I've respected the work of Jon Stewert for some time, and his takedown of Crossfire 13 years ago is still one of the best comedy-trumps-political commentary moments in my adult life. He's missed from the Daily show dearly. But...
This clip from over a year ago shows an audience member questioning Stewert about what role fellow comedians might have in responding to sexual assault allegations in the industry - and his reaction is just so disgustingly typical. Reminds me of the barbara walters moment with corey feldman in some ways. "You're talking about an entire industry here" - get out of here with this shit.
Now I'm not comparing pedophilia to public masturbation - what I'm really driving at is the form and effect of Stewert's reaction, his facial expression, and laughing it off - is this knee jerk urge to protect, defend, and play dumb about the reality of the situation when confronted. Maybe he never knew about it - fine, that's fair - but his 'performance' through body language and answer to joke off the question as though the question was coming from a place of lunacy is now looking like a really shallow, thoughtless, and damaging pattern of behavior. After Cosby, I would think treating the question like a joke and essentially attacking the credibility of the source would not be seen as best practices.
It's tough because you can't just take everyone at their word who sends out a tweet, but on the other hand in this climate how can you ignore them? Social media is giving a voice, and community almost, certainly a support network to leverage these claims and get the necessary attention behind it. how many more stories are we going to hear about? How many charges are yet to be filed?
But the knee jerk reaction to protect the forward movement of that gravy train with all its faults - really just disgusting. look at his face, read his eyes. You will never get a better closeup of someone 'acting' like you're asking them a crazy question to avoid an answer.
crazy times
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When the comedy show (either left or right) becomes a constant and daily hit job on one side of the political spectrum then it's not a comedy show, it's a mouthpiece for an agenda.
Remember the Daily Show with Craig Kilborn? It was hilarious because it was just funny for the sake of being funny; not trying to inject comedy into politics.
When the comedy show (either left or right) becomes a constant and daily hit job on one side of the political spectrum then it's not a comedy show, it's a mouthpiece for an agenda.
Remember the Daily Show with Craig Kilborn? It was hilarious because it was just funny for the sake of being funny; not trying to inject comedy into politics.
Has nothing to do with the thread, so once again you're just looking for a spot to inject your view on politics in a thread.
Additionally, Stewart launched plenty of jokes and jabs at the left, despite being an obvious liberal himself.
he probably did know - the first article about this came out in 2012. his response was he didn't know.
many of these people are all managed by the same crew. Aziz Ansari refused to talk about it in 2015 when interviewed and asked.
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Just from Hollywood and Washington?
No fuckin' way.
Am I saying there are rapists and abusers and pedophiles all over the place, among us all the time? Including people we admire and resped?
From the number of women I know who have been groped, abused, raped and molested, hell yes. And now we know it's men, too.
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way? Ok. Great thread.
he probably did know - the first article about this came out in 2012. his response was he didn't know.
many of these people are all managed by the same crew. Aziz Ansari refused to talk about it in 2015 when interviewed and asked. Link - ( New Window )
Considering it was fairly known in those circles I am pretty sure he was aware. The way he laughed it off sure seemed like and UMMM moment. But, whatever, these guys all cover for each other.
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I never ever respected any of the political commentators who masqueraded as comedians, and Jon Stewart was the leader of the pack. If you want to be a comedian then be a comedian. Make people laugh with jokes. If you want your jokes to be political at times I am all for it.
When the comedy show (either left or right) becomes a constant and daily hit job on one side of the political spectrum then it's not a comedy show, it's a mouthpiece for an agenda.
Remember the Daily Show with Craig Kilborn? It was hilarious because it was just funny for the sake of being funny; not trying to inject comedy into politics.
Has nothing to do with the thread, so once again you're just looking for a spot to inject your view on politics in a thread.
Additionally, Stewart launched plenty of jokes and jabs at the left, despite being an obvious liberal himself.
READING IS FUNDAMENTAL- John Starks.
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"I've respected the work of Jon Stewert for some time"
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"I've never ever respected John Stewart".
