Seeing Davis Webb in action will give us fans the idea of what we have at QB behind Eli Manning. With a potential top 3 pick and a potential franchise QB being available to pick, it would be nice to know if Webb is the future or not.
However, I really want to see what we have in Wheeler. He's been active many games this year and has seen very limited action.
Why is he not playing over Hart?
Hart has not earned the right to play.
With Pugh out, why don't we see Wheeler at RT and let the guy learn and grow on the line.
He can't be worse than Hart, can he?
I would like to see Wheeler also. I would have to imagine he's been lifting since the summer and hence stronger than he was.
Further, with the current situation, I think Mr. Slickback is thinking more of his own survival rather than trying out a kid to see what he can do.
What if you put Webb in for the last 3-4 games and he plays just OK?- some rookie mistakes but gives the offense a little juice with his mobility and does some good things.
What do you do then? Do you say "Ok let's build with this guy and see what happens" or do you say "With a top 3 pick we gotta get one of these young studs"?
I'd say let Eli play this thing out in 2017, draft the QB you want, and then let the rookie and Webb battle it out next year for the backup, all of the time understanding that one or the other is going to start in '19.
QB is like no other position in pro sports. You gotta load up until you find one.
I'm as curious about Wheeler as anyone, but auditioning him at RT might not be the best way to assess his future value.
What if you put Webb in for the last 3-4 games and he plays just OK?- some rookie mistakes but gives the offense a little juice with his mobility and does some good things.
What do you do then? Do you say "Ok let's build with this guy and see what happens" or do you say "With a top 3 pick we gotta get one of these young studs"?
I'd say let Eli play this thing out in 2017, draft the QB you want, and then let the rookie and Webb battle it out next year for the backup, all of the time understanding that one or the other is going to start in '19.
QB is like no other position in pro sports. You gotta load up until you find one.
My issue with this plan is we would have now spent 2 top picks (2 of our last 6 Rd 1-3 picks) on one position, when we have lots of holes also on the OL, RB, LB, and likely DB. Plus these 2 picks would be spent on positions that won't help us for 2+ years, unlike if we drafted a OT or OG that could start right away.
I'd prefer we make a determination on Webb before the draft. If its thumbs up, then draft an OL player/LB/RB/etc. Thumbs down then draft the QB (if the one you like is there).
I also don't subscribe to the fact that this QB class is so good, and that there are guaranteed franchise QBs there. First, its stupid to call a college senior an NFL franchise QB, they bust all the time so you just don't know. Second, none of these guys are lighting it up. Third, there will be good "franchise guys" there next drat too, maybe even Darnold again.
Finally, I hope everyone realizes that Webbs senior year stats, in the the same conference as Darnold and Rosen, will end up being better than every QB we are discussing (Rosen will be close). So this assumption that whoever we draft is going to be a better QB is flawed.
Flash forward to reality and we are the joke of the NFL, and Eli looks like he's going to fumble every other time he drops back.
We don't need to just throw Webb in there, but to not give him some playing time would be really stupid, I think.
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Besides the fact that I legitimately do see Eli as giving us the best chance to win games, I do get the urge to throw Webb in there to "see what he's got".
What if you put Webb in for the last 3-4 games and he plays just OK?- some rookie mistakes but gives the offense a little juice with his mobility and does some good things.
What do you do then? Do you say "Ok let's build with this guy and see what happens" or do you say "With a top 3 pick we gotta get one of these young studs"?
I'd say let Eli play this thing out in 2017, draft the QB you want, and then let the rookie and Webb battle it out next year for the backup, all of the time understanding that one or the other is going to start in '19.
QB is like no other position in pro sports. You gotta load up until you find one.
My issue with this plan is we would have now spent 2 top picks (2 of our last 6 Rd 1-3 picks) on one position, when we have lots of holes also on the OL, RB, LB, and likely DB. Plus these 2 picks would be spent on positions that won't help us for 2+ years, unlike if we drafted a OT or OG that could start right away.
I'd prefer we make a determination on Webb before the draft. If its thumbs up, then draft an OL player/LB/RB/etc. Thumbs down then draft the QB (if the one you like is there).
I also don't subscribe to the fact that this QB class is so good, and that there are guaranteed franchise QBs there. First, its stupid to call a college senior an NFL franchise QB, they bust all the time so you just don't know. Second, none of these guys are lighting it up. Third, there will be good "franchise guys" there next drat too, maybe even Darnold again.
Finally, I hope everyone realizes that Webbs senior year stats, in the the same conference as Darnold and Rosen, will end up being better than every QB we are discussing (Rosen will be close). So this assumption that whoever we draft is going to be a better QB is flawed.
Good point. I had not thought of it that way
Let's just put him in the weight room, and voila! Instant lineman...
There are reasons why some guys are not drafted or are drafted late in the rounds...mainly because they suck....
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Besides the fact that I legitimately do see Eli as giving us the best chance to win games, I do get the urge to throw Webb in there to "see what he's got".
What if you put Webb in for the last 3-4 games and he plays just OK?- some rookie mistakes but gives the offense a little juice with his mobility and does some good things.
