Just wondering about opinions: is McAdoo flat out bad as a coach or is he somebody who is overwhelmed and could become better with more time or experience?
So far, he's refused to make changes to his approach, either in personnel packages, playcalling responsibilities, or the like. Do you think he would improve if he made some adjustments, or do you think he's just not head coach material?
It's very hard for me to say Mac has done any of those things well. He's stubbornly stuck with a personnel grouping and never solved the teams that throw a Cover 2 at him. He talked about not having a FB last year, so he was given one this year and lined up in shotgun on 3rd and short repeatedly.
I thought he was an excellent in-game coach last year, but it looks more and more like he simply benefitted from minimizing mistakes by the offense, punting and having the D hold teams. When the D can't hold teams, that plan doesn't work and he's not adapting it very well.
Not even.
Thus far, there's no reason to believe that McAdoo possesses what must be rare traits required to be a good coach.
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last year.
Not even.
As to why? FMiC sums it up quite nicely above.
For instance, today he said "That's all I have for you on the matter" five different times (at least -- I stopped reading) in regards to DRC. I feel like better coaches who excel with the media (Steve Kerr, for one) would state his refusal to talk about the subject with an elusive combination of wit, civility, and absoluteness when the question is asked a second time. Great coaches who have prickly reputations would shut that shit down in no uncertain terms as well. Can you imagine Popovich having to say "I'm not talking about that" 5 times? He'd leave reporters crying after just once.
A solid leader has their finger on the pulse of the team and knows when to step in.
He is reacting to the environment, instead of dictating the environment.
X and O's are great but I great coach motivates and know what to say at the right times. He obviously is lacking in that area.
What about McAdoo qualifies him as a position coach at this point? Because he coached Aaron Rodgers?
The offense under him as HC has inexplicably become one of the very worst in the league two years running despite having a solid QB and good WR talent.
He wasn't a good candidate, wasn't a good choice, and now is proving he's not a good Head Coach.
How is that looking?
Last year the one hit wonder defense carried this team to a one and done debacle inty he playoffs that is better known for the shirtless wonders on a boat and before the game. He had that team ill prepared for that game and thew Giants have not won since.
This guy is not the answer and needs to go. Reese should have been gone when ownership desired changes after 2015. Now Reese should definitely be gone and why would any new Gm want to be saddled with this guy?
I guess he could have success elsewhere, but he should be terminated at seasons end. The wheels are already coming off.
The Giants, with the exception of last year which I think was a fluke and not a sign of continued success, have sucked since 2013. How much time should this guy get? He is presiding over the worst Giants season in a long time. I think this team wins at most three games. The wheels are already coming off with the DRC stuff today. This is going to hit rock bottom real soon.
It's very hard for me to say Mac has done any of those things well. He's stubbornly stuck with a personnel grouping and never solved the teams that throw a Cover 2 at him. He talked about not having a FB last year, so he was given one this year and lined up in shotgun on 3rd and short repeatedly.
I thought he was an excellent in-game coach last year, but it looks more and more like he simply benefitted from minimizing mistakes by the offense, punting and having the D hold teams. When the D can't hold teams, that plan doesn't work and he's not adapting it very well.
Agree with all of this, and I was a big McAdoo backer.
Whoever the next head coach is, I hope it's someone who is:
1. A people manager
2. A game manager
Those two tasks are a full time job. The head coach is the guy that should be recognizing a game situation and screaming things like "Run the fucking ball" or "Stop blitzing" to his coordinators over the headset. Let the coordinators provide the systems and call the plays.
It is usually not wise to fire a coach after two yers...
It is usually not wise to fire a coach after two yers...
Really? I think it's usually not proven to be unwise.
Think of the head coaches who've shown enough of their ass to be fired after one or two seasons. The list of those who've ultimately proved to be good coaches elsewhere is... brief.
Winning cures everything.
Not saying McAdoo will become Belichick, or even Coughlin, but he'll likely get a chance to grow into a better head coach.
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a good coach is one who can adapt to different strategies by countering them with adjustments. One who knows when to push guys and when to lay off. One who knows that a season is fluid and takes a lot of twists and turns.
It's very hard for me to say Mac has done any of those things well. He's stubbornly stuck with a personnel grouping and never solved the teams that throw a Cover 2 at him. He talked about not having a FB last year, so he was given one this year and lined up in shotgun on 3rd and short repeatedly.
I thought he was an excellent in-game coach last year, but it looks more and more like he simply benefitted from minimizing mistakes by the offense, punting and having the D hold teams. When the D can't hold teams, that plan doesn't work and he's not adapting it very well.
Agree with all of this, and I was a big McAdoo backer.
Whoever the next head coach is, I hope it's someone who is:
1. A people manager
2. A game manager
Those two tasks are a full time job. The head coach is the guy that should be recognizing a game situation and screaming things like "Run the fucking ball" or "Stop blitzing" to his coordinators over the headset. Let the coordinators provide the systems and call the plays.
I said this offseason that our 11-4 record was somewhat a mirage. That it benefitted greatly from some real lucky plays in a few games we won (IE: 1st Dallas game Williams brain fart of not going out of bounds as time ran out) that easily could have been losses if they did not happen. I know luck plays a part in this game but some of those games we saw an inordinate amount of fluky shit go our way.
