Trade question.
I normally never give a shit about trades, and I'm the last one to ever even give them a second thought. two teams agree, one of them is usually going to come out ahead, and I leave it at that.
this one has our league abuzz.
Father and son making the trade with each other to complicate things.
this is a keeper league, we keep 2.
Team A (out of contention, tanking, trading any of their remaining valuable players for draft picks or keeper caliber players, etc. happens every year).
Sends Todd Gurley and 14th round pick to team B
Team B (In contention)
Sends Zeke Elliott and a 7th round pick to team A
the picks are largely irrelevant, in a keeper league with two keepers 7th round picks are like 9th round picks and have the success rate of shooting darts at a dart board.
the problem is Team A is so bad they'll likely get the first pick in the draft meaning they wouldn't even need to keep Elliott if that was their motivation for making the trade, since they can just redraft him. The trade serves no purpose other than to make team b better. If team A got a meaningful pick like top 4 rounds or a player that you might not draft in round 1 but would keep (like Alvin Kamara for example - who one guys has right now as a 16th round keeper) then it would make sense.
I won't veto it or make a big deal out of it, but man it stinks to me.
Would you have a problem with this trade?
The trade itself, is fair.
So Seattle lost Sherman for the year and is getting pretty banged up. I have the Seattle Def. Should I add a second defense or roll with Seattle? The Eagles Def is available. A friend in my league just picked up the Rams def. He has Baltimore on a bye and might drop the Rams Def after this week. Should I wait and see if he drops them?
Seattle def after 10 weeks (with bye played) 109 points.
Philly def on bye this week has 107 points
Rams def (had bye already) has 120 and still plays this week.
The Batlimore Def has 144 point which makes me believe he will keep Baltimore and drop Rams.
2nd part
If I do pick up Philly this week, who to drop? Alex Collins or Alfred Morris? I picked Morris up to stop someone who has Elliott. Morris is the first back in Dallas. Not sure the use though.
Non ppr
Keeper leagues in fantasy football are stupid by the way.
So our draft order is reverse standings (which some people are pushing to change - me included - but that's another topic).
So he has a roster of players and he can keep any of them, but loses the draft round they were drafted in if he keeps them.
This year I kept Jordan Howard in the 8th round and Michael Thomas in the 11th, for example.
Team B had drafted Zeke in the 1st round, and trade him to team A. So team A can in fact keep Elliott and lose his 1st round pick if he does.
However, if you have the 1st pick in the draft it makes zero sense to keep a player that costs you your 1st round pick.
You keep two other players and use your 1st round pick to re-draft that player (or any other player).
Make sense?
Wouldn't trade RBs with upside for a 2nd one though. You can usually find a good streamer week of if need be.
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So the team that traded for Elliot can just not keep him and then pick him first. If they did keep him, they then lose that pick and they are guaranteed the 1st pick?
So our draft order is reverse standings (which some people are pushing to change - me included - but that's another topic).
So he has a roster of players and he can keep any of them, but loses the draft round they were drafted in if he keeps them.
This year I kept Jordan Howard in the 8th round and Michael Thomas in the 11th, for example.
Team B had drafted Zeke in the 1st round, and trade him to team A. So team A can in fact keep Elliott and lose his 1st round pick if he does.
However, if you have the 1st pick in the draft it makes zero sense to keep a player that costs you your 1st round pick.
You keep two other players and use your 1st round pick to re-draft that player (or any other player).
Make sense?
should reiterate he can keep any of the players (up to a maximum of 2)
ATL at home -Good matchup
@ SF- Great matchup
Phi - eh
@Jax - good matchup(playoffs)
Rams at home - good matchup(playoffs)
@ Dallas- bad matchup(playoffs)
I think I'd save the roster spot and roll with Seattle til that Dallas game.
I suppose its unfair but the league really screwed up having the deadline so late in the year. Playoffs are in two weeks.
I suppose its unfair but the league really screwed up having the deadline so late in the year. Playoffs are in two weeks.
Yeah, I had the third pick and took Mike Evans, the guy after me took Gurley with the 4th pick, at the time he was suspended, but the guy is a Cowboys fan and didn't care, figured worst case he'd keep Elliott (forever in our league).
Gurley was a 2nd round pick.
The trade deadline is the Yahoo default trade deadline, in 3 leagues I'm in, this is the deadline for all of them.
One league they want to get rid of a trade deadline completely. If you have a FAAB you could do well coaxing people to trade with you once the use up their budget.
2. Team A can make the case that having Elliot next year is a huge advantage and without this trade, he wouldn't be able to get Elliot(whether his father kept Elliot or he didn't get the first pick).
