It would not be the end of the world if it came to an end for me. I don't want to see it end however. Not this year anyway. After watching most of my hopes for the Giants this year circle the drain, ending the streak by benching Eli would be the cherry on top of a big pile of shit. I can't bring myself to root for the Giants to lose and get that really high draft pick. They sure are headed that way though. As long as Eli stays healthy I see no harm in playing him. Get Webb some snaps but don't bench Eli.
Going through a period where you couldnot even conceive of the Giants being an elite team to finally see them become the best team in football was something I' ll never stop appreciating.
The guys on those teams will always be special to me. I wanted Phill Simms to play forever and was upset when he was released. It would have been awful to see him wear another uniform.
I was younger, and the success was new.
I don t feel the same about Eli. He has been a great Giant but I don t care about any streak. However, I understand why some would.
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Most of the guys on this roster will be back even when the dope coaching them is gone.
It will be viewed as a slight to the captain and face of the franchise.
Give Webb a game jersey and get him reps in the inevitable blow outs to come.
Wasn't his college offense primarily out of the shotgun?
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On this matter, though, I'd be very disappointed in the Giants if they didn't at least give him the 2-3 more starts he needs to surpass Peyton. He's got zero chance of passing Favre, so once he's past Peyton I'd say the streak business has been put to rest.
In answer to your provocative question Greg aka Mr Sunshine I am more of a fan of Eli Manning at this point...
This franchise has let down one of the greatest players in their history and a clown coach should not be the one to end the streak...
And, the flip side is, you're not going to learn much from Webb this year anyway. He's most likely not ready to play at the level needed for game day in the NFL.
Would I think about dressing him and putting him in games to get his feet wet in the second half if things get out of hand....certainly.
Most of the guys on this roster will be back even when the dope coaching them is gone.
It will be viewed as a slight to the captain and face of the franchise.
Give Webb a game jersey and get him reps in the inevitable blow outs to come.
Well written.
Practically speaking - knowing he's never going to pass Favre, is it enough for you for him to pass Peyton and then give some snaps over to Webb, or do you want him to continue making consecutive starts to build up that record?
Not talking football here - I'm assuming there will be no improvement (and likely only a downgrade) going to Webb, we're talking strictly from the streak standpoint.
If there was a better option out there, then I'd be all for the Giants sitting Eli if needed. But there isn't, so the coach starting a quarterback controversy with his lack of communication skills is irritating.
I'm afraid the current regime would make a change with the attempt at make one last job saving move. I'm already fed up with this regime, and can deal with embarrassing losses from here on out. The cherry on top to this garbage season would be embarrassing my favorite Giant with a forced exit.
Practically speaking - knowing he's never going to pass Favre, is it enough for you for him to pass Peyton and then give some snaps over to Webb, or do you want him to continue making consecutive starts to build up that record?
Not talking football here - I'm assuming there will be no improvement (and likely only a downgrade) going to Webb, we're talking strictly from the streak standpoint.
Jcn - that's a very good question.......I think Eli should be the starter for the rest of the season. He gives us the best chance to win - it's not close esp with the talent surrounding the QB. The team should be trying to compete.
You go into the offseason with all the cards on the table.....Giants could very well take a QB with their high first round pick, and that basically has the handwriting on the wall. There will be a transition and it could come quickly.
If they, for whatever reason, didn't take a QB, then you still go into the season that Manning has to produce and play well, because Webb will have had an entire offseason to prepare to play.
People will stop there and get incensed, figuring that the Giants should pick a QB with a top pick regardless of how Webb plays.
Here's where those who feel Manning has gas left in tank should take a breather. If the Giants feel the QBs at the top of the draft are overrated, and that the difference between them and Webb isn't enough to justify taking a top pick - then it frees up the Giants to make a selection other than QB at the top, and help retool the team for a run with whatever Eli has left, with the fallback option being Webb.
Not playing Webb at all essentially forces the Giants hand, to either make that call based on limited practice reps alone or to just make the QB pick regardless.
