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NFT: Rangers @ Tampa Bay, 7:30pm ET

NYerInMA : 11/2/2017 5:52 pm
October was a turdburger, let's hope November will be better. That being said, TB is the #1 team in the East currently, and beating them in Tampa is a tall order. Rumor is that Brendan Smith will be benched, meaning that at least one of the useless Kampfer/Holden combo will be playing. Prepare for pain!
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I’ll be making my first MSG  
bigbluehoya : 11/6/2017 9:51 pm : link
appearance of the season on Wednesday.

Keep it rolling.

Zibanejad is playing some nice hockey.
There's absolutely no reason to ever split up the KZB line again  
Greg from LI : 11/6/2017 9:55 pm : link
Those guys are so good together.
Sports are slowly becoming watchable again  
MetsAreBack : 11/6/2017 9:57 pm : link
Almost back to .500 (the common sense way to look at it) - keep it going. I'm going to Saturday's tilt with mcdavid (Edmonton has been garbage against the rest of the metro it's only fair they let us win)
Down 2-0 ... down 2-1 entering the 3rd ...  
baadbill : 11/6/2017 10:02 pm : link
and they go out and put things away in a 4 goal 3rd.

Big win not only because it extends their streak to 4 ... but they demonstrated to themselves they've turned the corner. They'll be playing competitive hockey here on out.
What poster  
XBRONX : 11/7/2017 5:40 am : link
said Grabner won't put up the same goal total this year?
Just about all of us...  
MetsAreBack : 11/7/2017 7:28 am : link
And how many non EN goals does he have year to date?

Of course with the way this team blows leads late, it's a valuable skill set to have here to have a guy with the speed to bust one in a 5 on 6 situation. But it's still not as valuable as a guy that can score 25 the old fashioned way.
I feel like a trade is coming soon  
redbeard : 11/7/2017 9:19 am : link
To add a center. Desharnais was pretty much benched the whole third period so it is clear the coach doesn’t have too much confidence there. Really liking what we are getting out of Boo but we are still one pivot short (and Carey sure as hell isnt the solution)

With the brass being up in Ottawa last week for who we can only assume was Turris it seems pretty clear the FO knows we need to be stronger up the middle.

Just hope Gorton doesn’t do anything Sather-like and mortgage the future
if they trade any more draft picks  
Greg from LI : 11/7/2017 9:33 am : link
Gorton should be chased out of town by a pitchfork wielding mob.
Chytil  
Kyle in NY : 11/7/2017 9:46 am : link
is a point per game player at Hartford, last I checked. Could give him a real chance this time before making any center trades.

Seems like we finally have a good PP. First time since when? The Jagr years? The Gretzky years? Sheesh, Shattenkirk is as good as advertised in that regard. He's great at getting his shot through traffic.

Zibanejad, Buchnevich, and JT all either at a point per game, or approaching it. All age 24 or younger. Pretty cool
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 11/7/2017 9:51 am : link
Zibanejad and a second for Brassard (who I liked a lot) was a genius move.
WTF is going on here  
Rover : 11/7/2017 9:59 am : link
No, not the game itself but:

1) No Ranger game day threads? Just re-using the Tampa thread for the third game in a row? And STILL less than 100 comments?

2) WTF is with the Rangers NOT selling out games all of the sudden? They have sold out for years, now all it takes is a bad October and the empties start?
That was a straight up heist  
Kyle in NY : 11/7/2017 9:59 am : link
I'd say it makes up for the Stepan trade, but Brooks makes the point here that we did better than we seem to think we did with the Stepan trade. Just depends on Andersson turning into something
Link - ( New Window )
RE: .....  
pjcas18 : 11/7/2017 10:00 am : link
In comment 13680401 BrettNYG10 said:
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Zibanejad and a second for Brassard (who I liked a lot) was a genius move.


He's been much better than I expected.

Rangers problem is defense though, not C IMO. Smith is not as good as some of you think.

If Desharnais at 3C is your biggest problem at F, it's not a big problem, as much as I dislike him and his stupid name, 3C (or 4C if you have that luxury) is where he belongs. He's a high motor guy with some skill, can give you quality minutes, I just hate his size, he gets pushed around too much, but everything else screams 3C.

