I have a hard time seeing how well he fits in with the Yanks, given that he wants to play the field along with pitching, and he's an outfielder. We already have a glut of those as it is, and we also are in a good position to rotate guys as DH. Not saying don't do it, just that I don't see it as an easy fit with the Yanks.
hoping he is content being a DH. With Holliday not coming back, the position is open. From what I hear is a very good athlete. Heard the other day, he is as fast as Trout.
RE: I know there's a lot of excitement about Otani but
I have a hard time seeing how well he fits in with the Yanks, given that he wants to play the field along with pitching, and he's an outfielder. We already have a glut of those as it is, and we also are in a good position to rotate guys as DH. Not saying don't do it, just that I don't see it as an easy fit with the Yanks.
I imagine (without knowing whatever he may have said about it) that he'd be content with DH'ing rather than playing the outfield. Quite frankly, if he turns out to be a legit pitcher I doubt many teams would be willing to use him as a semi-regular outfielder on his off days.
RE: I know there's a lot of excitement about Otani but
I have a hard time seeing how well he fits in with the Yanks, given that he wants to play the field along with pitching, and he's an outfielder. We already have a glut of those as it is, and we also are in a good position to rotate guys as DH. Not saying don't do it, just that I don't see it as an easy fit with the Yanks.
Del , kid was better than tanaka, darvish , and matsuzaka. You make it work. DH him a few games a week.their DH was a black hole 2nd half of season. He slots into number 2 behind sevy.
I have a hard time seeing how well he fits in with the Yanks, given that he wants to play the field along with pitching, and he's an outfielder. We already have a glut of those as it is, and we also are in a good position to rotate guys as DH. Not saying don't do it, just that I don't see it as an easy fit with the Yanks.
Del , kid was better than tanaka, darvish , and matsuzaka. You make it work. DH him a few games a week.their DH was a black hole 2nd half of season. He slots into number 2 behind sevy.
Damn he's that good as a pitcher????
We NEED this guy! He's just 23! Wow
I'm reading he had a start he threw 31 pitches between 99-101 mph
that he wouldnt dh the day he pitched and the day after, still leaving days for them to rotate sanchez, judge, and anyone else they want to keep fresh.
They would have to move Ellsbury and Gardner though, Hicks and Frazier neex to be given the opportunites to play every day.
Just the posting fee to his team, the international bonus money (about $3.5MM) and then he makes the rookie minimum, same as Judge, Sanchez, etc. So he fits perfectly into their luxury tax plans as well
Just the posting fee to his team, the international bonus money (about $3.5MM) and then he makes the rookie minimum, same as Judge, Sanchez, etc. So he fits perfectly into their luxury tax plans as well
Yeah, that's the beauty of it - you may be adding a stud pitcher who gets paid like a fifth starter, at least for a little while. And if he's a total bust, it's not some albatross contract.
they need to get done. It's a perfect fit roster wise, perfect fit in that he lines up age wise with the other young guys on the team and a fit financially when they're trying to save money this season. Even the DH spot should be open regularly for him. The only reason it wouldn't happen is if Otani just doesn't want to be a Yankee for some reason.
Heard someone on one of the Sirius channels yesterday
say he thinks the Dodgers and Rangers will be the front runners, while the Yanks will also be in th mix. Didnt cite any source or evidence why he made that claim, could be as simple as those teams have ties to Japan too.
If the Yanks are serious about pursuing him I cant see why anyone would be more of a front runner than them
say he thinks the Dodgers and Rangers will be the front runners, while the Yanks will also be in th mix. Didnt cite any source or evidence why he made that claim, could be as simple as those teams have ties to Japan too.
If the Yanks are serious about pursuing him I cant see why anyone would be more of a front runner than them
Texas can give him the largest signing bonus, but the Yankees are right behind them and I can't see him preferring Texas to the Yanks.
Dodgers are obviously a very attractive market and team for him but their signing bonus amount is much less than Texas or the Yankees. These bonus amount calculations are very complicated - some teams are in a penalty situation whereas the Yanks actually traded a couple of guys this year for extra bonus money, if you'll recall.
Eight teams have the ability to pay Ohtani a signing bonus of more than $1 million: the Rangers ($3.535M), Yankees ($3.5M), Pirates ($2.27M), Twins ($1.895M), D-Backs ($1.87M), Marlins ($1.74M), Tigers ($1.072M) and Mariners ($1.056M).