I do think Christian's suggestion - to just put Webb in for mop-up time makes a lot of sense, since I expect there to be plenty of mop up time. Or even to start Eli for a half, and then go to Webb in the second half in a preseason type model. I believe this would keep the streak intact.
Then play him in games depending on how it goes.
If we are competitive and have a chance to win, stick with Eli.
If we are getting blown out.......insert Webb.
First order of business, though, is asking is Webb actually going to dress for games.
Because if Geno is the alternative over Eli, I'll puke.
It's hard to say, because of the conservative way that they operate - in any other season, we wouldn't expect McAdoo to be fired mid season.
But IMO - given some of the shitstorm circling around the Giants - it seems to me that once the season went out of reach, the Giants decided to go full tank. Don't relieve McAdoo, IR Richburg, suggest playing Webb - all moves that point towards winning being deprioritized.
Remember Suck for Luck, well...
It's hard to say, because of the conservative way that they operate - in any other season, we wouldn't expect McAdoo to be fired mid season.
But IMO - given some of the shitstorm circling around the Giants - it seems to me that once the season went out of reach, the Giants decided to go full tank. Don't relieve McAdoo, IR Richburg, suggest playing Webb - all moves that point towards winning being deprioritized.
Remember Suck for Luck, well...
I think a good majority of the players are.....which would be another reason not to insert Webb.
Unless you want to make a case it gives the team an injection of motivation to support the rook.
But I'd doubt that from this group.
In a pitiful season it's all that's left.
And since about 70% of his career they've given him fair> jags OLs to play behind they owe him the record .
Also, I'd hope they would publicly announce that in future games, if a game is out of hand by the start of the 4th quarter, Webb will be inserted to give him regular season game experience in order to evaluate his capabilities for the future. Be 100% honest about it. You're not "benching Eli".
All of my above comments are nullified if the streak is ended to insert Smith into the lineup. He does nothing for you - not increase the chance to win, not see what he's got, nada.
Dude has given everything to the Giants. He always wanted to be a Giant, and he outworks everybody on the team. He always says the right thing, he's always professional, and he's basically a coach on the field.
He's an all time great and through no fault of his own his team has gone to sh-t around him.
IMO, he deserves to end the streak on his terms as long as he can still perform the duty better than anybody else available.
Yeah, it's so lame to be huge fans of arguably the Greatest Giant of all time and one of the Greatest Giants coaches of all time.
How dumb.
Yeah, it's so lame to be huge fans of arguably the Greatest Giant of all time and one of the Greatest Giants coaches of all time.
How dumb.
It's not childish at all when you're putting the benefit of one player ahead of the team.
I don't think there's any harm to letting Eli surpass Peyton, and then getting Webb some playing time. On the flipside, not getting Webb some playing time to see what value he might have going forward, when the season is lost and there's nothing to be gained from winning does actually cost the team.
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Yeah, it's so lame to be huge fans of arguably the Greatest Giant of all time and one of the Greatest Giants coaches of all time.
How dumb.
It's not childish at all when you're putting the benefit of one player ahead of the team.
I don't think there's any harm to letting Eli surpass Peyton, and then getting Webb some playing time. On the flipside, not getting Webb some playing time to see what value he might have going forward, when the season is lost and there's nothing to be gained from winning does actually cost the team.
Explain why Eli has to be benched to get Webb playing time....
There's going to be a lot of blowouts between now and 12/31.
There is absolutely ZERO justification to end Eli's streak for Davis Webb right now, other than that.
The trick here is practice reps - so long as Webb can get a fair number of practice reps, you can get some sort of evaluation of his play. I don't know how valid it might be, given the current offensive (and overall) shitshow, but you'll get some idea of what he might be able to do (or where he's limited).
The trick here is practice reps - so long as Webb can get a fair number of practice reps, you can get some sort of evaluation of his play. I don't know how valid it might be, given the current offensive (and overall) shitshow, but you'll get some idea of what he might be able to do (or where he's limited).
Brett Favre once took a single snap with a small injury, before sitting so he could keep his streak going.
But even beyond that, Davis Webb might not be ready to face starting caliber NFL defenses, and may benefit more out of getting his reps in the second half when the defenses have called off the dogs a bit.