Yes- completely unrelated. I even went out of my way to make it non-partisan by blaming both sides.
The level of obtuseness and sensitivity that people have now is absolutely mind boggling. It's like people are going out of their way to pick a fight. Over what?
you will never get a better performance of a non-answer than that.
Shining a light on the rampant sexual abuse in the entertainment industry (and others) is long overdue, but I'm a little concerned that we are starting to convict people of guilt by association. It's not Jon Stewart's fault that Louis CK is a perv.
Now if someone has evidence that Jon Stewart knew and did nothing about it, then he's fair game. Right now it feels like piling on.
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way? Ok. Great thread.
he probably did know - the first article about this came out in 2012. his response was he didn't know.
many of these people are all managed by the same crew. Aziz Ansari refused to talk about it in 2015 when interviewed and asked. Link - ( New Window )
So the working assumption here is that Jon Stewart has read every article that's out about everything? Or maybe you guys can detect lies in youtube videos. I can't. It's pretty plausible to me that he didn't know about it. Or at least, plausible enough to pass muster.
It's just weird to take this CK thing and try to turn it into something about Stewart based on this answer. Great thread.
It’s more about the support network that willingly turns a blind eye to these situations. We’re seeing all over the place the last two weeks just how pervasive this behavior is.
I was in a band in mid 90s for a little while we had a manager that managed a few big acts - I literally knew nothing of our managers business with other acts
never met any of them except once time when my band opened for one the acts.
If somebody told me that one of my good friends had done something like that, I probably wouldn't believe it, either.
It’s more about the support network that willingly turns a blind eye to these situations. We’re seeing all over the place the last two weeks just how pervasive this behavior is.
That's fine, but how do you know Jon Stewart was turning a blind eye? Maybe, as he claims in his answer, it was the first he had heard any of this. Just because it was an "open secret" doesn't mean that everyone is in on it. I think you're making way too much out of someone understandably uncomfortable with a question about a long-time friend.
I am willing to give stewart the benefit of the doubt that he did not know the details about the alleged incidents and that even if he heard rumors, he's not in any way responsible for Louis CK as a boss or in any other legal respect to investigate and determine the accuracy of those allegations.
When the comedy show (either left or right) becomes a constant and daily hit job on one side of the political spectrum then it's not a comedy show, it's a mouthpiece for an agenda.
Remember the Daily Show with Craig Kilborn? It was hilarious because it was just funny for the sake of being funny; not trying to inject comedy into politics.
Lol. You are the one person who thinks TDS with Kilborn was anywhere near Stewarts level.
Does Maher "masquerade as a comedian"? Is he a political commentator? Who says they have to be mutually exclusive - you?
Stewart's point was always that he was a comedy show on a comedy channel. Political comedy is nothing new, and there have been political cartoons for centuries.
Why don't you just come clean and admit you don't like his politics, so you found a bone to pick with him.
As for Stewart, who knows what he did or didn't know, but he hasn't exactly been in the stand-up game for a really really long time.
Yes the comedy world is insular, but the stand-up world is an even more insular subsect of that.
There are some guys I'd hear bad stories about -- not all of those stories have come out, and not all of those guys have been publicly outed as abusers -- but not all of the guys we're hearing about. Different information was in different circles. Some things were "open secrets" or "common knowledge" in some quarters, totally unknown in others.
In the 1990s, I heard a producer I once worked for make a snarky remark about Bill Cosby holding comedy seminars with a dozen Asian models. So I was aware he had an unwholesome side. But I wasn't aware of the rape/drugging thing. Other people were, though. In those days, the Web was new, it wasn't simply a matter of Googling "Bill Cosby rape allegations." You had to hear about it from someone else who knew.
Everybody, including the outlet I work for, was chasing the Harvey Weinstein story for YEARS, but we couldn't get people on the record. That was the great accomplishment of the NYT team and Ronan Farrow. Bill O'Reilly's sexual misconduct was semi-public for years (Some of that stuff was public long ago) but Fox News wouldn't take action. I didn't hear about Ailes but I didn't move in those circles or cover the news media.
