Fluker and Jones are also free agents. John Jerry is signed up, but he should not be a starter entering next season. So other than Flowers who you guys either don't want back at LT or don't want back at all... Please tell us what OL we will have next season... And then tell us how that will be better than this year's group...
it's time to blow this roster up.
Vernon, Snacks, Collins, Shepard, Odell, Engram ... everyone else can go.
Pretty cunty attitude. None are POS...if it is determined they are too often injured to be re-signed, so be it. No need for name calling. Phil Simms was constantly injured early in his career, but over came it.
When Coughlin came on in 2004 our oline was a mess. He brought in a bunch of offensive linemen via free agency and we drafted Snee. This is the formula.
1 or 2 pieces will begin the process. Rome wasn't built in a year and the offensive line will not be a quick fix.
The new HC and GM will figure it out. I’m almost 100% confident we won’t field an OL without a LG and C.
Bret Jones is, at the very least, serviceable. You can get through a year with him as your starter until you find a long term viable solution. And who is to say the next GM won’t actually hit on an OG in the draft? I know it’s a foreign thought given the incompetence of Reese and Co, but maybe it actually happens?
Not so sure it is the players that are the problem and more the scheme. New England started 3 rookie O Lineman last year the first game and won a super bowl. The play calling on this team has sucked for the past 4 years and that coincides with Odell Beckham. Which probably explains why when he is not on the field the Giants do not score. A good O Line coach and a good offensive coordinator with the help of an NFL viable QB, which Eli may or may not be will improve any line they put out there.
Let’s talk about scheme - you run the ball. Establish the run, let your linemen gain confidence. Make the other team stop you. Then when they do, you throw up top to Odell and crew. Instead we threw the ball more and more with or without Odell on field. Oline never learned how to pass block because they either suck or don’t get it.
Example. Against cowboys opening night, Sean Lee knew our game plan better than we did. So why not load up with 2 TE and FB and smash mouth. Oh right Perkins is trash. But that should’ve been the gameplan. Scheme and players suck.
- will only count 6 mil per year on the next 2 season we would save 16 mil to go towards the new OL.
- with the 9 mil plus that we save from not resigning Pugh / Richburg we’d have a min of 26 mill of cap space with arguably 2 of the first 33-34 pics in the draft
- bring fluker back at a similar deal, spread the 26 plus mil over three OL positions and draft one in the 2nd rd.
- get a QB to battle w/ Webb for the Keys to the Franchise
Pass. HARD.
Pugh is a very good lineman. Richburg seems to have regressed but he's going to start somewhere and likely ends up as a solid to good player when all is said n done.
Also: it is odd that he suffered a severe concussion. He is one of the few guys on the team wearing one of those new VICIS helmets that are supposed to have a flexible outer shell to protect against concussions.
Flowers is under contract. Him and Wheeler need to compete for LT. Hopefully, Wheeler is up to the task.
Guards: Ideally, Jerry doesn't play. Has Fluker reestablished his value? I don't see anyone clamoring to sign him. Perhaps a short-term incentive laden contract might persuade him. A few UFA guards that are in their late 20's and coming from a team that has proven to run the ball in no particular order. Bare minimum qualifications, but that is where we are. 1. Josh Kline (28) Titans, 2. Senio Kelemete (27) Saints, 3. Chris Hubbard (26) Pitt, 4. Jonathan Cooper (27) Dallas, 5. Andrew Norwell (26) Car
Expect at least two, maybe three, new, high value line starters, a line centric GM, a line centric HC, a new OC and a new Line coach.
Hopefully a group with some success -together- to a certain extent.
I would hope so. At least we will be able to get pressure on Wentz twice a year.
Flowers-Nelson-Swanson-Jerry-Brown
Another option would be to take Nelson after a trade down then take another guard in the 2nd or 3rd and hope Wheeler can hold down RT. Use the other 1st and other 2nd on a pass rusher and true LB.
It’s not that tough to fix if the Giants commit to it.
Fans need to wake up and understand that NCAA offensive lineman are not game ready coming out of college anymore. Look around the league and the last top 10 players coming out of college have all been slow or have outright busted
Vets who know the game and have chemistry are likelier to build a solid line around However, you have to pay for that chemistry.
Agreed.
Fans need to wake up and understand that NCAA offensive lineman are not game ready coming out of college anymore. Look around the league and the last top 10 players coming out of college have all been slow or have outright busted
Vets who know the game and have chemistry are likelier to build a solid line around However, you have to pay for that chemistry.