What a fucking crime.
What a fucking crime.
It's crazy to me.
There is absolutely ZERO justification to end Eli's streak for Davis Webb right now, other than that.
That's not fair - that might apply to some, but purely for those who want blood seems to be a bit of a stretch.
I think most would fit into that category of 'season's lost, let's see what Webb has'. Obviously, a lot gets thrown out the window here - I don't think many of those people actually believe Webb increases our chances of winning, and I'm pretty sure those same people don't think we're going to get a fair evaluation of what the kid can do. But it's definitely more than 'Eli sucks, get someone else in there' for most of those who are looking to see some Webb before the season is up.
BRITT - I disagree with a few of your points.
1) you say "through no fault of his own" Eli is on a bad team. Eli shoulders some of the blame for how this team has underachieved over the years.
2) i think you are wrong that people aren't interested in seeing Webb try his hand at QB, so this idea that if Eli isn't playing QB then the stadium will be empty is not accurate IMO (though you may not be interested in watching)
you've got in your head that anyone who is open to options beyond Eli is being unfair to your guy.
you really can't be debated with at this point -you're in dep territory.
BRITT - I disagree with a few of your points.
1) you say "through no fault of his own" Eli is on a bad team. Eli shoulders some of the blame for how this team has underachieved over the years.
2) i think you are wrong that people aren't interested in seeing Webb try his hand at QB, so this idea that if Eli isn't playing QB then the stadium will be empty is not accurate IMO (though you may not be interested in watching)
1. The decline of this team/offense began in 2012 with the failure to rebuild the O-line. It really began in 2009.
This is inarguable.
Since that time, we have had spotty pass protection at best, and the one of the league's worst run games. Also inarguable.
Eli may shoulder some of the blame, but it's a very, very low percentage compared to the two things above, and one could argue that it's a direct result of the two things above (my view).
2. There is no justification to bench Manning to start Webb. Webb can still get plenty of playing time.
You think the team is bad now? Bench Manning and throw out Webb before he's ready and see how bad it can get. It just turned to November. There are 8 games left (unbelievably).
If the argument is that Eli will be packing them in and the stadium will be empty with Webb, I disagree. That stadium's going to be empty regardless because the team is putrid, with or without Eli (again, not a knock on him, it's the offense that's beyond repair).
A. This is still Eli's team and he's earned it.
B. Webb, by all accounts, is not ready.
They suck, they still have to play the Chiefs, @ Oakland, @ Was, Cowboys, Eagles. There will be blowouts. This can be accomplished without cheapening the streak.
Should be a total non-issue.
Let him tie his brother this week and be prepared to move on.
Let him tie his brother this week and be prepared to move on.
If he plays an entire NFL career without missing a game, especially one of his caliber and consequence, is is noteworthy and will be remembered.
Let him tie his brother this week and be prepared to move on.
Move on in what way? Are you expecting them to release him next week? What possible benefit is there to the team to bench him for the entirety of the game rather than simply make a change midway through to get Webb some time? (As if playing in this offense is going to be a particularly meaningful experience for Webb anyway). Why insult a franchise legend for absolutely no benefit?
Davis Webb is not ready to start, but can still get meaningful reps.
If we draft a QB high next year and want Eli to do the Warner role, okay, I can live with that.
But to take that away from him right now, while he's still the best option, is an insult, IMO. And quite frankly, the powers that be in charge right now have not earned the right to make that decision.
Let the new Coach/GM make it.
He only has 40 regular season games left on his contract. Are you in favor of an extension?
Passing Peyton puts him at tenth place. It's only #2 among QBs. I don't know why people ignore players at other positions, especially when you can make a case that it's easier for a QB to stay healthy than for any other position (special teams players are not counted for streaks, otherwise Feagles would have the record by a landslide).
As for the original question, did anyone care when Ripken got to tenth place on the consecutive games played list? This streak only matters to Giants fans because Eli is our QB and because Peyton is next up on the list. But it's really not very significant outside of our fanbase, IMO.
Wasn't his college offense primarily out of the shotgun?