Conversely, 12 teams are prohibited from giving a signing bonus of more than $300,000 as a penalty for exceeding their bonus pools under the previous Collective Bargaining Agreement: the As, Astros, Braves, Cardinals, Cubs, Dodgers, Giants, Nationals, Padres, Reds, Royals and White Sox.
Yankees against Texas for Otani seems like a solid guess Link - ( New Window )
Something important to keep in mind- after Darvish was traded, there were several reports that he and the Rangers had some behind the scenes difficulties. That MIGHT come into play, as it is a near certainty that he will talk to other Japanese players who have come stateside before him.
Thats crazy talk. Hes a pitcher first and only. He can bat when they play in the NL parks. Now, maybe a smaller market NL team could really lure him with a promise of pinch hitting or even X amount of games per season in the field when not pitching.
RE: Otani would never be used as a DH or fielder by the Yanks
Thats crazy talk. Hes a pitcher first and only. He can bat when they play in the NL parks. Now, maybe a smaller market NL team could really lure him with a promise of pinch hitting or even X amount of games per season in the field when not pitching.
If you're right (and I don't know if you are), this gets back to what I said in my first post at the beginning of this thread - Yanks may not be the right fit. I think he wants to continue as a two-way player.
say he thinks the Dodgers and Rangers will be the front runners, while the Yanks will also be in th mix. Didnt cite any source or evidence why he made that claim, could be as simple as those teams have ties to Japan too.
If the Yanks are serious about pursuing him I cant see why anyone would be more of a front runner than them
Texas can give him the largest signing bonus, but the Yankees are right behind them and I can't see him preferring Texas to the Yanks.
Dodgers are obviously a very attractive market and team for him but their signing bonus amount is much less than Texas or the Yankees. These bonus amount calculations are very complicated - some teams are in a penalty situation whereas the Yanks actually traded a couple of guys this year for extra bonus money, if you'll recall.
not to allow him to continue his hitting in some capacity. There are 20 interleague games per season - so that's 10 away games in NL parks, and depending on the rotation you could line Otani up to start 3 or 4 of them. Why let his batting ability wither when it could be a big advantage in those games? And the same holds true for the World Series - yeah, you're not guaranteed to make it, but the Yanks almost just did and it's obviously their goal. If he never hits other than in those 5 or 6 games per year, those skills will diminish a lot (IMO), whereas if he keeps those skills up they could be a difference-maker.
RE: Otani would never be used as a DH or fielder by the Yanks
Thats crazy talk. Hes a pitcher first and only. He can bat when they play in the NL parks. Now, maybe a smaller market NL team could really lure him with a promise of pinch hitting or even X amount of games per season in the field when not pitching.
Silly to make such a definitive statement. I think there's a good chance the Yankees give him a chance to hit
Thats crazy talk. Hes a pitcher first and only. He can bat when they play in the NL parks. Now, maybe a smaller market NL team could really lure him with a promise of pinch hitting or even X amount of games per season in the field when not pitching.
Silly to make such a definitive statement. I think there's a good chance the Yankees give him a chance to hit
Ill concede that if he does end up signing with the Yankees its probably due to their willingness to let him do more than infrequently pinch hit. My heart says Id love to sign him and see what he brings at the plate, but my head tells me that CMW derailed a pretty promising career. I think MadBum could potentially be an apt comparison if Otani is really that good of a hitter (possibly better than MadBum, I️ really dont know how special he is TBH). How often does SF use MB as anything but an occasional pinch hitter? If signing Otani, you better view him as a potential ace that dare not get hurt messing around with a side project.
In over 300 plate appearances. Pretty beastly. Still would t want to overuse him as a 2 way player if indeed he really is a legit MLB ace. Interesting scenario to be sure
No team can literally guarantee him at bats or time in the field, all they can do is guarantee him the opportunity to compete for at bats and time in the field. The same goes for innings pitched as well. The only guarantees you can give are money and opportunity. And I don't see a problem with giving him the opportunity to prove he can DH vs right-handers on days when he isn't pitching.
Otani to the Yankees seems like a no-brainer for both sides.
I imagine (without knowing whatever he may have said about it) that he'd be content with DH'ing rather than playing the outfield. Quite frankly, if he turns out to be a legit pitcher I doubt many teams would be willing to use him as a semi-regular outfielder on his off days.
Del , kid was better than tanaka, darvish , and matsuzaka. You make it work. DH him a few games a week.their DH was a black hole 2nd half of season. He slots into number 2 behind sevy.
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I have a hard time seeing how well he fits in with the Yanks, given that he wants to play the field along with pitching, and he's an outfielder. We already have a glut of those as it is, and we also are in a good position to rotate guys as DH. Not saying don't do it, just that I don't see it as an easy fit with the Yanks.