Where are you getting these facts from? Cam Robinson and Ryan Ramcyzk prove exactly the opposite.
(new coach, oc, ol coach and system, +1 RB)
They really built an excellent OL. I think you guys saw they score 6 rushing TD's in Buffalo.
He played 16 games his rookie year. Every year since, he has missed multiple games. So far this year, he has only missed 1 full game. His sore back started going into the bye. He missed the 2nd half yesterday, and I won't be surprised if he misses this week.
This !!!!
Not only did they change their entire O-line, but they have that record playing Case Keenum, their 3rd string quarterback.
But they also do not have McAdoo as their coach! Or Reese as their GM!
LG - Jerry. I'll say it again for the nth time. If he is your 5th best lineman, your line might be pretty good. If he is 4th, you still could be average.
C - Jones. Outside of Richburg being a number 2 pick, I haven't seen anything in about 2 years that shows Jones is a downgrade to Richburg. It's possible, he comes back but it would be for significantly less than originally thought.
RG - Fluker. If we can sign him for a similar deal that Jerry got this year, I would consider it.
RT - FA. At minimum an average one.
Draft - At least one 1st/2nd day pick. If you can get a Tackle early great, you may go with an interior player within the 1st 4 rounds also (with an eye on ultimately replacing Jerry/Jones.)
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To resign one of the 2.
Fans need to wake up and understand that NCAA offensive lineman are not game ready coming out of college anymore. Look around the league and the last top 10 players coming out of college have all been slow or have outright busted
Vets who know the game and have chemistry are likelier to build a solid line around However, you have to pay for that chemistry.
Where are you getting these facts from? Cam Robinson and Ryan Ramcyzk prove exactly the opposite.
Look who those guys are playing next too, those are elite lines.
Eric Fisher, Luke Joeckel, Jake Long, Greg Robinson prove my point.
- will only count 6 mil per year on the next 2 season we would save 16 mil to go towards the new OL.
- with the 9 mil plus that we save from not resigning Pugh / Richburg we’d have a min of 26 mill of cap space with arguably 2 of the first 33-34 pics in the draft
- bring fluker back at a similar deal, spread the 26 plus mil over three OL positions and draft one in the 2nd rd.
- get a QB to battle w/ Webb for the Keys to the Franchise
You do know that Eli has a.........................
A fuck it, nevermind......
Just because we don't have anyone under contract doesn't mean that we have to sign our own FA. The problems with Pugh/Richburg are health related as much as anything else. Additionally there could be problems with asking price.
If the asking price is right for each of them, I'm okay with bringing them back to compete for jobs. Unfortunately you can't really count on guys who are injured to be regular players for you, so we better have a strong plan A. Or these guys better be priced to be plan B's.
We also have a dire situation at LB if you look at who is under contract next year. The GM has its work cut out for them, that's for sure.
Our OL has two guys with a real future Flowers and Jones the Rest all come with many skills, injury and upside questions. Play these guys let them gain something from this season and judge them for game time experience not practice or PS. Check the league PS and waiver wires we don’t have anyone at this time who can’t be easily replaced on our OL. I don’t buy the they need to work together they need to do their job then help if they can. We have some young kids now is the time to get them on the field see what you really have not what you think you have.
Our OL has two guys with a real future Flowers and Jones the Rest all come with many skills, injury and upside questions. Play these guys let them gain something from this season and judge them for game time experience not practice or PS. Check the league PS and waiver wires we don’t have anyone at this time who can’t be easily replaced on our OL. I don’t buy the they need to work together they need to do their job then help if they can. We have some young kids now is the time to get them on the field see what you really have not what you think you have.
Dragon has a valid point. The season is over except for evaluation purposes. We should be poaching other team's practice squads and get a good look for the remaining practice/game time. If they absolutely suck, then you release them and find another. Keep turning over the rocks and we are bound to find some talent. That should go for our LB situation. Every Tuesday should come with announcements of new signings. What is the downside? We are going to lose another game?
As for scheme, wasn't the great Solari supposed to fix the mess that Flaherty supposedly left behind? That's what lots of people said here. Worked out well.
I guess Flats got his skills back at JAX, where they can actually run the ball and protect their QB
As another poster said, the desperate mentality got us stuck with Beatty, whom was a similar profile of NFL player.
It's going to be a huge challenge for this regime to rebuild the OL quickly.
Question is, will anyone else? The assumption in this thread seems to be that their injuries won't affect their market value. I'd suggest waiting to see what the market truly is. If they can be signed at a "discount" and you can add some young OL talent for the future in the draft it could be a plan.