Family has had season tickets since 1948.
I have attended virtually all home games since the early 1960s.
Something took place today I don't every recall happening.
With about 5 minutes left on the gameclock, and any chance at a Giants victory gone, the Seattle fans simply took over the entire stadium.
The chant was very loud and came from every corner of the stadium. SEA followed by others shouting HAWKS. On and on it went. Here we are in our home stadium, and the visiting teams fans have taken over the stadium.
Every Giants fan still at the game had to listen to it.
Every Giants player and coach had to listen to it.
Every Giants Front Office staff and owners had to listen to it.
Though it was 5 minutes on the gameclock, the chants went on for about 15-20 minutes of actual time before the game clock reached zero.
It was embarrassing. It was humbling. It was gut wrenching.
It hurt. It really hurt.
Hire a true football man as President of football operations. No Mara’s in the FO. Let that guy hire a GM and coach and run don’t walk away from football decisions other than final approval for any huge money FA deals.
This team has been an beyond hard to watch for years. Even last year it was all defense and specials. Wins are great but it was fools gold
3-4 wins should be w enough but they’ve grown very arrogant IMO.
The notion that the fan noise is piped into Quest field, is delusional.
Our team, well ... something has been missing for a couple years now. We are not getting the most of the players we have, players aren't developing fast enough, mistakes are common, and playmakers aren't making plays.
Now its pride, now its the sober look in the mirror, now it's completing the rebuild. Reese is one issue. He really hits on some guys, but isn't finding the depth players we need. We are missing on players taken in rounds 2-5. That can't work, and it should have been fixed years ago. Loyalty is good, but winning is better.
McAdoo is another question entirely, and I think his story is linked to Reese. If Reese is gone, McAdoo will likely go as well. We will see.
The Philadelphia Eagle fans will come to that game in the bus loads ( now especially that they are doing good and that the Giants suck) and will fill that stadium with Eagles chants. This was nothing.
The Seahawks fans are supposedly across the country. What is going to happen when the best team in the NFC, especially a division rival, is going to come from less than 100 miles away? A lot live in the same state.
The 2012 ravens game is the one that comes to mind for me as well when I think about when things started going south. I was in Rochelle, IL watching in some podunk bar with my gf and her dad and Uncle at the time. The Dad and Uncle were diehard Packers fans. They still had a bitter taste in their mouth from the championship game the prior season. But they were very polite to me as I was their guest and dating the ones daughter. I remember trying to defend the Giants to them as well as show my football IQ. They were airing their thoughts about how we were more lucky then good. As this conversation was taking place it was getting later in the game and the ravens were starting to assert themselves. Then Flaaco throws a fucking jump ball prayer down the sideline to Torrey Smith and at the very least the DB should have knocked the ball down. Yet it somehow goes right through his hands into smiths for like a 60 yd completetion.
I remember thinking the rest of the night and following weeks that maybe they were right. We were just lucky and unable to be consistently good. I mean as defending super bowl champs we shouldn’t have been struggling to try and eek into the playoffs. And ever since then it has seemed like we were never a formidable team again. Only lucky sometimes like last years 11-5 smoke and mirror season.
That game marked the beginning of the bad times in my mind.
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I was there. You’re 100% right.
This game for a number of reasons really hit home it was a
punch in the gut the chants at the end were sickening they panned across the stadium to rub it in though they couldn't be bothered with a number of replays CBS is a bag of garbage terrible telecast with an idiot like Lofton spewing out
garbage ...
I mean, that's 12 years to be on a bandwagon so it's not like they just came and went.
Good post. Happens every home game at which the home team is getting beat.
. It’s called micro management. Plenty of owners don’t place a family member in the FO. Since this this franchise has a history of bad things happening when they get involved it’s an issue.
But you are a big McAdoo fan. So enjoy this year. Your deserve it
Those division home games might sound like away games
Large , metropolitan area. There are bound to be 5K fans of teams like the Seahawks, comprised mostly of front-runners , who came on board during their recent run of success. I've sat through it, too. I had Phil Simms night ruined for me by a couple of obnoxious Cowboy fans. There is no remedy , especially now with the online ticket exchanges . It's only gotten worse.
