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Eli trade proposal

Stan in LA : 10/30/2017 2:05 pm
ESPN Insider article. They also propose a Buffalo Bills trade that sends left tackle Cordy Glenn to the New York Giants for 2018 second- and conditional-round picks.

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1. Jacksonville Jaguars acquire quarterback Eli Manning from the New York Giants for 2018 first- and fourth-round picks

The case against such a trade is easy to make, but if Giants ownership decided a franchise reset were needed following a 1-6 start, and if Manning wanted no part of a rebuild at this stage of his career, all parties could come out ahead on paper, at least.

The Jaguars, with former Giants coach Tom Coughlin as lead football decision maker, could justify the deal by saying Manning is the final variable in their championship equation. Manning, though reluctant to leave the Giants, could increase his chances for earning a third Super Bowl ring by winning big with a second organization, which would also enhance his Hall of Fame credentials. Coughlin's Hall credentials would also improve if he suddenly got the Jaguars over the top.

The Giants could use their own first-round pick to target Manning's successor while adding draft capital for a rebuild. Manning has a no-trade clause in his contract, meaning he would have to give written permission for any deal. The price would be whatever it takes to get a deal done -- not necessarily what I've suggested.

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Get a first and a fourth  
hassan : 10/30/2017 2:08 pm : link
Would be stunning and Giants would have to take it imo. Won't happ n.
BRONCOS!  
Pete from Woodstock : 10/30/2017 2:11 pm : link
Just like Peyton... better chance at championship IMHO.
RE: Get a first and a fourth  
Justlurking : 10/30/2017 2:12 pm : link
In comment 13669666 hassan said:
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Would be stunning and Giants would have to take it imo. Won't happ n.


Love Eli but the Giants would be fools not to make that trade.
None of these guys  
David B. : 10/30/2017 2:13 pm : link
seem to realize Eli has a no-trade clause in his contract.

Unless he ASKS out, he's retiring a Giant.
no trade  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 10/30/2017 2:14 pm : link
Author specifically mentions the no-trade. Try reading next time, it's fundamental.
RE: None of these guys  
Danny Kanell : 10/30/2017 2:15 pm : link
In comment 13669670 David B. said:
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seem to realize Eli has a no-trade clause in his contract.

Unless he ASKS out, he's retiring a Giant.


Did you miss this part?

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Manning has a no-trade clause in his contract, meaning he would have to give written permission for any deal.


No-trade  
BigBlue4You09 : 10/30/2017 2:16 pm : link
End of thread
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CoughlinHandsonHips : 10/30/2017 2:16 pm : link
The Giants have 3.4 million in cap space. Trading Eli would create 11.9 in dead money

They don't have the cap space to trade him without reworking his deal. He's due 19.7 million this year. Why would he restructure anything?

Do you geniuses harping on the no-trade clause  
pjcas18 : 10/30/2017 2:20 pm : link
realize Eli can waive the no-trade clause?

there's obviously a chance he says no - and he's said he wants to be a NYG for life, but also a chance he says yes if a deal to a contender can be reached, so in fact as unlikely as a trade involving Eli might be:

"no trade clause, end of story" is ignorant of how no trade clauses work.
Eli is a youthful  
joeinpa : 10/30/2017 2:22 pm : link
37. I think he has more than 1 or 2 years left.

Would make sense for the Jags.

It would also make sense for Giants if in position to draft potential successor to Eli and let him sit behin le Eli for a bit.
I believe Eli doesn't want to go anywhere  
Rjanyg : 10/30/2017 2:25 pm : link
I think he retires a Giant no matter how his career ends.

Even though this is a tough year, this is a great organization to play for and there is a great history and tradition of playing for the Giants. They are a pretty classy organization as well, just like Eli is all class.

The chance of this trade happening is about the same as  
jlukes : 10/30/2017 2:27 pm : link
me paying for ESPN Insider
No  
AcidTest : 10/30/2017 2:29 pm : link
way the Giants trade Eli. Absent injury, he'll be our staring QB through 2018. That gives the Giants one more year to prepare Webb or a QB taken in the first round of the draft.

