The Giants have all but telegraphed that a QB is a top consideration in early rounds next April. I think the top 3 qbs are Rosen, Darnold, and Mayfield. And all three had strong performances yesterday.
1. Sam Darnold - I think he is actually the all around best QB of the three, but has more to learn. Love his arm, love his demeanor. Comes from a blue collar background. Best described as having an aw shucks attitude. Who does that sound like? He has started to make better decisions with the football, but still forces the issue when the team needs to make a play. He had great upside, but if the Browns earn the number 1 pick, I bet he stays in school.
2. Josh Rosen - I love this kids arm talent. You watch him and you see elite passing ability. He is putting up great numbers while leading an offense that has very little talent. He is getting better at sensing pressure and manages not to take sacks despite lacking elite athleticism. However, the word continues to be that Rosen is arrogant, may not be personally liked by his teammates, and is described as simply being an ass. Who knows what is true and what isn't, but he is a lightning rod at this point, and do the Giants need any more of those.
3. Baker Mayfield - This kid can just play ball! I've paid more and more attention to him, and he impresses every week. The knock on him is two fold. Is he too short, and is he strictly an off script player? My amateur opinion is no, he can run an offense, probably a version of the west coast, on script, and if the 6'0" Drew Brees can be a hall of Fame player, Mayfield can start in this league. If the Giants are going to go forward with even 80% of the offensive line they currently have, then a mobile but pass first qb is on the list. He does have an alcohol related incident in his past. But he is a proven leader, fiery player, leads by example, and is a winner. Maybe scouts are making too much of his height.
So BBI, who do you want? I can see good arguments for all three. If I'm the Giants, I think the following.
1. Cleveland gets the first pick. And Darnold stays in school. So he won't be an option.
2. Love Rosens talent, but I just can't add his red flags to this team right now. Not after this season.
3. I go with Mayfield (today, could change my mind) height be damned. If you have OBJ, Engram, and a commitment to the run game, then you can easily scheme around him being the height of Brees.
How bout you BBI?
Darnold stays in school.
Rosen is taken by the Browns.
The Giants pass on Mayfield because of his height.
Josh Allen hurt his arm last night. Not sure how seriously.
I want the QB who wins the talent contest, not the popularity contest.
A few weeks ago, I would have agreed with you. But Penn State's offensive line has gotten exposed, and Barkley's production has dropped like a rock. It doesn't help that PSU's offensive play calling is terrible.
This game will decide this..because if Niners finish with better draft pick they take Barkley.. in my epinion
I'd like to say I trust the FO to make the right call but I have no trust in them.
I'd like to say I trust the FO to make the right call but I have no trust in them.
I haven’t been much impressed with Jackson’s accuracy or decision making which, in addition to his slight build, makes him a big risk when you also consider that he plays in a Petrino system.
I’d suggest that Rosen is the safest pick to be a quality starter with Darnold more likely to be an elite starter (but greater just potential than Rosen) and Allen representing the greatest upside.
ANd he did it despite having zilch for talent around him
Care to offer a name?
Not high on Jackson. He is run first qb through and through. I'm not confident his game translates. Great athlete who happens to play qb.
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Care to offer a name?
If we have to force a QB pick my preference is Mason Rudolph. Very accurate, can make all of the NFL throws. Some say Mayfield reminds them of Brees but Rudolph is the guy who made me think of Brees.
I like Allen but have not watched enough of him to have an informed opinion yet. My worry is that Allen is all big arm, and little touch. Love his story though.
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Care to offer a name?
If we have to force a QB pick my preference is Mason Rudolph. Very accurate, can make all of the NFL throws. Some say Mayfield reminds them of Brees but Rudolph is the guy who made me think of Brees.
I think Rudolph is very much a product of his system.
I want the QB who wins the talent contest, not the popularity contest.
Honestly, I tend to think the same way. I'm hoping there is more smoke than fire with all that. I don't really care about the comments, he wasn't exactly wrong. It's the reports about him being a total A$$ that I don't like. Not sure the locker room can absorb that right now. I hope it's all overblown cause he is the goods talent wise.
Did anyone see Linval Joseph today? We have DRC instead, super good idea. So we piss away all that money on a fragile CB who gets suspended and has been a failure every place he's been. We could have paid Linval and spent that money on the OL or LBs but no, we needed a loud mouthed CB who quits on his team and again has never won a thing. This organization sucks from the owner all the way down, who gives a fuck what pick we have?
Did anyone see Linval Joseph today? We have DRC instead, super good idea. So we piss away all that money on a fragile CB who gets suspended and has been a failure every place he's been. We could have paid Linval and spent that money on the OL or LBs but no, we needed a loud mouthed CB who quits on his team and again has never won a thing. This organization sucks from the owner all the way down, who gives a fuck what pick we have?
Joey, you seem more negative than usual. I won't argue about how poorly the team has played, or how little confidence we should have in Reese and company, but I still don't want Tunsil, would take OBJ over an OC every time. Valid point on Gurly over Flowers,but he did come into the league with major injury concerns.
Completely with you on the play of Apple and DRC. We can throw Jenkins in there too.