As for Mara, he'd rather have the seat filled by an opposing fan rather than have it remain empty. Parking and concession receipts .
I personally still have my own rule that I don't sell my seats to opposing fans. Even if it costs me money, because I'm a bad businessman, but to me I can't do it. And I used to get pissed at other fans that did so. However, the PSLs changed things. There are finances at play here and many fans want to get their money back. Generally speaking, you do so by marking up the tix for opposing fans. I get it. Of course, in a bad season, everyone is dumping their tix, so the market is flooded and you are selling for 20 cents on the dollar. But still, you are making a dent.
I've also said this before on BBI. Since the new Stadium opened, I have not had the same group of people sitting in front or behind me. Since 2010. In the old Giants Stadium, since I started going in 1987, it was the same group of guys, week in and week out. They were all there since 1976. My uncle and cousin, who had tickets since the 50s, were there at the start in 1976 too. Once the PSLs came into play, that was gone.
And with technology, it's so much easier to sell and buy tickets. You have stubhub, the NFL ticket exchange, etc. It used to be that you had to know a guy, or look for the guys on Route 17 holding up "I need tickets" signs. That stuff is long gone. I'd suspect if that was around in the 1980s, we'd see more fans from other teams. But since that wasn't around in the 1980s, you would see more empty seats than now.
All in all, it is what it is. The other team fans will take over the stadium late. I'm curious to see what happens in the Rams game since their fans don't give a shit either.
Large , metropolitan area. There are bound to be 5K fans of teams like the Seahawks, comprised mostly of front-runners , who came on board during their recent run of success. I've sat through it, too. I had Phil Simms night ruined for me by a couple of obnoxious Cowboy fans. There is no remedy , especially now with the online ticket exchanges . It's only gotten worse.
As for Mara, he'd rather have the seat filled by an opposing fan rather than have it remain empty. Parking and concession receipts .
Spot on! With Ticket Exchange, Stubhub and similar sites getting tickets has never been easier. I went to Tampa this year and it was more like a home game. They had to play music over the loud speaker to drown out the Big Blue chants. And that was for an 0-4 team.
Absolutely... I sold my tickets. The PSL price was ridiculous but I paid it. There will be games or years like this when it just makes more sense to sell some of the games and do something else with your Sunday.
to the other poster who said the people who sold the tickers are "part of the problem". No... the problem is still the team. The problem is also that there are millions of Giants' fans in the area who also did not step up to buy the tickets. The opposing teams' fans (although fewer in number) wanted to go and were willing to pay.
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With psls. Home fans dump their tickets early in a lost season to try to recoup. There are always enough visitor fans in a place like NYC to fill the place up.
Absolutely... I sold my tickets. The PSL price was ridiculous but I paid it. There will be games or years like this when it just makes more sense to sell some of the games and do something else with your Sunday.
to the other poster who said the people who sold the tickers are "part of the problem". No... the problem is still the team. The problem is also that there are millions of Giants' fans in the area who also did not step up to buy the tickets. The opposing teams' fans (although fewer in number) wanted to go and were willing to pay.
When the owner takes his fan base for granted, and treats them like a cash machine, fans cannot be faulted for treating their psl like an asset, just as they were marketed.
The owners wanted that kind of ownership experience, and that's what they got.
Presently our woes are unfortunately due to an organization that does not promote excellence and accountability from the ownership down. Something tells me that Wellington would have resolved this years ago if still around. What is really very unfortunate is that our ownership is living in old thinking in that the previous strategies are no longer relevant for a new era in which college players of which many are coming out ready to play except for the guys we pick or do not develop. Instead of getting the fanbase to buy in to developing for the new era and the sacrifices, we rearrange the deck chairs and remodel the kitchen with the same inferior product. I guess the owners have protection with those PSLs but that game will only play for a while as the NFL attendance continues its decline. They are already only 2/3 of attendance on a good day compared to a decent college team. The NFL is becoming silly in general from the pregame shows, to the social welfare, to the kneeling, social justice promotion schemes, pink cleats, et al. It is no longer a game for die hard football fans, and may be just preparing for a new age of fans that will accept team colors and a plate of shit effort on field and accept it.
