I say yes. I can’t see John Mara letting this play out over the next seven games. Clearly the players have quit despite their protests to the contrary.
Be in the 9 - 11 win range? Reese does not at all take same blame. The coach really should be gone tomorrow. It's only going to be thew same and worse going forward.
I'd bench Jenkins or suspend him for the longest period possible. Collins is either trying to do too much and is out of position or is another bucking for the bench. Constantly out of position. I don't get how bad he looks this year.
Granted quitting is vile to watch but what if he agrees that the team was Ray Handleyd
If McAdoo goes, then Jenkins and Apple should too Â
CAn we start with this now? Or do we have to wait until after the draft?
Well, they've reached the point where they have to either fire Reese pretty much now or let him stay until after the draft. They can't clean house later and send the new guys in to draft without adequate preparation. Especially if they're going to be drafting in the top 5 and they might have a shot at the next franchise QB.
What has Sullivan done to deserve HC, even on an interim basis? He hasn't been a good OC with the Giants, he crashed and burned in his last job. I know he's sort of "family" for the Giants, but you don't establish accountability by having a guy fail upwards, even for 8 weeks.
little chance. Now I think it is 50-50. This isn't an "ordinary" losing season. It would not surprise me at all if McAdoo is fired tomorrow.
It's not the Giants' way, but neither is 1-8. All bets are off.
It actually makes more sense right now to fire the GM and try to get the new guy and scouts in place in time to prep for the draft. McAdoo can play out the string, who cares?
to earn HC but that's not the point at this stage. Need to get the team to show up for the rest of the season. Pickings are slim with this staff. Spags is the only guy with HC experience but it's his defense that is mailing it in, no reason to think the team will play for him. Sullivan as HC, maybe Graham as DC. McAdoo and Spags both gone.
If a mid season firing was ever going to happen, it would be now. Â
But I doubt it. Seriously, the organization needs to make a statement after this. I honestly think cutting Jenkins would be warranted, but that would be giving him what he wants. I hope they re run every play where he quit about 20 times when the team watches film. Shame the fucker in front of everyone. Then maybe just make him sit and watch the rest of the year. Apple might deserve the same treatment.
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little chance. Now I think it is 50-50. This isn't an "ordinary" losing season. It would not surprise me at all if McAdoo is fired tomorrow.
It's not the Giants' way, but neither is 1-8. All bets are off.
It actually makes more sense right now to fire the GM and try to get the new guy and scouts in place in time to prep for the draft. McAdoo can play out the string, who cares?
I agree. All bets are off. Nothing would surprise me now.
to earn HC but that's not the point at this stage. Need to get the team to show up for the rest of the season. Pickings are slim with this staff. Spags is the only guy with HC experience but it's his defense that is mailing it in, no reason to think the team will play for him. Sullivan as HC, maybe Graham as DC. McAdoo and Spags both gone.
Agreed. If there was a young hungry assistant on the staff, McAdoo gets fired IMO. Since there isn't, it might mean he keeps his job until the end of the year.
There's no way Spags gets promoted for the rest of the season. If Ben gets fired, its Sully.
What has Sullivan done to deserve HC, even on an interim basis? He hasn't been a good OC with the Giants, he crashed and burned in his last job. I know he's sort of "family" for the Giants, but you don't establish accountability by having a guy fail upwards, even for 8 weeks.
Because to quote Monty Python, “He’s the only one who ain’t got shit all over him” Spags has presided over a bunch of mutinous malcontents. Quinn is Quinn and there ain’t much else unless you look at the position coaches.
have quit. I just think they are a team that has no confidence, and is lacking in talent in many areas.
It is a lack of leadership, beginning with the Head Coach
Once they lost every single receiver it became a little unlikely that they ckuld do anything on offense...but the secondary has 3 elite types.. They aren't trying to win. It's not confusing.
McAdoo in his pressers can't be fucking serious at this point. I mean you continue to play a kicker who had 2 kickd out of bounds and 3 missed fgs under 40 ysrds 3 weeks in a row...... Is this the NFL.?
to earn HC but that's not the point at this stage. Need to get the team to show up for the rest of the season. Pickings are slim with this staff. Spags is the only guy with HC experience but it's his defense that is mailing it in, no reason to think the team will play for him. Sullivan as HC, maybe Graham as DC. McAdoo and Spags both gone.
Agreed. If there was a young hungry assistant on the staff, McAdoo gets fired IMO. Since there isn't, it might mean he keeps his job until the end of the year.
