from SI...
I don't follow college ball that much but these comments don't exactly scream franchise QB...
I know there has been a lot of debate on BBI whether to draft a QB, assuming we get a very high draft pick, but my preference would be to grab Barkley and run, pun intended...
we spent a pretty high pick on Webb and the Giant coaches seem to like him (insert joke about Giant coaches here)...
the top OT in the drafts don't warrant a top 2 or 3 pick, again assuming we have a top 2 or 3 pick...
alternatively, I'd look to trade down a few spots and pick up some extra picks...
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At this time in 2007 Brian Brohm and Andre Woodson were top 10 picks in mock drafts.
So if the QBs aren't that good and there are no ER or OT with a top 5 grade, who exactly is going to trade up and what are they going to give?
Obviously a hypothetical
At this time in 2007 Brian Brohm and Andre Woodson were top 10 picks in mock drafts.
Agreed, we are way too early in the process
As I have can see the Giants drafting anywhere from #3 to #15 next spring I'm just watching the prospects play for the rest of the year and then form an opinion.
He's not a slam dunk, but whom is?
I wouldn't put him in the Luck category, but his athleticism is certainly impressive with that arm. He's demonstrated he steps up in big games as well.
Rosen has the goods as well, but the off the field stuff reminds me of some other guys who have failed when they got the money and were in a big city. Still the talent is there along with Allen and others.
Maybe you're right. I'm definitely not a scouting expert, but judging by one mock draft a year ago this time:
Deshone Kizer #1 pick
Brad Kaaya #4
DeShaun Watson #7
Trubisky not even in the 1st round (went #2)
Mahomes not even in the 1st round (went 10th)
Kizer went in the 2nd
Kaaya went in the 6th
One not linked from bleacher report:
Kizer #1
Trubisky #3
Kaaya #8
How were they so wrong on Kaaya?
USA Today mock in October 2016
Kizer #2
Kaaya #4
No Mahomes in any of them and he went 10th, most didn't have Trubisky and he went 2nd
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It's definitely something to consider. Minkah Fitzpatrick is another top guy who they may want to snag for FS.
SFO is going to go all in on Cousins in FA. (FA will also see Smith and maybe even Brees in it, if not more vet QBs who still have some left.)
Raiders, Bears, Bucs, Titans, and Colts all have their long term QBs.
Cleveland will take a QB. The Chargers may be around us and will likely consider it. Maybe Cincy?
Denver, Arizona, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, and Jacksonville will all likely have to trade up significantly to get up into top QB range.
If the Giants want one of these guys (and they still very likely will), they're still going to end up in good position to get one.
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the 6-10 range, Derwin James would be someone I could see the Giants being extremely high on. Guy is an absolute freak with incredible ball skills. Him and Collins would be an amazing duo.
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It's definitely something to consider. Minkah Fitzpatrick is another top guy who they may want to snag for FS.
Fitzpatrick's a Jersey kid (St. Peter's Prep, Jersey City) and was showing this kind of talent in high school
I have always thought USC and Notre Dame QBs tend to get overrated by the media, mostly because they play on national TV frequently, and usually play behind great offensive lines.
To me, though he looks good in college, Darnold could follow along with Sanchez, Kessler, Leinart, Marinovich, ....even Carson Palmer to some degree has disappointed.
Darnold may be great, but if Webb impresses the team (and I believe he was off to a good start) hopefully they decide to use this draft to improve the team infrastructure (Oline and/or defense).
Darnold does not look like a top pick now, any suggestion of this is based on pre-seasons rankings which are meaningless. The guys has 9 Ints already, and isn't even in the top 10 in passing.
Ok fine. But some players are safer picks than others. You have more of an idea with some players than others. My God.
As far as the Giants go, I would trade down then look for O-line help or maybe LB.
I'm just not sure on Richburg yet. I think he's a good center when healthy and he's shown he has the goods. But his play as of late is troublesome.
