Who could Giants target if they fire Ben McAdoo? (Vacchiano)

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I might just cry

would still like to see it.

John Harbaugh if the Ravens go in a different direction. Saban is too old. McDaniels is a big no.

is a helluva lot like Tom Coughlin's record in Jacksonville. And he's about the same age Tom was in 2004.
Just saying.

The man should be fired 1/1/18.

is a name I've always heard they were high on.

to work with our future young QB

especially if we re-sign Odell.

In comment 13682072 jlukes said:

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to work with our future young QB

This x1000.

moderate success, like McDaniels, Smith or Haley. These guys generally have experience running a team, have hopefully learned from their previous experience and want to succeed the second go around, as they might never see a third look. There's many circumstances in the NFL that have proved that this might be a less risky way ahead and a potentially better direction in order to get the team back in contention quicker.

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Darrell Bevell and how he has been able to handle his offensive line struggles.

Also despite the committee at RB this team is 5-3

Might I add has developed Golden Tate Richard Locket Jermaine Kearse Doug Baldwin and now Paul Richardson

Josh McDaniels as my first choice

In preferential order:

David Shaw - Big fan of his. Great leader, consistent, and flexible with his schemes. Highly doubt he is leaving Stanford for the NFL. If you haven't read Peter King's article on Shaw from 2013, I have linked it below. A must read.

Teryl Austin - Highly respected Defensive coordinator. Made the interview rounds last two offseasons. Could be his time.

Nick Saban - I hesitate to put him at #3, but his resume alone puts him high on the list. I don't see it happening. He won't leave Alabama without a big buyout, and won't return to the NFL unless he has a say in personnel. Considering he has never won anything at the NFL level as a HC, I can't see the Giants meeting his demands.

Mike Smith - Count me as someone who liked the idea of Smith prior to the McAdoo hire. In my opinion, Smith is unfairly criticized for the failure of the Falcons. His teams were always competitive. He had 5 winning seasons in 7 years. His failure was having a 1-4 playoff record. I'm shocked he has not had a second chance yet, especially considering he won 59% of his games.

Frank Reich - Nice to see the former Bill and NFL legend rebound with the Eagles (did I just say that) after McCoy's staff collapsed in San Diego. When Reich was the QB coach for the Charges, Rivers had some of his best years. Would be a nice addition from an offensive/QB coaching perspective, but does he have the ability to be a Head Coach?

Jeff McDaniels - I don't hold the time in Denver against him as much as others do. I thought his coaching was ok, but his performance selecting players is what sunk him. If he was our OC I might be comfortable promoting from within, but seems like too much of a risk. Who knows, he has a first class mind for offense, but can he be the Head Coach?

Todd Haley - Very much not interested.


Don't Be Fooled, The Future of Offense is Flexibility - ( New Window )

In comment 13682100 Emil said:

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In preferential order: David Shaw - Big fan of his. Great leader, consistent, and flexible with his schemes. Highly doubt he is leaving Stanford for the NFL. If you haven't read Peter King's article on Shaw from 2013, I have linked it below. A must read. Teryl Austin - Highly respected Defensive coordinator. Made the interview rounds last two offseasons. Could be his time. Nick Saban - I hesitate to put him at #3, but his resume alone puts him high on the list. I don't see it happening. He won't leave Alabama without a big buyout, and won't return to the NFL unless he has a say in personnel. Considering he has never won anything at the NFL level as a HC, I can't see the Giants meeting his demands. Mike Smith - Count me as someone who liked the idea of Smith prior to the McAdoo hire. In my opinion, Smith is unfairly criticized for the failure of the Falcons. His teams were always competitive. He had 5 winning seasons in 7 years. His failure was having a 1-4 playoff record. I'm shocked he has not had a second chance yet, especially considering he won 59% of his games. Frank Reich - Nice to see the former Bill and NFL legend rebound with the Eagles (did I just say that) after McCoy's staff collapsed in San Diego. When Reich was the QB coach for the Charges, Rivers had some of his best years. Would be a nice addition from an offensive/QB coaching perspective, but does he have the ability to be a Head Coach? Jeff McDaniels - I don't hold the time in Denver against him as much as others do. I thought his coaching was ok, but his performance selecting players is what sunk him. If he was our OC I might be comfortable promoting from within, but seems like too much of a risk. Who knows, he has a first class mind for offense, but can he be the Head Coach? Todd Haley - Very much not interested. Don't Be Fooled, The Future of Offense is Flexibility - ( New Window )

Excuse me, JOSH McDaniels

In comment 13682061 Britt in VA said:

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would still like to see it.

