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How important is Eli's consecutive game streak to you?

wgenesis123 : 11/8/2017 6:42 am
It would not be the end of the world if it came to an end for me. I don't want to see it end however. Not this year anyway. After watching most of my hopes for the Giants this year circle the drain, ending the streak by benching Eli would be the cherry on top of a big pile of shit. I can't bring myself to root for the Giants to lose and get that really high draft pick. They sure are headed that way though. As long as Eli stays healthy I see no harm in playing him. Get Webb some snaps but don't bench Eli.
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RE: And it's so childish....  
jcn56 : 11/8/2017 10:10 am : link
In comment 13681799 Britt in VA said:
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to questions people's fandom.

Yeah, it's so lame to be huge fans of arguably the Greatest Giant of all time and one of the Greatest Giants coaches of all time.

How dumb.


It's not childish at all when you're putting the benefit of one player ahead of the team.

I don't think there's any harm to letting Eli surpass Peyton, and then getting Webb some playing time. On the flipside, not getting Webb some playing time to see what value he might have going forward, when the season is lost and there's nothing to be gained from winning does actually cost the team.
RE: RE: And it's so childish....  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2017 10:11 am : link
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to questions people's fandom.

Yeah, it's so lame to be huge fans of arguably the Greatest Giant of all time and one of the Greatest Giants coaches of all time.

How dumb.



It's not childish at all when you're putting the benefit of one player ahead of the team.

I don't think there's any harm to letting Eli surpass Peyton, and then getting Webb some playing time. On the flipside, not getting Webb some playing time to see what value he might have going forward, when the season is lost and there's nothing to be gained from winning does actually cost the team.


Explain why Eli has to be benched to get Webb playing time....

There's going to be a lot of blowouts between now and 12/31.
Benching Eli is purely to satisfy those posters/fans that have  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2017 10:14 am : link
been wanting it for years, for blood.

There is absolutely ZERO justification to end Eli's streak for Davis Webb right now, other than that.
That I can't argue with - I mentioned that up above  
jcn56 : 11/8/2017 10:14 am : link
But I don't know the mechanics of the 'start' streak - is there some percentage of the game that has to be played for Eli to qualify?

The trick here is practice reps - so long as Webb can get a fair number of practice reps, you can get some sort of evaluation of his play. I don't know how valid it might be, given the current offensive (and overall) shitshow, but you'll get some idea of what he might be able to do (or where he's limited).
RE: That I can't argue with - I mentioned that up above  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2017 10:18 am : link
In comment 13681817 jcn56 said:
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But I don't know the mechanics of the 'start' streak - is there some percentage of the game that has to be played for Eli to qualify?

The trick here is practice reps - so long as Webb can get a fair number of practice reps, you can get some sort of evaluation of his play. I don't know how valid it might be, given the current offensive (and overall) shitshow, but you'll get some idea of what he might be able to do (or where he's limited).


Brett Favre once took a single snap with a small injury, before sitting so he could keep his streak going.

But even beyond that, Davis Webb might not be ready to face starting caliber NFL defenses, and may benefit more out of getting his reps in the second half when the defenses have called off the dogs a bit.
Odell Beckham is shown more respect from this fanbase  
Chris684 : 11/8/2017 10:18 am : link
than Eli Manning.

What a fucking crime.
RE: Odell Beckham is shown more respect from this fanbase  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2017 10:19 am : link
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than Eli Manning.

What a fucking crime.


It's crazy to me.
RE: Benching Eli is purely to satisfy those posters/fans that have  
jcn56 : 11/8/2017 10:20 am : link
In comment 13681816 Britt in VA said:
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been wanting it for years, for blood.

There is absolutely ZERO justification to end Eli's streak for Davis Webb right now, other than that.


That's not fair - that might apply to some, but purely for those who want blood seems to be a bit of a stretch.

I think most would fit into that category of 'season's lost, let's see what Webb has'. Obviously, a lot gets thrown out the window here - I don't think many of those people actually believe Webb increases our chances of winning, and I'm pretty sure those same people don't think we're going to get a fair evaluation of what the kid can do. But it's definitely more than 'Eli sucks, get someone else in there' for most of those who are looking to see some Webb before the season is up.
I am fine with them starting Eli and then inserting Webb into games  
LG in NYC : 11/8/2017 10:22 am : link
in 2nd half if it looks like we can't win.

BRITT - I disagree with a few of your points.

1) you say "through no fault of his own" Eli is on a bad team. Eli shoulders some of the blame for how this team has underachieved over the years.

