Yes the offense was pretty awful yesterday but it was hard not to be impressed by how #10 kept everything together and moved the ball with no turnovers and playing with 3 undrafted WRs and a bad game out of Engram.
Did you notice the roar he got from the locker room when he was called to break it down after the game? There's no question who that team sees as it's quarterback and leader.
With that said, I acknowledge the Giants have to start planning for life after Eli at some point, although I still think it's a year to soon. This guy has at least 2-3 years left of playing at high level. Besides, I don't see anybody in college right now who has even close to the same upside as Manning. If this team fixes it's offensive line and improves the running game for next year, watch out! Eli will again be one of the game's best QBs.
Here's to our golden boy, or as my family and I refer to him as: "the guy who does everything right".
Oh I don't disagree there. If one they love falls to them, you absolutely do it. I think the expectation should be set clearly that if they draft a qb, he's going to sit for a few years.
you can change the GM and you can change the HC, but if Eli is the quarterback next year, it will be the same story as this year. never mind the league, he's the worst quarterback in the division . . . by far.
you can change the GM and you can change the HC, but if Eli is the quarterback next year, it will be the same story as this year. never mind the league, he's the worst quarterback in the division . . . by far.
Eli's game has deteriorated, but this is a ridiculous assessment. The Giants do not have a better NFL QB on their roster right now and likely won't next year either.
Have you watched Dak Prescott play much? I'd take Eli right now over him. He has nice mobility but after that it is sort of hard to see him as the QB of the future. Since he took over for Romo it seems like Dez Bryant went into the witness protection program.
I hate to say it, but if Eli wants to play in 2019 at age 38, hell probably do so in another uniform.
holy shit.
if the defense played like this all year the team would be .500 at worst.
That wind was brutal yesterday...Smith couldn't handle it...
Also did anyone see Dak yesterday...?
Little different playing QB in the NFL with no running game...
He's 37 years old. This isn't some fantasy land where the good guys live (play) forever.
I still think Eli looks like he has 3-5 years left. Even recently, when he's had time he's looked sharp.
holy shit.
if the defense played like this all year the team would be .500 at worst.
The fans crediting Eli with the win are the usual suspects that believe all wins are because of Eli and all losses are because of everyone else.
one thing with Eli (or any QB really) we can rarely really evaluate is the throws he didn't make. How well is he seeing the field and trusting his ability to make a throw.
there were at least 2 occasions yesterday where there was a better play to be made (as seen on replay) that he didn't make. one was on the play where he had 10 minutes to throw the ball... I think it was King running free but Eli either didn't see him or didn't think he could make the throw and ended up with the 6 yd completion instead.
of course, that could also work tot he good --a QB not making a throw that some other would have and ended up as a pick.
I still think Eli looks like he has 3-5 years left. Even recently, when he's had time he's looked sharp.
I love the guy but he hasnt been sharp at all. His accuracy at this stage of the game is horseshit and his deep ball (on occasions he lets it rip) are off. The 2 in the Charger game stand out as does the ball to Shepard that should have been a 70-something yard score 2 weeks ago.
By all means prepare for the transition though and start developing Webb or whomever but short term stick with the proven product...
What amazes me is people think it will be so easy to find the next franchise QB so just flush the guy down the toilet...
Look at how long it took from the time Simms retired...
The Eli bashing is pretty sad. I guess we have a bunch of " what have you done lately " fans on this board. In case you forgot, Eli has been pretty successful here and is a class act. I want to watch a winner as much as the next guy but I will not bash Eli, especially after a win in which he played very will against a 6-3 team in windy conditions with the supporting cast he is playing with.
I suggest we try to use our intelligence when we post about our QB after a win in this dismal season.
They are working on life post Eli. I read yesterday the NYG FO and scouts were at the Colesium for the USC/UCLA game.
His time has basically come to an end...
The Eli bashing is pretty sad. I guess we have a bunch of " what have you done lately " fans on this board. In case you forgot, Eli has been pretty successful here and is a class act. I want to watch a winner as much as the next guy but I will not bash Eli, especially after a win in which he played very will against a 6-3 team in windy conditions with the supporting cast he is playing with.
I suggest we try to use our intelligence when we post about our QB after a win in this dismal season.
This is how I feel.
Would you give up the possibility of making the playoffs in 2019 to give Eli one more year?
