ... call it a day see of Eli wants to go to Jax for a 1st can Reese and Bob and get Webb some reps to see where he stands going to the draft
That should be incidental to the entire conversation. Even if you have a really good team, it's HARD to win the Super Bowl. The best team doesn't even win it most times now - or get there.
The big factor in everything is the most important player's age - Eli - they need to start grooming another QB to take over, otherwise you'll be treading water.
Whether that's Webb or a guy from the upcoming draft.
And make it a priority to fix the OL, because you need to be able to control the LOS, then draft best available.
Whether it's Reese or someone else, that's what they need to do.
I know, Chip is a terrible choice, all he did in Philly is win 20 games his first two seasons. Who is your choice?
Bill Bellichick has said countless times he finds it astonishing that Chip is not a head coach, but I guess you, Racer, know more than BB.
Why would you want Reese to make a draft pick knowing you were going to fire him after he makes it, at least in part, because of his draft picks. Seems like the opposite of when you should fire him.
it's one of those simply accepted things I will never understand.
there are around 256 draft picks. You can't get scouts to physically or even via tape scout 400 - 500 players (250 of whom will be drafted) in 6 months, plus attend the bowl games, senior bowls, and combine?
I find that hard to believe.
Reese is a figurehead, just like Gettleman would be. I won't go as far as calling him a yes man, but the Mara's run this team.
That's usually in like February.........
They you can fire the scouts too, and let someone new hire then entire staff.
Because this just isn't about Reese, right? Aren't our scouts to blame? Remember, I think Reese makes the first pick on what he sees, but then relies on the reports to draft afterwards............
Now you all finally agree to what has been so obvious for so long?
Now you all finally agree to what has been so obvious for so long?
You're admitting to opening up dupe accounts to post bullshit? AMF!
Now you all finally agree to what has been so obvious for so long?
Can't wait till the next banning
Yes, that is obviously what this is about getting a pound of flesh of a person I don’t even know. Or maybe it’s about what I said, seeing if we can get a team together before say like February or March when the draft is in April.
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Let's fire Reese now so we can all get our pound of flesh and immediate satisfaction. Of course the Giants will have to limit their choices to candidates that are currently unemployed, but it's certainly a fair trade-off.
Yes, that is obviously what this is about getting a pound of flesh of a person I don’t even know. Or maybe it’s about what I said, seeing if we can get a team together before say like February or March when the draft is in April.
You have to at least agree to the fact that if they fired JR and replaced him with another GM, they would be severely limiting their list of candidates.
Why hire a less-qualified person just to get them in earlier?
It just doesn't make sense.
If the best we can do is John Dorsey I'd rather not fire Reese. I don't think he comes close to the best we could do, though.
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Than John Dorsey???
If the best we can do is John Dorsey I'd rather not fire Reese. I don't think he comes close to the best we could do, though.
His reputation is that he is one of the best evaluators and scouts of talent in the business. I think the guy who scouted Aaron Rodgers, Clay Matthews, Tyreke Hill among countless others deserves tons of consideration.
Yup, Gettleman is the guy.
He had some success in Carolina, a super bowl appearance recently.
He's def atleast in the top 3 and an easy favorite.
I would sign off on the decision. Buy me personally I would keep Reese.
Dorsey was let go and Chiefs fans breathed a sigh of relief for reasons that might sound awfully familiar around here - claims that he stuck with his own draft picks for too long, and wasn't seeing eye to eye with the coaching staff on talent acquisition. He was lucky to have inherited a very talented team from Pioli.
Dorsey was let go and Chiefs fans breathed a sigh of relief for reasons that might sound awfully familiar around here - claims that he stuck with his own draft picks for too long, and wasn't seeing eye to eye with the coaching staff on talent acquisition. He was lucky to have inherited a very talented team from Pioli.
Many teams passed on Aaron Rodgers. He also drafted Kareem Hunt, Tyreke Hill, Marcus peters, Travis Kelce.
I believe the chiefs have five players from the Pioli era on their team now. They have had a winning record every year he was there with three double digit winning seasons. They are at the moment the best team in the NFL and he was in charge of bringing everyone in for this year’s team. I don’t know, who else is better than him that is out there.
This team doesn’t have 0-5 talent. This is a team almost everyone picked to go to the playoffs. The coaching staff has failed here. Not the GM
I just don't see the Mara's pulling the trigger but after
this comedy of error's you know damn well we were expected
to get back to the playoffs .