I've heard a story about one of these guys in the news so bad I can't even put it on this board anonymously. The guy's been outed but the story hasn't hit the news yet. It may come out. Bottom line: if the story is true, he's a violent rapist.
So now it's Louis C.K. I hadn't heard about him. I can believe that Jon Stewart hadn't, either. Or maybe he knew there were whispers but didn't think about them much. Or maybe he sort of knew but didn't get it. Looking back, I feel like that's been true of a lot of people in the business and who cover the business, including me -- we sort of knew, or heard stuff, but there was nothing solid, so we just put it aside and did our jobs and assumed that it couldn't be TOO bad, or it'd be more of a thing.
I think that's human nature, but it's a flaw in human nature. If you're a Douglas Adams fan, think of an SEP field. (To make something invisible, make it Someone Else's Problem.) On the other hand, they say about the Mafia that it's not what you know, but what you can prove, that will get you killed. You can know this guy pulled the trigger on that guy, but if you can't prove it, it ain't nuthin'. A lot of that with these rape/harassment/abuse stories. We heard this guy is a pig with women, does horrible stuff, but we heard it second or third or 100th-hand. I'm not sure what else we could have done, but I'm pretty sure the answer isn't "nothing."
I am willing to give stewart the benefit of the doubt that he did not know the details about the alleged incidents and that even if he heard rumors, he's not in any way responsible for Louis CK as a boss or in any other legal respect to investigate and determine the accuracy of those allegations.
i disagree. i think he was aware and decided to ignore it. based on his body language and the way he willingly distorted claims of female comedians to "the internet says" is a clear choice he made to defend his friend and colleague of 3 decades.
again it's not pedophilia - still disturbing. and now it's admitted. his manager knew -- "Dave Becky who only tried to mediate a situation that I caused"
it's not just a rumor:
"I want to address the stories told to The New York Times by five women named Abby, Rebecca, Dana, Julia who felt able to name themselves and one who did not.
These stories are true. At the time, I said to myself that what I did was O.K. because I never showed a woman my dick without asking first, which is also true. But what I learned later in life, too late, is that when you have power over another person, asking them to look at your dick isn’t a question. It’s a predicament for them. The power I had over these women is that they admired me. And I wielded that power irresponsibly. I have been remorseful of my actions. And I’ve tried to learn from them. And run from them. Now I’m aware of the extent of the impact of my actions. I learned yesterday the extent to which I left these women who admired me feeling badly about themselves and cautious around other men who would never have put them in that position. I also took advantage of the fact that I was widely admired in my and their community, which disabled them from sharing their story and brought hardship to them when they tried because people who look up to me didn’t want to hear it. I didn’t think that I was doing any of that because my position allowed me not to think about it. There is nothing about this that I forgive myself for. And I have to reconcile it with who I am. Which is nothing compared to the task I left them with. I wish I had reacted to their admiration of me by being a good example to them as a man and given them some guidance as a comedian, including because I admired their work.
The hardest regret to live with is what you’ve done to hurt someone else. And I can hardly wrap my head around the scope of hurt I brought on them. I’d be remiss to exclude the hurt that I’ve brought on people who I work with and have worked with who’s professional and personal lives have been impacted by all of this, including projects currently in production: the cast and crew of Better Things, Baskets, The Cops, One Mississippi, and I Love You, Daddy. I deeply regret that this has brought negative attention to my manager Dave Becky who only tried to mediate a situation that I caused. I’ve brought anguish and hardship to the people at FX who have given me so much The Orchard who took a chance on my movie. and every other entity that has bet on me through the years. I’ve brought pain to my family, my friends, my children and their mother.
I have spent my long and lucky career talking and saying anything I want. I will now step back and take a long time to listen. Thank you for reading."