Jon, I respect your opinion. Do you believe that one of those 3 are significantly better than Webb? If so, it's a no brainer, but from everything I've seen/heard/read, Webb may be just as good.
Political, too.
Kaepernick was a 2nd round pick, so he really doesn't fit the context of this conversation.
This is the 2nd time (maybe more) that you've made this exact same point. Repetition does not equal accuracy.
That doesn't mean there will be an OL who justifies the pick, depending on how high they're drafting. Besides, drafting for need rather than talent is a good way to guarantee long-term mediocrity.
I'm just not sure on Richburg yet. I think he's a good center when healthy and he's shown he has the goods. But his play as of late is troublesome.
This is what I hope they do. Pugh and Flowers should be our tackles of the future. Maybe re-signing Fluker wouldn't be a bad idea either. Maybe a trade back in the first round and take Quenton Nelson.
Doesnt mean they are HOFers but this is clearly the best QB class since 2004
What about Big Bens character.? Or Marinos Or Favres ?
Ill take any of those 3. Choir boys dont necessarily make good QBs
Unless there's something I'be missed, I haven't seen anything that puts Rosen's character in question.
So he thinks the NCAA student/athlete model is shit. Who doesnt?
I'm still a fan of Webb and have high hopes for him. Are these guys all better talents than he is? Would love to hear the side by side comparisons.
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but if you've got Darnold, Rosen, Rudolph sitting there while you're on the clock, you've got an opportunity to potentially set the franchise up for the next ten years and continue building.
Jon, I respect your opinion. Do you believe that one of those 3 are significantly better than Webb? If so, it's a no brainer, but from everything I've seen/heard/read, Webb may be just as good.
Tom, by draft time I think we'll have a definitive yes for all three, and perhaps more. Webb has shown some promise and requisite NFL tools, but blue chip is blue chip.
As far as the Giants go, I would trade down then look for O-line help or maybe LB.
He doesn't have the arm Brees has.
Don't agree. Bright guy. In strict football terms, he's very comparable to Eli.
Rosen
Rudolph
Jackson
Scary taking a QB high? Sure but the real question is how many top QBs were not taken high? What are the odds of finding a top 10 QB in this league beyond the first round? It happens on occasion but the success rate is extremely low.
So, if you are too scared to take a chance on a guy you feel good about in the top of the first round, then you are in the wrong business.
If the Giants are sold on taking a QB my personal ranking of them goes
Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Mason Rudolph
Josh Rosen
Josh Allen can play. He can straight up ball ala Carson Wentz but his supporting cast is absolutely DREADFUL. Last year when he had Tanner Gentry (WR who had a nice showing for the Bears last week) he had a reliable guy tht he used to light defenses up. This season his WRs could catch a cold naked in a snow storm. Its also cemented by the fact that while his numbers are down, scouts arent taking him out of the first round.
Some will be surprised with Lamar Jackson being my #2 but the thing is that not since Vick has a QB been this absolutely transcendent with his athletic ability. RG3, Newton, Manziel, Mariota, etc all pale in comparison to what Jackson can do with his legs. People have questions about his this accuracy but he has made strides as a pocket passer each year under Bobby Petrino (who the Falcons wanted to bring in to coach up Vick but Vick got arrested). Jackson has shown me enough to where Im not only confident in his ability as a QB but I think he has great upside as a passer as he already goes through progressions well, hes gotten better at reading defenses, and hes got amazing arm strength to make all the throws.
However I think the Giants have proved that they will win some games which could push them out of QB and Saquon Barkley range. At that point the guys Im looking at are QUENTON NELSON, MINKAH FITZPATRICK, CONNOR WILLIAMS, and (a darkhorse pick that I just love on tape) BRADLEY CHUBB.
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1. Darnold
2. Mayfield
3. Jackson
4. Rosen
5. J. Allen
Seriously.
The problem is potentially having to pay two high end contracts to safeties on their second deals, etc.