I'd also be stunned if anyone was willing to trade a #1 and a #4 for Eli. He's 37, and completely immobile. The NFL wants mobile QBs who can scramble and make "off schedule" plays, especially given the decline in OL quality. That isn't Eli.
Eli  
Giantslifer : 10/30/2017 2:31 pm : link
If you can get a #1 pick for Eli, you do that trade YESTERDAY.
Anything else is free money
RE: The chance of this trade happening is about the same as  
EricJ : 10/30/2017 2:38 pm : link
In comment 13669686 jlukes said:
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me paying for ESPN Insider


..or me subscribing to Rolling Stone
From the Giants side  
Mike from Ohio : 10/30/2017 2:42 pm : link
of course you make that deal. Their own high #1 pick plus another #1 next year certainly gets the rebuild off to a nice start. Yes, Eli would have to waive the NTC, but players do that. To have a chance to win with Coughlin, I think Eli would consider it.

But why would the Jags do that deal? They are not one player away, and Eli's window is closing quickly. They have a young and improving team and should be keeping their eye on the longer term, not overpaying for temporary fixes.
RE: RE: The chance of this trade happening is about the same as  
loafin : 10/30/2017 2:54 pm : link
So you are saying there is a chance????? :-)

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me paying for ESPN Insider



..or me subscribing to Rolling Stone
No way the Giants trade Eli...  
Blue Angel : 10/30/2017 3:37 pm : link
And that gives us another 10 plus loss season!!!
No way the Giants trade Eli...  
Blue Angel : 10/30/2017 3:38 pm : link
And that gives us another 10 plus loss season!!!
Make this  
lester : 10/30/2017 3:41 pm : link
STOPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE: The chance of this trade happening is about the same as  
NYBEN1963 : 10/30/2017 3:57 pm : link
In comment 13669686 jlukes said:
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me paying for ESPN Insider


+1
RE: None of these guys  
jvm52106 : 10/30/2017 4:12 pm : link
In comment 13669670 David B. said:
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seem to realize Eli has a no-trade clause in his contract.

Unless he ASKS out, he's retiring a Giant.


He clearly states that and a no trade just means he has to say yes. Will it happen? No, but it isn't impossible!
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EricJ : 10/30/2017 4:14 pm : link
In comment 13669715 loafin said:
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So you are saying there is a chance????? :-)

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me paying for ESPN Insider



..or me subscribing to Rolling Stone



haha... nice Dumb and Dumber reference :)
Careful what you wish for  
djm : 10/30/2017 4:16 pm : link
Why can't we just draft a qb if he's there and let the three qbs battle it out? What's wrong with that?
I'd be willing to trade him, but it's hard to imagine the Giants being  
yatqb : 10/30/2017 4:24 pm : link
willing to do so. I'm not sure what price I'd want in a trade, but it certainly would include a #1 and another pick or two...with one being a potential 2nd rounder if his new team made the playoffs.
Would Be Shocked  
Jeffrey : 10/30/2017 4:40 pm : link
if any team would give up a 1st for a soon to be 37 year old, immobile QB.
If Eli really loves the Giants  
GoDeep13 : 10/30/2017 4:56 pm : link
He’ll be open to a trade if the offer is good for the organization.
RE: Careful what you wish for  
GoDeep13 : 10/30/2017 5:01 pm : link
In comment 13669783 djm said:
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Why can't we just draft a qb if he's there and let the three qbs battle it out? What's wrong with that?

Because if we get an extra 1st we could get Saquon Barkley AND maybe a QB (Jackson, Allen, Mayfield) or an OL (McGlichley, Nelson) or maybe even a FS (Minkah Fitzpatrick). School. Maybe we trade down either the 2nd 1st ang get more picks!
Jeffrey said it best  
hassan : 10/30/2017 5:17 pm : link
No one is giving up a first for manning now.
If Eli is the starter in2018  
xman : 10/30/2017 5:22 pm : link
we fall behind one more year. Time to throw the draft kid and play him like Titans, Tampa, the Eagles did.
RE: Would Be Shocked  
BigBlueinChicago : 10/30/2017 5:37 pm : link
In comment 13669807 Jeffrey said:
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if any team would give up a 1st for a soon to be 37 year old, immobile QB.


That's why as it's been said on the thread that if a team is willing to give you a 1st/4th for him, you take it and don't ask questions.

If you are actually going to rebuild this back up a bit, and starting out you have 3 selections in the top 35 to 40 in the 2018 draft, that is a very good place to begin.
If the players in the league don't rate Eli highly,  
CT Charlie : 10/30/2017 5:37 pm : link
why would a GM? Nobody will give up a #1, and pay him what he's entitled.