Wasn't Watson's?
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There are some people here who seem to be much more fans of Eli Manning (and Tom Coughlin) than the New York Giants.
In answer to your provocative question Greg aka Mr Sunshine I am more of a fan of Eli Manning at this point...
This franchise has let down one of the greatest players in their history and a clown coach should not be the one to end the streak...
Please stop with "the franchise has let down" rhetoric. If Eli completes his current contract, he will be the highest paid player in NFL history. If that's your definition of being let down, we should all be so lucky to be let down.
Yeah, it's so lame to be huge fans of arguably the Greatest Giant of all time and one of the Greatest Giants coaches of all time.
How dumb.
Says the guy who literally called anyone who disagreed with him a "kid" on multiple threads. That's not childish at all.
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than Eli Manning.
What a fucking crime.
It's crazy to me.
It's also absolutely false. But carry on.
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to questions people's fandom.
Yeah, it's so lame to be huge fans of arguably the Greatest Giant of all time and one of the Greatest Giants coaches of all time.
How dumb.
Says the guy who literally called anyone who disagreed with him a "kid" on multiple threads. That's not childish at all.
You took being called a kid an insult. I merely meant it as a way of saying somebody that lacks perspective over time, of multiple seasons... The bigger picture.
There is no doubt that many here were teenagers or younger when Eli Manning took his first snap of his career, and no no other Giants team than one with him at the helm.
That is lacking perspective of multiple GM's, Coaches, and players over time, bad and good.
I am all FOR Eli starting every game he's healthy enough to start. He's more than earned that.
But I also think there will be opportunities late in games for the the Giants (and possibly other teams) to see what they have in Webb -- though I wouldn't expect much out of him given the state of the protection and weapons. And it does NOT affect Eli's streak.
If Webb were to play well enough, they might be able to trade him later if they draft a top QB prospect (and I'd have NO problem with that -- having Webb AND a blue chip prospect is not a bad problem to have).
I see no point in playing Smith.
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It's meaningless to be number two on that list. Nobody cares. Nobody will remember you.
Let him tie his brother this week and be prepared to move on.
Move on in what way? Are you expecting them to release him next week? What possible benefit is there to the team to bench him for the entirety of the game rather than simply make a change midway through to get Webb some time? (As if playing in this offense is going to be a particularly meaningful experience for Webb anyway). Why insult a franchise legend for absolutely no benefit?
Move on from this rather tedious discussion of his streak . This season is over. Might as well take a look at Webb. See if we need to go first round for a QB next year. See if Webb has promise.
If Eli's the best QB on the roster next year and gives us the best chance to win he starts. If not he doesn't.
I too have relatives who only still go to games to root only for Eli. He’s our favorite Giant ever and I don’t see why some make a fuss about fans who support him tirelessly.
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It's meaningless to be number two on that list. Nobody cares. Nobody will remember you.
Let him tie his brother this week and be prepared to move on.
If he plays an entire NFL career without missing a game, especially one of his caliber and consequence, is is noteworthy and will be remembered.
That ship sailed when he didn't start the first half of 2004.
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It's meaningless to be number two on that list. Nobody cares. Nobody will remember you.
Let him tie his brother this week and be prepared to move on.
If he plays an entire NFL career without missing a game, especially one of his caliber and consequence, is is noteworthy and will be remembered.
That ship sailed when he didn't start the first half of 2004.
Huh? I'm sorry, that's completely foolish logic.
I don't believe Webb needs to take first team reps in practice, start the remaining games in order to be evaluated by ownership and coaching staff.
Scenario 1: Let's say Webb plays poorly and we draft a QB. We draft a top QB. Does Eli become the starter for the beginning of the 2018 season?
Scenario 2: Let's say Webb shows enough to say he may be a long term solution, but not yet ready. Does Eli become the 2018 starter and Webb goes back to the bench?
Scenario 3: Webb lights it up and plays well. Eli gets the memo to either authorize a trade or be benched. The Giants have found their next QB and the future is now.
I think I listed these from most likely to least likely scenarios. Assuming #1 has the highest probability, I don't see the upside in the start Webb camp.
