I enjoy the sports Pope as much as any on this board, but his dislike of OBJ has jumped the shark. And it's not just him, as I've heard it from fans too.
Francessa's take is that OBJ has negatively influenced this team with his "the rules don't apply to me" behavior that it has made this team into a bunch of Odell Beckham Jr. Jr's, which has prevented them from righting the ship, and encouraged the revolt against the coach.
Ok, that sounds like a nice segment for a bad movie, but isn't it more likely that Janoris Jenkins is a well known head case, was kicked off his team in college, and despite his talent the Rams were ok with letting him walk? Isn't it more likely that he is a negative influence on the team?
How about Eli Apple? The young man has taken plays off nearly all year. Wants no part of contact the past few weeks, and has insulted the organization's culture.
There are other players, but I don't need to beat a dead horse. Blaming OBJ for the current play of the team, because the organization didn't punish the star WR for excessive celebration penalties last year and this year absolves these highly paid players of their own actions and horrible play. Never mind that OBJ has not been part of this team since early October, and when he was part of the team, the other players clearly fed off of his superior play. I get it, many hate OBJ, and Francessa really hates him. But trying to say the kid gloves the organization treated him with is the reason the defensive secondary has quit on the season is a manufactured narrative in order to perpetuate the sports Pope's opinions.
After watching yesterday, give me 11 OBJs, at least they wouldn't quit.
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In comment 13690956 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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Who was the last WR as talented as Beckham who led the league in jersey sales?
Now what do we do? It's possible that not only is this kid an absolute headache when he plays but he also may now be running anonymously to his friend Josina Anderson to complain about the HC.
It's past immaturity at this point. The kid loves himself and his brand more than the team and his teammates. Almost impossible to win with guys like that, regardless of talent. Poor attitude is a disease in team sports.
I understand that you're incredibly biased and not very bright, but Beckham is so obviously not one of the anonymous sources that spoke to Josina Anderson. They're both on the defense, and very likely both from the secondary (I'd guess it's both of the players who BMc suspended this year since they have a financial reason to sling arrows out of spite).
Why is it always the personal attacks with you guys? Smh. If I am so stupid why am I proven so god damn right all of the time? Do you think I want the franchise I've rooted for.since I am 6 to go up in flames?
Name the players who are confirmed to have ever texted Josina Anderson. It's a short list. Go ahead look it up. But it CAN'T be that guy?
I don't like Beckham because of what he did to a once proud franchise. Look around. We are here because we sacrificed the foundational beliefs of how a franchise should be run by allowing someone with a clear mental illness to make the rules. Now when it explodes I am supposed to defend him?
My favorite non game day as a Giants fan was when we drafted Eli. My 2nd favorite will be tje day that headcase leaves the team for good.
Can't wait for you to spin this into all of us being insensitive to mental illness. ICONIC.
Can't wait for you to realize TWICE that you have no rational response when challenged on your opinion and attack the poster directly- TWICE.
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Who was the last WR as talented as Beckham who led the league in jersey sales?
Now what do we do? It's possible that not only is this kid an absolute headache when he plays but he also may now be running anonymously to his friend Josina Anderson to complain about the HC.
It's past immaturity at this point. The kid loves himself and his brand more than the team and his teammates. Almost impossible to win with guys like that, regardless of talent. Poor attitude is a disease in team sports.
I understand that you're incredibly biased and not very bright, but Beckham is so obviously not one of the anonymous sources that spoke to Josina Anderson. They're both on the defense, and very likely both from the secondary (I'd guess it's both of the players who BMc suspended this year since they have a financial reason to sling arrows out of spite).
Why is it always the personal attacks with you guys? Smh. If I am so stupid why am I proven so god damn right all of the time? Do you think I want the franchise I've rooted for.since I am 6 to go up in flames?
Name the players who are confirmed to have ever texted Josina Anderson. It's a short list. Go ahead look it up. But it CAN'T be that guy?
I don't like Beckham because of what he did to a once proud franchise. Look around. We are here because we sacrificed the foundational beliefs of how a franchise should be run by allowing someone with a clear mental illness to make the rules. Now when it explodes I am supposed to defend him?
My favorite non game day as a Giants fan was when we drafted Eli. My 2nd favorite will be tje day that headcase leaves the team for good.
Foundational beliefs like giving Tito Wooten a contract extension after he beat his girlfriend into suicide?
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Why is it always the personal attacks with you guys? Smh. If I am so stupid why am I proven so god damn right all of the time? Do you think I want the franchise I've rooted for.since I am 6 to go up in flames?
Name the players who are confirmed to have ever texted Josina Anderson. It's a short list. Go ahead look it up. But it CAN'T be that guy?
I don't like Beckham because of what he did to a once proud franchise. Look around. We are here because we sacrificed the foundational beliefs of how a franchise should be run by allowing someone with a clear mental illness to make the rules. Now when it explodes I am supposed to defend him?
My favorite non game day as a Giants fan was when we drafted Eli. My 2nd favorite will be tje day that headcase leaves the team for good.