I don't get it  
allstarjim : 10/30/2017 5:42 pm : link
Some website, poster, sports radio personality, etc, posits a totally fictional trade scenario, a scenario with which has an impossibly remote chance of happening, yet, it must be discussed ad nauseum, along with every other totally not-happening trade idea that pops into anyone's head. Let's discuss trading Eli for Santa Claus, while we're at it. I heard the North Pole is getting an expansion team, and while they are going to be hurting in the trenches with just elves, Eli's protection isn't going to be much worse. Also, if we're all really good all year, we can ask Santa Claus for a new dominant O-line, and a good GM and HC.

Seems like a win-win.
1st and 4th  
Peppers : 10/30/2017 6:06 pm : link
It's a no brainer. You make the trade.

2nd and 4th is much more realistic.
RE: I don't get it  
Jerry from Maine : 10/30/2017 6:06 pm : link
In comment 13669871 allstarjim said:
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Some website, poster, sports radio personality, etc, posits a totally fictional trade scenario, a scenario with which has an impossibly remote chance of happening, yet, it must be discussed ad nauseum, along with every other totally not-happening trade idea that pops into anyone's head. Let's discuss trading Eli for Santa Claus, while we're at it. I heard the North Pole is getting an expansion team, and while they are going to be hurting in the trenches with just elves, Eli's protection isn't going to be much worse. Also, if we're all really good all year, we can ask Santa Claus for a new dominant O-line, and a good GM and HC.
LOL :)

Seems like a win-win.
Once again ESPN proves that  
Red Dog : 10/30/2017 6:31 pm : link
they don't have am effing clue.

GIANTS won't trade Eli and Bills won't trade Glenn.

A first round pick for Eli?  
M.S. : 10/30/2017 6:39 pm : link

Never gonna happen.

That's a joke.

Love Eli  
JoeyBigBlue : 10/30/2017 6:40 pm : link
But for a 1st and 4th, I'll drive him to the airport myself.


All time great Giant, but moving his salary would do a lot for this rebuilding team.
One thing the Giants are, is loyal  
TMS : 10/30/2017 7:15 pm : link
and ELI is going to retire as a Giant. Thats a done deal from both sides. MO
RE: One thing the Giants are, is loyal  
Blue Moon : 10/30/2017 7:29 pm : link
In comment 13669942 TMS said:
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and ELI is going to retire as a Giant. Thats a done deal from both sides. MO



First response in this thread that makes any sense. Reese will be washing Eli's jock strap by hand before he wears any other jersey but the Giants. You people are all morons.
Stop  
Rong5611 : 10/30/2017 7:33 pm : link
Eli isn't going anywhere. Move on.
My trade idea....  
Sarcastic Sam : 10/30/2017 8:02 pm : link
Eli Manning to the Chargers. Eli said he didn't want to play in San Diego, not that he didn't want to play for the Chargers, right?
Jlukes  
DavidinBMNY : 10/30/2017 8:09 pm : link
For the win!
Blue Moon  
hassan : 10/30/2017 9:08 pm : link
Do you read the posts? Most of us are saying how unrealistic it is.

But I know calling everyone a moron makes more sense.
RE: If the players in the league don't rate Eli highly,  
Big_Pete : 10/30/2017 11:20 pm : link
In comment 13669865 CT Charlie said:
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why would a GM? Nobody will give up a #1, and pay him what he's entitled.


I agree in principle, but I can see valid reasons for making the case by Jacksonville.

They have a great defence and running game and are in strong contention for a play off shot. They are not sold on Bortles, I can see how they could make a case for adding an experienced, proven veteran leader like Eli to what is otherwise a young team.

It would increase their chances of getting into the playoffs plus the change of making waves should they get there. The Jags actually have the ground game and defence that Eli ideally needs around him.

It has been a really long time since their last playoff appearance. I can see a case for maximising their chances.

Having said all that, it has to be a move that Eli wants to do and he has made no indication that it is something he wants to do.
We generally agree that Eli for a 1st and 4th is a no brainer.  
compton : 10/30/2017 11:38 pm : link
What about a 2nd and a 4th. Would anyone do that trade? I think I would.
RE: We generally agree that Eli for a 1st and 4th is a no brainer.  
jeff57 : 10/31/2017 5:58 am : link
In comment 13670187 compton said:
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What about a 2nd and a 4th. Would anyone do that trade? I think I would.


In a second. And Denver is in even more desperate need of a QB than Jacksonville.
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