What do you do then? Do you say "Ok let's build with this guy and see what happens" or do you say "With a top 3 pick we gotta get one of these young studs"?
I'd say let Eli play this thing out in 2017, draft the QB you want, and then let the rookie and Webb battle it out next year for the backup, all of the time understanding that one or the other is going to start in '19.
QB is like no other position in pro sports. You gotta load up until you find one.
My issue with this plan is we would have now spent 2 top picks (2 of our last 6 Rd 1-3 picks) on one position, when we have lots of holes also on the OL, RB, LB, and likely DB. Plus these 2 picks would be spent on positions that won't help us for 2+ years, unlike if we drafted a OT or OG that could start right away.
I'd prefer we make a determination on Webb before the draft. If its thumbs up, then draft an OL player/LB/RB/etc. Thumbs down then draft the QB (if the one you like is there).
I also don't subscribe to the fact that this QB class is so good, and that there are guaranteed franchise QBs there. First, its stupid to call a college senior an NFL franchise QB, they bust all the time so you just don't know. Second, none of these guys are lighting it up. Third, there will be good "franchise guys" there next drat too, maybe even Darnold again.
Finally, I hope everyone realizes that Webbs senior year stats, in the the same conference as Darnold and Rosen, will end up being better than every QB we are discussing (Rosen will be close). So this assumption that whoever we draft is going to be a better QB is flawed.
Except Webb played in a spread offense that inflates the passing stats, while Rosen, and Darnold played in more pro-style offenses. Dranold and Rosen also had to compete and probably beat out some serious talent to become starters at their schools. Webb lost to Mahomes in a competition.
Also Darnold and Rosen probably have better mechanics then Webb (Pre Draft at least).
I like Webb, but that doesn't mean you don't take a QB in the top of round 1, because I would much rather have our next QB compete against another solid talent and let the best player win. The loser can be turned into a pick if its a close battle. Nothing wrong with that.
Just start Geno if you do that - to protect your real QB.
And in no way use it as an excuse to not invest madly in OL both via high draft picks and the top free agents.
It's long over due.
The process of finding Eli's replacement has to start NOW. Why wait?
Find a way to let Eli go out on his terms, but his time is over.
All player and coaching positions are up for grabs effective today.
Outside of last year the Giants have been the epitome of mediocrity, If it takes 2 years to rebuild a consistent winner - so be it
Do you want this team to turn into the JESTS, or worse cowboys?
What if you put Webb in for the last 3-4 games and he plays just OK?- some rookie mistakes but gives the offense a little juice with his mobility and does some good things.
What do you do then? Do you say "Ok let's build with this guy and see what happens" or do you say "With a top 3 pick we gotta get one of these young studs"?
I'd say let Eli play this thing out in 2017, draft the QB you want, and then let the rookie and Webb battle it out next year for the backup, all of the time understanding that one or the other is going to start in '19.
QB is like no other position in pro sports. You gotta load up until you find one.
Was reading an ex-coach, might have been Gruden, saying that sitting a QB as the 3rd QB doesn't really work anymore as the practice limitations really hamper reps. You want to develop a QB in the background you need to commit to one as the 2nd QB.
The CBA restrictions are also a huge problem for young, raw offensive linemen like Wheeler and Bisnowaty. They might suck anyway, but how are they supposed to master their craft without hitting anybody?
What if you put Webb in for the last 3-4 games and he plays just OK?- some rookie mistakes but gives the offense a little juice with his mobility and does some good things.
What do you do then? Do you say "Ok let's build with this guy and see what happens" or do you say "With a top 3 pick we gotta get one of these young studs"?
I'd say let Eli play this thing out in 2017, draft the QB you want, and then let the rookie and Webb battle it out next year for the backup, all of the time understanding that one or the other is going to start in '19.
QB is like no other position in pro sports. You gotta load up until you find one.
This isn't a great comparison, but that's a bit of what happened with Johnny Manziel. Sat on the bench most of his rookie year. When the season was slipping away, they played in three games, and he was hurt in the last game of the season.
What if they played him in 6 games, rather than three? Would the Browns have seen something different? Basically, the Browns played Manziel but still didn't know what they had. Long story short, they had nothing.
Like I said, bad comparison. But I'd rather the Giants have tape on Webb than no tape at all.
I mean. Wouldn't that be like having a starter marriage with a 300lb wife beater?
How's that going to help you next time around?
Why would you want Webb behind an OL that has a horror show like Hart at RT and not great players alongside in pass protection. They have a pretty ordinary at best running game. And, one of the starting WRs is really a Practice Squad player. What do you get by putting someone barely familiar with the offense in that situation if you care about him going forward. It's stupidity.
[quote] The team isn't moving Flowers mid-season (and there's no good reason to, given his recent level of play). Although Hart has been pretty bad, there's a high likelihood that Wheeler would be even worse. He doesn't have an NFL body yet, and would be playing out of position.
I'm as curious about Wheeler as anyone, but auditioning him at RT might not be the best way to assess his future value. [/quote
Can he do any worse than Hart for 1. series? Minimum.