Wouldn't trade RBs with upside for a 2nd one though. You can usually find a good streamer week of if need be.
Does it matter that I have Hunt, Ajayi, and Hyde as my starter rbs and flex?
true, but if he doesn't get Elliott he'd be able to pick from Beckham, Julio Jones, David Johnson, or a few other "blue chip" players that will not be kept.
He's guaranteed a top 4 pick at this point based on his record, and since in the past week he has traded Russell Wilson, Doug Baldwin, and Todd Gurley for nobodies, he's more than likely going to get the top pick.
His RB's right now are Latavius Murray and Ty Montgomery, his WR's are Davante Adams and Chris Hogan.
His TE is Jordan Reed.
I am not going to make a big deal about the trade in the league like other guys are, but it is kind of bullshit trade. If you can't tell me how it at least helps your team I find the trade sketchy. The purpose of the trade shouldn't be to make the other team better. And the fact it's father and son makes it sketchier.
2. Team A can make the case that having Elliot next year is a huge advantage and without this trade, he wouldn't be able to get Elliot(whether his father kept Elliot or he didn't get the first pick).
Exactly... if team A doesn't make the trade, Team B likely keeps Elliott with his late 1st round pick and thus team A doesn't have Elliott as an option with the presumable #1 overall pick. By trading for and not keeping Elliott, team A ensures that Elliott is there to pick at 1 overall.
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1. Value wise, it's fair.
2. Team A can make the case that having Elliot next year is a huge advantage and without this trade, he wouldn't be able to get Elliot(whether his father kept Elliot or he didn't get the first pick).
Exactly... if team A doesn't make the trade, Team B likely keeps Elliott with his late 1st round pick and thus team A doesn't have Elliott as an option with the presumable #1 overall pick. By trading for and not keeping Elliott, team A ensures that Elliott is there to pick at 1 overall.
yes, at that point it's personal preference, but it could be that he was better off keeping Gurley (who has been better in my league than Elliott) in the 2nd and another player from his roster and using the #1 pick on Beckham or David Johnson, etc.
I wouldn't veto the trade, but it's not a good trade IMO
The only counterargument I could see is that Team A could do the same thing with Gurley - ie not keep him and then draft him at 1 overall. I could easily argue that Gurley + 14.12 is not as valuable as Elliott + 7.12 though so I'm not sure what the reason to veto this deal is based on the keeper rules.
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1. Value wise, it's fair.
2. Team A can make the case that having Elliot next year is a huge advantage and without this trade, he wouldn't be able to get Elliot(whether his father kept Elliot or he didn't get the first pick).
Exactly... if team A doesn't make the trade, Team B likely keeps Elliott with his late 1st round pick and thus team A doesn't have Elliott as an option with the presumable #1 overall pick. By trading for and not keeping Elliott, team A ensures that Elliott is there to pick at 1 overall.
yes, at that point it's personal preference, but it could be that he was better off keeping Gurley (who has been better in my league than Elliott) in the 2nd and another player from his roster and using the #1 pick on Beckham or David Johnson, etc.
I wouldn't veto the trade, but it's not a good trade IMO
hmm, in that light I'd rather keep Gurley at 2.12 and then draft OBJ/DJ at 1.1 (assuming they aren't kept). Still wouldn't veto the trade, though that definitely swings it in team B's favor to me - especially since they can keep Gurley at 2.1 then (assuming they get the last pick of course).
In another league, in situations like this, the commissioner will make them alter the trade to go through. For example, he might say to the father and son.....the whole league has a problem with this trade and feels like the father is taking advantage of the kid. Make the draft pick a 4th rounder or we have to reject it.
Here is our 7th round from last year:
Willie Snead
Eli Manning
Andrew Luck
Darren McFadden
Stefon Diggs
Spencer Ware
Jordy Nelson (keeper)
Delanie Walker
Emmanuel Sanders
Kirk Cousins
Pierre Garcon
Adrian Peterson
maybe 3 of the 12 have had an impact including Nelson who was a keeper (a guy drafted him in the 14th round when he tore his ACL in August 2015 and kept him rostered all year to get him for a 14th in 2016 and a 7th in 2017).
Here is our 7th round from last year:
Willie Snead
Eli Manning
Andrew Luck
Darren McFadden
Stefon Diggs
Spencer Ware
Jordy Nelson (keeper)
Delanie Walker
Emmanuel Sanders
Kirk Cousins
Pierre Garcon
Adrian Peterson
maybe 3 of the 12 have had an impact including Nelson who was a keeper (a guy drafted him in the 14th round when he tore his ACL in August 2015 and kept him rostered all year to get him for a 14th in 2016 and a 7th in 2017).