Only guy who "might" fit that definition is Graham. 38 years old. He did go to Yale and was position coach for Pats by age 32. Sounds like an ambitious guy to me. No idea how he's regarded - he may suck but if you're looking for a surprise he could be it.
the team over to? It will just be a placeholder coach anyway. They need to tell the players and the fans that this shit is unacceptable. But they also have to cut a veteran to let the roster know that nobody is safe, and that they're playing for their jobs at this point. Obviously, Jenkins should be #1 on that list. His was the intentionally worst performance I've seen by a Giant player in my decades as a Giants fan.
Sullivan's job should be to figure out who on the team has a Giant future. Then you do the total tear down at the end of the season with some office job protection for Sullivan.
The decision had already been made. The results of Eric's poll was for Slade to remain. Eric can choose to respect the poll's results or not. His site; His rules.
Fire Mcadoo tomorrow along with spags and Quinn. Promote Sullivan and any one if the defensive assistants to DC. Cut Jenkins to send a message. Reese is s goner so can him and have no GM for 2 months, no biggie. We are going 2-14 3-13 at this point. No reason to keep this as is
It's not the giants style, but we were getting blown out by 3 scores by the worst team in the NFL. If he isn't fired tomorrow, it definitely won't happen until the end of the season. This is rock bottom.
1) The main job of the head coach is to get the team ready to play. That includes preparing them for their opponents and having them motivated to win. McAdoo has failed to do this the entire season. I have never once seen him get INTO a game. Whether its arguing calls or getting after players. Thats absolutely grounds for firing.
2) The interim should be Sullivan. Since he took over the playcalling, the offense has been light years better since ue has taken over. Spagnuolo should probably be fired with McAdoo. Sullivan has been a loyal employee for the Giants as well as a good coach for Eli. He has OC'd at two diff spots. The one thing he gets out of this latest short stint with the Giants is that he gets to audition for his next gig.
No, but he should be. I think he has proven he can't handle this. He won't be because Mara thinks too much. He'll think his way out of what his gut is telling him to do. Too cerebral for this. Then again, who would take his place? Spags? C'mon. Sullivan? There are no mid season options. They're stuck with what they have for 7 more games which will seem like an eternity. After that, a lot of heads could roll.
hand the reigns over to whom? Spagnuolo? His defense just got run over by a semi-pro club.
Pratik Patel ... He's the Director of Performance Nutrition and seems to be the only one doing his job ... the players are well fed and not hungry at all ...
CAn we start with this now? Or do we have to wait until after the draft?
Reese is the first person who needs to be fired. I want him gone long before the draft. I don't want him making any decisions about which players they scout and draft. He must go now!
McAdoo also needs to be fired. The team is ignoring him, and it seems like there is trouble in the locker room amongst the players. McAdoo is arrogantly pretending that there isn't a glaring problem with his game plans. He a disaster, and the Mara's shouldn't protect him. I also don't want Spags to become the interim coach....he needs to be fired as well.
Well, they've reached the point where they have to either fire Reese pretty much now or let him stay until after the draft. They can't clean house later and send the new guys in to draft without adequate preparation. Especially if they're going to be drafting in the top 5 and they might have a shot at the next franchise QB.
Giants style to fire a coach in midseason, well they have done it before and I might add that nobody really knows these new owners and how they will respond to this kind of adversity......
The decision had already been made. The results of Eric's poll was for Slade to remain. Eric can choose to respect the poll's results or not. His site; His rules.
Well, we'll see. Immediately after the poll, Slade doubled down with another prediction. So, at a certain point, even the poll results could be outweighed by continued BS posts.
I'd bench Jenkins or suspend him for the longest period possible. Collins is either trying to do too much and is out of position or is another bucking for the bench. Constantly out of position. I don't get how bad he looks this year.
Granted quitting is vile to watch but what if he agrees that the team was Ray Handleyd
Tom Quinn baby!!!!
This...Don't need a bunch of needless meaningless wins to drop draft position
The Giants are a dumpster fire
It is a lack of leadership, beginning with the Head Coach
Reese, Mac and Spags tonight
It doesn't matter. They can (and probably will) lose the remaining games with any coach. It's time for Mara to send a message to the fans.
It actually makes more sense right now to fire the GM and try to get the new guy and scouts in place in time to prep for the draft. McAdoo can play out the string, who cares?