And if it became a huge problem I'd put Miller back at C, but he seems to be flying right now, so I'd hate to mess with that, but I think Miller can be a C.

Smith has been garbage this season.  
BrettNYG10 : 11/7/2017 10:19 am : link
He played like a good second pairing guy when acquired, IMO.
Rumor was Smith showed up to camp  
Kyle in NY : 11/7/2017 10:25 am : link
out of shape. I thought he played well last season too. Regardless, he's still better than Kampfer.
RE: That was a straight up heist  
BrettNYG10 : 11/7/2017 10:33 am : link
In comment 13680411 Kyle in NY said:
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I'd say it makes up for the Stepan trade, but Brooks makes the point here that we did better than we seem to think we did with the Stepan trade. Just depends on Andersson turning into something Link - ( New Window )


I think he underrates Turris' value and overrates the gap between Duchene and Stepan. Then again, I think Stepan's pretty perpetually underrated, and that might be league wide.

I also think evaluating the success of draft picks included in a trade is a poor way of looking at things - the Rangers didn't win the Nash trade because they used the third acquired to pick Buchnevich, as an extreme example.
Big gap between  
pjcas18 : 11/7/2017 10:51 am : link
Duchene and Turris IMO.

Big.

Duchene is a legit 2C but with good players can be a 1C.

Turris is more like a borderline 2/3C.

I think both teams got what they needed from the trade, and COL has to hope prospects/picks work out, but they maybe did too.
Well if the rangers D is still an issue  
MetsAreBack : 11/7/2017 11:30 am : link
Then we're fucked. All these guys except McDonough who we all agree isn't a problem (at least until he gets $7-8 mil a year)... have 3-4 years left on their deals.

Smith has looked terrible but he's played 10 games into a 4 year deal and lots of NHLers show up to camp out of shape. The organization made a commitment to him and its way too early to call him the next Redden.

I also think AVs systems put tremendous stress on G and D and maybe over glorify the forwards a bit. As a result we rangers fans think all our forwards are terrific and the defense stinks. The risk/reward seems to play out fine in regular season but come playoff time AV still hasn't proven his system can be effective against the leagues best.
RE: WTF is going on here  
MetsAreBack : 11/7/2017 11:31 am : link
In comment 13680410 Rover said:
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No, not the game itself but:

1) No Ranger game day threads? Just re-using the Tampa thread for the third game in a row? And STILL less than 100 comments?

2) WTF is with the Rangers NOT selling out games all of the sudden? They have sold out for years, now all it takes is a bad October and the empties start?


You don't fuck with a 4 game win streak.
i'm enjoying msg network lately  
djm : 11/7/2017 11:40 am : link
good times. The threads here never quit. Keep at it boys.
I’m not overly concerned with Smith  
redbeard : 11/7/2017 11:51 am : link
He’s looked like dogshit to start the season but the guy has been a solid defenseman throughout his career and is still in his “prime years”. He did not forget how to play hockey all of a sudden

That situation with sort itself
Honestly, I've been less than impressed with McDonagh this season  
Greg from LI : 11/7/2017 11:52 am : link
I don't think we're too far from a conversation on whether Skjei is actually the best defenseman on the team.
RE: I’m not overly concerned with Smith  
pjcas18 : 11/7/2017 12:04 pm : link
In comment 13680625 redbeard said:
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He’s looked like dogshit to start the season but the guy has been a solid defenseman throughout his career and is still in his “prime years”. He did not forget how to play hockey all of a sudden

That situation with sort itself


I never really thought he was a solid defenseman throughout his career. I thought he was very inconsistent. I thought he made mental mistakes in his own zone and took dumb penalties habitually and was a healthy scratch late in his career far too often to be called a player who "has been a solid defenseman" throughout his career.

You can do worse, no doubt about it and the price to get him wasn't that high, but I feel like he had a good end to the season last year for whatever reason, maybe he was motivated by the proverbial change of scenery, but he has far too many defensive zone lapses for a top 4 D (even top 6 D really) who is close to a zero offensively.

Rangers fans overrate him IMO.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 11/7/2017 2:01 pm : link
I'm skeptical of guys who peak when traded for a few months, but I don't think Smith is as bad as he's been this year.