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I never ever respected any of the political commentators who masqueraded as comedians, and Jon Stewart was the leader of the pack. If you want to be a comedian then be a comedian. Make people laugh with jokes. If you want your jokes to be political at times I am all for it.
When the comedy show (either left or right) becomes a constant and daily hit job on one side of the political spectrum then it's not a comedy show, it's a mouthpiece for an agenda.
Remember the Daily Show with Craig Kilborn? It was hilarious because it was just funny for the sake of being funny; not trying to inject comedy into politics.
Lol. You are the one person who thinks TDS with Kilborn was anywhere near Stewarts level.
Does Maher "masquerade as a comedian"? Is he a political commentator? Who says they have to be mutually exclusive - you?
Stewart's point was always that he was a comedy show on a comedy channel. Political comedy is nothing new, and there have been political cartoons for centuries.
Why don't you just come clean and admit you don't like his politics, so you found a bone to pick with him.
As for Stewart, who knows what he did or didn't know, but he hasn't exactly been in the stand-up game for a really really long time.
Yes the comedy world is insular, but the stand-up world is an even more insular subsect of that.
I loved the Kilborn daily show because it was JUST FUNNY. It didn't have an agenda. It was just abusing everyone- kind of like how SNL used to be.
Once again it's not about the politics. Have any of you ever come across the Greg Gutfeld Show on Fox News (I think it's on the weekend). It's BRUTAL. Cringe worthy just like The Daily Show. They parade this weird panel out there and call it comedy but it's not- it's like Hannity with a live audience and a light up LAUGH sign.
Why does everyone immediately get so sensitive to their political position? What kind of life is that to walk around all day going out of your way looking to be offended by someone's politics?
This isn't a partisan political post. Jon Stewart is a funny comedian but I don't appreciate masquerading a one sided political satirical hit piece show as a "Comedy show". That's just stupid. Maher is just a pompous asswipe- politics aside.
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was laughing off the fact that he should have known about the twitter, gawker and other internet rumors of Louis CK given he is a noted luddite not laughing about the harassment allegations themselves.
I am willing to give stewart the benefit of the doubt that he did not know the details about the alleged incidents and that even if he heard rumors, he's not in any way responsible for Louis CK as a boss or in any other legal respect to investigate and determine the accuracy of those allegations.
i disagree. i think he was aware and decided to ignore it. based on his body language and the way he willingly distorted claims of female comedians to "the internet says" is a clear choice he made to defend his friend and colleague of 3 decades.
again it's not pedophilia - still disturbing. and now it's admitted. his manager knew -- "Dave Becky who only tried to mediate a situation that I caused"
it's not just a rumor:
"I want to address the stories told to The New York Times by five women named Abby, Rebecca, Dana, Julia who felt able to name themselves and one who did not.
These stories are true. At the time, I said to myself that what I did was O.K. because I never showed a woman my dick without asking first, which is also true. But what I learned later in life, too late, is that when you have power over another person, asking them to look at your dick isn’t a question. It’s a predicament for them. The power I had over these women is that they admired me. And I wielded that power irresponsibly. I have been remorseful of my actions. And I’ve tried to learn from them. And run from them. Now I’m aware of the extent of the impact of my actions. I learned yesterday the extent to which I left these women who admired me feeling badly about themselves and cautious around other men who would never have put them in that position. I also took advantage of the fact that I was widely admired in my and their community, which disabled them from sharing their story and brought hardship to them when they tried because people who look up to me didn’t want to hear it. I didn’t think that I was doing any of that because my position allowed me not to think about it. There is nothing about this that I forgive myself for. And I have to reconcile it with who I am. Which is nothing compared to the task I left them with. I wish I had reacted to their admiration of me by being a good example to them as a man and given them some guidance as a comedian, including because I admired their work.