Not sure why people are against mcDaniels. He was humbled by his last attempt as a HC.

In comment 13682071 Sy'56 said:

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is a name I've always heard they were high on.

I remember that being written a few years back. I'd like it. Would like Shaw more, just not sure how realistic that is.

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rest of the list is interesting, but if only there was a stud out there.

In comment 13682072 jlukes said:

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to work with our future young QB

Much more concerned who the offensive coordinator is when it comes to that.

In comment 13682073 UConn4523 said:

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especially if we re-sign Odell.

I don't think that's an if. I think that is a when. After this debacle of a season, Mara will want to hang on to whatever young playmakers the organization can.

Saban

Maybe Frank Reich

In comment 13682115 JonC said:

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rest of the list is interesting, but if only there was a stud out there.

Just checking, is that your assessment on Smith, or might the organization not be interested?

Austin and Shaw intrigue me the most. I'm just not convinced on McDaniels.

In comment 13682108 djstat said:

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In comment 13682061 Britt in VA said: Quote: would still like to see it. Not sure why people are against mcDaniels. He was humbled by his last attempt as a HC.

Can't speak for everyone but A big red flag for McDaniels is he is from the Belichick tree. High rate of failure from under that tree for coaches.......Guess he is due one good/great one though. Who knows

hired Bill Parcells, just as he had hired Ray Perkins.In his contract, George Young has full authority over the selection and dismissal of coaches."

This is the precedent for the functioning of the franchise to which NYG needs to return.


it worked before - ( New Window )

Time for fresh blood in this Org

Mine only.

In comment 13682102 Emil said:

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In comment 13682100 Emil said: Quote: In preferential order: David Shaw - Big fan of his. Great leader, consistent, and flexible with his schemes. Highly doubt he is leaving Stanford for the NFL. If you haven't read Peter King's article on Shaw from 2013, I have linked it below. A must read. Teryl Austin - Highly respected Defensive coordinator. Made the interview rounds last two offseasons. Could be his time. Nick Saban - I hesitate to put him at #3, but his resume alone puts him high on the list. I don't see it happening. He won't leave Alabama without a big buyout, and won't return to the NFL unless he has a say in personnel. Considering he has never won anything at the NFL level as a HC, I can't see the Giants meeting his demands. Mike Smith - Count me as someone who liked the idea of Smith prior to the McAdoo hire. In my opinion, Smith is unfairly criticized for the failure of the Falcons. His teams were always competitive. He had 5 winning seasons in 7 years. His failure was having a 1-4 playoff record. I'm shocked he has not had a second chance yet, especially considering he won 59% of his games. Frank Reich - Nice to see the former Bill and NFL legend rebound with the Eagles (did I just say that) after McCoy's staff collapsed in San Diego. When Reich was the QB coach for the Charges, Rivers had some of his best years. Would be a nice addition from an offensive/QB coaching perspective, but does he have the ability to be a Head Coach? Jeff McDaniels - I don't hold the time in Denver against him as much as others do. I thought his coaching was ok, but his performance selecting players is what sunk him. If he was our OC I might be comfortable promoting from within, but seems like too much of a risk. Who knows, he has a first class mind for offense, but can he be the Head Coach? Todd Haley - Very much not interested. Don't Be Fooled, The Future of Offense is Flexibility - ( New Window ) Excuse me, JOSH McDaniels

Frank Reich is an NFL legend????

Coach Smith. I hope he is not our next HC.

Maybe because he's still under contract in Chicago and not expected to go anywhere, but if he shakes loose I think he'd go quickly to the top of that list. Supposedly, Giants brass was always disappointed they didn't replace Fassel with Fox.

I would much rather the next coach be a defensive coach. The league has an offensive tilt, spend the money and picks on offensive players, fine, but make sure the guy in charge has full responsibility over making the D work.