So I see an argument that he isn't going to be what he was for NYR last year, but I don't see him as a 7th dman.
The team just handed him 19 million over 4 years  
MetsAreBack : 11/7/2017 2:09 pm : link
Why is it 'rangers fans overrate him'?

I'm thoroughly lost. Fans thought he played well last postseason particularly in the Montreal series - which is factually true. But it's not like there was some grass roots campaign or even a Vesey watch to retain him. If you feel anyone is overrating him... look to the GM who just gave him 2nd pair money for a pretty good duration.
RE: Honestly, I've been less than impressed with McDonagh this season  
MetsAreBack : 11/7/2017 2:12 pm : link
In comment 13680627 Greg from LI said:
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I don't think we're too far from a conversation on whether Skjei is actually the best defenseman on the team.


I think there's a difference in being disappointed that someone didn't become the Alpha defenseman in his career here... and maybe even be weary about handing him a 4 yr $30 million deal this summer .... and thinking a guy is a problem on the ice.

McDonough is at worst a top 30 NHL dman and we're lucky to have him even if hes not Chara in his prime
Money is different IMO  
pjcas18 : 11/7/2017 2:16 pm : link
you have to overpay free agents in hockey just like every other sport.

MTL paid Alzner like he's a top 4 D and I don't like him much more than I like Smith. No shit or hyperbole I think I have a better shot than Alzner.

My comments about fans overrating Smith are strictly from BBI comments.

And I don't think he was that great in the Canadiens series. He and more so Staal were very weak in the defensive zone, Hank played great and pretty much won that series for NYR. McD and Skjei very solid too.

Go back and read (if you care to) some of Gallagher's comments, after struggling to score, MTL simply wanted to dump the puck in and force Staal and Smith to have to play the puck and wait for turnovers.
I don't think McDonagh's a problem  
Greg from LI : 11/7/2017 2:21 pm : link
But I don't think he's a standout anymore, either.
RE: Money is different IMO  
Kyle in NY : 11/7/2017 2:28 pm : link
In comment 13680819 pjcas18 said:
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you have to overpay free agents in hockey just like every other sport.

MTL paid Alzner like he's a top 4 D and I don't like him much more than I like Smith. No shit or hyperbole I think I have a better shot than Alzner.

My comments about fans overrating Smith are strictly from BBI comments.

And I don't think he was that great in the Canadiens series. He and more so Staal were very weak in the defensive zone, Hank played great and pretty much won that series for NYR. McD and Skjei very solid too.

Go back and read (if you care to) some of Gallagher's comments, after struggling to score, MTL simply wanted to dump the puck in and force Staal and Smith to have to play the puck and wait for turnovers.


You sure you're not thinking Staal and Holden? I too thought Smith had a very solid series. We were all pleading for AV to give he and Skeji more ice time than the other two.
Some of the advanced metrics  
Kyle in NY : 11/7/2017 2:29 pm : link
bore that out too, from what I recall. Smith denied zone entries pretty well and moved the puck out efficiently.
Holden  
pjcas18 : 11/7/2017 2:43 pm : link
was brutal, especially in the OT game when the Canadiens scored with a few seconds left, but Smith was not great in that series. In fact Smith was way out of position on the OT GW goal in that game.

Just my opinion. stats like zone entries certainly aren't going to change my opinion.
Yeah I figured as much  
Kyle in NY : 11/7/2017 3:05 pm : link
.
Smith may not be playing well  
NYerInMA : 11/7/2017 5:33 pm : link
But he's not going to get any better sitting in the press box. Even in his current state, he's better than Holden and Kampfer and should be playing ahead of them.
Bump  
Kyle in NY : 11/8/2017 8:31 pm : link
Buchnevich is a star
.  
arcarsenal : 11/8/2017 8:37 pm : link
Vesey!
.  
arcarsenal : 11/8/2017 8:38 pm : link
x2!!!
Not sure I like this  
Run with 81 : 11/8/2017 8:39 pm : link
"Continuing" thread over what 4 games now.... I didnt even know it was here so I'll Delete my other thread asking where the game day threads have been.

Yeah I read dont fuck with a 4 game strea....