Give him garbage time mop up duties? If he is at all competent to handle operating in an NFL offense, then I absolutely agree.
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It's meaningless to be number two on that list. Nobody cares. Nobody will remember you.
Let him tie his brother this week and be prepared to move on.
If he plays an entire NFL career without missing a game, especially one of his caliber and consequence, is is noteworthy and will be remembered.
That ship sailed when he didn't start the first half of 2004.
Huh? I'm sorry, that's completely foolish logic.
The streak is about starting games. He didn't start his first half season. So in context of the streak in question, it does not comprise his entire career.
By your logic if he sits on the bench for the rest of the season his streak continues.
He's been really bad since last year. He has a good game here and there, but overall, he's been bad.
That being said, Eli has been pure class and he needs to be treated the same way.
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I want a win every week. Only losers hope for losses to improve draft status.
This is just dumb(no offense). Fans can see the big picture. Nobody associated with the team should be hoping for losses, but fans can because we know that it's better long term.....for the team.
If Eli's the best QB on the roster next year and gives us the best chance to win he starts. If not he doesn't.
Why are you completely avoiding the actual discussion. Want to take a look at Webb? Ok, sure. What does that have to do with Eli's streak, which by all accounts is important to him. There's no conflict between continuing to have him start games and also giving Webb plenty of opportunity to play. Why would you do something to insult Eli when it makes no meaningful difference in Webb's opportunity?
Next year is different. If Webb (or anyone else) is legitimately better for the team, then he should be the new starter. Eli's been a great player for us, but that doesn't earn him a spot at the team's expense. But completely benching Eli now for absolutely no benefit to the team is just a classless insult to a player who's given so much to the franchise.
McAdoof is a fool and one that Reese willingly supported and promoted because he needed Coughlin to be the problem and not his poor drafts and flacid free agent signings and non-signings. It’s a shame that Eli may now be made to take the fall for McAdoof and Reese being so pathetically incompetent.
I would keep the starting streak alive but play Weeb and Geno in garbage time (which for this G’aints squad should be shortly after kickoff in the first or second quarter). Remember too, those of you who can’t wait to see Webb, the offensive line is still going to suck balls and Webb could be ruined by it much more easily than the highly skilled and battle worn Eli.
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Move on from this rather tedious discussion of his streak . This season is over. Might as well take a look at Webb. See if we need to go first round for a QB next year. See if Webb has promise.
If Eli's the best QB on the roster next year and gives us the best chance to win he starts. If not he doesn't.
Why are you completely avoiding the actual discussion. Want to take a look at Webb? Ok, sure. What does that have to do with Eli's streak, which by all accounts is important to him. There's no conflict between continuing to have him start games and also giving Webb plenty of opportunity to play. Why would you do something to insult Eli when it makes no meaningful difference in Webb's opportunity?
Next year is different. If Webb (or anyone else) is legitimately better for the team, then he should be the new starter. Eli's been a great player for us, but that doesn't earn him a spot at the team's expense. But completely benching Eli now for absolutely no benefit to the team is just a classless insult to a player who's given so much to the franchise.
How am I avoiding the conversation?
If Eli can't catch Farve, which he can't, his personal streak becomes an interesting anecdote that nobody will care about or remember in 5 years.
Respect? What are you, friggin Henry Hill?
Eli's been respected to the tune of $200M bucks over his career. He's a big boy. He can face reality.
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to questions people's fandom.
Yeah, it's so lame to be huge fans of arguably the Greatest Giant of all time and one of the Greatest Giants coaches of all time.
How dumb.
Says the guy who literally called anyone who disagreed with him a "kid" on multiple threads. That's not childish at all.
You took being called a kid an insult. I merely meant it as a way of saying somebody that lacks perspective over time, of multiple seasons... The bigger picture.
There is no doubt that many here were teenagers or younger when Eli Manning took his first snap of his career, and no no other Giants team than one with him at the helm.
That is lacking perspective of multiple GM's, Coaches, and players over time, bad and good.