I guarantee those disagreeing with me or criticizing Eli on this thread are all under the age of 30.
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give him the last two years of his contract.He is still the face of the franchise, a pure sportsman. I never heard him talking bad about teamates or coaches.A true Giant!!!
Would you give up the possibility of making the playoffs in 2019 to give Eli one more year?
Ummm you have it backwards.
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give him the last two years of his contract.He is still the face of the franchise, a pure sportsman. I never heard him talking bad about teamates or coaches.A true Giant!!!
Would you give up the possibility of making the playoffs in 2019 to give Eli one more year?
No,but i believe we can make the playoffs again with Eli.And i know his time will come to an end someday.
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give him the last two years of his contract.He is still the face of the franchise, a pure sportsman. I never heard him talking bad about teamates or coaches.A true Giant!!!
Would you give up the possibility of making the playoffs in 2019 to give Eli one more year?
No,but i believe we can make the playoffs again with Eli.And i know his time will come to an end someday.
As unfortunate as it sounds, you're not making the playoffs in 2019 with a 39 year Eli. Maybe not with a second year player at QB either, but Eli is going to continue to decline.
Eli is fine but the Giants need to wake the fuck up and stop with this popgun chuck and duck horse shit offensive system. Get Eli a running game that actually breaks a big play once every month. Upgrade the OL. Go from there.
Eli could in fact play another 3-4 years. But he needs help.
I know we all have opinions on the future: I'd like to see a power run game. Flowers, re-sign Fluker. Keep winning some games - target Quenton Nelson in the draft (special player). Let Eli work play action behind these monsters in a good run scheme.
Eli has always been a terrible fit in a WCO. He is not a Kurt Warner, hit guys on the run with short passes guy. Go back to a more traditional play action, drop back scheme that emphasizes pulling the S up and getting chunk completions, with Eli throwing to spots.
I think we have the OL to run this kind of scheme.
Wheeler - Quenton Nelson - Brett Jones - Fluker - Flowers
I believe this is an OL that could wear teams out in the type of scheme I'm describing above! Just one fan's opinion on the direction of the offense moving forward.
Eli is fine but the Giants need to wake the fuck up and stop with this popgun chuck and duck horse shit offensive system. Get Eli a running game that actually breaks a big play once every month. Upgrade the OL. Go from there.
Eli could in fact play another 3-4 years. But he needs help.
His deep ball has been in decline for the past few years which is why they switched to a WCO.
Of course, but i think we are not forced to take a QB.
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and potentially draft his successor with the rare opportunity of a top 3-5 pick.
Of course, but i think we are not forced to take a QB.
Not forced, but very likely the value of QB at that pick will be significantly higher than other positions, given the regard for Darnold and Rosen, in particular.
Yes, it does go against the narrative of some posters.
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but you have to build an offense around Eli that caters to his strengths and hides his weaknesses. If the Giants love a QB in this coming draft, get him at all costs. Eli holds things down as long as he can. Simple as that.
Eli is fine but the Giants need to wake the fuck up and stop with this popgun chuck and duck horse shit offensive system. Get Eli a running game that actually breaks a big play once every month. Upgrade the OL. Go from there.
Eli could in fact play another 3-4 years. But he needs help.
His deep ball has been in decline for the past few years which is why they switched to a WCO.
That is not why they made the switch and I disagree his deep ball is in decline...
Give him consistent time and you will see...
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but you have to build an offense around Eli that caters to his strengths and hides his weaknesses. If the Giants love a QB in this coming draft, get him at all costs. Eli holds things down as long as he can. Simple as that.
Eli is fine but the Giants need to wake the fuck up and stop with this popgun chuck and duck horse shit offensive system. Get Eli a running game that actually breaks a big play once every month. Upgrade the OL. Go from there.
Eli could in fact play another 3-4 years. But he needs help.
His deep ball has been in decline for the past few years which is why they switched to a WCO.
That is not why they made the switch and I disagree his deep ball is in decline...
Give him consistent time and you will see...
23-78 last year, with 6 TDS, and 6 INT, 22nd in the league
10-38 this year, with 3 TDS and 6 INT, 30th in the league, with 1 drop.
He was 5-21 before everyone got hurt, with only 1 drop.
