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Would obviously be a very short term move, but I wouldn't mind rolling the dice on Kinsler at 2B if the price is right. Only on the hook for 1 year $10M and has scored 90 runs 4 years in a row. 1 year removed from a near 6 WAR season.
Also Carig has Sandy making some pretty direct comments about Smith's conditioning.
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Dominics going to have to be careful about his conditioning, certainly in the next few years if not throughout his career.
Sandy Alderson on Dom Smith
I remember the good old days when people acted like me commenting on Dom Smith's weight was me being some sort of hater... the good old days before people actually got a chance to see his physique.
The thing we have to remember about guys like Bruce is that it really doesn't make sense to commit large amounts of money and guaranteed years to these guys since they are available for SOOO cheap. Look at the price the Mets got for Bruce last year in the middle of a career year. Why would you pay bigtime guaranteed money when bat first no defense OFs are otherwise so cheap. Let's not bid against ourselves.
Good luck with that. Bruce is reportedly looking for years over AAV (as he should be). 1 year would be absolutely stunning.
Santana wouldn't be a bad signing. I feel like Smith's upside is most likely average MLB starter (who knows though, he's still young and his power looks to be developing) so I'm fine with upgrading there, but I'd rather add someone like Moustakos. I like his age and think he's hitting his prime years. It's been a while since we've been settled at 3B. Sign Moustakos and you can probably also sign Duda as a backup option for 1B (I bet Duda gets one year deal at $10M or less). If they do sign Bruce, he better be willing to work at 1B considering how horrible he is in the OF.
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Good luck with that. Bruce is reportedly looking for years over AAV (as he should be). 1 year would be absolutely stunning.
Then maybe Mets should pass. Dave Cameron projects him to get 2/yr $32M which IMO is still a bit high but I wouldn't completely HATE it for NYM.
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makes me think it's unlikely unless his market is as cold as it was last offseason and he has to settle for a 1 or 2 year deal (which could be). Not saying it's impossible, but I suspect they will have higher targets. He also didn't seem to love the lockerroom here. But who knows if that's truth or just rumor.
Would obviously be a very short term move, but I wouldn't mind rolling the dice on Kinsler at 2B if the price is right. Only on the hook for 1 year $10M and has scored 90 runs 4 years in a row. 1 year removed from a near 6 WAR season.
Also Carig has Sandy making some pretty direct comments about Smith's conditioning.
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Dominics going to have to be careful about his conditioning, certainly in the next few years if not throughout his career.
Sandy Alderson on Dom Smith
I remember the good old days when people acted like me commenting on Dom Smith's weight was me being some sort of hater... the good old days before people actually got a chance to see his physique.
to be fair to me (LOL) I never said his physique wasn't an issue, I simply said he could be in the Mo Vaughn/Prince Fielder style of 1B and not Jon Olerud (from a body type standpoint).
I was impressed with Smith's power - which most people also said wasn't going to develop, but if fielding is going to be an issue and it's purely his weight causing it, he has no choice but to lose weight (and keep it off) or lose his career.
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Good luck with that. Bruce is reportedly looking for years over AAV (as he should be). 1 year would be absolutely stunning.
Then maybe Mets should pass. Dave Cameron projects him to get 2/yr $32M which IMO is still a bit high but I wouldn't completely HATE it for NYM.
I saw a tweet yesterday saying they thought Bruce could get a 5 -year deal. I thought Bruce was a pleasant surprise last year, but holy shit stay away from that deal.
I admit Bruce has more versatility and is already proven to be able to play here as opposed to someone like Santana, but I'd prefer a more well rounded hitter. In comparison Santana strikes out less than just about anyone we have had since Murphy. He'd be our most consistent OBP guy since prime David Wright. And you can basically pencil him in for 20+ homers and 85+ rbis.
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Good luck with that. Bruce is reportedly looking for years over AAV (as he should be). 1 year would be absolutely stunning.
Then maybe Mets should pass. Dave Cameron projects him to get 2/yr $32M which IMO is still a bit high but I wouldn't completely HATE it for NYM.
I saw a tweet yesterday saying they thought Bruce could get a 5 -year deal. I thought Bruce was a pleasant surprise last year, but holy shit stay away from that deal.
I'd be very surprised if he gets 5 years unless he settles for a reasonably low AAV but anything less than 2-3 would be stunning. The market is never hot for Bruce but 1 year is what guys coming off bad years end up with.
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Dominics going to have to be careful about his conditioning, certainly in the next few years if not throughout his career.
Sandy Alderson on Dom Smith
I remember the good old days when people acted like me commenting on Dom Smith's weight was me being some sort of hater... the good old days before people actually got a chance to see his physique.
It was more the lazy comments regurgitated by some than the out of shape. But I think wed all happily go back to the good old days of a winning org with a great minor league system just a few years ago :(
power is power, I wasn't praising it as anything other than people said "Smith will never be a power buy, 15 - 20 HR's max" and in an admittedly small sample he was on pace for 30.
