It seems like everyone is conceding the overall #1 pick to the Cleveland Browns because they are after all…the Cleveland Browns. But given the real possibility that the Giants may not win another game AND the Brown’s not-so-tough schedule, maybe the Giants could “win” the overall #1 spot after all.
Here are the remaining schedules for the “Biggest Losers”…
BROWNS
Jaguars
@ Bengals
@Chargers
Packers
Ravens
@ Bears
@ Steelers
The Jags and the Steelers are clearly better than the Browns but either could certainly lose to the Browns, especially if the Steelers have clinched their playoff spot before the last game and the Browns are still looking for that first win. The middle five opponents are all better than the Browns as well, but not significantly better that the Browns couldn’t pull off an upset or two.
49ers
Seahawks
@ Bears
@ Texans
Titans
Jaguars
@Rams
The 49ers have a tougher schedule no doubt, but the Bears and Texans (without Watson and Watt) are potential wins and once again, it’s possible the last game of the year could also be meaningless to the Rams if they’ve clinched their playoff slot.
Of course if the Giants lose their remaining games they will likely have the tiebreaker with SF anyway. That means that the 49ers may not even have to win another game to finish “behind” the Giants in the draft order. (See link to other BBI thread below.)
Having said all that, I think the Giants somehow find a way to win two more games to finish 3-13 and end up in the 3rd position. They will then trade up with SF (the #1 or #2 team) to take whatever QB they have the hots for.
So where do you think the Giants will end up in the NFL Draft order?
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My fear is that Darnold stays in school if the Browns pick first and the Browns end up taking Rosen (the QB I prefer).
If the Giants pick in the top spot and pass the word to Darold that he would be their choice, then Darnold would be an absolute fool to go back to USC.
Worse. Browns pick 1st, Darnold decides to play college another year instead of playing in Cleveland. Rosen goes 1 to Browns
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and pick Darnold. Giants will pick Rosen 2nd.
Worse. Browns pick 1st, Darnold decides to play college another year instead of playing in Cleveland. Rosen goes 1 to Browns
Yeah...what Jim said.
This. The Browns might not score against Jax. Their defense is for real. The Browns best chances are the Bears or Steelers. I could see the Steelers already having the playoff seeding set and could pull their starters.
San Fran could compete with the Hundley led Pack.
But all this is mute as apparently the draft order isn't decided by head to head and overall record. Ray in Arlington has been outlining the draft order probabilities each week and apparently the Strength of Schedule is the first deciding factor. Even though we lost to San Fran, they still pick ahead of us based on the SOS.
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and pick Darnold. Giants will pick Rosen 2nd.
My fear is that Darnold stays in school if the Browns pick first and the Browns end up taking Rosen (the QB I prefer).
If the Giants pick in the top spot and pass the word to Darold that he would be their choice, then Darnold would be an absolute fool to go back to USC.
We will go 1-15 and I think the Browns win 2 and the Niners win 1 more.
Depressing but to be honest this is an excellent opportunity to clean house, New GM, New Coach and staff, 1st overall pick with a good amount of talent on this team.
It's rare that you have an opportunity to pick in the top three spots. So in a QB-driven league and with a 37 yr. old QB as your starter, you absolutely have to draft a QB...unless you're just not sold on any of them.
I think by some curse we end up winning one more game somehow.
It would stink if we drop to 3rd. Niners if they have 2 will auction that pick off to a team that wants a QB. Lynch will demand a haul and if Giants want the pick he’ll make them pay a heavy price to move up one spot.
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This. The Browns might not score against Jax. Their defense is for real. The Browns best chances are the Bears or Steelers. I could see the Steelers already having the playoff seeding set and could pull their starters.
San Fran could compete with the Hundley led Pack.
But all this is mute as apparently the draft order isn't decided by head to head and overall record. Ray in Arlington has been outlining the draft order probabilities each week and apparently the Strength of Schedule is the first deciding factor. Even though we lost to San Fran, they still pick ahead of us based on the SOS.
Diver. I think you misinterpreted Ray's thread. If things stayed the same the Giants would pick ahead of SF based on SOS.
That's not happening. Giants will not get #1.
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Sacksonville
This. The Browns might not score against Jax. Their defense is for real. The Browns best chances are the Bears or Steelers. I could see the Steelers already having the playoff seeding set and could pull their starters.