I agree with most of what you said until this part. Not sure if you can really put it all on the NFL. The TV Networks on the pregame shows. The NFL creates the environment which allows the kneeling and other bullshit to occur.
Trust me....no one was reaping a profit from yesterdays game. I couldn't even sell my tickets for 50% of face value.
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The NFL is becoming silly in general from the pregame shows, to the social welfare, to the kneeling, social justice promotion schemes, pink cleats, et al. It is no longer a game for die hard football fans, and may be just preparing for a new age of fans that will accept team colors and a plate of shit effort on field and accept it.
I agree with most of what you said until this part. Not sure if you can really put it all on the NFL. The TV Networks on the pregame shows. The NFL creates the environment which allows the kneeling and other bullshit to occur.
Probably right. advertisers, governments, states, media companies, soros orgs pay NFL like a bunch of lobbyists and the want something back and that is what you get. I knew something was going south years ago when you see the fox pregame crew doing comedy, wearing suits on a makeshift football field and lastly the one that did it for me, Bob Costas and Keith Olberman lecturing americans on guns while watching a football game. That told me that the NFL was being used as a political propaganda tool.
I've completely focused my attention on the draft picks now. I had a chance to watch a good portion of UCLA on Saturday and Rosen looks legit. I still think Darnold is fine, and the turnovers are part of learning curve, but this trend can't go unnoticed.
I'll still have a hard time rooting against them during the game, but I found myself completely satisfied with a loss yesterday. I want that chance to get our future QB.
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The NFL is becoming silly in general from the pregame shows, to the social welfare, to the kneeling, social justice promotion schemes, pink cleats, et al. It is no longer a game for die hard football fans, and may be just preparing for a new age of fans that will accept team colors and a plate of shit effort on field and accept it.
I agree with most of what you said until this part. Not sure if you can really put it all on the NFL. The TV Networks on the pregame shows. The NFL creates the environment which allows the kneeling and other bullshit to occur.
Probably right. advertisers, governments, states, media companies, soros orgs pay NFL like a bunch of lobbyists and the want something back and that is what you get. I knew something was going south years ago when you see the fox pregame crew doing comedy, wearing suits on a makeshift football field and lastly the one that did it for me, Bob Costas and Keith Olberman lecturing americans on guns while watching a football game. That told me that the NFL was being used as a political propaganda tool.
Wait, we have a live one here. Soros? Do you also believe the NFL owns a weather control machine?
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that they expect the Maras to not be involved in the football side of things. It's been part of the franchise since the very beginning. You might as well ask them not to sell beer or charge for parking. Both are just as likely to happen as them stepping away from the team.
. It’s called micro management. Plenty of owners don’t place a family member in the FO. Since this this franchise has a history of bad things happening when they get involved it’s an issue.
But you are a big McAdoo fan. So enjoy this year. Your deserve it
You're unhinged. Take a chill pill.
Not really. Say what you want about Seattle fans but they are loyal. It's always been tough to play in their stadium going all the way back to the 80s when they weren't any good.
I sit in section 137. There were about 10 hawk fans around and they lead this chant pretty much the entire game. Its pathetic what our team looks like. It is embarrassing.
Seattle fans wouldn’t get away with that in Washington, Philly, even New England.
Seattle fans wouldn’t get away with that in Washington, Philly, even New England.
Yeah! We should get drunker and get in more fights in the stands, that'd be great!
Ridiculous post.
You the best, arrrrrrrround, and nothin's ever gonna keep you down!
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And probably don’t consume enough at the game.
Seattle fans wouldn’t get away with that in Washington, Philly, even New England.
Yeah! We should get drunker and get in more fights in the stands, that'd be great!
Ridiculous post.