Rosen is not Jewish. His mother isn’t and his father is an Atheist. Josh has not identified as Jewish.mode=2&thread=559811&show_all=1#13686964]13686964[/url] Milton said:
I want the QB who wins the talent contest, not the popularity contest.
Wonder no more, they don't watch them, but they continue to arrogantly spout uninformed opinions.
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Allen looked excellent last night until injuring his shoulder or throwing arm. I’ve watched probably +90% of Allen’s snaps this season and it amazes me to see the lack of talent around him and the toughness that he displays. His playing style resembles a mix of Favre/Romo/Roethlisberger.
I like Allen but have not watched enough of him to have an informed opinion yet. My worry is that Allen is all big arm, and little touch. Love his story though.
Josh sort of grew into himself just recently and at times he comes across as a superhero just realizing he has a special gift as he fires howotizers to pedestrian wide receivers when he probably should tuck the ball or check down. Building off of that point, you get the feeling that Allen forces some balls because if he waited for clear separation then he would only attempt a few passes each game, thus he takes more risks than he should due to his desire to move the ball and that supreme trust in his arm. Again, you can’t really overstate just how poor his supporting talent is.
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Are the two top rated guys and it isn't even close. Reading the opinions here I wonder if posters actually watch the games ?
Wonder no more, they don't watch them, but they continue to arrogantly spout uninformed opinions.
No doubt top two are Darnold and Rosen
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Allen looked excellent last night until injuring his shoulder or throwing arm. I’ve watched probably +90% of Allen’s snaps this season and it amazes me to see the lack of talent around him and the toughness that he displays. His playing style resembles a mix of Favre/Romo/Roethlisberger.
I like Allen but have not watched enough of him to have an informed opinion yet. My worry is that Allen is all big arm, and little touch. Love his story though.
Allen’s touch is difficult to evaluate but a great point, Emil.
Josh sort of grew into himself just recently and at times he comes across as a superhero just realizing he has a special gift as he fires howotizers to pedestrian wide receivers when he probably should tuck the ball or check down. Building off of that point, you get the feeling that Allen forces some balls because if he waited for clear separation then he would only attempt a few passes each game, thus he takes more risks than he should due to his desire to move the ball and that supreme trust in his arm. Again, you can’t really overstate just how poor his supporting talent is.
All very true
You have to think this all comes down to the interview.
Darnold needs to stay in school.
Not a fan of Jackson, but he might be a NFL QB.
I prefer the 'none of the above' answer.
If a trade down is possible go OL.Or else you will David Carr-itis and young QB. Any variety of teams should want our spot to grab a QB, and if a top 5 team, swap out and try to get an OL at 5 and again at 37(or move up from there if possible).
But since our NYFG are the anti-Belichick re: disclosure, it'll be QB or BPA.
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Allen looked excellent last night until injuring his shoulder or throwing arm. I’ve watched probably +90% of Allen’s snaps this season and it amazes me to see the lack of talent around him and the toughness that he displays. His playing style resembles a mix of Favre/Romo/Roethlisberger.
I like Allen but have not watched enough of him to have an informed opinion yet. My worry is that Allen is all big arm, and little touch. Love his story though.
Allen’s touch is difficult to evaluate but a great point, Emil.
Josh sort of grew into himself just recently and at times he comes across as a superhero just realizing he has a special gift as he fires howotizers to pedestrian wide receivers when he probably should tuck the ball or check down. Building off of that point, you get the feeling that Allen forces some balls because if he waited for clear separation then he would only attempt a few passes each game, thus he takes more risks than he should due to his desire to move the ball and that supreme trust in his arm. Again, you can’t really overstate just how poor his supporting talent is.
All very true
You have to think this all comes down to the interview.
I’m a big fan of Allen but I’ll add that I have a lingering question with regards to his intelligence; forgive my cosmopolitan bias but Allen’s interviews buttress the “small town farm hand” label that he’s been given, whereas a guy like Rosen was groomed to be an engaging and articulate public personality. Allen’s passion for the game is unquestionable but I’d like to be more sure of his ability to process complex schemes at a high rate. To your point, interviews should shed much more light on this subject.
Rosen is not Jewish. His mother isn’t and his father is an Atheist.
Did anyone see Linval Joseph today? We have DRC instead, super good idea. So we piss away all that money on a fragile CB who gets suspended and has been a failure every place he's been. We could have paid Linval and spent that money on the OL or LBs but no, we needed a loud mouthed CB who quits on his team and again has never won a thing. This organization sucks from the owner all the way down, who gives a fuck what pick we have?
And Pugh the year before Beckham could’ve been Deandre Hopkins.
There is zero chance of this happening. Mara isn't like fans. He knows what Eli represents. He's playing as long as he wants.
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2018 will be Eli’s farewell tour as a Giant.
There is zero chance of this happening. Mara isn't like fans. He knows what Eli represents. He's playing as long as he wants.
I love Eli, but this is a ridiculous take.
I love the ‘trade the pick crowd’. I’m sure the Browns love those extra picks they got for Wentz.