Del , kid was better than tanaka, darvish , and matsuzaka. You make it work. DH him a few games a week.their DH was a black hole 2nd half of season. He slots into number 2 behind sevy.
Damn he's that good as a pitcher????
We NEED this guy! He's just 23! Wow
Sounds like Babe Ruth
Sounds like Babe Ruth
Just as fast Mike Trout too
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They would have to move Ellsbury and Gardner though, Hicks and Frazier neex to be given the opportunites to play every day.
Yeah, that's the beauty of it - you may be adding a stud pitcher who gets paid like a fifth starter, at least for a little while. And if he's a total bust, it's not some albatross contract.
If the Yanks are serious about pursuing him I cant see why anyone would be more of a front runner than them
I actually hope it happens because then I could say I saw it, but I have some serious doubts.
I'm kind of a pessimist by nature though...
If the Yanks are serious about pursuing him I cant see why anyone would be more of a front runner than them
Texas can give him the largest signing bonus, but the Yankees are right behind them and I can't see him preferring Texas to the Yanks.
Dodgers are obviously a very attractive market and team for him but their signing bonus amount is much less than Texas or the Yankees. These bonus amount calculations are very complicated - some teams are in a penalty situation whereas the Yanks actually traded a couple of guys this year for extra bonus money, if you'll recall.
Conversely, 12 teams are prohibited from giving a signing bonus of more than $300,000 as a penalty for exceeding their bonus pools under the previous Collective Bargaining Agreement: the As, Astros, Braves, Cardinals, Cubs, Dodgers, Giants, Nationals, Padres, Reds, Royals and White Sox.
Yankees against Texas for Otani seems like a solid guess
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Something important to keep in mind- after Darvish was traded, there were several reports that he and the Rangers had some behind the scenes difficulties. That MIGHT come into play, as it is a near certainty that he will talk to other Japanese players who have come stateside before him.
This isn't true.
He played 54 games in the OF in 2014 and 8 in 2014. He has also played a number of games in the OF in International competitions.
If you're right (and I don't know if you are), this gets back to what I said in my first post at the beginning of this thread - Yanks may not be the right fit. I think he wants to continue as a two-way player.
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say he thinks the Dodgers and Rangers will be the front runners, while the Yanks will also be in th mix. Didnt cite any source or evidence why he made that claim, could be as simple as those teams have ties to Japan too.
If the Yanks are serious about pursuing him I cant see why anyone would be more of a front runner than them
Texas can give him the largest signing bonus, but the Yankees are right behind them and I can't see him preferring Texas to the Yanks.
Dodgers are obviously a very attractive market and team for him but their signing bonus amount is much less than Texas or the Yankees. These bonus amount calculations are very complicated - some teams are in a penalty situation whereas the Yanks actually traded a couple of guys this year for extra bonus money, if you'll recall.
Makes sense, thanks
Silly to make such a definitive statement. I think there's a good chance the Yankees give him a chance to hit
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And only 3 or so times a week. Not the day before or the day after a start.
This isn't true.
He played 54 games in the OF in 2014 and 8 in 2014. He has also played a number of games in the OF in International competitions.
We're talking about the last 2 years. 2014 is ancient history.
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Thats crazy talk. Hes a pitcher first and only. He can bat when they play in the NL parks. Now, maybe a smaller market NL team could really lure him with a promise of pinch hitting or even X amount of games per season in the field when not pitching.
Silly to make such a definitive statement. I think there's a good chance the Yankees give him a chance to hit
Day 1 - Start
Day 2 - Sit, maybe pinch hit
Day 3 - DH if the opposing starter is RH
Day 4 - DH if the opposing starter is RH
Day 5 - Sit
Day 6 - Start
Day 1 - Start
Day 2 - Sit, maybe pinch hit
Day 3 - DH if the opposing starter is RH
Day 4 - DH if the opposing starter is RH
Day 5 - Sit
Day 6 - Start
Del...Don't leave us in suspense. What happens on Day 7?
;>)
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the opposing starter is a RHP. Like this:
Day 1 - Start
Day 2 - Sit, maybe pinch hit
Day 3 - DH if the opposing starter is RH
Day 4 - DH if the opposing starter is RH
Day 5 - Sit
Day 6 - Start
Del...Don't leave us in suspense. What happens on Day 7?
;>)
C'mon, you know - the Yanks win the WS in a thriller!
Otani to the Yankees seems like a no-brainer for both sides.