Impact or not, that's not dissimilar to a non-keeper league 7th round. From the BBI league draft:
Jeremy Maclin
Brandon Marshall
Paul Perkins
Terrance West
Pierre Garcon
Emmanuel Sanders
Stefon Diggs
Eric Decker
Rob Kelley
Chris Hogan
Mike Gillislee
Frank Gore
Lot of the same players, and some were taken in yours that were already gone in the BBI draft (Delanie and AP)
Goodwin, Celek, Hyde come on down!
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but no, they're not like a 7th round pick in a re-draft. Because it's a 12-team keeper league and every team has to keep 2 players, it really makes the 7th round like a normal 9th round (darts on a dart board).
Here is our 7th round from last year:
Willie Snead
Eli Manning
Andrew Luck
Darren McFadden
Stefon Diggs
Spencer Ware
Jordy Nelson (keeper)
Delanie Walker
Emmanuel Sanders
Kirk Cousins
Pierre Garcon
Adrian Peterson
maybe 3 of the 12 have had an impact including Nelson who was a keeper (a guy drafted him in the 14th round when he tore his ACL in August 2015 and kept him rostered all year to get him for a 14th in 2016 and a 7th in 2017).
Impact or not, that's not dissimilar to a non-keeper league 7th round. From the BBI league draft:
Jeremy Maclin
Brandon Marshall
Paul Perkins
Terrance West
Pierre Garcon
Emmanuel Sanders
Stefon Diggs
Eric Decker
Rob Kelley
Chris Hogan
Mike Gillislee
Frank Gore
Lot of the same players, and some were taken in yours that were already gone in the BBI draft (Delanie and AP)
TRIGGERED.
I had Diggs queued up and ready to draft and UConn snaked him from me the pick before.
My other major fuck up was choosing Tyrell Williams over Theilen. I already had Theilen in another league so I decided to hedge a bit. Either of those players would have helped quite a bit considering I've already dropped both of the players I took in their place (Decker, Williams)
Can't really complain too much, though. 7-2 and top dog in points I believe.
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In comment 13684832 pjcas18 said:
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but no, they're not like a 7th round pick in a re-draft. Because it's a 12-team keeper league and every team has to keep 2 players, it really makes the 7th round like a normal 9th round (darts on a dart board).
Here is our 7th round from last year:
Willie Snead
Eli Manning
Andrew Luck
Darren McFadden
Stefon Diggs
Spencer Ware
Jordy Nelson (keeper)
Delanie Walker
Emmanuel Sanders
Kirk Cousins
Pierre Garcon
Adrian Peterson
maybe 3 of the 12 have had an impact including Nelson who was a keeper (a guy drafted him in the 14th round when he tore his ACL in August 2015 and kept him rostered all year to get him for a 14th in 2016 and a 7th in 2017).
Impact or not, that's not dissimilar to a non-keeper league 7th round. From the BBI league draft:
Jeremy Maclin
Brandon Marshall
Paul Perkins
Terrance West
Pierre Garcon
Emmanuel Sanders
Stefon Diggs
Eric Decker
Rob Kelley
Chris Hogan
Mike Gillislee
Frank Gore
Lot of the same players, and some were taken in yours that were already gone in the BBI draft (Delanie and AP)
TRIGGERED.
I had Diggs queued up and ready to draft and UConn snaked him from me the pick before.
My other major fuck up was choosing Tyrell Williams over Theilen. I already had Theilen in another league so I decided to hedge a bit. Either of those players would have helped quite a bit considering I've already dropped both of the players I took in their place (Decker, Williams)
Can't really complain too much, though. 7-2 and top dog in points I believe.
By 3 points after a week when I was missing half my team to byes... should revert back after this week with Kelce/Hunt out for you.
Nevertheless, remember where that 1 loss came from, grasshopper!
Nevertheless, remember where that 1 loss came from, grasshopper!
That loss will be my team's motivation should we meet in the playoffs.
Jordy Nelson
Devin Funchess
Chris Thompson
Thanks
Jordy Nelson
Devin Funchess
Chris Thompson
Thanks
My advice would be to root for injuries on the other team.
Nelson and Funchess I guess. Minnesota has been ridiculously stingy vs pass catching RBs.
This does two things..
1. It keeps most of the top tier players in the mix for the draft.
2. Eventually, people stop keeping certain players if the cost to keep them the following year exceeds their value.
3 This trade would not have happened in your league if one of the teams had to give up MORE next year to keep Zeke.
Finally, you could implement a rule next year which prevent trades of players who are either suspended or on injured reserve.