Seattle fans would definitely get away with it In Washington. I was at the Christmas night game In 2009. It was literally like being in Giants Stadium. Even skins fans were chanting let’s go Giants. Of course that was about the only good game in 2009
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The NFL is becoming silly in general from the pregame shows, to the social welfare, to the kneeling, social justice promotion schemes, pink cleats, et al. It is no longer a game for die hard football fans, and may be just preparing for a new age of fans that will accept team colors and a plate of shit effort on field and accept it.
I agree with most of what you said until this part. Not sure if you can really put it all on the NFL. The TV Networks on the pregame shows. The NFL creates the environment which allows the kneeling and other bullshit to occur.
Probably right. advertisers, governments, states, media companies, soros orgs pay NFL like a bunch of lobbyists and the want something back and that is what you get. I knew something was going south years ago when you see the fox pregame crew doing comedy, wearing suits on a makeshift football field and lastly the one that did it for me, Bob Costas and Keith Olberman lecturing americans on guns while watching a football game. That told me that the NFL was being used as a political propaganda tool.
Wait, we have a live one here. Soros? Do you also believe the NFL owns a weather control machine?
Referring to the NFL players association donating to groups bankrolled by Soros.
NFL players’ union teamed up with Soros to fund leftist advocacy groups - ( New Window )
I hope when Mara hears things like that he is not sitting up in his box cursing disloyal fans, the GM, the coach or injuries. I hope he is honest enough with himself to realize it is exactly what he has built through his half measures with the stadium, PSLs and retaining everyone but Coughlin.
The Philadelphia Eagle fans will come to that game in the bus loads ( now especially that they are doing good and that the Giants suck) and will fill that stadium with Eagles chants. This was nothing.
The Seahawks fans are supposedly across the country. What is going to happen when the best team in the NFC, especially a division rival, is going to come from less than 100 miles away? A lot live in the same state.
It only gets worse if fans sell their tickets.
BTW, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of opponents fans buying tickets, including Seattle fans, come in from out of town. It can be an attractive weekend or week to visit NYC and catch a game at the same time.
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vs Dallas ...and even worse vs Philly.
The Philadelphia Eagle fans will come to that game in the bus loads ( now especially that they are doing good and that the Giants suck) and will fill that stadium with Eagles chants. This was nothing.
The Seahawks fans are supposedly across the country. What is going to happen when the best team in the NFC, especially a division rival, is going to come from less than 100 miles away? A lot live in the same state.
It only gets worse if fans sell their tickets.
BTW, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of opponents fans buying tickets, including Seattle fans, come in from out of town. It can be an attractive weekend or week to visit NYC and catch a game at the same time.
Especially when they can get the tickets for less then face value.
FML
Please BYOB and do it in the parking lot before the game. Don’t give the organization or the league one more single solitary dollar for this pathetic excuse of team or season.
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I am going to get fucking shit faced at each one. What choice do I have...
Please BYOB and do it in the parking lot before the game. Don’t give the organization or the league one more single solitary dollar for this pathetic excuse of team or season.
Not my first rodeo. I can honestly count on one hand how many beers I have purchases in the new shitty stadium. I load up in the parking lot and sober up (literally and emotionally) during the shitty game. Everything is shitty except the tailgate. The tailgate is great.
BTW, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of opponents fans buying tickets, including Seattle fans, come in from out of town. It can be an attractive weekend or week to visit NYC and catch a game at the same time.
Especially when they can get the tickets for less then face value.
If the tix are available for less than face value then there are not enough Giants' fans willing to pay face value to go to a Giants game ... so what does this really say about our fan base or the team? A lot of people over the years have chimed in on threads like this deamonizing fans who sell their seats but watched from home instead of competing to buy those available seats.
Fact, before the new stadium and the PSLs there was about a 20 year waiting list for season tickets. Today, you can get season seats if you want them. The PSLs are available for sale. I have considered testing the waters on the sale of my PSLs to ticket brokers. For the right price and for all of the reasons mentioned in countless other threads here, I would consider it.