I had no other commentary about it being positive or negative.
he's shorter than i thought too, he looks shorter than 6'.
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issue with praising Smith's power is it came at the expense of his other hitting "positives" so we don't yet know if he can do both concurrently. I'm not saying he can't be he basically sold out for power. K-rate was 26.8 at the MLB level (double his AA rate). Also, GG defense my ass. Maybe that was his projection coming out of HS but... uh no.
power is power, I wasn't praising it as anything other than people said "Smith will never be a power buy, 15 - 20 HR's max" and in an admittedly small sample he was on pace for 30.
I had no other commentary about it being positive or negative.
he's shorter than i thought too, he looks shorter than 6'.
Not looking to have a big debate but totally disagree on the first point. Power is only relevant if you can tap into it while giving quality ab's. What good is 25+ homers if the other 550 ab's aren't quality? Again, it was his first taste so I'm not saying he can't do them both concurrently but he was bad in September, 3 homers while showing better ab's would have been a far better sign.
Completely agree, he did not look at all like the polished hitter and top defender as advertised. There are going to be growing pains with him. That's why I'd sign a 1B and use Smith as a trade chip, whether it's for a good young pitcher or an every day player with some term on a reasonable contract.
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issue with praising Smith's power is it came at the expense of his other hitting "positives" so we don't yet know if he can do both concurrently. I'm not saying he can't be he basically sold out for power. K-rate was 26.8 at the MLB level (double his AA rate). Also, GG defense my ass. Maybe that was his projection coming out of HS but... uh no.
Completely agree, he did not look at all like the polished hitter and top defender as advertised. There are going to be growing pains with him. That's why I'd sign a 1B and use Smith as a trade chip, whether it's for a good young pitcher or an every day player with some term on a reasonable contract.
He may yet be an MLB all-star one day. I'm far from closing the book on him but I'm actually happy/surprised to see the Mets acknowledging he did NOT look ready to be an asset to open 2018. Can't go into 2018 with Smith penciled in given what we saw. He's a good prospect, he's not viewed as a can't miss/special talent that you just roll the dice on. Rosario showed warts as well BUT he's a SS and graded above average at the position. So if worst case in 2018 is he's a glove with some speed and the bat takes some time, so be it. 1b not so much.
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issue with praising Smith's power is it came at the expense of his other hitting "positives" so we don't yet know if he can do both concurrently. I'm not saying he can't be he basically sold out for power. K-rate was 26.8 at the MLB level (double his AA rate). Also, GG defense my ass. Maybe that was his projection coming out of HS but... uh no.
power is power, I wasn't praising it as anything other than people said "Smith will never be a power buy, 15 - 20 HR's max" and in an admittedly small sample he was on pace for 30.
I had no other commentary about it being positive or negative.
he's shorter than i thought too, he looks shorter than 6'.
Not looking to have a big debate but totally disagree on the first point. Power is only relevant if you can tap into it while giving quality ab's. What good is 25+ homers if the other 550 ab's aren't quality? Again, it was his first taste so I'm not saying he can't do them both concurrently but he was bad in September, 3 homers while showing better ab's would have been a far better sign.
You're missing my point. I'm not debating the quality of his offense - I made no commentary on that, people, you included, said Smith doesn't project to have much HR power.
He (in a SSS, but not really small b/w AAA/MLB) proved that wrong. HR power is a tool measurable in and of itself.
Period.
He was on pace for 30 MLB HR's and actually hit 25 HR's between AAA and MLB
(I'd be shocked if they land Minor, and Morrow wants to stay in LA but Shaw makes a lot of sense given his Callaway ties).
but as an extreme case (admittedly very extreme) let's say "people" generally had that view of Smith. He's a line drive hitter, a doubles guy, may hit 15 HR's, 20 on a good year.
If the then hits 60 HR's but strikes out 300 times and bats around .100.
Would people then say "see I told you he had no power"
anyway, point is moot, I get what you're saying.
Some of his HR's were absolutely crushed though and that RF porch probably got in his head too (though I think he even had a couple oppos).
I liked Dom's September though (at the plate at least) a lot better than August.
Reed is solid, but he doesn't miss enough bats for me. Even if he's been fine/good the past two years, he looks like a regression candidate to me. I'm not sure he finished the year well after being traded to Boston either.
but as an extreme case (admittedly very extreme) let's say "people" generally had that view of Smith. He's a line drive hitter, a doubles guy, may hit 15 HR's, 20 on a good year.
If the then hits 60 HR's but strikes out 300 times and bats around .100.
Would people then say "see I told you he had no power"
anyway, point is moot, I get what you're saying.
Some of his HR's were absolutely crushed though and that RF porch probably got in his head too (though I think he even had a couple oppos).