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little chance. Now I think it is 50-50. This isn't an "ordinary" losing season. It would not surprise me at all if McAdoo is fired tomorrow.
It's not the Giants' way, but neither is 1-8. All bets are off.
It actually makes more sense right now to fire the GM and try to get the new guy and scouts in place in time to prep for the draft. McAdoo can play out the string, who cares?
I agree. All bets are off. Nothing would surprise me now.
Agreed. If there was a young hungry assistant on the staff, McAdoo gets fired IMO. Since there isn't, it might mean he keeps his job until the end of the year.
There's no way Spags gets promoted for the rest of the season. If Ben gets fired, its Sully.
It is a lack of leadership, beginning with the Head Coach
watch some game film on this one and you'll say otherwise
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Maybe keep Spags, or fire him, who cares?
The Giants are a dumpster fire
What has Sullivan done to deserve HC, even on an interim basis? He hasn't been a good OC with the Giants, he crashed and burned in his last job. I know he's sort of "family" for the Giants, but you don't establish accountability by having a guy fail upwards, even for 8 weeks.
Because to quote Monty Python, “He’s the only one who ain’t got shit all over him” Spags has presided over a bunch of mutinous malcontents. Quinn is Quinn and there ain’t much else unless you look at the position coaches.
It is a lack of leadership, beginning with the Head Coach
Once they lost every single receiver it became a little unlikely that they ckuld do anything on offense...but the secondary has 3 elite types.. They aren't trying to win. It's not confusing.
McAdoo in his pressers can't be fucking serious at this point. I mean you continue to play a kicker who had 2 kickd out of bounds and 3 missed fgs under 40 ysrds 3 weeks in a row...... Is this the NFL.?
The next 11 days will see a beat down from the Chiefs and a Thanksgiving loss to the Redskins.
sure, that is what we need. Go from one guy without the qualifications to be a head coach to another.
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to earn HC but that's not the point at this stage. Need to get the team to show up for the rest of the season. Pickings are slim with this staff. Spags is the only guy with HC experience but it's his defense that is mailing it in, no reason to think the team will play for him. Sullivan as HC, maybe Graham as DC. McAdoo and Spags both gone.
Agreed. If there was a young hungry assistant on the staff, McAdoo gets fired IMO. Since there isn't, it might mean he keeps his job until the end of the year.
Only guy who "might" fit that definition is Graham. 38 years old. He did go to Yale and was position coach for Pats by age 32. Sounds like an ambitious guy to me. No idea how he's regarded - he may suck but if you're looking for a surprise he could be it.
I'd fire Spags as well and promote Sullivan to interim HC. Sullivan is no football genius but he appears to be well liked
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sure, that is what we need. Go from one guy without the qualifications to be a head coach to another.
i was fucking around. But, could he be worse
The decision had already been made. The results of Eric's poll was for Slade to remain. Eric can choose to respect the poll's results or not. His site; His rules.
This.
2) The interim should be Sullivan. Since he took over the playcalling, the offense has been light years better since ue has taken over. Spagnuolo should probably be fired with McAdoo. Sullivan has been a loyal employee for the Giants as well as a good coach for Eli. He has OC'd at two diff spots. The one thing he gets out of this latest short stint with the Giants is that he gets to audition for his next gig.
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Pratik Patel ... He's the Director of Performance Nutrition and seems to be the only one doing his job ... the players are well fed and not hungry at all ...
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CAn we start with this now? Or do we have to wait until after the draft?
Reese is the first person who needs to be fired. I want him gone long before the draft. I don't want him making any decisions about which players they scout and draft. He must go now!
McAdoo also needs to be fired. The team is ignoring him, and it seems like there is trouble in the locker room amongst the players. McAdoo is arrogantly pretending that there isn't a glaring problem with his game plans. He a disaster, and the Mara's shouldn't protect him. I also don't want Spags to become the interim coach....he needs to be fired as well.
Well, they've reached the point where they have to either fire Reese pretty much now or let him stay until after the draft. They can't clean house later and send the new guys in to draft without adequate preparation. Especially if they're going to be drafting in the top 5 and they might have a shot at the next franchise QB.
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Won’t tommorw help make that decision?
The decision had already been made. The results of Eric's poll was for Slade to remain. Eric can choose to respect the poll's results or not. His site; His rules.
Well, we'll see. Immediately after the poll, Slade doubled down with another prediction. So, at a certain point, even the poll results could be outweighed by continued BS posts.