The hardest regret to live with is what you’ve done to hurt someone else. And I can hardly wrap my head around the scope of hurt I brought on them. I’d be remiss to exclude the hurt that I’ve brought on people who I work with and have worked with who’s professional and personal lives have been impacted by all of this, including projects currently in production: the cast and crew of Better Things, Baskets, The Cops, One Mississippi, and I Love You, Daddy. I deeply regret that this has brought negative attention to my manager Dave Becky who only tried to mediate a situation that I caused. I’ve brought anguish and hardship to the people at FX who have given me so much The Orchard who took a chance on my movie. and every other entity that has bet on me through the years. I’ve brought pain to my family, my friends, my children and their mother.
I have spent my long and lucky career talking and saying anything I want. I will now step back and take a long time to listen. Thank you for reading."
Oh, based on body language from a youtube video from 18 months ago. Lol. Great thread.
I think part of the problem is that nobody had the whole picture. Everybody had a piece. If you had a piece, or even a few pieces, you couldn't really see what it was. But if you put all those pieces together, holy shit...
Anthony Edwards: Yes Mom, There is Something Wrong - ( New Window )
And then an audience member walks up and asks Stewart about internet rumors from Twitter and Gawker about Louis CK which were completely out of left field.
Is anyone surprised that Stewart's first reaction was to laugh and not know how to respond? He even apologized for his reaction seeming dismissive and he claimed to not have knowledge of what went down. Maybe he's telling the truth. And maybe he has heard whispers of the rumors over the years-- but even if he is aware of the unspecific rumors, what exactly should he have said in that forum?
Also, there was no public masturbation.
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I never ever respected any of the political commentators who masqueraded as comedians, and Jon Stewart was the leader of the pack. If you want to be a comedian then be a comedian. Make people laugh with jokes. If you want your jokes to be political at times I am all for it.
When the comedy show (either left or right) becomes a constant and daily hit job on one side of the political spectrum then it's not a comedy show, it's a mouthpiece for an agenda.
Remember the Daily Show with Craig Kilborn? It was hilarious because it was just funny for the sake of being funny; not trying to inject comedy into politics.
Lol. You are the one person who thinks TDS with Kilborn was anywhere near Stewarts level.
Does Maher "masquerade as a comedian"? Is he a political commentator? Who says they have to be mutually exclusive - you?
Stewart's point was always that he was a comedy show on a comedy channel. Political comedy is nothing new, and there have been political cartoons for centuries.
Why don't you just come clean and admit you don't like his politics, so you found a bone to pick with him.
As for Stewart, who knows what he did or didn't know, but he hasn't exactly been in the stand-up game for a really really long time.
Yes the comedy world is insular, but the stand-up world is an even more insular subsect of that.
I loved the Kilborn daily show because it was JUST FUNNY. It didn't have an agenda. It was just abusing everyone- kind of like how SNL used to be.
Once again it's not about the politics. Have any of you ever come across the Greg Gutfeld Show on Fox News (I think it's on the weekend). It's BRUTAL. Cringe worthy just like The Daily Show. They parade this weird panel out there and call it comedy but it's not- it's like Hannity with a live audience and a light up LAUGH sign.
Why does everyone immediately get so sensitive to their political position? What kind of life is that to walk around all day going out of your way looking to be offended by someone's politics?
This isn't a partisan political post. Jon Stewart is a funny comedian but I don't appreciate masquerading a one sided political satirical hit piece show as a "Comedy show". That's just stupid. Maher is just a pompous asswipe- politics aside.
I think you're getting confused here by thinking that anyone dislikes you for your politics. The reasons why you're disliked are far simpler than that.
but comedy isn't all relationship jokes, farts and fat people jokes, comedy has been about politics since the cavemen or at least since recorded history.
this is not new.
Though as somebody said about college football coaches: You don't want to be the guy who follows the legend. You want to be the guy who follows the guy who follows the legend. Trevor might turn out to be a placeholder until they get Samantha Bee...
Sorry. Been going on for ages.
See the latest on from 40 years ago 2 weeks before an election? What a farce
You have to take every allegation with a grain of salt until proven one way or the other.
Hmmm Hollywood and the entertainment community has a dark side. No crap.