I liked Dom's September though (at the plate at least) a lot better than August.
Yeah it's true. When you see power projections and grades it's within the context of what the player already is, approach, patience etc. Nobody is saying "well if he stops having quality ab's and worries about pulling the ball over the wall he can't hit for more power". I mean even in concept, if the power was a clear sign he could do both together then we wouldn't be hearing Sandy voicing concern would we? If he's a 25-30 homer hitting with his minor league k-rate etc then there is no concern to be had. He sold out for power, if he can do both together then that changes the power profile. If he can only hit for significant power at the expense of his k-rate, ab's then it's a net negative and not a change to what scouts suggested. He was really bad. Even his "improved" September... 100 ab's 34 k's. That's really, really bad 6 homers or not.
Reed is solid, but he doesn't miss enough bats for me. Even if he's been fine/good the past two years, he looks like a regression candidate to me. I'm not sure he finished the year well after being traded to Boston either.
I'd be very surprised if Morrow is a Met. Very injury prone and likely finds a team to give him way more than expected given his great 2017 season. I really can't see the Mets investing in Familia/Ramos/Blevins and then also paying big for 2 more $$ relievers. Shaw likely gets something like 2 for 16-18 which would mean just adding him would have the Mets "top 4" relievers at over 30 million.
Maybe it's me, but it just seems like they acquired about 12 relief pitchers at the deadline.
I wonder what the cost would be to swing a trade for Brad Hand. 2 years of arbitration left but he and Shaw would be a really nice offseason haul for the BP.
He wasnt a middling prospect. Smith was a good prospect and a first round (11th) draft pick. He also played less than a third of a season on a shitty team. I still view him more of a prospect than a pro player right now. Im interested to see how he does under this new team leadership.
I feel like the Mets sour on players really quickly. Many times to the detriment of the team. God forbid they actually develop a player.
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He wasnt a middling prospect. Smith was a good prospect and a first round (11th) draft pick. He also played less than a third of a season on a shitty team. I still view him more of a prospect than a pro player right now. Im interested to see how he does under this new team leadership.
Even if Smith was a "middling" prospect, why in the world would that prevent him from being traded? It's actually kind of rare (comparatively speaking at least) top prospects get traded vs prospects of Smith's stature.
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don't expect the Mets to sign Santana but early interest suggests to me the Mets have indeed soured on Smith and not just about 2018.
I feel like the Mets sour on players really quickly. Many times to the detriment of the team. God forbid they actually develop a player.
To be clear I wasn't even defending them. I just get the vibe (Santana interest included) that they may already be looking for a longer term option vs. "Dom needs a few months". It's not as if Santana is settling for 1 year and the Mets know this so interest (at minimum) would suggest an openness to basically "moving on" from Smith. You don't block a guy you believe in for 2-3 years.
I wish our AAA team was moving a year earlier so Smith could get another 200-300 ABs at AAA to work on his game. Then you could do a Duda/Bruce with Flores vs LHP type of thing out of camp and see if Smith forces his way back into MLB.
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Trading Dom Smith is more palatable with Alfonso in the system who may arguably be better. The problem with Santana is that he clogs up 1b for 3-4 years and there is no DH. Bruce, who I like a little less because of streakiness gives you flexibility with 1b and of.
Not sure how sandy doesnt seem starting pitching as a massive problem. SMH
I think re: SP the challenge is two-fold.
1. Very underwhelming players (Lance Lynn) are going to get more money than we have in the budget.
2. Those same underwhelming guys could easily get beat out of a spot by Matz, Harvey, Gsellman, Wheeler, Montero or Lugo.
I can see why he'd rather spend the money strengthening the lineup/BP and just take whatever SP is leftover in Jan/Feb on cheaper deals. Should we do a pool for when they sign Colon?
Get me RA Dickey !
Only thing is it would have to come late in the offseason in lieu of other moves. Duda would be nice as a 4th or 5th move... not a 1st or 2nd.
I don't get it. He 's going to command a pretty penny too.
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If Mets want to roll with Smith, Duda is a fine cheap insurance policy. Signing Duda and say Moustakos would give us some nice IF option.
Big no on Cain. Lagares 4 year outlook is similar to Cains IMO (even with the injury risk) and hes already signed.
Smith would be welcomed. Signing at two good relievers would be even more welcomed.
Sources tell @DPLennon and I that the Mets are weighing a pursuit of Japanese star Shohei Otani. Heres the news story and a column:https://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/mets-shohei-otani-1.14982402 https://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/david-lennon/mets-shohei-otani-1.14982415
Will never happen but shocking we would even consider a conversation.
He'd be a nice 1 year Duda type deal filler if he'd be willing to play some 1B?
Two days later: Mets in on Cain, Joe Smith, and Otani.
Sandy you sly dog you. :)