2) i think you are wrong that people aren't interested in seeing Webb try his hand at QB, so this idea that if Eli isn't playing QB then the stadium will be empty is not accurate IMO (though you may not be interested in watching)
BRITT (cont)  
LG in NYC : 11/8/2017 10:25 am : link
and 3) that there is no justification for playing Webb. yes there is and it has been repeated here for weeks- you just don't want to accept it.

you've got in your head that anyone who is open to options beyond Eli is being unfair to your guy.

you really can't be debated with at this point -you're in dep territory.
RE: I am fine with them starting Eli and then inserting Webb into games  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2017 10:26 am : link
In comment 13681835 LG in NYC said:
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in 2nd half if it looks like we can't win.

BRITT - I disagree with a few of your points.

1) you say "through no fault of his own" Eli is on a bad team. Eli shoulders some of the blame for how this team has underachieved over the years.

2) i think you are wrong that people aren't interested in seeing Webb try his hand at QB, so this idea that if Eli isn't playing QB then the stadium will be empty is not accurate IMO (though you may not be interested in watching)


1. The decline of this team/offense began in 2012 with the failure to rebuild the O-line. It really began in 2009.
This is inarguable.

Since that time, we have had spotty pass protection at best, and the one of the league's worst run games. Also inarguable.

Eli may shoulder some of the blame, but it's a very, very low percentage compared to the two things above, and one could argue that it's a direct result of the two things above (my view).

2. There is no justification to bench Manning to start Webb. Webb can still get plenty of playing time.

You think the team is bad now? Bench Manning and throw out Webb before he's ready and see how bad it can get. It just turned to November. There are 8 games left (unbelievably).
The offense is a lost cause at this point  
jcn56 : 11/8/2017 10:29 am : link
It doesn't matter if it's Eli, Webb, or Tom Brady starting back there.

If the argument is that Eli will be packing them in and the stadium will be empty with Webb, I disagree. That stadium's going to be empty regardless because the team is putrid, with or without Eli (again, not a knock on him, it's the offense that's beyond repair).
I didn't said there was no justification for playing Webb....  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2017 10:29 am : link
I said there is no justification for STARTING Webb. Big difference.

A. This is still Eli's team and he's earned it.
B. Webb, by all accounts, is not ready.
If this coaching staff can't manage  
Chris684 : 11/8/2017 10:36 am : link
to leave Eli in place as the starter while still finding spots to get Webb a few looks before the season's over, then they are dumber than I even thought.

They suck, they still have to play the Chiefs, @ Oakland, @ Was, Cowboys, Eagles. There will be blowouts. This can be accomplished without cheapening the streak.

Should be a total non-issue.
The streak itself  
fkap : 11/8/2017 10:40 am : link
Means nothing to me, but it is a record that testifies to his durability. There’s no reason to change starters until there’s reason to believe it beneficial to winning. Right now there’s no reason. However, as others have said, if he doesn’t look particularly good in a game, and the possibility of a win is slipping away, insert the backup. We. Don’t expect Geno to do well, but he might surprise. If Eli is done, we might need a caretaker for next year, and who knows, maybe Geno shows enough to warrant the job at a cheaper price than Eli. Or, make Webb the backup for a few games and insert him when the game is over but the clock isn’t. Playing Eli all game in such situations just to play him isn’t all that productive.
He's not catching Favre.  
MOOPS : 11/8/2017 10:40 am : link
It's meaningless to be number two on that list. Nobody cares. Nobody will remember you.
Let him tie his brother this week and be prepared to move on.
RE: He's not catching Favre.  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2017 10:44 am : link
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It's meaningless to be number two on that list. Nobody cares. Nobody will remember you.
Let him tie his brother this week and be prepared to move on.


If he plays an entire NFL career without missing a game, especially one of his caliber and consequence, is is noteworthy and will be remembered.
RE: He's not catching Favre.  
Mad Mike : 11/8/2017 10:48 am : link
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It's meaningless to be number two on that list. Nobody cares. Nobody will remember you.
Let him tie his brother this week and be prepared to move on.

Move on in what way? Are you expecting them to release him next week? What possible benefit is there to the team to bench him for the entirety of the game rather than simply make a change midway through to get Webb some time? (As if playing in this offense is going to be a particularly meaningful experience for Webb anyway). Why insult a franchise legend for absolutely no benefit?
Eli has nothing left to prove with regard to durability.  
Big Blue Blogger : 11/8/2017 10:50 am : link
The streak should end when it's in the best interests of the team for it to end. That might be next week, next year, or 2022. In any case the streak should not be preserved for its own sake.
Production streaks are fun  
Phil in LA : 11/8/2017 10:50 am : link
utility, not so much, and tend to place the individual above the team regardless of production, and that's no good.
And I agree with both Blogger and Phil...  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2017 10:53 am : link
However, I don't agree that the time is now, and I don't understand how to justify that it is now.