In comment 13682150 gmenatlarge said:

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In comment 13682102 Emil said: Quote: In comment 13682100 Emil said: Quote: In preferential order: David Shaw - Big fan of his. Great leader, consistent, and flexible with his schemes. Highly doubt he is leaving Stanford for the NFL. If you haven't read Peter King's article on Shaw from 2013, I have linked it below. A must read. Teryl Austin - Highly respected Defensive coordinator. Made the interview rounds last two offseasons. Could be his time. Nick Saban - I hesitate to put him at #3, but his resume alone puts him high on the list. I don't see it happening. He won't leave Alabama without a big buyout, and won't return to the NFL unless he has a say in personnel. Considering he has never won anything at the NFL level as a HC, I can't see the Giants meeting his demands. Mike Smith - Count me as someone who liked the idea of Smith prior to the McAdoo hire. In my opinion, Smith is unfairly criticized for the failure of the Falcons. His teams were always competitive. He had 5 winning seasons in 7 years. His failure was having a 1-4 playoff record. I'm shocked he has not had a second chance yet, especially considering he won 59% of his games. Frank Reich - Nice to see the former Bill and NFL legend rebound with the Eagles (did I just say that) after McCoy's staff collapsed in San Diego. When Reich was the QB coach for the Charges, Rivers had some of his best years. Would be a nice addition from an offensive/QB coaching perspective, but does he have the ability to be a Head Coach? Jeff McDaniels - I don't hold the time in Denver against him as much as others do. I thought his coaching was ok, but his performance selecting players is what sunk him. If he was our OC I might be comfortable promoting from within, but seems like too much of a risk. Who knows, he has a first class mind for offense, but can he be the Head Coach? Todd Haley - Very much not interested. Don't Be Fooled, The Future of Offense is Flexibility - ( New Window ) Excuse me, JOSH McDaniels Frank Reich is an NFL legend????

He was on that day in January of '93!

In comment 13682115 JonC said:

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rest of the list is interesting, but if only there was a stud out there.

JonC -- I always value your opinion. Why no to those two?

In comment 13682167 2ndroundKO said:

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In comment 13682115 JonC said: Quote: rest of the list is interesting, but if only there was a stud out there. JonC -- I always value your opinion. Why no to those two?

Didn't like the mental make up of their teams when in charge of the show, and they were very poor in-game managers, especially Haley.

In comment 13682060 Jim in Forest Hills said:

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I might just cry

Same here. Didn't like him on Hard Knocks and he hasn't exactly been great running the defense in Tampa Bay either (although they have had a lot of injuries).

Haley's players have despised him wherever he goes.

Mike Smith might be interesting.

For comparison's sake, Coughlin's is .531. In 8 years as HC Smith has two 13 win teams. Coughlin has 1 in 20.

The Giants could do a lot worse than Mike Smith.

just on the way Mara does things..non knee-jerk actions

Giants football. Not this candy ass shit they play now. Give me a defensive coach.

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Mine only.

Gotcha, which still counts for quite a lot.

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In comment 13682202 Go Terps said:

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That's really the key. I can handle a vet at HC ONLY if we are getting some big brains at OC. We have to use our weapons better and it shouldn't be this difficult.

In comment 13682162 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 13682150 gmenatlarge said: Quote: In comment 13682102 Emil said: Quote: In comment 13682100 Emil said: Quote: In preferential order: David Shaw - Big fan of his. Great leader, consistent, and flexible with his schemes. Highly doubt he is leaving Stanford for the NFL. If you haven't read Peter King's article on Shaw from 2013, I have linked it below. A must read. Teryl Austin - Highly respected Defensive coordinator. Made the interview rounds last two offseasons. Could be his time. Nick Saban - I hesitate to put him at #3, but his resume alone puts him high on the list. I don't see it happening. He won't leave Alabama without a big buyout, and won't return to the NFL unless he has a say in personnel. Considering he has never won anything at the NFL level as a HC, I can't see the Giants meeting his demands. Mike Smith - Count me as someone who liked the idea of Smith prior to the McAdoo hire. In my opinion, Smith is unfairly criticized for the failure of the Falcons. His teams were always competitive. He had 5 winning seasons in 7 years. His failure was having a 1-4 playoff record. I'm shocked he has not had a second chance yet, especially considering he won 59% of his games. Frank Reich - Nice to see the former Bill and NFL legend rebound with the Eagles (did I just say that) after McCoy's staff collapsed in San Diego. When Reich was the QB coach for the Charges, Rivers had some of his best years. Would be a nice addition from an offensive/QB coaching perspective, but does he have the ability to be a Head Coach? Jeff McDaniels - I don't hold the time in Denver against him as much as others do. I thought his coaching was ok, but his performance selecting players is what sunk him. If he was our OC I might be comfortable promoting from within, but seems like too much of a risk. Who knows, he has a first class mind for offense, but can he be the Head Coach? Todd Haley - Very much not interested. Don't Be Fooled, The Future of Offense is Flexibility - ( New Window ) Excuse me, JOSH McDaniels Frank Reich is an NFL legend???? He was on that day in January of '93!