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Besides the fact that I legitimately do see Eli as giving us the best chance to win games, I do get the urge to throw Webb in there to "see what he's got".
What if you put Webb in for the last 3-4 games and he plays just OK?- some rookie mistakes but gives the offense a little juice with his mobility and does some good things.
What do you do then? Do you say "Ok let's build with this guy and see what happens" or do you say "With a top 3 pick we gotta get one of these young studs"?
I'd say let Eli play this thing out in 2017, draft the QB you want, and then let the rookie and Webb battle it out next year for the backup, all of the time understanding that one or the other is going to start in '19.
QB is like no other position in pro sports. You gotta load up until you find one.
My issue with this plan is we would have now spent 2 top picks (2 of our last 6 Rd 1-3 picks) on one position, when we have lots of holes also on the OL, RB, LB, and likely DB. Plus these 2 picks would be spent on positions that won't help us for 2+ years, unlike if we drafted a OT or OG that could start right away.
I'd prefer we make a determination on Webb before the draft. If its thumbs up, then draft an OL player/LB/RB/etc. Thumbs down then draft the QB (if the one you like is there).
I also don't subscribe to the fact that this QB class is so good, and that there are guaranteed franchise QBs there. First, its stupid to call a college senior an NFL franchise QB, they bust all the time so you just don't know. Second, none of these guys are lighting it up. Third, there will be good "franchise guys" there next drat too, maybe even Darnold again.
Finally, I hope everyone realizes that Webbs senior year stats, in the the same conference as Darnold and Rosen, will end up being better than every QB we are discussing (Rosen will be close). So this assumption that whoever we draft is going to be a better QB is flawed.
I agree 100%. Everyone saying just draft a QB and let him and Webb fight it out, when you have so many other holes to fill can be a waste of a pick.
Why would you want Webb behind an OL that has a horror show like Hart at RT and not great players alongside in pass protection. They have a pretty ordinary at best running game. And, one of the starting WRs is really a Practice Squad player. What do you get by putting someone barely familiar with the offense in that situation if you care about him going forward. It's stupidity.
Carr played a decent amount of years in the league, yes most of it as a backup. The shell shocked by the bad oline is a fun story, but I think the reality was he just wasn't very good
I could think of worst scenarios than having two young quarterbacks battling it out when time comes.
Too bad we lost Snee to Jacksonville. He had obviously mastered PEDs.
Sometimes coaches (Coughlin) need a swift kick in the ass to get a young guy some playing time.
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Besides the fact that I legitimately do see Eli as giving us the best chance to win games, I do get the urge to throw Webb in there to "see what he's got".
What if you put Webb in for the last 3-4 games and he plays just OK?- some rookie mistakes but gives the offense a little juice with his mobility and does some good things.
What do you do then? Do you say "Ok let's build with this guy and see what happens" or do you say "With a top 3 pick we gotta get one of these young studs"?
I'd say let Eli play this thing out in 2017, draft the QB you want, and then let the rookie and Webb battle it out next year for the backup, all of the time understanding that one or the other is going to start in '19.
QB is like no other position in pro sports. You gotta load up until you find one.
My issue with this plan is we would have now spent 2 top picks (2 of our last 6 Rd 1-3 picks) on one position, when we have lots of holes also on the OL, RB, LB, and likely DB. Plus these 2 picks would be spent on positions that won't help us for 2+ years, unlike if we drafted a OT or OG that could start right away.
I'd prefer we make a determination on Webb before the draft. If its thumbs up, then draft an OL player/LB/RB/etc. Thumbs down then draft the QB (if the one you like is there).
I also don't subscribe to the fact that this QB class is so good, and that there are guaranteed franchise QBs there. First, its stupid to call a college senior an NFL franchise QB, they bust all the time so you just don't know. Second, none of these guys are lighting it up. Third, there will be good "franchise guys" there next drat too, maybe even Darnold again.
Finally, I hope everyone realizes that Webbs senior year stats, in the the same conference as Darnold and Rosen, will end up being better than every QB we are discussing (Rosen will be close). So this assumption that whoever we draft is going to be a better QB is flawed.
Except Webb played in a spread offense that inflates the passing stats, while Rosen, and Darnold played in more pro-style offenses. Dranold and Rosen also had to compete and probably beat out some serious talent to become starters at their schools. Webb lost to Mahomes in a competition.
Also Darnold and Rosen probably have better mechanics then Webb (Pre Draft at least).
I like Webb, but that doesn't mean you don't take a QB in the top of round 1, because I would much rather have our next QB compete against another solid talent and let the best player win. The loser can be turned into a pick if its a close battle. Nothing wrong with that.
Quick correction- Webb didn't get beat out by Mahomes per se- Webb got hurt and Mahomes came in and flashed at TT and the coaches went with the young guy. If Webb didn't get hurt Pat Mahomes would be the starting QB for Texas Tech this weekend.
Sometimes coaches (Coughlin) need a swift kick in the ass to get a young guy some playing time.
Let's see what he can do.
Only way to know if we have something or not.