A good number of people had us winning it all and I think
that has much to do with Eli and big games .
This team doesn’t have 0-5 talent. This is a team almost everyone picked to go to the playoffs. The coaching staff has failed here. Not the GM
5 losing seasons out of six. Through two different coaching regimes. And the problem is the coaching.?
This team doesn’t have 0-5 talent. This is a team almost everyone picked to go to the playoffs. The coaching staff has failed here. Not the GM
You can keep beating that drum, but he put this offensive line together and that offensive line has destroyed this team for 5 years now. Last year was a fluke, the defense played way above their talent level and they won nearly all close games.
The coaches arent the reason the offensive line blows. Thats all on Jerry Reese and Marc Ross. They have had 5 years to fix this line and havent done it.
Why would you want Reese to make a draft pick knowing you were going to fire him after he makes it, at least in part, because of his draft picks. Seems like the opposite of when you should fire him.
it's one of those simply accepted things I will never understand.
there are around 256 draft picks. You can't get scouts to physically or even via tape scout 400 - 500 players (250 of whom will be drafted) in 6 months, plus attend the bowl games, senior bowls, and combine?
I find that hard to believe.
Just an FYI, there are exactly 256 draft picks every year (barring a draft pick being revoked from the Patriots for whatever the cheating infraction du jour is). Seven full rounds, plus exactly 32 compensatory picks.
Here's how it works for the Patriots:
Step 1: have Bill Belichick as head coach
Step 2: have Tom Brady as quarterback
Step 3: get Tom Brady to take below market value on his contract to keep $6-10MM of cap room above what other teams with established franchise QBs have
Step 4: have Ernie Adams coordinate the next competitive advantage
You think hiring New England's deputy can pull that off?
I just don't see the Mara's pulling the trigger but after
this comedy of error's you know damn well we were expected
to get back to the playoffs .
A good number of people had us winning it all and I think
that has much to do with Eli and big games .
It's not about faith in the scouting department, per se; it's about the fact that you can't assemble a new scouting department in October.
This isn't rocket science, folks. Even if you want a complete housecleaning, you have to recognize that the viable replacements are all currently gainfully employed.
Take it for what it's worth, just passing it along.
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in our scouting Department good Lord I have seen enough .
I just don't see the Mara's pulling the trigger but after
this comedy of error's you know damn well we were expected
to get back to the playoffs .
A good number of people had us winning it all and I think
that has much to do with Eli and big games .
It's not about faith in the scouting department, per se; it's about the fact that you can't assemble a new scouting department in October.
This isn't rocket science, folks. Even if you want a complete housecleaning, you have to recognize that the viable replacements are all currently gainfully employed.
You’re right it isn’t rocket science. You are not going to fire every scout when you get a new Gm anyway, you bring in a new GM and he decides after spending time with him who he wants and who he doesn’t want. That process is much easier if it starts now.
LOL!!!!!!
That's what the Bills did. And yeah, a lot of fans were losing their minds about it, but it made sense -- you either fire the GM way before the draft, or right after.
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in our scouting Department good Lord I have seen enough .
I just don't see the Mara's pulling the trigger but after
this comedy of error's you know damn well we were expected
to get back to the playoffs .
A good number of people had us winning it all and I think
that has much to do with Eli and big games .
It's not about faith in the scouting department, per se; it's about the fact that you can't assemble a new scouting department in October.
This isn't rocket science, folks. Even if you want a complete housecleaning, you have to recognize that the viable replacements are all currently gainfully employed.
You’re right it isn’t rocket science. You are not going to fire every scout when you get a new Gm anyway, you bring in a new GM and he decides after spending time with him who he wants and who he doesn’t want. That process is much easier if it starts now.
Except that the top GM candidates are already employed and you're not going to handcuff yourself with fewer scouts just for punitive purposes. The replacement scouts are also currently employed. This isn't the sort of staffing shift you can pull off midseason.
So you're just going to settle for a GM candidate that's already available? You have your heart set on Gettleman? Fine, but the reality is, a full replacement search (including Rooney Rule) is still required, and due diligence is still in the Giants' best interest. Firing Reese now is purely a punitive move and is myopic at best.
TL;DR: it's not going to happen. And if by some remote possibility it does, Marc Ross will be elevated on an interim basis. Be careful what you wish for.
Agreed. This upcoming offseason is THE most pivotal offseason I can remember ever! Clean house, this team isn't doing anything in the next 2-3 years if they keep what they have......