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Leonard: On the "subtle" war of words about Giants Practice

gidiefor : Mod : 11/4/2017 9:41 am
I usually dismiss Leonard's work as agent provocateur, and this still may qualify, but Leonard presents an interesting take, in the linked article below, on how he interprets Reese's bye week comments about practice as a slap at McAdoo, and McAdoo's seemingly ridiculous after bye week comments about practice as a slap back.
Giants coach Ben McAdoo and GM Jerry Reese's subtle war of words as both will fight to keep their jobs - ( New Window )
Thanks gidie  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/4/2017 10:42 am : link
actually an interesting read for once. He makes some good points.
How often did we hear Coughlin praise the week's practice...  
Milton : 11/4/2017 11:15 am : link
...only to comment on Monday that it didn't translate to game day on Sunday? By my memory it was very often.
Go to a Giants practice.  
Powerclean765 : 11/4/2017 11:21 am : link
It looks like 4th grade recess. About the last thing they are getting ready to do is play a scrappy, hard-hitting NFL football game.

I don't attend other team's practices so I have nothing to base it on, but McAdoo has managed to completely eliminate contact from football.

Under these conditions I guess you can look "good" but is it any surprise the plays don't work when live bullets are flying and people are getting knocked off course?
Hard to believe from watching this offense  
lecky : 11/4/2017 11:21 am : link
that they even do practice. Seems like they either run right of center, run left of center or everyone goes out like we do in the park. Where is the genius we were promised by this staff?
Just to be safe...  
trueblueinpw : 11/4/2017 11:27 am : link
Fire them both. The fish stinks from the head down. The owners aren’t going to fire themselves and they can’t fire all the players. Being a GM in the NFL isn’t a lifetime appointment. Time to move on.
RE: Go to a Giants practice.  
BillT : 11/4/2017 11:27 am : link
In comment 13675047 Powerclean765 said:
Quote:
It looks like 4th grade recess. About the last thing they are getting ready to do is play a scrappy, hard-hitting NFL football game.

I don't attend other team's practices so I have nothing to base it on, but McAdoo has managed to completely eliminate contact from football.

Under these conditions I guess you can look "good" but is it any surprise the plays don't work when live bullets are flying and people are getting knocked off course?


And you have access to Giants practices that not even the media has? Just when did you go to a Giants' practice that wasn't training camp.
If they are going tit for tat using the media  
mattlawson : 11/4/2017 11:45 am : link
I have no problem with Jordan and others playing along and harping on it during the pressers. It’s simple syllogism. A = B = C

Good prep = Good practice = Wins.

Reese: bad prep, no wins
Mac: good prep, not translating to the field.

Hmm...

Are they arguing?

I initially would think I’d have to side with Jerry on this one since he’s the guy with access that sees both the product on the field and behind the scenes prep. And has for a long time. However his job is on the line so ... maybe he would blame the losses on lack of prep even if it werent true. So might that genius line actually be a dig? Doubt it but possible. Is Mac the target of frustration or is it the players Jerry is actually calling out?

I think it’s actially the players.

Mac insists the prep and practices are good / great but things aren’t just translating on Sundays for some reason. He has never thrown Jerry under the bus, he says they are on the same page about the players despite heavy criticism of the OL, run game, and QB play. If I recall correctly Eli is actually the only player Mac has called out as being “sloppy” — and has defended decisions related to personnel and play calls and duties thereof. He is extremely complimentary of opposing QBs each week during the preview sessions. He routinely notes the lack of sharpness by our offense, QB decisions, and his desire to run the ball more.

So:

Both these guys are either delusional about the state of this team (unlikely)

Are just covering their asses and using the media to dig each other (possible but out of character)

...or not telling the truth about what they believe plagues this team.

Time for speculation.

