Fluker and Jones are also free agents. John Jerry is signed up, but he should not be a starter entering next season. So other than Flowers who you guys either don't want back at LT or don't want back at all... Please tell us what OL we will have next season... And then tell us how that will be better than this year's group...
If he can be had for 25M guaranteed (big if), he's essentially a flat cost.
As another poster said, the desperate mentality got us stuck with Beatty, whom was a similar profile of NFL player.
It's going to be a huge challenge for this regime to rebuild the OL quickly.
I’d rather just let the next regime rebuild it.
I wouldn’t resign him or Richburg and I would cut Jerry and B Hart and start from there with Flowers Pugh jones wheeler and cut Biznotaway too bring back Geddis and halapio
Fluker is not starter material, because he sucks in pass blocking.....
Flowers is under contract for one more year....do you want to re-sign him? I mean he can't run block in short yardage situations and after 2 seconds his pass blocking is suspect...
Pugh/Richburg could be the reincarnation of Baas/Schwartz...
I have no idea where you start...after 7 seasons we do not have one building block in this OL....and when you hear names like Wheeler and Bisnowaty, you just have to shake your head and say, "here we go again."
As another poster said, the desperate mentality got us stuck with Beatty, whom was a similar profile of NFL player.
It's going to be a huge challenge for this regime to rebuild the OL quickly.
Good point on Beatty. Situation feels similar.
Richburg's lack of ability to get movement in the run game has been a hindrance to the offense and these concussion issues are worrisome.
Pugh has performed admirably and has been a good soldier moving all around the line. But durability remains a concern and he's been good but not great.
With some big money deals on the horizon for actual elite players at their position like Odell and Collins (I'm still a believer despite a tough season), tough decisions will need to be made.
Seems counter-intuitive to rebuild the OL by letting maybe your two best guys go. But can't pay good players elite money. Otherwise you end up with the mess we have a defensive end.
As another poster said, the desperate mentality got us stuck with Beatty, whom was a similar profile of NFL player.
It's going to be a huge challenge for this regime to rebuild the OL quickly.
This regime? :(
As a result, there will likely be a significant change in what offense the team runs. In today's game, the offensive scheme has as much to do with the offensive line play as the skill level.
It is important to note that not every OL fits every scheme. Flowers probably can start in most systems, but might not be a LT in some of them. Pugh, Jones and others have athletic limitations that might not mesh with a new system. Thus, we are VERY much putting the cart before the horse if you are trying to decide who returns on the OL bases solely on FA or who is injured or not.
Remember as well that if the Giants bring in an experienced head coach who brings in an experienced staff, they are likely to have relationships with players around the league and familiarity with the new offensive scheme that will favor certain OL over others.
Anyone claiming that they what next year's needs on the OL are or who is a "must sign" is fooling themselves until the new coach and staff is brought in and we know what scheme will be run.
Flowers is having a decent season . I doubt we are gonna
take Nelson that high even though he is the best lineman in the draft . Were most likely taking a QB although I would rather gamble on Webb and take Barkley .
If Reese is at the helm we will stay put I hope he is gone
and get a GM that isn't afraid to make some deals on guy
that have value to get more picks in the draft .
if you get a new/good/less stubborn coach out there... with that group, i think the offense will be absolutely fine.
the 2nd WR spot will also be an area of focus but that isnt the topic of this thread
As a result, there will likely be a significant change in what offense the team runs. In today's game, the offensive scheme has as much to do with the offensive line play as the skill level.
It is important to note that not every OL fits every scheme. Flowers probably can start in most systems, but might not be a LT in some of them. Pugh, Jones and others have athletic limitations that might not mesh with a new system. Thus, we are VERY much putting the cart before the horse if you are trying to decide who returns on the OL bases solely on FA or who is injured or not.
Remember as well that if the Giants bring in an experienced head coach who brings in an experienced staff, they are likely to have relationships with players around the league and familiarity with the new offensive scheme that will favor certain OL over others.
Anyone claiming that they what next year's needs on the OL are or who is a "must sign" is fooling themselves until the new coach and staff is brought in and we know what scheme will be run.
+1
This is why any decision on ANY player has to be put on hold until we know what is going to happen after December 31.
As another poster said, the desperate mentality got us stuck with Beatty, whom was a similar profile of NFL player.
Actually, this is one of my favorite Reese topics. Somebody mentioned within the last couple of weeks that he's been historically a little jumpy when it comes to decision making, or words to that effect. I always thought he wanted certainty at LT in the face of the new CBA (and the resulting horde of FAs) and penned Beatty early rather than let the market play itself out, and got lousy value as a result.
I don't think it was desparation, I think it was not having the balls to ante up at the big boys table. In particular would like to hear YOUR opinion on how that situation played out, Sir.
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As another poster said, the desperate mentality got us stuck with Beatty, whom was a similar profile of NFL player.
Actually, this is one of my favorite Reese topics. Somebody mentioned within the last couple of weeks that he's been historically a little jumpy when it comes to decision making, or words to that effect. I always thought he wanted certainty at LT in the face of the new CBA (and the resulting horde of FAs) and penned Beatty early rather than let the market play itself out, and got lousy value as a result.
I don't think it was desparation, I think it was not having the balls to ante up at the big boys table. In particular would like to hear YOUR opinion on how that situation played out, Sir.
I think it was overrating his own draft pick, which allowed him to go the path of least resistance.
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I think it was overrating his own draft pick, which allowed him to go the path of least resistance.
Nothing new there. This despite the fact he was known to the outside world as 'a dancer' with 'no punch'. Thanks.
Maybe, but I don't recall commentary about timing of that FA season and JR for some reason 'doubling down' as JonC puts it before the market had even gotten momentum.
BBI discussion volume isn't always proportional to discussion value. That goes for posters and topics both.
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Seems to me he’s missed a few games every year since he’s been here, any truth to that?
He played 16 games his rookie year. Every year since, he has missed multiple games. So far this year, he has only missed 1 full game. His sore back started going into the bye. He missed the 2nd half yesterday, and I won't be surprised if he misses this week.
As expected, Pugh will be missing more games.
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