Davis Webb is not ready to start, but can still get meaningful reps.

If we draft a QB high next year and want Eli to do the Warner role, okay, I can live with that.

But to take that away from him right now, while he's still the best option, is an insult, IMO. And quite frankly, the powers that be in charge right now have not earned the right to make that decision.

Let the new Coach/GM make it.
RE: I would like  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/8/2017 11:09 am : link
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to see it continue for at least another 50 games or so.

He only has 40 regular season games left on his contract. Are you in favor of an extension?
RE: For me,  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/8/2017 11:13 am : link
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I would like to see him pass Peyton for #2 on list. He will accomplish that in two more games. I don't see him catching Favre. #2 is a great accomplishment. We will definitely miss his toughness and consistency.

Passing Peyton puts him at tenth place. It's only #2 among QBs. I don't know why people ignore players at other positions, especially when you can make a case that it's easier for a QB to stay healthy than for any other position (special teams players are not counted for streaks, otherwise Feagles would have the record by a landslide).

As for the original question, did anyone care when Ripken got to tenth place on the consecutive games played list? This streak only matters to Giants fans because Eli is our QB and because Peyton is next up on the list. But it's really not very significant outside of our fanbase, IMO.
I couldn't care less about Eli's consecutive  
Jersey55 : 11/8/2017 11:14 am : link
streak, the only thing that would matter would be his winning streak and that seems pretty lousy right now....
RE: ......  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/8/2017 11:15 am : link
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It is really a bizarre notion to think Webb just isn't ready for an NFL start?

Wasn't his college offense primarily out of the shotgun?

Wasn't Watson's?
RE: RE: It's interesting  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/8/2017 11:17 am : link
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There are some people here who seem to be much more fans of Eli Manning (and Tom Coughlin) than the New York Giants.



In answer to your provocative question Greg aka Mr Sunshine I am more of a fan of Eli Manning at this point...

This franchise has let down one of the greatest players in their history and a clown coach should not be the one to end the streak...

Please stop with "the franchise has let down" rhetoric. If Eli completes his current contract, he will be the highest paid player in NFL history. If that's your definition of being let down, we should all be so lucky to be let down.
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Banks : 11/8/2017 11:22 am : link
guarantee 99% of people didn't know the record holder prior to Favre. Anyhow, I'm in favor of playing Webb once we are mathematically eliminated. We are probably winning this game so he will pass Peyton. I'm not a fan of just playing Webb in blowout losses because it defeats the purpose of evaluating him properly. In blowouts one of two things generally happen. The defense just tees off of the qb knowing every down in a pass (some expressed concern over him playing with this OL so this option makes that potentially worse) or the defense goes in prevent and we play pitch and catch in garbage time. I'd like to see him under real game circumstances if the season is completely lost.
RE: And it's so childish....  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/8/2017 11:22 am : link
In comment 13681799 Britt in VA said:
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to questions people's fandom.

Yeah, it's so lame to be huge fans of arguably the Greatest Giant of all time and one of the Greatest Giants coaches of all time.

How dumb.

Says the guy who literally called anyone who disagreed with him a "kid" on multiple threads. That's not childish at all.
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Gatorade Dunk : 11/8/2017 11:24 am : link
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than Eli Manning.

What a fucking crime.



It's crazy to me.

It's also absolutely false. But carry on.
RE: RE: And it's so childish....  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2017 11:29 am : link
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to questions people's fandom.

Yeah, it's so lame to be huge fans of arguably the Greatest Giant of all time and one of the Greatest Giants coaches of all time.

How dumb.


Says the guy who literally called anyone who disagreed with him a "kid" on multiple threads. That's not childish at all.


You took being called a kid an insult. I merely meant it as a way of saying somebody that lacks perspective over time, of multiple seasons... The bigger picture.

There is no doubt that many here were teenagers or younger when Eli Manning took his first snap of his career, and no no other Giants team than one with him at the helm.

That is lacking perspective of multiple GM's, Coaches, and players over time, bad and good.
Know no other Giants team....  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2017 11:29 am : link
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A fair number of you don't seem to understand  
David B. : 11/8/2017 11:37 am : link
the streak is based on STARTING the game ONLY. Not finishing it.

I am all FOR Eli starting every game he's healthy enough to start. He's more than earned that.

But I also think there will be opportunities late in games for the the Giants (and possibly other teams) to see what they have in Webb -- though I wouldn't expect much out of him given the state of the protection and weapons. And it does NOT affect Eli's streak.