Can't wait for you to spin this into all of us being insensitive to mental illness. ICONIC.
Can't wait for you to realize TWICE that you have no rational response when challenged on your opinion and attack the poster directly- TWICE.
How was that an attack on you? Is it not a fact that you once started a thread from an incredibly homophobic position that has no basis in reality and then accused every poster who replied to your thread and called you out of being homophobic themselves? So you once again created a fictional statement (read: lie) that Beckham suffers from a "clear mental illness" and it's unreasonable you to expect you to twist that into a claim that others are insensitive to mental illness?
Capitalizing "TWICE" doesn't make you correct. In fact, you're rarely, if ever, correct (maybe not even ONCE), despite the frequency with which you like to pat yourself on the back.
That's on the coaches (including and especially Coughlin) and the front office.
Again for the 100th time. How do you know that Beckham hasn't been reprimanded? Actually he has but why let that sway anyone's rant.
Let's not bring that part up here!! Nope let's talk about a bunch of made up soap opera gossip! Beckham is full of himself! And the Giants enable him! I know so because.... I just do.
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Why is it always the personal attacks with you guys? Smh. If I am so stupid why am I proven so god damn right all of the time? Do you think I want the franchise I've rooted for.since I am 6 to go up in flames?
Name the players who are confirmed to have ever texted Josina Anderson. It's a short list. Go ahead look it up. But it CAN'T be that guy?
I don't like Beckham because of what he did to a once proud franchise. Look around. We are here because we sacrificed the foundational beliefs of how a franchise should be run by allowing someone with a clear mental illness to make the rules. Now when it explodes I am supposed to defend him?
My favorite non game day as a Giants fan was when we drafted Eli. My 2nd favorite will be tje day that headcase leaves the team for good.
Can't wait for you to spin this into all of us being insensitive to mental illness. ICONIC.
Can't wait for you to realize TWICE that you have no rational response when challenged on your opinion and attack the poster directly- TWICE.
How was that an attack on you? Is it not a fact that you once started a thread from an incredibly homophobic position that has no basis in reality and then accused every poster who replied to your thread and called you out of being homophobic themselves? So you once again created a fictional statement (read: lie) that Beckham suffers from a "clear mental illness" and it's unreasonable you to expect you to twist that into a claim that others are insensitive to mental illness?
Capitalizing "TWICE" doesn't make you correct. In fact, you're rarely, if ever, correct (maybe not even ONCE), despite the frequency with which you like to pat yourself on the back.
You are kind of making my point for me bringing up the whole gay thing again. It's apparently still an issue for you. How is that not absolutely bizarre? Again...attacking the poster when the post is accurate. Go to the archives before we signed JPP. Do the same thing on the Beckham posts after any of his numerous stupid transgressions. I have earned the right to pat myself on the back because I'm right.
Reese is definitely part of the problem because I believe he puts certain criteria, like upside and youth over proven production and experience. What ever happened to drafting captains by the way?
you can have that youth but you need strong veteran leaders. We do not apparently have that on the team other than Snacks
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Why is it always the personal attacks with you guys? Smh. If I am so stupid why am I proven so god damn right all of the time? Do you think I want the franchise I've rooted for.since I am 6 to go up in flames?
Name the players who are confirmed to have ever texted Josina Anderson. It's a short list. Go ahead look it up. But it CAN'T be that guy?
I don't like Beckham because of what he did to a once proud franchise. Look around. We are here because we sacrificed the foundational beliefs of how a franchise should be run by allowing someone with a clear mental illness to make the rules. Now when it explodes I am supposed to defend him?
My favorite non game day as a Giants fan was when we drafted Eli. My 2nd favorite will be tje day that headcase leaves the team for good.
Can't wait for you to spin this into all of us being insensitive to mental illness. ICONIC.
Can't wait for you to realize TWICE that you have no rational response when challenged on your opinion and attack the poster directly- TWICE.
How was that an attack on you? Is it not a fact that you once started a thread from an incredibly homophobic position that has no basis in reality and then accused every poster who replied to your thread and called you out of being homophobic themselves? So you once again created a fictional statement (read: lie) that Beckham suffers from a "clear mental illness" and it's unreasonable you to expect you to twist that into a claim that others are insensitive to mental illness?
Capitalizing "TWICE" doesn't make you correct. In fact, you're rarely, if ever, correct (maybe not even ONCE), despite the frequency with which you like to pat yourself on the back.
You are kind of making my point for me bringing up the whole gay thing again. It's apparently still an issue for you. How is that not absolutely bizarre? Again...attacking the poster when the post is accurate. Go to the archives before we signed JPP. Do the same thing on the Beckham posts after any of his numerous stupid transgressions. I have earned the right to pat myself on the back because I'm right.