2 F'in Goals for Vesey so far... Kid wants back on teh Ice full time badly!!!
Vesey doubled his goal total  
Kyle in NY : 11/8/2017 8:41 pm : link
on one shift.

Is Milbury and Pierre really the best NBC can do? Honestly think NBC does a terrible job covering the game
RE: Not sure I like this  
Kyle in NY : 11/8/2017 8:42 pm : link
In comment 13682946 Run with 81 said:
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"Continuing" thread over what 4 games now.... I didnt even know it was here so I'll Delete my other thread asking where the game day threads have been.

Yeah I read dont fuck with a 4 game strea....

2 F'in Goals for Vesey so far... Kid wants back on teh Ice full time badly!!!


You make the thread and Boston ties it. We bump this thread and a struggling forward scores twice. You wanna argue that?
Going to the dirty areas  
Stufftherun : 11/8/2017 8:43 pm : link
to get some greasy goals ...that's what you've got to do to get out of a funk.
RE: Not sure I like this  
MetsAreBack : 11/8/2017 9:05 pm : link
In comment 13682946 Run with 81 said:
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"Continuing" thread over what 4 games now.... I didnt even know it was here so I'll Delete my other thread asking where the game day threads have been.

Yeah I read dont fuck with a 4 game strea....

2 F'in Goals for Vesey so far... Kid wants back on teh Ice full time badly!!!


8 days ago Kyle and I were the only ones posting on Halloween following a 3-9 team staring down the barrel of a 2 goal deficit at home against an expansion team... the entire board ready to trade the whole fucking roster and per Brooksie, AV with about one period left to live.

Now - I'll be damned if we're going to do anything to fuck with this win streak. Silly superstitions are a hell of a lot more fun than what we were discussing a little over a week ago.

And superstitions are what hockey is about anyway - no touching cups or conference trophies, no stepping on the logo in the locker room, etc

In short - Fuck You. I say that as a fourth line grinder with the deepest respects.
RE: RE: Not sure I like this  
Run with 81 : 11/8/2017 9:51 pm : link
In comment 13682950 Kyle in NY said:
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In comment 13682946 Run with 81 said:


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"Continuing" thread over what 4 games now.... I didnt even know it was here so I'll Delete my other thread asking where the game day threads have been.

Yeah I read dont fuck with a 4 game strea....

2 F'in Goals for Vesey so far... Kid wants back on teh Ice full time badly!!!



You make the thread and Boston ties it. We bump this thread and a struggling forward scores twice. You wanna argue that?




Nope... LGR, Stay strong in the 3rd and close this out!
Hank is playing..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/8/2017 10:09 pm : link
unreal right now.

Yet another example of how writing people off really should wait until they are actually done and gone.
Hank  
baadbill : 11/8/2017 10:16 pm : link
Still feel better when he doesn't leave the fucking net.
5 !  
baadbill : 11/8/2017 10:34 pm : link
.
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arcarsenal : 11/8/2017 10:35 pm : link
5 in a row. LFG.
Another win  
NYerInMA : 11/8/2017 10:37 pm : link
Love it!
RE: Hank  
yatqb : 11/8/2017 10:47 pm : link
In comment 13683011 baadbill said:
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Still feel better when he doesn't leave the fucking net.


He's by far the worst puck handling goalie I've ever seen. And odds are that any decision he makes to pass the puck with his back to the play is gonna be wrong. Amazing for a goalie so good in all other respects.

But five in a row, and back from oblivion.
RE: RE: Hank  
baadbill : 11/8/2017 10:55 pm : link
In comment 13683021 yatqb said:
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In comment 13683011 baadbill said:


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Still feel better when he doesn't leave the fucking net.



He's by far the worst puck handling goalie I've ever seen. And odds are that any decision he makes to pass the puck with his back to the play is gonna be wrong. Amazing for a goalie so good in all other respects.

But five in a row, and back from oblivion.


It's like Eli leaving the pocket ... you just know they are going to fumble.
Hank was really good tonight  
Kyle in NY : 11/8/2017 10:58 pm : link
McD made up for a questionable game with a really nice shift 6 on 5. Nash deserved a goal, glad he got the ENG. Another nice win
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