It would not be the end of the world if it came to an end for me. I don't want to see it end however. Not this year anyway. After watching most of my hopes for the Giants this year circle the drain, ending the streak by benching Eli would be the cherry on top of a big pile of shit. I can't bring myself to root for the Giants to lose and get that really high draft pick. They sure are headed that way though. As long as Eli stays healthy I see no harm in playing him. Get Webb some snaps but don't bench Eli.
But his consecutive games started streak may be his most impressive stat of all. Certainly the most valuable. He suited up and played, game in, game out. It's almost unheard of. And only two other guys did it longer.
That shouldn't be fucked with by coaching or management decisions. Until there's an official passing of torch IF HE'S HEALTHY, HE SHOULD START.
I agree. After being an Iron Man since 2004, he deserves it.
To really evaluate and have that evaluation mean something, we need Webb to get full time reps in practice. Then we need need to have him play an entire game, see how he handles adjustments during the game. Then, the next week of practice, you will have substantial film to show him and see if learns...repeat repeat repeat. The more time he plays and practices with the starters the more valuable and meaningful that information will be. You knew all of that, you are very Eli, I appreciate that. I am a large Eli supporter. For me, If Webb showed enough, I would not use that top on a QB, I might take Barkely or trade back for more picks. I would have a QB competition in camp next year, year, Eli would win and start. Webb will have gotten invaluable experience in the process.
I'm curious to see Webb play too. Especially if the Giants are 2-10 or something like because at that point I want them to lose them all and he'll get a little real game experience. But I won't hold against him playing on this shit show team for this over matched head coach. So what can we really tell by that?
They need to know what they have in Webb for drafting purposes. That is huge. Eli should understand that better than most. It is nothing personal.
You could still decide to start Eli next year, unless Webb looks like a star.
this season is over; I realize many on the team have competing interests (short term vs long term) but from a fan's perspective, all I care about is a top draft pick and to see if we have anything Webb. These are literally the only 2 reasons to care about the Giants week in and week out. so let Eli get to #2 and then let's see what we have in Webb.
if there is a whole new GM and coaching staff, maybe these last handful of games won't even matter... but given where this team is likely headed (rebuild), I personally see great value in seeing what we have in Webb.
I hate this it would appear to disrespect Eli, who is HOFer in every way in my book, but I am a Giants fan first and that is best for the team. Not winning some meaningless game in week 13 or 14 in a lost season. and not this streak.
You think mid-season you are going to promote Webb to first team practice reps and start him in 2-3 weeks? He barely threw the ball in pre-season and I doubt he gets much practice reps during the season.
Geno is more likely to take over than Webb.
The best way to evaluate Webb is to dump Geno and have Webb take over the #2. Live action is meaningless if the guy is not ready.
I'm curious to see Webb play too. Especially if the Giants are 2-10 or something like because at that point I want them to lose them all and he'll get a little real game experience. But I won't hold against him playing on this shit show team for this over matched head coach. So what can we really tell by that?
I dont want to hear about how we owe it to ourselves to evaluate Webb.
A) He's a project who's not ready
B) No line and no receivers. What's he going to show us? His mobility?
C) He can still play the 2nd half of games and get his reps in
lol, I agree with you, but I haven't heard the term "get creamed" in a long while.
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than Eli Manning.
What a fucking crime.
It's crazy to me.
Oh stop.
Leave? Really? Great take.
If you want to be an Eli fan above the best interests of the Giants, go for it. I'll go ahead and be reasonable instead.
This isn't about trying to wrong Eli in any way. I don't think the team should end his streak for the sake of ending it. But I also don't think they should protect/extend it for the sake of that either. It's just not a significant thing - he's chasing down tenth place right now. It's a footnote, not a record.
The Giants have an obligation to keep an eye on the future no matter what. And to whatever extent they can balance that with doing right by Eli (and the streak), great. But the former is the priority, not the latter.
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Eli deserves this .Steve Wonder can see the problems with the Giants are not Eli's fault and he shouldn't be sacrificed just becuase some stupid fans don't care and want to see a rookie get creamed.
Leave? Really? Great take.
If you want to be an Eli fan above the best interests of the Giants, go for it. I'll go ahead and be reasonable instead.
This isn't about trying to wrong Eli in any way. I don't think the team should end his streak for the sake of ending it. But I also don't think they should protect/extend it for the sake of that either. It's just not a significant thing - he's chasing down tenth place right now. It's a footnote, not a record.
The Giants have an obligation to keep an eye on the future no matter what. And to whatever extent they can balance that with doing right by Eli (and the streak), great. But the former is the priority, not the latter.
BS, the Giants themselves haven't been interested in the best interest of the Giants themselves .The Owner, GM and the Coach have all taken a walk on this team the QB has not but the fans want this or that ,the fans don't run the team and the team doesn't need their money between the TV contracts and merchandise deals the team is fine money wise.Again all you I don't care fans ,go watch the knicks.
McAdoof is a fool and one that Reese willingly supported and promoted because he needed Coughlin to be the problem and not his poor drafts and flacid free agent signings and non-signings. It’s a shame that Eli may now be made to take the fall for McAdoof and Reese being so pathetically incompetent.
Agree with ALL of this!!!!
Its irrelevant after the Chiefs game, he won't catch Brett.
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Eli deserves this .Steve Wonder can see the problems with the Giants are not Eli's fault and he shouldn't be sacrificed just becuase some stupid fans don't care and want to see a rookie get creamed.
Leave? Really? Great take.