Your favorite organization supposedly gave up its foundational beliefs for Odell, and you choose to hate Odell? Please, that's bullshit. Look, Odell can be a distraction. I will not argue that. But his behavior has been tolerated for quite some time, starting with Coughlin refusing to take him off the field against Carolina (which I cannot blame; trying to safe his job). Nonetheless, the organization failed him by not addressing the behavior right away. If you don't potty train your dog, and he's still peeing in the house when he's three years old, is it really the dog's fault? Sure it's his piss, but whose responsible for the behavior?
"I have earned the right to pat myself on the back because i'm right"
Do you want everyone on this board to send you a congratulations as well?
He also is a QB.
Who was the last WR to be traded for two first round picks AND a 2nd round pick?
John Jefferson from SD to the Packers? 1982ish?
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we'd win a lot of SB's.
it would be a unique formation, that's for sure.
I think teams would be able to run on that defense though.
We would have to invest in more kicking nets.
Guys?
Anyone?
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unless your main goal is to get Beckham off the team.
People forget what a crapshoot the draft is, even as we are sitting here shitting on one first-round pick who became a star (OBJ) another everybody wants to run out of town (Eli Apple) and a third who seems be underperforming and has people divided (JPP).
A lot of people think we'll just build a dynasty with the picks, like Dallas did with the picks from the Herschel Walker trade. If that's what you're assuming, have a look at what the Rams got for Eric Dickerson. (Spoiler alert: Those picks didn't amount to much.)
OBJ is a generational talent. He's the kind of guy every fan base salivates over. He's been better than most #1 overall picks. It is extremely unlikely the Giants would get a player as good with the picks they'd get.
Except it's not about talent. That is undeniable. It's about the uniform. The teammates. The fans. The desire for ring #5. That's why we tune in on Sunday. Not to see a talented kid pee like a dog in the end zone and not even be a smidgent remorseful for the 15 yard team killing penalties.
He just doesn't care about anyone or anything about himself and his brand.
Not sure how that penalty killed the team but regardless your last statement couldn’t be further from the truth. Does he care about his brand? Absolutely, any smart player in a sport where your career could be done on one hit would.
Does he not care about winning and the Giants? That’s a made up narrative. The guy works his ass off and cares about winning. He didn’t put a hole in the Packers locker room because his party plans got canceled.
I don't care how hard Beckham works. When I watch his behavior on the field, I'm watching a guy who may place winning among his top three priorities, but it definitely isn't number one. His brand and his appetite for attention are top two, and if that doesn't change, this team will not win with him.
But in my many years of watching football, he is the most gifted receiver I have ever seen. A once in a generational talent. I guess he could be a few inches taller, just to say he has the ultimate speed/height ratio thing, but the combination of hands, speed, quickness (especially in and out of cuts) and catching radius are incredible. Those combined skills are so rare that you have to find a way to keep him, assuming he's still the same post surgery.
In fact, one of the key reasons for the next hire, assuming McAdoo is gone, would be that candidate demonstrating he has the people skills to manage OBJ/millennials. This is one of the reasons why I would push it as far as I could go to hire Jim Harbaugh. He seems to be well dialed in with this generation...
But I'm wondering what everyone sees as this awful behavior from the guy. The Norman thing seemed like two guys going at each other--I didn't throw it all on Beckham. Something a young guy might do. What's the other awful stuff? the kicking net was dumb, but didn't seem to be shaking the foundational core of the organization or anything.
Can someone point me to the behavior from Beckham that has destroyed this team?
But I'm wondering what everyone sees as this awful behavior from the guy. The Norman thing seemed like two guys going at each other--I didn't throw it all on Beckham. Something a young guy might do. What's the other awful stuff? the kicking net was dumb, but didn't seem to be shaking the foundational core of the organization or anything.
Can someone point me to the behavior from Beckham that has destroyed this team?
He went on a boat on his off day last year 6 days before a playoff game! Shattered the organization. Will be years before we recover.
I don't care how hard Beckham works. When I watch his behavior on the field, I'm watching a guy who may place winning among his top three priorities, but it definitely isn't number one. His brand and his appetite for attention are top two, and if that doesn't change, this team will not win with him.
Beckham is the most competitive player on the team, IMO. How he handles that competitiveness sometimes results in some moments of immaturity, but I genuinely believe that he's the most competitive guy on the team and that it is his absolute #1 priority.
Winning will give him the attention he wants, and the attention will drive his brand. He's no dummy - he understands that (again, IMO).
But in my many years of watching football, he is the most gifted receiver I have ever seen. A once in a generational talent. I guess he could be a few inches taller, just to say he has the ultimate speed/height ratio thing, but the combination of hands, speed, quickness (especially in and out of cuts) and catching radius are incredible. Those combined skills are so rare that you have to find a way to keep him, assuming he's still the same post surgery.
In fact, one of the key reasons for the next hire, assuming McAdoo is gone, would be that candidate demonstrating he has the people skills to manage OBJ/millennials. This is one of the reasons why I would push it as far as I could go to hire Jim Harbaugh. He seems to be well dialed in with this generation...
Yea, because Odell held out, had a media circus in his driveway and called out his QB.
What's a protypical Giant behavior? LT? Tito Wooten? Luke Pettigout? Get a grip.