Except that I'm not a kid. You and I are pretty much the same age if I recall correctly from a previous thread. I was a Giants fan long before Eli and will continue to be a Giants fan long after Eli. I want what's in the best interest of the team and IMO, the ability to plan for life after Eli is far more important than a streak that isn't even for an actual record. It just feels somewhat superficial to maintain the streak solely for the purpose of the streak itself.
And I do understand where you're coming from, Britt. Where I take exception is the idea that Eli has somehow been wronged when the team will have paid him more than any other player has been paid in the history of the league. Everyone would love to see Eli get one more chance, because that also means the Giants have a chance at another championship. And I think everyone would also hope that Eli can have a graceful exit - he definitely has been a class act and a great QB for his career. But the suggestion that he's been wronged just seems silly to me.
I think that's the fundamental misunderstanding. No one is saying he should be benched. They're just saying that the streak in and of itself isn't that significant. You're taking that to mean that they want Eli benched.
Eli Manning does not need to be benched in order to get Webb reps.
This is a good point that might get lost - having Webb go only in blowouts essentially amounts to garbage time, where you're not simulating real game conditions. In garbage time with the game decided, we might see a much better Webb than we would if he actually started the game.
I can see both sides, but I'm still in the middle on this one. By no means should he not be allowed to break Peyton's streak and take #2 on the list. At the same time, starting him for a half (or even a quarter) and then benching him seems to diminish the meaning of the accomplishment. Starting him for the rest of his time here, regardless, just to maintain the streak puts his streak ahead of the best interest of the team, which I'd rather not do.
I fully agree.
If this coach ends Eli's streak, I will boycott the games this year in disgust
But his consecutive games started streak may be his most impressive stat of all. Certainly the most valuable. He suited up and played, game in, game out. It's almost unheard of. And only two other guys did it longer.
That shouldn't be fucked with by coaching or management decisions. Until there's an official passing of torch IF HE'S HEALTHY, HE SHOULD START.
I agree. After being an Iron Man since 2004, he deserves it.
To really evaluate and have that evaluation mean something, we need Webb to get full time reps in practice. Then we need need to have him play an entire game, see how he handles adjustments during the game. Then, the next week of practice, you will have substantial film to show him and see if learns...repeat repeat repeat. The more time he plays and practices with the starters the more valuable and meaningful that information will be. You knew all of that, you are very Eli, I appreciate that. I am a large Eli supporter. For me, If Webb showed enough, I would not use that top on a QB, I might take Barkely or trade back for more picks. I would have a QB competition in camp next year, year, Eli would win and start. Webb will have gotten invaluable experience in the process.
I'm curious to see Webb play too. Especially if the Giants are 2-10 or something like because at that point I want them to lose them all and he'll get a little real game experience. But I won't hold against him playing on this shit show team for this over matched head coach. So what can we really tell by that?
They need to know what they have in Webb for drafting purposes. That is huge. Eli should understand that better than most. It is nothing personal.
You could still decide to start Eli next year, unless Webb looks like a star.
this season is over; I realize many on the team have competing interests (short term vs long term) but from a fan's perspective, all I care about is a top draft pick and to see if we have anything Webb. These are literally the only 2 reasons to care about the Giants week in and week out. so let Eli get to #2 and then let's see what we have in Webb.
if there is a whole new GM and coaching staff, maybe these last handful of games won't even matter... but given where this team is likely headed (rebuild), I personally see great value in seeing what we have in Webb.
I hate this it would appear to disrespect Eli, who is HOFer in every way in my book, but I am a Giants fan first and that is best for the team. Not winning some meaningless game in week 13 or 14 in a lost season. and not this streak.
You think mid-season you are going to promote Webb to first team practice reps and start him in 2-3 weeks? He barely threw the ball in pre-season and I doubt he gets much practice reps during the season.
Geno is more likely to take over than Webb.
The best way to evaluate Webb is to dump Geno and have Webb take over the #2. Live action is meaningless if the guy is not ready.
I'm curious to see Webb play too. Especially if the Giants are 2-10 or something like because at that point I want them to lose them all and he'll get a little real game experience. But I won't hold against him playing on this shit show team for this over matched head coach. So what can we really tell by that?