They hired Ben to up Eli's completion percentage, and take advantage of shorter, quicker passes. Why else would they do that?
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but you have to build an offense around Eli that caters to his strengths and hides his weaknesses. If the Giants love a QB in this coming draft, get him at all costs. Eli holds things down as long as he can. Simple as that.
Eli is fine but the Giants need to wake the fuck up and stop with this popgun chuck and duck horse shit offensive system. Get Eli a running game that actually breaks a big play once every month. Upgrade the OL. Go from there.
Eli could in fact play another 3-4 years. But he needs help.
His deep ball has been in decline for the past few years which is why they switched to a WCO.
That is not why they made the switch and I disagree his deep ball is in decline...
Give him consistent time and you will see...
23-78 last year, with 6 TDS, and 6 INT, 22nd in the league
10-38 this year, with 3 TDS and 6 INT, 30th in the league, with 1 drop.
He was 5-21 before everyone got hurt, with only 1 drop.
They hired Ben to up Eli's completion percentage, and take advantage of shorter, quicker passes. Why else would they do that?
Is 14th in the league this year in attempts, and was 4th last year in deep passing attempts.
Again you would have to look at each one I individually to see where blame should be correctly placed...
Can you link to that, please?
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in 2016 were deemed uncatchable by PFF
Can you link to that, please?
It's part of the paid service so the link won't work
I guarantee those disagreeing with me or criticizing Eli on this thread are all under the age of 30.
Wrong.
The people disagreeing with you are not blinded by emotion.
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in 2016 were deemed uncatchable by PFF
Can you link to that, please?
It's part of the paid service so the link won't work
Then how about a little context?
A. What qualifies as a deep pass?
B. How does that compare to other QB's in 2016?
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but you have to build an offense around Eli that caters to his strengths and hides his weaknesses. If the Giants love a QB in this coming draft, get him at all costs. Eli holds things down as long as he can. Simple as that.
Eli is fine but the Giants need to wake the fuck up and stop with this popgun chuck and duck horse shit offensive system. Get Eli a running game that actually breaks a big play once every month. Upgrade the OL. Go from there.
Eli could in fact play another 3-4 years. But he needs help.
His deep ball has been in decline for the past few years which is why they switched to a WCO.
That is not why they made the switch and I disagree his deep ball is in decline...
Give him consistent time and you will see...
How many starting NFL QBs can't deliver a good deep ball if given "consistent time?" The answer is roughly zero. I love Eli and you can still win with him, but it is time to start planning the post-Eli era.
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in 2016 were deemed uncatchable by PFF
Can you link to that, please?
It's part of the paid service so the link won't work
Then how about a little context?
A. What qualifies as a deep pass?
B. How does that compare to other QB's in 2016?
Targets of more than 20 yards downfield.
The way PFF lists the stats makes B tough. The uncatchable stats are under WR stats, so in order to figure out where it ranks in terms of 2016 qbs I'd have to export each teams WR stats, tally them up by team and then rank them.
Possibly something I can do later in the week.
PFF doesn't give much insight into how they determine it even with the paid model which is frustrating, thankfully my job paid for it.
The uncatchable number could not count ones where they deem the WR ran the wrong route, but it's impossible to know.
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in 2016 were deemed uncatchable by PFF
Can you link to that, please?
It's part of the paid service so the link won't work
Then how about a little context?
A. What qualifies as a deep pass?
B. How does that compare to other QB's in 2016?
Targets of more than 20 yards downfield.
The way PFF lists the stats makes B tough. The uncatchable stats are under WR stats, so in order to figure out where it ranks in terms of 2016 qbs I'd have to export each teams WR stats, tally them up by team and then rank them.
Possibly something I can do later in the week.
Actually those numbers are off, 2017 is for some reason listed as uncatchable while 2016 is listed as catchable.
I'll put this ranking together and make a thread.
you can change the GM and you can change the HC, but if Eli is the quarterback next year, it will be the same story as this year. never mind the league, he's the worst quarterback in the division . . . by far.
Sorry, this comment borders on nonsense. How many dropped passes yeterday, including a couple that should have been big plays? One big play to Engram taken away by a questionable at best PI call. Another walk-off game-winning drive. C'mon, man.
5th most attempts (71)
4th most uncatchable (25)
Tied for 3rd worst uncatchable % (50.56%). Only behind Pittsburgh and Jacksonville and tied with the Jets, Arizona, and the Browns.