If you want to be an Eli fan above the best interests of the Giants, go for it. I'll go ahead and be reasonable instead.
This isn't about trying to wrong Eli in any way. I don't think the team should end his streak for the sake of ending it. But I also don't think they should protect/extend it for the sake of that either. It's just not a significant thing - he's chasing down tenth place right now. It's a footnote, not a record.
The Giants have an obligation to keep an eye on the future no matter what. And to whatever extent they can balance that with doing right by Eli (and the streak), great. But the former is the priority, not the latter.
BS, the Giants themselves haven't been interested in the best interest of the Giants themselves .The Owner, GM and the Coach have all taken a walk on this team the QB has not but the fans want this or that ,the fans don't run the team and the team doesn't need their money between the TV contracts and merchandise deals the team is fine money wise.Again all you I don't care fans ,go watch the knicks.
If you really believe that the owner doesn't care about the best interests of the team, you should find a new team. The owner will outlast you. Besides that, your take is so incredibly misguided that it's not worth response.
No one should care about chasing down 10th place on the consecutive games played list. Unless, of course, you considered Steve Garvey and Miguel Tejada passing Billy Williams for 4th and 5th place in MLB history to be appointment television.
In the meantime, go learn how to use grammar, syntax, punctuation and your space bar.
b) The Giants arent going to find out or somehow materially secure their future... by starting Webb the back half of the season. We have no line and no receivers.
c) they can give Webb his reps in the 2nd half of games if they want (maybe even in the 2nd qtrs, who cares)
There's no rational argument why you can't let Eli start the last 8 games of the season, if those are the two time superbowl champions wishes, and then trade/cut him after the season so he can pursue that streak, if he wishes, elsewhere next year.
Also, the team likely has a very good idea of what Webb is at the moment, and it's repeatedly said he's not ready.
I know fans don't want to hear it, but there's a good chance we're not finding out much about the post-Eli future anytime soon, imo.
You think mid-season you are going to promote Webb to first team practice reps and start him in 2-3 weeks? He barely threw the ball in pre-season and I doubt he gets much practice reps during the season.
Geno is more likely to take over than Webb.
The best way to evaluate Webb is to dump Geno and have Webb take over the #2. Live action is meaningless if the guy is not ready.
so I am not assuming their decisions are necessarily the right ones.
The problem with that logic is that, under the current CBA, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. There really isn't enough practice time during the season for players to crack the lineup if they didn't do so in camp/preseason. It was certainly true in the past that playing time was earned in practice, but I don't think it is anymore. The lineup is what it is unless injuries or in-game ineffectiveness intervene (and sometimes even the latter isn't a given).
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I hear you, but players earn their time in practice. It's entirely possible these were their best options in that regard. Talent acquisition needs big improvement, without a doubt. And at the end of the season, there will be changes to the staffs. I just don't see them doing what's best for the fans between now and then.
The problem with that logic is that, under the current CBA, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. There really isn't enough practice time during the season for players to crack the lineup if they didn't do so in camp/preseason. It was certainly true in the past that playing time was earned in practice, but I don't think it is anymore. The lineup is what it is unless injuries or in-game ineffectiveness intervene (and sometimes even the latter isn't a given).
Which is why Reese, and Ross, and anybody else who has any knowledge of the situation said they wanted him to sit and learn for a couple years.
I don't get why this is so hard for people to understand. It's so clear...
But the amazing significance of the streak is its legitimacy and it would be completely unacceptable to "just start and then remove him" simply to keep the streak alive. That would serve to put an asterisk next to what is otherwise quite an accomplishment.
I would only want him to get two more games so he passes his brother.
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I hear you, but players earn their time in practice. It's entirely possible these were their best options in that regard. Talent acquisition needs big improvement, without a doubt. And at the end of the season, there will be changes to the staffs. I just don't see them doing what's best for the fans between now and then.
The problem with that logic is that, under the current CBA, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. There really isn't enough practice time during the season for players to crack the lineup if they didn't do so in camp/preseason. It was certainly true in the past that playing time was earned in practice, but I don't think it is anymore. The lineup is what it is unless injuries or in-game ineffectiveness intervene (and sometimes even the latter isn't a given).
It appears this coaching staff still follows the practice meritocracy principle.
My comment was just more in response to the idea that just b/c the coaching staff isn't putting someone in the game doesn't mean they aren't capable. McAdoo and staff have already shown they will stick with the wrong guy for too long, so their decision not to play Webb doesn't tell me much about whether Webb is capable or not.
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I hear you, but players earn their time in practice. It's entirely possible these were their best options in that regard. Talent acquisition needs big improvement, without a doubt. And at the end of the season, there will be changes to the staffs. I just don't see them doing what's best for the fans between now and then.
The problem with that logic is that, under the current CBA, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. There really isn't enough practice time during the season for players to crack the lineup if they didn't do so in camp/preseason. It was certainly true in the past that playing time was earned in practice, but I don't think it is anymore. The lineup is what it is unless injuries or in-game ineffectiveness intervene (and sometimes even the latter isn't a given).
It appears this coaching staff still follows the practice meritocracy principle.
My point is there are only so many reps to go around given the limitations under the current CBA, so the opportunity for any depth chart movement is extremely minimal. It's not really a meritocracy unless all parties involved actually have a chance to display their merit.
A true meritocracy doesn't award bonus points simply for being the incumbent, but due to the practice time restrictions, the Giants (and most/all NFL teams, probably) essentially do, since the 1's get the majority of time and attention in practice.