I dont want to hear about how we owe it to ourselves to evaluate Webb.
A) He's a project who's not ready
B) No line and no receivers. What's he going to show us? His mobility?
C) He can still play the 2nd half of games and get his reps in
lol, I agree with you, but I haven't heard the term "get creamed" in a long while.
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What a fucking crime.
It's crazy to me.
Oh stop.
Leave? Really? Great take.
If you want to be an Eli fan above the best interests of the Giants, go for it. I'll go ahead and be reasonable instead.
This isn't about trying to wrong Eli in any way. I don't think the team should end his streak for the sake of ending it. But I also don't think they should protect/extend it for the sake of that either. It's just not a significant thing - he's chasing down tenth place right now. It's a footnote, not a record.
The Giants have an obligation to keep an eye on the future no matter what. And to whatever extent they can balance that with doing right by Eli (and the streak), great. But the former is the priority, not the latter.
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Eli deserves this .Steve Wonder can see the problems with the Giants are not Eli's fault and he shouldn't be sacrificed just becuase some stupid fans don't care and want to see a rookie get creamed.
Leave? Really? Great take.
If you want to be an Eli fan above the best interests of the Giants, go for it. I'll go ahead and be reasonable instead.
This isn't about trying to wrong Eli in any way. I don't think the team should end his streak for the sake of ending it. But I also don't think they should protect/extend it for the sake of that either. It's just not a significant thing - he's chasing down tenth place right now. It's a footnote, not a record.
The Giants have an obligation to keep an eye on the future no matter what. And to whatever extent they can balance that with doing right by Eli (and the streak), great. But the former is the priority, not the latter.
BS, the Giants themselves haven't been interested in the best interest of the Giants themselves .The Owner, GM and the Coach have all taken a walk on this team the QB has not but the fans want this or that ,the fans don't run the team and the team doesn't need their money between the TV contracts and merchandise deals the team is fine money wise.Again all you I don't care fans ,go watch the knicks.
McAdoof is a fool and one that Reese willingly supported and promoted because he needed Coughlin to be the problem and not his poor drafts and flacid free agent signings and non-signings. It’s a shame that Eli may now be made to take the fall for McAdoof and Reese being so pathetically incompetent.
Agree with ALL of this!!!!
Its irrelevant after the Chiefs game, he won't catch Brett.
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Eli deserves this .Steve Wonder can see the problems with the Giants are not Eli's fault and he shouldn't be sacrificed just becuase some stupid fans don't care and want to see a rookie get creamed.
Leave? Really? Great take.
If you want to be an Eli fan above the best interests of the Giants, go for it. I'll go ahead and be reasonable instead.
This isn't about trying to wrong Eli in any way. I don't think the team should end his streak for the sake of ending it. But I also don't think they should protect/extend it for the sake of that either. It's just not a significant thing - he's chasing down tenth place right now. It's a footnote, not a record.
The Giants have an obligation to keep an eye on the future no matter what. And to whatever extent they can balance that with doing right by Eli (and the streak), great. But the former is the priority, not the latter.
BS, the Giants themselves haven't been interested in the best interest of the Giants themselves .The Owner, GM and the Coach have all taken a walk on this team the QB has not but the fans want this or that ,the fans don't run the team and the team doesn't need their money between the TV contracts and merchandise deals the team is fine money wise.Again all you I don't care fans ,go watch the knicks.
If you really believe that the owner doesn't care about the best interests of the team, you should find a new team. The owner will outlast you. Besides that, your take is so incredibly misguided that it's not worth response.
No one should care about chasing down 10th place on the consecutive games played list. Unless, of course, you considered Steve Garvey and Miguel Tejada passing Billy Williams for 4th and 5th place in MLB history to be appointment television.
In the meantime, go learn how to use grammar, syntax, punctuation and your space bar.
b) The Giants arent going to find out or somehow materially secure their future... by starting Webb the back half of the season. We have no line and no receivers.
c) they can give Webb his reps in the 2nd half of games if they want (maybe even in the 2nd qtrs, who cares)
There's no rational argument why you can't let Eli start the last 8 games of the season, if those are the two time superbowl champions wishes, and then trade/cut him after the season so he can pursue that streak, if he wishes, elsewhere next year.
