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| Once upon a time, there was a man who coached the Giants named Ray Handley, and he was terrible at his job. This doesn’t make him unique in the NFL, of course; every franchise can point to its own designated Kotites, Bugels and Shulas (David, that is). Not everyone can be Lombardi, Landry, or Shula (Don, that is). Of course, Handley wasn’t just terrible at coaching football; he was especially bad at coaching football in a big-city market. He was paranoid. He was humorless. He alienated players just about every day he was on the job. He got into absurd feuds with TV guys. (He feuded with RUSS SALZBERG, for crying out loud, which is like picking a fight with your best next-door neighbor). He was a fiasco here. But he would have been a fiasco in Chicago, in Los Angeles, in Philadelphia, in Boston — in any self-respecting sporting city that’s willing to forgive failure but will never tolerate unearned arrogance. Ben McAdoo isn’t that bad. He isn’t Ray Handley. (Here comes the “but” …) - more - |
Enough of this horseshit please.
Mcadoo deserves to be fired (and he will be). Reese/Ross are just as much if not more to blame.
Mcadoo deserves to be fired (and he will be). Reese/Ross are just as much if not more to blame.
Agree completely. If McAdoo gets canned and Reese/Ross & co survive it will be the same old shit. Reese should never have survived 2 years ago.
Nor a rookie head coach given the talent shortcomings this roster has and the poor player evaluation staff that lead to a grossly inaccurate perception (internal and external to the team) that the Giants could make a super bowl run in 2017.
The 2016 season masked a lot of team warts that are once again front and center in 2017.
McAdoo was not ready to be a head coach and was not given a support structure by the team to ensure he was successful.
He was dealt a bad hand, and the team has been "called" on that hand.
Enough of this horseshit please.
That team was probably running on fumes.......and an older group.
I think Handley was probably a good x's and o's guy. There's little question he was highly intelligent. Heck, the guy could count cards.
But he certainly didn't adapt to coaching in the biggest NFL market. And...just because you're smart and a good assistant doesn't make you a good HC.
Handley ran a championship team straight into the toilet.
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Ray Handley couldn't finish better than 8-8 with that team.
Enough of this horseshit please.
That team was probably running on fumes.......and an older group.
I think Handley was probably a good x's and o's guy. There's little question he was highly intelligent. Heck, the guy could count cards.
But he certainly didn't adapt to coaching in the biggest NFL market. And...just because you're smart and a good assistant doesn't make you a good HC.
The 1991 Giants were an aging team, but their failure to make the playoffs falls on Handley.
The team still had Phil Simms, who had been one of the most efficient passers in the league the year before. Handley decided to bench him in favor of Hostetler. He also institute a new defense that failed to take advantage of the unit's many talents.
The 1990 team won a Super Bowl, and the 1993 team went 1--5 and came one game away from winning home field advantage in the playoffs. In between, there were two years of .500 football or worse, and that falls on Handley.
Handley ran a championship team straight into the toilet.
I think they were kinda getting old, and with a new coach, it was like having a substitute teacher and the players basically took advantage. And Handley was unable to handle that part of it. He takes the blame for sure.
Plus, it's not uncommon for SB winning teams to have a down year the year after. The Giants were still 8-8.
Lost Mark Bavaro, Simms coming off injury (plus QB battle - which wasn't easy on the team), LT was getting near the end. Remember, he had slumped at the end of 1990 only to turn it on a bit in the playoffs.
Like others, my hope at this point is that the G’aints owners start with dismissing Reese and giving the new GM free choice in selecting an entirely new coaching staff. No one stays, not even the sleazy equipment managers.
He just shit all over McAdoo, with no mercy.
The press clearly despises McAdoo, and with good reason.
One thing people on Handley's side though is that the division was brutal. In '91 the Cowboys were coming on and in '92 they fully arrived. The Skins won it all in '91 and were still pretty good in '92. And the Eagles had those monster defenses.
It will be interesting to see how the players react going forward with the very difficult schedule. Forget about SF.
How will they perform against the likes of KC, Dallas, Philly and a prime time visit to DC?
Will the players play up to the competition or simply just fold?
I'm positive he knows his days are numbered and quitting isn't an option.
Tough spot to be in.
as encouraging as John McVay's going 3-4 in 1977 after replacing Arnsparger. That worked out well.
I think it was a couple of years prior that the Giants convinced him against quitting and going to law school. They apparently indicated that he (not Belichick) was in line for the head job if Parcells left.
In hindsight his flirtation with law school should have been a red flag. Most top coaches burn to coach and don't flirt with other careers.
Again, you don't have to pander to the media but you do have to be forthright with them. The NY media, especially, are smart enough to notice a phony when they see one and they see it in Mr. Slickback. Winning covers that up but once you start losing...then, yeah, they are vultures and go for your throat.
I've always wondered about when the coach brags about practices. If he brags about the offense, was it because the offense played great or because the defense was lousy?
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had to convince Handley to take the job. He was ready to retire and hit the casinos. He was supposed to be some kind of "Rainman" and was actually banned by some in Vegas..
I think it was a couple of years prior that the Giants convinced him against quitting and going to law school. They apparently indicated that he (not Belichick) was in line for the head job if Parcells left.
In hindsight his flirtation with law school should have been a red flag. Most top coaches burn to coach and don't flirt with other careers.
Oh I don't know...didn't Parcells actually leave the Giants to go sell insurance, then came back???
Exactly ... didn't a lot of us say this about a month ago?
Nor a rookie head coach given the talent shortcomings this roster has and the poor player evaluation staff that lead to a grossly inaccurate perception (internal and external to the team) that the Giants could make a super bowl run in 2017.
The 2016 season masked a lot of team warts that are once again front and center in 2017.
McAdoo was not ready to be a head coach and was not given a support structure by the team to ensure he was successful.
He was dealt a bad hand, and the team has been "called" on that hand.
I know this team needs upgrades at certain positions but, I would bet Parcells or Coughlin (or other great coaches) would have a 4-4 maybe even 5-3 record with the exact same roster (IMHO).
Cardinals maybe ....
2-14 looks doable 1-15 is not out of the question NFC East
foes smell blood ..
Enough of this horseshit please.
But Ray H was only hired after Bill purposefully left the Giants late.
Bill B may not have been hired if Parcells left at the end of the year but Handley most likely wouldn’t have even been interviewed for the HC job. Mara was pimping this clown after he was hired as the OC and freaked when “supposed” Eagles interest was leaked.
He’s clueless. Just in a different way than Handley. Two guys who should have never been hired. That’s the similarity