Jerry and Mac are truthfully on the same page and agree young players need to be supported even if partially at fault, but they are basically in silent agreement that leadership on both sides of the ball aren’t leading this team to victory. Eli is done. while he has always put in the work he doesn’t translate it anymore. The rest of the team isn’t working as hard as they need to, they can’t overcome deficiencies, and they are not executing on the field.

But I think it starts with Eli - and both Jerry and Mac are more likely in agreement than not that they need a young QB capable of avoiding the rush and making plays and keeping the team in games.

Reese has a history  
joeinpa : 11/4/2017 12:02 pm : link
If taking the blame right before he gives the reasons he is not at fault

MacAdoo, 12-12 losing 7 of last 8, hard to say he s also hasn t been part of the problem. However, he s only in his second year and they saw something they liked in him.
Having great practices never  
RetroJint : 11/4/2017 12:11 pm : link
guarantees results unless you have great players having them. Parcells told people that Phil Simms had the best week of practice he'd ever seen a player have in the week culminating in the Super Bowl victory over Denver.

These guys are practicing against themselves . Conditions are controlled. Of course you look for players to be sharp in their understanding and implementation . You certainly don't want to have bad practices . But when it comes time to face the Rams, you're going "live" against the real deal.

Reese has cagily submitted his version of this season: The players were good enough, at least before the wide-receiving corp was wiped out. The losses are on them and McAdoo, as well as the entire staff. So when he prefaced his remarks with what I term the insincere mea culpa, in the next paragraph he's diverting blame to other parties .
translation  
mdc1 : 11/4/2017 4:26 pm : link
McAdoo is not an effective HC. Everybody can practice, the only game that counts is the real one. The one's we keep losing each week.
Didn't mac say the same thing JR said  
ron mexico : 11/4/2017 5:24 pm : link
Before the bye?
Ask  
XBRONX : 11/4/2017 5:37 pm : link
Allen Iverson what he thinks about practice.
Its very simple  
Chris L. : 11/4/2017 9:55 pm : link
Reese and McAdoo BOTH need to go. They both have performed poorly.
Interesting  
Matt M. : 11/5/2017 7:09 am : link
I don't want either one back, so I am not inclined to take either side. But, it is entirely possible they are practicing well in terms of effort, etc. But, if they aren't practicing the right things, who cares. This is purely a speculative hypotheticalbasedon McAdoo's seemingly stubborn ways, but what if they are practicing the same failing formations, packages, and plays week after week? They certainly haven't don't much in the way of adapting to what defenses are doing and that includes last year.
My Dad used to tell me he hit the ball really well warming up  
Jimmy Googs : 11/5/2017 7:44 am : link
on the driving range too.

but he really didn't...
I thought the article  
David B. : 11/5/2017 8:05 am : link
was a total fishing trip.
Practice does not make perfect  
Eli Wilson : 11/5/2017 8:18 am : link
It makes permanent.

I think I saw that in a Dave Pelz golf book.

His point being if you are practicing the wrong thing, or in the wrong way, you are committing the wrong thing to muscle memory.

Basically it all comes down to getting the proper coaching.
Reese  
PaulN : 11/5/2017 3:18 pm : link
Is the biggest problem, but McAdoo is a horrible head coach, they both need to go, and so does Eli and I would carefully consider letting Beckham go too, you want to pay him to be the team leader, LOL, what a fucking joke this franchise has become so quickly without Tom, and he did needs to go, but they should have got rid of Reese with him, then he spends all that money in free agency just to show that it was Tom, that piece of shit has fucked this up long enough. They need to completely blow this entire piece of shit up.
I don't disagree about blowing it up.  
3putt : 11/5/2017 5:32 pm : link
Fire Reese, let the new GM decide on a new HC.

But that doesn't make Leonard any less a shit-stirrer. When Reese says practicing well is part of the equation, he's merely ticking off the things you need to do to win. If I remember correctly he also included getting good players. For Leonard to take that one bullet point and highlight it out of context or rather with his distorted context is bullshit.

Fans are rightly riled up without distorted conspiracy theories.
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