Next thing your going to tell me that everyone in any profession is pure as snow and would never use what ever edge they could to get ahead.
I'll admit I tried to cop a feel at the saturday matinee in 1968 and she said please don't. While devastated and ashamed, I didn't.
Okay?
I found nothing questionable about Stewart's reaction at all.
Also the kid mentioned harassment. In most cases in NY, harassment doesn't even rise to the level of a crime. It's generally thought of as an annoyance. I think had the kid said rape or sexual assault the reaction would have been much different.
Don't want to excuse harasment, just want to put it in the right frame.
Hold on brb...need to talk to my sister about something ;-)
As a comedian I actually used to really appreciate Jon Stewart. When I was younger and he was on MTV with his show he was a breath of fresh air in an old fuddy duddy genre.
Even the early Stewart Daily Show was pretty good, and he picked up where Kilborn left off and really ran with it to make it pretty good at first. Then it got REAL left REAL quick- and it just turned me off to it.
As a comedian Gutfeld isn't even in the same conversation with Jon Stewart, but the point is that watch either of their shows with a critical open mind and it becomes wholly apparent within 5 minutes that it is a thinly veiled political mouthpiece for each side pretending to be comedy.
What is scary is that many young people (present company all excluded of course) watch these shows as entertainment and don't even realize the propaganda they are being exposed to. It's a comment/joke followed by studio audience laughter over and over and over.
Also worth noting that although what Louis CK did to those 5 women was horrible, he did not sexually assault anyone. I definitely think it's important for us to not start lumping all forms of sexual misconduct together.
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way? Ok. Great thread.
he probably did know - the first article about this came out in 2012. his response was he didn't know.
many of these people are all managed by the same crew. Aziz Ansari refused to talk about it in 2015 when interviewed and asked. Link - ( New Window )
So the working assumption here is that Jon Stewart has read every article that's out about everything? Or maybe you guys can detect lies in youtube videos. I can't. It's pretty plausible to me that he didn't know about it. Or at least, plausible enough to pass muster.
It's just weird to take this CK thing and try to turn it into something about Stewart based on this answer. Great thread.
Agreed. This thread looks like the article, a slam piece on Stewart because he is Louis C.K.'s friend. And yes I find him to be very funny!
Also worth noting that although what Louis CK did to those 5 women was horrible, he did not sexually assault anyone. I definitely think it's important for us to not start lumping all forms of sexual misconduct together.
It's probably more accurate to say we have no idea the extent of what Louis CK has done. if you read the NY Times piece he called one of the victims to apologize and it was the wrong victim and wrong thing. He was apologizing for pushing her into a bathroom (where presumably some other incident took place) and she was a person whom he asked if she wanted to see him masturbate and she said no.
I don't think it's always fair to make assumptions about things people have alleged to have done, but when you call someone and apologize to them for something and it's the wrong person and wrong incident, I think the assumptions about not knowing the extent of the incidents are warranted.
And to your point though, the NY Times article is very clear to use the phrase Sexual Misconduct. Not assault (which misconduct can in fact be).
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I never ever respected any of the political commentators who masqueraded as comedians, and Jon Stewart was the leader of the pack. If you want to be a comedian then be a comedian. Make people laugh with jokes. If you want your jokes to be political at times I am all for it.
When the comedy show (either left or right) becomes a constant and daily hit job on one side of the political spectrum then it's not a comedy show, it's a mouthpiece for an agenda.
Remember the Daily Show with Craig Kilborn? It was hilarious because it was just funny for the sake of being funny; not trying to inject comedy into politics.
Lol. You are the one person who thinks TDS with Kilborn was anywhere near Stewarts level.
Does Maher "masquerade as a comedian"? Is he a political commentator? Who says they have to be mutually exclusive - you?
Stewart's point was always that he was a comedy show on a comedy channel. Political comedy is nothing new, and there have been political cartoons for centuries.
Why don't you just come clean and admit you don't like his politics, so you found a bone to pick with him.