San Fran could compete with the Hundley led Pack.
But all this is mute as apparently the draft order isn't decided by head to head and overall record. Ray in Arlington has been outlining the draft order probabilities each week and apparently the Strength of Schedule is the first deciding factor. Even though we lost to San Fran, they still pick ahead of us based on the SOS.
Diver. I think you misinterpreted Ray's thread. If things stayed the same the Giants would pick ahead of SF based on SOS.
Actually, I'm not. Ray created his thread after our loss to San Fran. In which case, they still pick ahead of us despite beating us.
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Sacksonville
This. The Browns might not score against Jax. Their defense is for real. The Browns best chances are the Bears or Steelers. I could see the Steelers already having the playoff seeding set and could pull their starters.
San Fran could compete with the Hundley led Pack.
But all this is mute as apparently the draft order isn't decided by head to head and overall record. Ray in Arlington has been outlining the draft order probabilities each week and apparently the Strength of Schedule is the first deciding factor. Even though we lost to San Fran, they still pick ahead of us based on the SOS.
Diver. I think you misinterpreted Ray's thread. If things stayed the same the Giants would pick ahead of SF based on SOS.
Actually, I'm not. Ray created his thread after our loss to San Fran. In which case, they still pick ahead of us despite beating us. Ray's Draft Order Thread - ( New Window )
I believe the 49ers rank ahead on that list because they are 1-9 (no bye yet) and NYG is 1-8.
If, however, both teams wind up with same number of wins, and the deciding factor goes to SOS, NYG is currently "leading" with the lower total non-common opponents' wins, 41 to 44.
SF could win 2 more(they play Seattle tough).
Giants : Skins and AZ maybe but highly doubt.
IT'S POSSIBLE.
And I'd be offering it up. Out of Browns,SF, TB, Bears,Bengals,AZ?, Denver,Miami that might round out 9 of top 10 picks, SF TB Bears don't need QB.
Fear may drive those remaining to make the jump for their guy, especially if Darnold stays in school...and others are fearful of a Big 12 QB.
I'm an Eli fan, but if they are in the top few picks and this is as good a QB draft as many say, you absolutely have to pick a QB. The fact that we have no clue about Webb is even more reason.
You only get to pick this high once in a blue moon, if you're not a perennial loser, and to do it in a strong QB draft when your starter is going to be 37? You would be freaking crazy not to draft a blue chip QB. The pick and Webb will sort itself out later.
Epic.
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Sacksonville
This. The Browns might not score against Jax. Their defense is for real. The Browns best chances are the Bears or Steelers. I could see the Steelers already having the playoff seeding set and could pull their starters.
San Fran could compete with the Hundley led Pack.
But all this is mute as apparently the draft order isn't decided by head to head and overall record. Ray in Arlington has been outlining the draft order probabilities each week and apparently the Strength of Schedule is the first deciding factor. Even though we lost to San Fran, they still pick ahead of us based on the SOS.
Diver. I think you misinterpreted Ray's thread. If things stayed the same the Giants would pick ahead of SF based on SOS.
Actually, I'm not. Ray created his thread after our loss to San Fran. In which case, they still pick ahead of us despite beating us. Ray's Draft Order Thread - ( New Window )
I believe the 49ers rank ahead on that list because they are 1-9 (no bye yet) and NYG is 1-8.
If, however, both teams wind up with same number of wins, and the deciding factor goes to SOS, NYG is currently "leading" with the lower total non-common opponents' wins, 41 to 44.
yes. I listed SF ahead of NYG because right now they have the better record. The tiebreak is now in favor of NYG 41 to 45. (due to CAR win over MIN)
If NYG lose to KC they will most probably be listed 2nd.
We will go 1-15 and I think the Browns win 2 and the Niners win 1 more.
Depressing but to be honest this is an excellent opportunity to clean house, New GM, New Coach and staff, 1st overall pick with a good amount of talent on this team.
I totally agree with you.
It is a horrid, brutal season, but if it were ever gonna happen, this truly is the best time it could've happened. This team has been overdue to clean house. Mcadoo went 11-5 last year but in my opinion, his offensive system is atrocious. Terrible blocking scheme and doesn't fit Eli's talent.
Also, Jerry Reese has needed to go for a while now too.