Yup, he is. Frank Reich led the biggest come from behind win in NFL history. Overcoming a 32 point deficit to beat the Houston Oilers. That day is an NFL Hall of Fame moment and it might be 100 years before it is equaled. Pats only had to overcome 25 points in the Super Bowl.

after shanny left.

Or Steelers, Titans, Oilers - Mike Munchak.

Two OL guys. Or both in some configuration, or as roll players or what have you.

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I think the Giants hire Mike Smith. Not the most inspiring hire, as I stated earlier. He is a similar hire to Coughlin though. A retread with a bunch of wins and playoff appearances on his resume. Plus, he was going to be the guy until the Giants decided to promote McAdoo to "save" him from going to Philly.

Josh McDaniels is the most intriguing candidate for me. It's a matter of whether or not he wants to leave his situation in New England and whether or not he learned from his mistakes in Denver.

Lastly, I remember hearing that the Giants had always liked Brian Kelly of ND. He has done a great job with that program so maybe he gets considered.

is maybe he brings his great OL coach at Notre Dame, Harry Hiestand, with him.

''This past season, Morgan coached an offensive line that blocked for the NFL MVP, Matt Ryan. The offensive line was a major reason why the team averaged a league-high and franchise high 33.8 points per game. The Falcons broke the franchise record for most points scored in a season in Week 15, with the help of the offensive, when they scored 540 total points on the season, which tied them with the 2000 St. Louis Rams for the eighth most points scored in a season.
In 2016, the offensive line also helped block Ryan who threw for a career and franchise high 4,944 yards and 38 touchdowns. Ryan also had a career high 117.1 passer rating, which was the fifth best all-time passer rating. Morgan also helped coach center Alex Mack who was selected to his fourth Pro Bowl.
Morgan’s offensive line also helped pave the way for a rushing attack that racked up 1,928 yards on the season, which was fifth in the league in 2016. Under his guidance, the offensive line blocked for Devonta Freeman, who finished in the top 10 in rushing for the second year in a row, and made it to his second consecutive Pro Bowl.
During his first year, his offensive line helped produce the Falcons first 1,000 yard rusher since 2011, while giving up the eighth fewest sacks in the league last year. The offensive line also helped block for an offense that recorded 374.1 yards per game, which was seventh in the NFL.


Morgan spent the 2014 season as assistant offensive line coach for the Seattle Seahawks.

In 2014, Seattle used eight different starting combinations on the offensive line, including playoffs, and still led the NFL in rushing yards, recording a franchise-high 2,762 yards.

In addition to leading the League in rushing last season, the Seahawks offensive line also assisted in helping Seattle lead the NFL in explosive plays (135) and explosive running plays (61) while paving the way to Super Bowl XLIX.
Prior to arriving in Seattle, Morgan served as an assistant offensive line coach with the Washington Redskins (2011-13) and Oakland Raiders (2009-10). In 2012, Morgan helped direct a unit that rushed for a team-record 2,709 yards, marking the franchise’s first team rushing crown since 1933 and their clubs first NFC East title since 1999. Also during his time with the Redskins, tackle Trent Williams was selected to two consecutive Pro Bowls under Morgan’s guidance in 2012 and 2013.
In 2010, Oakland ranked 10th in the NFL in yards per game (356.6) and sixth in points per game (25.6). Prior to Oakland, Morgan spent the previous five seasons coaching at the high school level in his native Texas, serving as offensive line coach, special teams coordinator, offensive coordinator and assistant head coach at Westfield High School in Houston.
Morgan served as a graduate assistant and offensive line coach at the University of Idaho after two years as an assistant coach at Copperas Cove (Texas) High. He played offensive line at the University of Colorado from 1995-1999 and earned his master’s degree in educational leadership at Idaho.''

people under the bus with McAdoo, there's no way Brian Kelly would be an improvement in either of those areas. He's thrown college kids under the bus on multiple occasions (almost leading to a team mutiny once) and has refused to admit glaring coaching mistakes.

like Norv Turner or somebody.

Maybe someone can speak to WTF happened to Norvs career, he was a good one.

We could use an old cruster as OC for once. A real NFL guy.

As long as they have current idea capacity.