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| Among the complaints that have surfaced in recent weeks is Spagnuolo having complicated the Giants’ defense to the point of players not knowing their assignments during games. In particular, they have been criticized for having gotten away from what works best with their personnel -- press-man on the outside -- and running more deceptive zones instead. It has created mass confusion and far too many miscommunications. ... The Giants’ answer for this Sunday against the San Francisco 49ers and beyond is to simplify things. Expect them to call fewer coverages and concentrate on what they’ve done best over the past year and a half. |
We've heard this many times over the years... seems like on both offense and defense ... under various regimes...
I expect them to win tomorrow but they will then promptly get slaughtered several weeks straight.
Everyone deserves some blame for this disaster
The Offense and Specials stunk last year but the D was good - he doesn't have any excuses.
I remember his "graduate school" stuff with the D during camp. He is asking too much of his players. That's what happens when you have 6 All Pros - you're imagination goes wild.
I'm mixed on whether I want him to return. Shocked I'm saying that after last year. We even had the Parcels and the '86 Giants gushing how good they were. Shocking butcher job by Spags & Co.
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Wasn't this the same stuff everyone was complaining about when Fewell was here?
We've heard this many times over the years... seems like on both offense and defense ... under various regimes...
I think in part OC geniuses have designed similar looking plays that force D's to recognize which one of the variations it is, and react accordingly to that play. The more they have to process to get the correct play, the longer it takes...the longer it takes means 11 guys have to all see the right variation correctly, and act REACT accordingly. D's by nature are a reactive group as it is...keep them in the processing mode longer; advantage grows to the O. Getting the right players on D to process quickly enough out of the 11 to stop or limit gains really puts the D at a disadvantage. So easy to see or guess the play incorrectly and you're already a 2 steps behind.
Also doesn't help when your D starters on on the sidelines.
That said, SS seems to be guessing D calls , and with the wrong players on the field a lot this season.
Murphy's Law season.
easy week to get away with bad play
- Jersey Joe
easy week to get away with bad play
I think we are going to lose tomorrow. This is the biggest mess of a Giant team I’ve seen in my 35 years of being a fan. This team is a disaster.
DEs. Three injured, one new jag and one with potential.
LBs. Goodson and Casillas are vastly over rated.
DRC out, then possibly the best individual player on the team, in jackrabbit Jenkins, out. Possibly last week had some elements of protest on this front.
Zone: looks like Sometimes it synchs and provides ints .
I do prefer corners in man overall though.
No coach is safe here right now big picture.
Things have obviously gotten worse as a result of some of the above and the way this season has gone in general - but the defense just hasn't resembled that same unit we saw for most of last year at any point this year.
Spagnuolo deserves criticism.
O comes out in 11. Typical macadoo / sully - passive blocking, short pass, INT gave the ball right back.
Seems like little by little some on D started to mail it in.
But. To be fair. Nobody is safe.
How'd things go in 2015?
Their guys catch a pass, and they are wide pen and still running.....
Eli, 11 ypc, Goff 22 ypc.....
we have Pass rushing DEs that are worried more about contain than getting up field.
We have a thumping safety that has been taken out of his position of comfort.
we have DTs dropping into coverage.
Spags is trying to outsmart and outthink the offense and win with his play calls and scheme instead of win with the talent they have on the field.
when coaches make it about their calls and not the players playing fast and free and to their strengths... then the play speaks for itself.
14th of 16 in NFC in points allowed, 25th in points allowed in the NFL.
we have Pass rushing DEs that are worried more about contain than getting up field.
We have a thumping safety that has been taken out of his position of comfort.
we have DTs dropping into coverage.
Spags is trying to outsmart and outthink the offense and win with his play calls and scheme instead of win with the talent they have on the field.
when coaches make it about their calls and not the players playing fast and free and to their strengths... then the play speaks for itself.
