stats this season, remind them that he's ranked #22 in ESPN's total quarterback rating . It also serves to remind them that the Giants have one rushing touchdown by a running back through half the season. That would be Darkwa.
The NFL has exchanged the rushing touchdown with the short TD pass. Scoring per team per game remains about 3 points higher than normal in the modern era (non fat football). This is mostly a reflection of the increased accuracy of the kickers on long-range FG attempts . So we're looking at essentially a zero-sum game here. It's not like he's having a good season. In fact he is well below average based on a metric that is designed to improve on conventional quarterback rating .
YA's death gave me pause to look at his passing numbers . I then checked Phi Simms. Both looked ridiculously inferior in comparison to the types of wholesale numbers that are put up in the NFL in this era. The passing game has been fine-tuned to put an average talent at the Gentleman's 92 rating . Many people don't grasp how significantly thr dink-pass offense has sanitized raw passing stats. But they come at a loss. Many teams can't run the ball efficiently . They break off the occasional 40 yarders but there are no consistent 4 & 5s. Some run hardly at all. Others are proficient between the 20s but can't run it in. Then, they are unable to run out the clock in the four-minute offense to close out one-score wins.
That's why Darkwa's 5.1 average is essentially tits on the bull as far as helping the Giants win games or at least keeping Spagnuolo's defenseless defense off the field .
The Giants have a lousy offense. The play of the line is certainly contributory , although they've been much better of late. Losing the wide receivers all at once was a solar plexus punch. But the play of the QB also has to be factored in.
Even Eli apologists like Howard Cross and Bob Papa are calling for at least a structured debut of Webb. Over these last 8 games it will certainly help the team as they make plans for '18.
Giants should explore that threat more often...
Agreed 100%. That's been my concern for years now and why I personally don't watch as much college or pro ball as I used to. I can only watch so many shotgun handoffs and go routes. The game has been dumbed down and everything looks the same.
This would be a positive change to bring back some more physicality and make it harder to just hit short timing passes looking for YAC.
The Colts, GM , owner and Peyton bitching about the Pats DEF which led to rule changes helped alter the course of football.
There are way too many definitive statements being made that are just created out of frustration. And Eli might be the toughest guy on the team to evaluate.
He's getting older, but are his skills demonstratively diminishing or is he playing in a scheme with a terrible OL that makes executing even basic elements of the offense difficult?
It gets even worse when you have several posters with the mindset that Eli needs to win games by himself to justify his cap worth, but outside of Rodgers, QB's carrying teams on their backs is basically a myth. When people say that we can have a cheap young QB like Dak Prescott, they miss the point that Prescott would seemingly be poor on this team because in his brief career, when he's pressured, he makes his worst throws. Almost every QB does.
Another complication is that Mac's system seems predicated on throws about 5 yards downfield which mutes Eli's advantages too and if he needs a guy to lengthen the play, that isn't Eli's strength.
It is really tough to gauge what burden Eli carries in the team's failures, but some people seem very certain they know exactly. That's the frustrating part.
I mean you truly do have posters here who think if Eli was more accurate, we'd not have WR injuries. Just baffling as all fuck.
When Eli was 26?
Why some people choose to flat out ignore Eli's age (and the history of when athletes begin to show signs of physical decline) is just strange.
Now about Eli, how did he look to everyone in his last big game? It was only a short while ago that Eli was in Green Bay throwing frozen ropes and making all the right plays in a big time play off game. He’s a big time player that gets better when the games get bigger.
I get it, people want to win and Eli has looked lousy along with every other player on this team. But I just do not believe he’s done physically and I don’t think he’s the problem with this team. Put Eli on the field with an NFL running back and real head coach and I think he’ll be the same franchise QB and stone cold champion that he’s always been.
Personally I see no drop off in his ability to make on the throws when provided adequate time.
Personally I see no drop off in his ability to make on the throws when provided adequate time.
There are a number of people who relaize the state of the team is a confluence of factors and no single element can be proven given they all work in concert.
But that given the age and cost of the quarter back and the trajectories of similarly aged players as evidence, a reasonable case can be made the smartest path forward might not involve him.
And that's no to say he won't succeed elsewhere in a much better situation with lots of better factors.
The WR's have been CRUSHED after being unable to protect themselves. Unfortunately this has happened several times starting from Pre- season. Three in row, One after the other!Whos fault is it ? The Receivers? Eli took them out!
Like I stated before I do not recommend Evan Engram extending himself until Eli Manning can harness better control of his passes.
The WR's have been CRUSHED after being unable to protect themselves. Unfortunately this has happened several times starting from Pre- season. Three in row, One after the other!Whos fault is it ? The Receivers? Eli took them out!
Like I stated before I do not recommend Evan Engram extending himself until Eli Manning can harness better control of his passes.
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Of the Receivers getting hurt. Eli has never thrown a pretty accurate spiral, but he is Directly responsible. Its the way its happening that's ridiculous. They are HURT immediately ...No Limping off the field.
The WR's have been CRUSHED after being unable to protect themselves. Unfortunately this has happened several times starting from Pre- season. Three in row, One after the other!Whos fault is it ? The Receivers? Eli took them out!
Like I stated before I do not recommend Evan Engram extending himself until Eli Manning can harness better control of his passes.
Ballard boss beckum smith nicks Odell Marshall. Eli is a receiver/tight end KILLER with his POOR spirals!
So is Brady a TE killer? Cuz that Gronk gets injured all ze time, and Hernandez hasn't played in the NFL in years.