I also felt his playcalling sucked last year also, that he played it too close to the vest way too many times and never went for the throat. Now the excuse for him doing that is a sound one "the O-Line stincks and we can't risk it when we have a lead", and damn if for the most part it worked but I truly believe when you look at last season completely we went 11-4 despite ourselves and an easy schedule helped
So here we sit one year later and after a draft and an FA period under our belt, we have yet again to see anything done to fix that major problem. Add in a Coach whose errors last year got masked greatly and whose stubbornness refuses to see a change in how he does things is needed and you end up where we are at this point.
Lets not kid ourselves this is a shitty team but yet this team has some of the leagues top 10 players at their position:
OBJ
Collins
Jackrabbit
Snacks
Vernon
Eli
That is a strong base that should never be 0-5 with a loss to the freaking Chargers. IMO that 0-5 falls directly on the coaching staff. We are losing games due to shitty calls at key points, to poor game mgmt, to undisciplined play, to ill-prepared players, these are all indicators of lousy coaching. What makes it worse and much more identifiable that it's the Coaching staff is that it's not from one group. We have seen ST's lose us a game, Defense unable to make stops come crunch time, Offense unable to generate any offense.
It's a systematic failure across the whole spectrum of this team and that lies at the fault of the FO and Coaching Staff. I say blow it the hell up As soon as logically possible.
Maybe if Reese had given McAdoo a competent OL, his offense would have been less restricted by formation, and more effective. And he still went 11-5 as a rookie HC.
His offense was pretty darn effective when he was the OC -- back when the D couldn't stop anyone or hold leads. The year Eli threw 6 TDs against NO, and Brees threw 7 'cause there was NO defense.
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And is STILL terrible with the media. Remember what Coughlin's reputation was before 2007? How he was with the media (just behind Hitler, I believe it was). And how many times the fans here called for his head? The Giants also had bad timing on Sean Payton.
Belicheck actually turned the Browns around from what they were before he got there. He took them to the playoffs in 1994. People act as if he was an utter failure there.
The coach should be analytical, thoughtful leader, not getting into impotent dick measuring contests with players.
Get him the fuck out of here!
Maybe if Reese had given McAdoo a competent OL, his offense would have been less restricted by formation, and more effective. And he still went 11-5 as a rookie HC.
His offense was pretty darn effective when he was the OC -- back when the D couldn't stop anyone or hold leads. The year Eli threw 6 TDs against NO, and Brees threw 7 'cause there was NO defense.
Spags is failing this year, still with plenty of talent. The team is 29th in defensive DVOA. He's no one's genius.
McAdoo might be a decent OC, but he clearly isn't a good HC and he definitely can't handle being being HC + OC.
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when he had crap to work with on Defense. Then they got Vernon, Jenkins, Snacks, and Collins blossomed. All of the sudden, Spags is a genius again.
Maybe if Reese had given McAdoo a competent OL, his offense would have been less restricted by formation, and more effective. And he still went 11-5 as a rookie HC.
His offense was pretty darn effective when he was the OC -- back when the D couldn't stop anyone or hold leads. The year Eli threw 6 TDs against NO, and Brees threw 7 'cause there was NO defense.
Spags is failing this year, still with plenty of talent. The team is 29th in defensive DVOA. He's no one's genius.
McAdoo might be a decent OC, but he clearly isn't a good HC and he definitely can't handle being being HC + OC.
*27th, not 29th.
Heck there is even a 2 point conversion chart.
So I think Mac does not know how to manage a game and run the offense.
Two Point Conversion Chart - ( New Window )
And oh yeah, 0-6 since the stupid boat trip!!!!!
but FMiC has laid out exactly why he is not a good one here currently and shows no signs of becoming one.
Let McAdoo learn somewhere else.
The better question is will he? I'm thinking not, but mostly because the NFL is a bad place to learn on the job. People are impatient and don't want to suffer while a coach learns on the job.
If he is going to have a chance, the Giants is one of the best organizations for that chance, because they seem to be one of the more patient orgs. Also, the history of losing out on great young coaches is ever present in their mind, so they aren't as likely to be reactionary.
1) What was he like at his best?
2) What was he like at his worst?
The truth is that he probably lies somewhere in between, but is there a trend that supports him getting better?
1) Last year, the close wins point towards a skill at game management, although it is trending downwards. Is it all on the coaching? No, but there are a few tendencies that point to this not improving over time (runs to the outside on short yardage, not controlling the clock last week or putting people in the best place to succeed).
2) I think we are seeing the worst. I suppose it can be worse than this, but we are very close to that. It looks like this is trending downwards as well.
Based on the above, I can't see him turning around and being a good coach. This week will show a lot if they pull off the win, but I don't see it happening.
I understand they're 0-5, but the main problem appears to be the roster. As much as I've defended Jerry Reese, some of the problems now are the same problems at the end of TC's era and the main common link is the GM.
I understand they're 0-5, but the main problem appears to be the roster. As much as I've defended Jerry Reese, some of the problems now are the same problems at the end of TC's era and the main common link is the GM.
Watching the last three games this season (Phi, TB, LA Chargers) makes me think that he can't coach.
And almost all the games last season were not exactly an offensive explosion.
No doubt, the main problem is the roster. He just seems not to listen and/or put people where they have the best chance to succeed, especially on offense. As an offensive coach, this is a worrying sign.