Mix that with a really good top QB class, you definitely need to take next franchise QB to start off new coach and gm and Giants do have a good amount of talent, they really do.
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It would be exciting as hell for the Giants to have the first pick of every round.
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And I expect this Giants team to win at least one more game
So we could be looking at three team with a 2-14 record.
Darnold pulls a Eli draft move and forces his way to New York.
I would be happy with Barkley or Darnold wherever we pick and I think it will be top 3 for sure.
...the #1 pick with a 1-15 record.
Josh Rosen or Baker Mayfield.
Meet our new franchise QB.
...the #1 pick with a 1-15 record.
Josh Rosen or Baker Mayfield.
Meet our new franchise QB.
Yeah I view us as the worst team in football right now. Both SF and Cleveland have the much better chances at wining another game
I love Eli, but it's time to think about life after him.
webb is a 3rd round pick and eli is aging the reality is they need to look franchise QB and with dak and wentz already in the division that highlights the need there too washington is going to end up losing cousins and wonder why they did that as they look for someone to replace him
same the giants would look back and wonder why they didnt take the QB when this opportunity was presented yes webb may be good enough to take over from eli, if that is so then great they could easily trade the QB they draft this year in that scenario but they need to think QB and fix the OL,add a top tier CB with the troubles both drc and jenkins have caused them one of them is likely going (drc most probably)
they need to fix the OL before they even consider a RB this is why the david wilson was such a bad pick that #1 pick should have been spent on fixing the OL to make the RB they had better,this was further compounded by wilsons very short career this is the reason for the the OL they are fielding and losing behind right now
Some of you act as though the GM has a big red button on his desk that reads "trade down".
Some of you act as though the GM has a big red button on his desk that reads "trade down".
A low 1st round pick is not that hard at all to trade down with:
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A lot of people probably thought Eli, Rivers and Ben were pretty equal. Obviously the Giants didn't.
No way this team gets the #1 pick. They are going to win 3-4 games and take themselves out of the running for a franchise QB.
I am with you ... find a team that is in love with a QB coming out this year and trade down for boat load of extra picks.
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This is assuming they are in the top 3 spots.
I am with you ... find a team that is in love with a QB coming out this year and trade down for boat load of extra picks.
Like we shouldn't be interested in a stud QB for the future?
All you have to do is stipulate in the trade who you want and make sure the team their trading with understands that player is hands off.
But how about the other teams (in between your original pick and new lower pick) that aren't involved in the trade?
Eli's future value to the team is completely short term and may actually be nothing.
That pick is all about long term value.
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All you have to do is stipulate in the trade who you want and make sure the team their trading with understands that player is hands off.
But how about the other teams (in between your original pick and new lower pick) that aren't involved in the trade?
You do due diligence on this. Everyone has an idea what the other teams are interested in and if your only trading back one spot there are no other teams to worry about. One spot still gets you multiple picks in the early rounds if your original pick is a low one.
If none of that works out you don't trade back but it would be silly to not explore the possibilities. One last thing, I predicate this on Reese being gone. I don't have any desire to see him handling anymore drafts for the Giants
A lot of people probably thought Eli, Rivers and Ben were pretty equal. Obviously the Giants didn't.
It would weaken the 49ers strength of schedule whether they beat us or not.
Eli's future value to the team is completely short term and may actually be nothing.
That pick is all about long term value.
Agree 100%. Whether Manning retires this year or plays several more years is completely irrelevant. He is at the very end of his career. The Giants hopefully won't get another top 5 draft pick for 20 years. THIS is the time to pick your future QB. End of story.
I suppose playing him for half a game for a few weeks would be dumb???
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This is assuming they are in the top 3 spots.
I am with you ... find a team that is in love with a QB coming out this year and trade down for boat load of extra picks.
Like we shouldn't be interested in a stud QB for the future?
We should be but, I would like for the Giants to not force the pick just because they may have the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft. That shouldn't mean you grab a QB automatically.
I am a college Football fan but, I don't know much about scouting college players. I am reading that the top 2-3 QBs coming out this year are not as strong as previous classes and 2017 is not a very good year to take a QB that high.
I do know (think) that the Giants have a lot of holes that need filling on both side of the ball. When rebuilding a team the more picks you have the better (imho).