If Webb were to play well enough, they might be able to trade him later if they draft a top QB prospect (and I'd have NO problem with that -- having Webb AND a blue chip prospect is not a bad problem to have).

I see no point in playing Smith.
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MOOPS : 11/8/2017 11:38 am : link
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It's meaningless to be number two on that list. Nobody cares. Nobody will remember you.
Let him tie his brother this week and be prepared to move on.


Move on in what way? Are you expecting them to release him next week? What possible benefit is there to the team to bench him for the entirety of the game rather than simply make a change midway through to get Webb some time? (As if playing in this offense is going to be a particularly meaningful experience for Webb anyway). Why insult a franchise legend for absolutely no benefit?


Move on from this rather tedious discussion of his streak . This season is over. Might as well take a look at Webb. See if we need to go first round for a QB next year. See if Webb has promise.
If Eli's the best QB on the roster next year and gives us the best chance to win he starts. If not he doesn't.
Very important  
BBelle21 : 11/8/2017 11:40 am : link
It’s an extraordinary achievement and can’t stomach some clueless coach and GM try to take it away through the silly press when this man can still make all the throws, mind is as sharp as ever, and never gives up. Max Kellerman saying Eli gave up is a crock of doo doo.

I too have relatives who only still go to games to root only for Eli. He’s our favorite Giant ever and I don’t see why some make a fuss about fans who support him tirelessly.
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MOOPS : 11/8/2017 11:41 am : link
In comment 13681882 Britt in VA said:
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It's meaningless to be number two on that list. Nobody cares. Nobody will remember you.
Let him tie his brother this week and be prepared to move on.



If he plays an entire NFL career without missing a game, especially one of his caliber and consequence, is is noteworthy and will be remembered.


That ship sailed when he didn't start the first half of 2004.
RE: RE: RE: He's not catching Favre.  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2017 11:45 am : link
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It's meaningless to be number two on that list. Nobody cares. Nobody will remember you.
Let him tie his brother this week and be prepared to move on.



If he plays an entire NFL career without missing a game, especially one of his caliber and consequence, is is noteworthy and will be remembered.



That ship sailed when he didn't start the first half of 2004.


Huh? I'm sorry, that's completely foolish logic.
Eli is likely a Giant for 2018.  
Mike in ramapo college : 11/8/2017 11:49 am : link
I get why fans require to see Webb play in live games. Since the guy has not even dressed and has not proven to be able to usurp the back-up QB spot, I doubt he has proven enough in practice to show he should be thrown to the wolves.

I don't believe Webb needs to take first team reps in practice, start the remaining games in order to be evaluated by ownership and coaching staff.

Scenario 1: Let's say Webb plays poorly and we draft a QB. We draft a top QB. Does Eli become the starter for the beginning of the 2018 season?

Scenario 2: Let's say Webb shows enough to say he may be a long term solution, but not yet ready. Does Eli become the 2018 starter and Webb goes back to the bench?

Scenario 3: Webb lights it up and plays well. Eli gets the memo to either authorize a trade or be benched. The Giants have found their next QB and the future is now.

I think I listed these from most likely to least likely scenarios. Assuming #1 has the highest probability, I don't see the upside in the start Webb camp.

Give him garbage time mop up duties? If he is at all competent to handle operating in an NFL offense, then I absolutely agree.

I care about it more than anything else to do with the Giants  
arniefez : 11/8/2017 11:50 am : link
right now. But once it reaches 209 I don't care about it at all. He won't catch Favre but after 14 years and being the ONLY QB in NY Giants history to win 2 championships it matters more than anything else to me with a 1-7 record.
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MOOPS : 11/8/2017 11:56 am : link
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It's meaningless to be number two on that list. Nobody cares. Nobody will remember you.
Let him tie his brother this week and be prepared to move on.



If he plays an entire NFL career without missing a game, especially one of his caliber and consequence, is is noteworthy and will be remembered.



That ship sailed when he didn't start the first half of 2004.



Huh? I'm sorry, that's completely foolish logic.


The streak is about starting games. He didn't start his first half season. So in context of the streak in question, it does not comprise his entire career.
By your logic if he sits on the bench for the rest of the season his streak continues.
^^ anybody else want to handle this one?  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2017 11:57 am : link
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If the Giants are winning games,  
Keith : 11/8/2017 11:57 am : link
it's very important. Now, not at all. I'd bench him this week if we had a better option.

He's been really bad since last year. He has a good game here and there, but overall, he's been bad.

That being said, Eli has been pure class and he needs to be treated the same way.
RE: Do you want a chance to win Sunday?  
djstat : 11/8/2017 11:59 am : link
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I want a win every week. Only losers hope for losses to improve draft status.
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Keith : 11/8/2017 12:00 pm : link
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I want a win every week. Only losers hope for losses to improve draft status.