Not my first rodeo. I can honestly count on one hand how many beers I have purchases in the new shitty stadium. I load up in the parking lot and sober up (literally and emotionally) during the shitty game. Everything is shitty except the tailgate. The tailgate is great.
Ha! I do the very same thing. Load up in the parking lot to the point where you are so numb that you don't care who wins. Makes the disappointment of the loss hurt less.
Seattle fans wouldn’t get away with that in Washington, Philly, even New England.
Well, uh, who would want to go to Philly? New England wouldn't happen because well, their own fans are going to the games wanting to see them win with Tom Brady nearly every time they play there.
So their stadium "being taken" over by fans of another team isn't likely to happen in the Brady/ Belichick era.
2) How did it compare to when New England, Miami, Pittsburgh, GB, Was, Baltimore, Dallas, Philly, SF, Oakland are in town?
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And probably don’t consume enough at the game.
Seattle fans wouldn’t get away with that in Washington, Philly, even New England.
Well, uh, who would want to go to Philly? New England wouldn't happen because well, their own fans are going to the games wanting to see them win with Tom Brady nearly every time they play there.
So their stadium "being taken" over by fans of another team isn't likely to happen in the Brady/ Belichick era.
Philly has the same problem when they stink, remember all thge "Cruuuz" chants last season?
2) How did it compare to when New England, Miami, Pittsburgh, GB, Was, Baltimore, Dallas, Philly, SF, Oakland are in town?
Seahawks probably have the biggest turnout for any away team outside of the division opponents. The only other team that I've seen who compares are the Bills (I've been a season ticket holder since MetLife opened).
The % of fans wasn't high, maybe 20%. I think what really made them stand out was that the Giant fans started clearing out at the 10 minute mark of the 4th quarter. Most Giant fans around me (sec. 149) were apathetic to a loss. Emotions ran pretty low and once beer stopped being served and the Giants looked defeated, the stadium emptied out.
I'm sure the rest of the home games will have the same feeling with less fans actually showing up. The group of season ticket holders next to me just didn't show up at all. They didn't sell their tickets, didn't give them away, the seats just went unused. I bet we see that happening even more as the season gets on and the weather gets colder.
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1) % of Seahawk fans?
2) How did it compare to when New England, Miami, Pittsburgh, GB, Was, Baltimore, Dallas, Philly, SF, Oakland are in town?
Seahawks probably have the biggest turnout for any away team outside of the division opponents. The only other team that I've seen who compares are the Bills (I've been a season ticket holder since MetLife opened).
The % of fans wasn't high, maybe 20%. I think what really made them stand out was that the Giant fans started clearing out at the 10 minute mark of the 4th quarter. Most Giant fans around me (sec. 149) were apathetic to a loss. Emotions ran pretty low and once beer stopped being served and the Giants looked defeated, the stadium emptied out.
I'm sure the rest of the home games will have the same feeling with less fans actually showing up. The group of season ticket holders next to me just didn't show up at all. They didn't sell their tickets, didn't give them away, the seats just went unused. I bet we see that happening even more as the season gets on and the weather gets colder.
I'm in section 126...saw a lot of lime green in the stadium, it was very noticeable. And yes, after the flea flicker TD it started to clear out, and of course Seattle fans stuck around.
This is the age of selling tickets online so easily...you don't produce, you're going to have in influx of the opposition crowd.
It's prevalent even when your team is doing well.....
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Not my first rodeo. I can honestly count on one hand how many beers I have purchases in the new shitty stadium. I load up in the parking lot and sober up (literally and emotionally) during the shitty game. Everything is shitty except the tailgate. The tailgate is great.
Ha! I do the very same thing. Load up in the parking lot to the point where you are so numb that you don't care who wins. Makes the disappointment of the loss hurt less.
Thank you, both!
2) How did it compare to when New England, Miami, Pittsburgh, GB, Was, Baltimore, Dallas, Philly, SF, Oakland are in town?
There were a decent amount of Seahawks fans there, but nowhere near the amount of Cowboy fans who show up.