Also, the team likely has a very good idea of what Webb is at the moment, and it's repeatedly said he's not ready.
I know fans don't want to hear it, but there's a good chance we're not finding out much about the post-Eli future anytime soon, imo.
You think mid-season you are going to promote Webb to first team practice reps and start him in 2-3 weeks? He barely threw the ball in pre-season and I doubt he gets much practice reps during the season.
Geno is more likely to take over than Webb.
The best way to evaluate Webb is to dump Geno and have Webb take over the #2. Live action is meaningless if the guy is not ready.
so I am not assuming their decisions are necessarily the right ones.
The problem with that logic is that, under the current CBA, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. There really isn't enough practice time during the season for players to crack the lineup if they didn't do so in camp/preseason. It was certainly true in the past that playing time was earned in practice, but I don't think it is anymore. The lineup is what it is unless injuries or in-game ineffectiveness intervene (and sometimes even the latter isn't a given).
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I hear you, but players earn their time in practice. It's entirely possible these were their best options in that regard. Talent acquisition needs big improvement, without a doubt. And at the end of the season, there will be changes to the staffs. I just don't see them doing what's best for the fans between now and then.
The problem with that logic is that, under the current CBA, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. There really isn't enough practice time during the season for players to crack the lineup if they didn't do so in camp/preseason. It was certainly true in the past that playing time was earned in practice, but I don't think it is anymore. The lineup is what it is unless injuries or in-game ineffectiveness intervene (and sometimes even the latter isn't a given).
Which is why Reese, and Ross, and anybody else who has any knowledge of the situation said they wanted him to sit and learn for a couple years.
I don't get why this is so hard for people to understand. It's so clear...
But the amazing significance of the streak is its legitimacy and it would be completely unacceptable to "just start and then remove him" simply to keep the streak alive. That would serve to put an asterisk next to what is otherwise quite an accomplishment.
I would only want him to get two more games so he passes his brother.
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I hear you, but players earn their time in practice. It's entirely possible these were their best options in that regard. Talent acquisition needs big improvement, without a doubt. And at the end of the season, there will be changes to the staffs. I just don't see them doing what's best for the fans between now and then.
The problem with that logic is that, under the current CBA, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. There really isn't enough practice time during the season for players to crack the lineup if they didn't do so in camp/preseason. It was certainly true in the past that playing time was earned in practice, but I don't think it is anymore. The lineup is what it is unless injuries or in-game ineffectiveness intervene (and sometimes even the latter isn't a given).
It appears this coaching staff still follows the practice meritocracy principle.
My comment was just more in response to the idea that just b/c the coaching staff isn't putting someone in the game doesn't mean they aren't capable. McAdoo and staff have already shown they will stick with the wrong guy for too long, so their decision not to play Webb doesn't tell me much about whether Webb is capable or not.
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I hear you, but players earn their time in practice. It's entirely possible these were their best options in that regard. Talent acquisition needs big improvement, without a doubt. And at the end of the season, there will be changes to the staffs. I just don't see them doing what's best for the fans between now and then.
The problem with that logic is that, under the current CBA, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. There really isn't enough practice time during the season for players to crack the lineup if they didn't do so in camp/preseason. It was certainly true in the past that playing time was earned in practice, but I don't think it is anymore. The lineup is what it is unless injuries or in-game ineffectiveness intervene (and sometimes even the latter isn't a given).
It appears this coaching staff still follows the practice meritocracy principle.
My point is there are only so many reps to go around given the limitations under the current CBA, so the opportunity for any depth chart movement is extremely minimal. It's not really a meritocracy unless all parties involved actually have a chance to display their merit.
A true meritocracy doesn't award bonus points simply for being the incumbent, but due to the practice time restrictions, the Giants (and most/all NFL teams, probably) essentially do, since the 1's get the majority of time and attention in practice.