This is just dumb(no offense). Fans can see the big picture. Nobody associated with the team should be hoping for losses, but fans can because we know that it's better long term.....for the team.
RE: RE: RE: He's not catching Favre.  
Mad Mike : 11/8/2017 12:18 pm : link
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Move on from this rather tedious discussion of his streak . This season is over. Might as well take a look at Webb. See if we need to go first round for a QB next year. See if Webb has promise.
If Eli's the best QB on the roster next year and gives us the best chance to win he starts. If not he doesn't.

Why are you completely avoiding the actual discussion. Want to take a look at Webb? Ok, sure. What does that have to do with Eli's streak, which by all accounts is important to him. There's no conflict between continuing to have him start games and also giving Webb plenty of opportunity to play. Why would you do something to insult Eli when it makes no meaningful difference in Webb's opportunity?

Next year is different. If Webb (or anyone else) is legitimately better for the team, then he should be the new starter. Eli's been a great player for us, but that doesn't earn him a spot at the team's expense. But completely benching Eli now for absolutely no benefit to the team is just a classless insult to a player who's given so much to the franchise.
Hate to see it ruined  
trueblueinpw : 11/8/2017 12:24 pm : link
Especially hate to see Eli’s streak and career ruined by McAdoof and Reese. I know Eli is being branded as skittish, and if it’s true we certainly don’t need to wonder why when he plays with a terrible O line and hasn’t had an NFL caliber running back in years. But Eli isn’t “done” physically as he can still make all the throws and his body isn’t broken down. It’s a shame because he should be wiser as a QB than at any other time and indeed - maybe his wisdom has led to his skittishness. Only an idiot would trust the G’aints pass protection and Eli is no fool.

McAdoof is a fool and one that Reese willingly supported and promoted because he needed Coughlin to be the problem and not his poor drafts and flacid free agent signings and non-signings. It’s a shame that Eli may now be made to take the fall for McAdoof and Reese being so pathetically incompetent.

I would keep the starting streak alive but play Weeb and Geno in garbage time (which for this G’aints squad should be shortly after kickoff in the first or second quarter). Remember too, those of you who can’t wait to see Webb, the offensive line is still going to suck balls and Webb could be ruined by it much more easily than the highly skilled and battle worn Eli.
Not one thing  
Thegratefulhead : 11/8/2017 12:27 pm : link
If the Giants do not let Webb practice with the starters and start games this season it will show that Giants are broken from the top down. The season is done. We will have top five pick. We must see what we have in Webb.
More so now that the season has been over for us since week 6  
montanagiant : 11/8/2017 12:28 pm : link
What else do we have to salvage anything from this season?
With the depth of this year's QB class coming out of college  
Beer Man : 11/8/2017 12:31 pm : link
the Giants are going to have to give Webb some meaningful playing time before the season is over. Not to kick Eli to the curb, but to get an idea of what they have in Webb. The team can go a number of directions in the upcoming draft, and needs to know if Webb can be the be the Giants future QB once Eli hangs them up.
Very important as it should be for any Giant fan.  
TMS : 11/8/2017 12:32 pm : link
This BS is not ELI's fault. We let him down, he never let us down. Give him an OL and we win a couple of more SBs maybe, and he is a Hall of Famer. MO
RE: RE: RE: RE: He's not catching Favre.  
MOOPS : 11/8/2017 12:45 pm : link
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Move on from this rather tedious discussion of his streak . This season is over. Might as well take a look at Webb. See if we need to go first round for a QB next year. See if Webb has promise.
If Eli's the best QB on the roster next year and gives us the best chance to win he starts. If not he doesn't.


Why are you completely avoiding the actual discussion. Want to take a look at Webb? Ok, sure. What does that have to do with Eli's streak, which by all accounts is important to him. There's no conflict between continuing to have him start games and also giving Webb plenty of opportunity to play. Why would you do something to insult Eli when it makes no meaningful difference in Webb's opportunity?

Next year is different. If Webb (or anyone else) is legitimately better for the team, then he should be the new starter. Eli's been a great player for us, but that doesn't earn him a spot at the team's expense. But completely benching Eli now for absolutely no benefit to the team is just a classless insult to a player who's given so much to the franchise.



How am I avoiding the conversation?
If Eli can't catch Farve, which he can't, his personal streak becomes an interesting anecdote that nobody will care about or remember in 5 years.
Respect? What are you, friggin Henry Hill?
Eli's been respected to the tune of $200M bucks over his career. He's a big boy. He can face reality.
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