As for Stewart, who knows what he did or didn't know, but he hasn't exactly been in the stand-up game for a really really long time.
Yes the comedy world is insular, but the stand-up world is an even more insular subsect of that.
I loved the Kilborn daily show because it was JUST FUNNY. It didn't have an agenda. It was just abusing everyone- kind of like how SNL used to be.
Once again it's not about the politics. Have any of you ever come across the Greg Gutfeld Show on Fox News (I think it's on the weekend). It's BRUTAL. Cringe worthy just like The Daily Show. They parade this weird panel out there and call it comedy but it's not- it's like Hannity with a live audience and a light up LAUGH sign.
Why does everyone immediately get so sensitive to their political position? What kind of life is that to walk around all day going out of your way looking to be offended by someone's politics?
This isn't a partisan political post. Jon Stewart is a funny comedian but I don't appreciate masquerading a one sided political satirical hit piece show as a "Comedy show". That's just stupid. Maher is just a pompous asswipe- politics aside.
Regardless, there's a diff between "not funny" and "don't respect". You should read up on what Stewart did for WTC first responders.
And you never answered the question about why the commentator and comedian are mutually exclusive. If it's not your taste, that's all good! But you've restricted yourself to a very small subsect of comedians (who came out of the standup circles at least)
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with Stewart.
I was very critical of Trevor Noah at first. I think he's slowly finding his footing. He's not the must-watch that Stewart was at the end, but Jon Stewart wasn't a must-watch when he took over from Kilborn, either. All these latenight hosts grow in the job if they last long enough.
Though as somebody said about college football coaches: You don't want to be the guy who follows the legend. You want to be the guy who follows the guy who follows the legend. Trevor might turn out to be a placeholder until they get Samantha Bee...
Agree, but I think Noah has grown by leaps and bounds. I've got qualms with the current daily show
Jfc some people cannot divorce themselves from their politics.
I never watched gutfields show so I cannot comment on it. But apparently, Stewart, Noah, Maher, Colbert, bee, desus and mero, Seth Meyers, and Jimmy Kimmel are all "propaganda" bc they have a POV. Gimme a break dude
Sonic. Are you saying that all those shows you listed have -the same - point of view?
Sounds weird from a distance.
Everyone has a point of view that needs to be either or.
There is no such thing as comedy. It's all political satire.
Imagine a late night host that came out and slammed a political view and then said "if you think that's stupid, look at this idiot on the other side".
All market and ratings.
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What is scary is that many young people (present company all excluded of course) watch these shows as entertainment and don't even realize the propaganda they are being exposed to. It's a comment/joke followed by studio audience laughter over and over and over.
In fairness, I don't think too many young people watch the pseudo-comedy on Fox News.
He spent every night going on TV and taking jab after jab at one side of the aisle, and then every time he got called to the carpet for it and asked why he didn't skewer both sides evenly he cowered behind the whole "It's on Comedy Central it can't be a real political show" angle. If it's not a political show why the hell is 90% of it dedicated to politics then?
Just rubs me the wrong way- AGAIN- same with Gutfeld, Maher, Oliver, Colbert, Kimmel now too. It's all bs.
Agreed. He was a HUGE advocate for 9/11 first responders and his post daily show career I believe has involved a big project rescuing dogs.
He spent every night going on TV and taking jab after jab at one side of the aisle, and then every time he got called to the carpet for it and asked why he didn't skewer both sides evenly he cowered behind the whole "It's on Comedy Central it can't be a real political show" angle. If it's not a political show why the hell is 90% of it dedicated to politics then?
Just rubs me the wrong way- AGAIN- same with Gutfeld, Maher, Oliver, Colbert, Kimmel now too. It's all bs.
You are so right - ( New Window )
Is making fun of politicians for the at times remarkably dumb things that come out of their mouths what passes for political analysis?
Anyway, what would the counter argument be if he just said: "Hey, you know what? It is a political show." What would people say? Both sides already have entire networks designated as their own echo chambers. What difference does it make?