I think part of the reason is the defense is devoid of talent at the LB position. If the corners are playing man and the QB takes off, they don’t have the LBs to clean it up and it results in a big gain. The LBs can’t cover, so you have to experiment with exotic zones to mix up the looks for the QB. The LBs can’t defend the run sideline to sideline, so the DEs have to prioritize containment otherwise they’ll get gashed off the edge.
Or call it a 4-1-6
Kennard basically would go to the line on every play, do that's your 5th DL. So you get rush and try to stop the run at the line w 5 same time.
Collins would have some lb responsibilities. As you say, sideline, and two additional safeties, Adams and Thompson for usual safety roles.
Keep Street players like munson and slow roster lbs on the bench.
Or call it a 4-1-6
Kennard basically would go to the line on every play, do that's your 5th DL. So you get rush and try to stop the run at the line w 5 same time.
Collins would have some lb responsibilities. As you say, sideline, and two additional safeties, Adams and Thompson for usual safety roles.
Keep Street players like munson and slow roster lbs on the bench.
This is a lost year. This regime or the next one needs to make a little better effort at the LB position besides FA JAGs and late round picks.
Overall I think the lb position may be diverging into safety or linesmen.
Or the rare blue goose true Mike that can also cover or drop to zone very well.
we have Pass rushing DEs that are worried more about contain than getting up field.
We have a thumping safety that has been taken out of his position of comfort.
we have DTs dropping into coverage.
Spags is trying to outsmart and outthink the offense and win with his play calls and scheme instead of win with the talent they have on the field.
when coaches make it about their calls and not the players playing fast and free and to their strengths... then the play speaks for itself.
+1
LOL, it's just funny that these were the same exact things I was reading when he was here.
"He needs to play press man!"
"All of the DB's are confused - no one knows their assignments, blown coverages!"
"We need to be an attacking defense like Spags had!"
Just hoping that maybe now people will realize that personnel does and will always play a major role in performance - which is why this defense was historically horrendous in 2015 under Spagnuolo and one of the best in football the very next year.
And there's no one-size-fits-all way to play defense. Whenever a defense doesn't play well, people think it's because we're not "attacking" enough or playing too much zone.
Playing press man and blitzing do not necessarily make a defense good. If it were that easy, a lot of DC's in this league would be a hell of a lot more successful.
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We have press cover man corners playing zone.
we have Pass rushing DEs that are worried more about contain than getting up field.
We have a thumping safety that has been taken out of his position of comfort.
we have DTs dropping into coverage.
Spags is trying to outsmart and outthink the offense and win with his play calls and scheme instead of win with the talent they have on the field.
when coaches make it about their calls and not the players playing fast and free and to their strengths... then the play speaks for itself.
I think part of the reason is the defense is devoid of talent at the LB position. If the corners are playing man and the QB takes off, they don’t have the LBs to clean it up and it results in a big gain. The LBs can’t cover, so you have to experiment with exotic zones to mix up the looks for the QB. The LBs can’t defend the run sideline to sideline, so the DEs have to prioritize containment otherwise they’ll get gashed off the edge.
Reese has made it obvious he's going To invest other places way before LB. Is what it is. Plenty of people here defended Reese for
This. One day the Giants may have great Linebackers again. But I don't think it will happen until they get a whole new front office
Until we have ones worth using.
we have Pass rushing DEs that are worried more about contain than getting up field.
We have a thumping safety that has been taken out of his position of comfort.
we have DTs dropping into coverage.
Well, I think you're getting ahead of yourself a bit.
They were a great run defense last year because of the DEs they had. Not good, great.
And Collins has said himself he's been playing hurt.
And linemen occasionally dropping into coverage has been Spagnuolo's thing since 2007. Sometimes he does that.
I see lots of comments about Collins not looking good. In his first year when everyone wanted to call him a bust, I was saying that the guy was just thinking too much. Trying to react to his assignment. Trying to learn where the coach wanted him to be and he was not just playing using instincts. That all came together for him last year. I can see it happening again this year... guys are thinking too much and looking as if they are out of position. Lots of confusion and this is why Collins is not effective.