An interesting correlation: 7 of the 12 playoff teams ranked in the top 12 in terms of catchable deep ball %. Only 3 of the 12 playoff teams ranked in the top 10 of deep ball attempts (Pitt, GB, NYG).
5th most attempts (71)
4th most uncatchable (25)
Tied for 3rd worst uncatchable % (50.56%). Only behind Pittsburgh and Jacksonville and tied with the Jets, Arizona, and the Browns.
An interesting correlation: 7 of the 12 playoff teams ranked in the top 12 in terms of catchable deep ball %. Only 3 of the 12 playoff teams ranked in the top 10 of deep ball attempts (Pitt, GB, NYG).
That should be 45 uncatchable passes
Got your finger on the pulse, as usual...
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5th most attempts (71)
4th most uncatchable (25)
Tied for 3rd worst uncatchable % (50.56%). Only behind Pittsburgh and Jacksonville and tied with the Jets, Arizona, and the Browns.
An interesting correlation: 7 of the 12 playoff teams ranked in the top 12 in terms of catchable deep ball %. Only 3 of the 12 playoff teams ranked in the top 10 of deep ball attempts (Pitt, GB, NYG).
Thanks.
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Eli's 2016 deep ball ranks:
5th most attempts (71)
4th most uncatchable (25)
Tied for 3rd worst uncatchable % (50.56%). Only behind Pittsburgh and Jacksonville and tied with the Jets, Arizona, and the Browns.
An interesting correlation: 7 of the 12 playoff teams ranked in the top 12 in terms of catchable deep ball %. Only 3 of the 12 playoff teams ranked in the top 10 of deep ball attempts (Pitt, GB, NYG).
Thanks.
The correct 2017 numbers are 20 uncatchable deep balls out of 28 attempts. 71% uncatchable
Eli's brother won a Superbowl at 40 despite having multiple surgeries on his cervical spine and requiring a couple years of therapy and rehab.
Eli is the least of our problems and is not the guy we should be looking to replace. Eli will be our QB for the next 2 to 4 years. He will stop playing when he chooses to stop.
If I'm considering those things, I'd say Eli hasn't looked too bad.
Perfect example is the Cowboys. With Tyron Smith, Dak was seemingly unstoppable. 2 games without Tyron Smith and they're comparing Dak to Ray Charles.
Yes, it is time to look for his successor, but I still think this team is still only a piece or two away from being a serious contender.
Eli's brother won a Superbowl at 40 despite having multiple surgeries on his cervical spine and requiring a couple years of therapy and rehab.
Eli's brother won a super bowl at 40 on the shoulders of a defense that goes into the books about as good as the 2000 baltimore ravens. It takes about a second of looking up to remember how terrible Peyton Manning was in his final year. He was carried.
How likely are you to bet your mortgage on how many Giants games Terry Bradshaw has watched in the last year?
I love Eli, but his time is coming to an end.
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they won despite eli. again, i love eli, but he looks dreadful out there. awful. he is the single biggest reason for the offense's continued dysfunction and there's really no other way to see it at this point.
you can change the GM and you can change the HC, but if Eli is the quarterback next year, it will be the same story as this year. never mind the league, he's the worst quarterback in the division . . . by far.
Sorry, this comment borders on nonsense. How many dropped passes yeterday, including a couple that should have been big plays? One big play to Engram taken away by a questionable at best PI call. Another walk-off game-winning drive. C'mon, man.
The questionable PI was indeed questionable. In most other teams games this is an afterthought, here on BBI and with the shitty offense we have you would think it was akin to stealing the game from us.
Too many dramatics and way too many drama queens on this site looking externally to share the blame for a team that cannot score double digits unless it's defense forces at least 3 turnovers a game...
I still think Eli looks like he has 3-5 years left. Even recently, when he's had time he's looked sharp.
Bingo and I know there aren't a lot of people that remember that but I would hate that!Eli doesn't deserve that.To hell with the fans(seriously)let Eli play!
Brilliant analysis...you do realize there was 40 mph winds and 5 to 8 drops...
No one is saying he played great or that they shouldn't be planning for his successor...
But what burns some people are the dopes who say he is the cause of the problems and is finished...
Same geniuses who were saying he was a bust in 2007...