Unfortunately, this will bring out the Webb screamers even moreso.
If you're going to bench Eli, might as well do it for someone that might be part of the future. Geno Smith is awful. What does starting him get the team?
I get it - I think he was offered to start the game to keep the streak alive under the premise that he would be removed after one series or something. And he declined that. Makes much more sense.
stupid. Smith does not give the Giants a better chance to win than Eli. But it looks like everyone calling for Webb will get to see him as well at some point. Very classy as usual by Eli to decline to start just to keep his streak alive.
Eli declined to start?? what does that mean... it must have been presented to him in a way where the only classy response was to decline.
and why Geno and not Webb? do the coaches think geno is going to save their jobs? if they are throwing in the towel for 2017, then let Webb get some reps.
Coach McAdoo told me I could continue to start while Geno and Davis are given an opportunity to play, Manning said. My feeling is that if you are going to play the other guys, play them. Starting just to keep the streak going and knowing you wont finish the game and have a chance to win it is pointless to me, and it tarnishes the streak. Like I always have, I will be ready to play if and when I am needed. I will help Geno and Davis prepare to play as well as they possibly can.
and Mara, otherwise who the f*ck is McAdoo to make this decision?
On the one hand, I'm stunned and saddened that I have to watch another QB start a game under center for the GMEN for the first time since November of 2004.
On the other hand, maybe Eli does feel it's time to get out from behind that OL. While his streak will be ruined, his stats, W/L record and physical well-being will be spared.
Eli of course should start and play until maybe week 17.
BUT for all the people clamoring to see Webb, why do you not want to see Smith? The truth is that Geno probably has a good a shot as being the QB of the future as Webb does.
He will get playing time. Geno has gotten snaps under center all year in practice. Now Webb will get his and, from the looks of it, playing time at NFL speed.
Eli Manning: Coach McAdoo told me I could continue to start while Geno and Davis are given an opportunity to play. My feeling is that if you are going to play the other guys, play them. Starting just to keep the streak going and knowing you won't finish the game and have a chance to win it is pointless to me, and it tarnishes the streak. Like I always have, I will be ready to play if and when I am needed. I will help Geno and Davis prepare to play as well as they possibly can."
Cant believe they are doing this to Eli... Disrespectful, really...
Eli deserves better than this...
Seriously? The season is OVER and Eli may not be here next year. It's time to start looking at the future, if that means benching Eli to get Webb time so be it.
And not your rookie QB. Geno who has zero future with the team over seeing what the rookie QB has. In a lost season. I'm not sure you can be dumber if you tried.
Eli was given the option to keep steak alive but declined. Said it would tarnish it if he couldnt play and be in it to win, but just to keep it alive.
Point appears to be to evaluate Geno and Webb in the last few games. They all say its in the best interests of the org to evaluate eveyone. (How realistic an assessment theyll get is debatable IMO.)
Respect to him for not keeping it alive artificially, I guess.
He is not going to be with the team after this year. I could see the team working Webb into some game action for evaluation purposes, but to sit Eli to play Smith is just a slap in the face to Eli.
I don't think it's unreasonable of you. (Well, I guess I don't know just how sad it makes you, but). Eli's been a great player for us, and a good guy to boot. Very sad to see things wind down this way.
what bears watching is 1) if the Offense looks good with Geno under center, or even if it looks Geno has something to offer the Giants long term... and 2) if this paves the way for Webb to start in a game or 2 and we get the final 3 games with him at the helm.
I feel bad for Eli but am interested to see what this change does for the offense, if anything.
Just as Mara scapegoated all the problems the Giants had on Coughlin and no one else, he is going to do the same with Eli at the end of this season. To me this is becoming increasingly obvious now.
to fire McAdoo and Reese.
Start Webb, OK. I could possibly see some logic in that, but start Geno? Why?
Maybe he has a chance to be the starter next year? HA!
Maybe he'll play so well other teams will make trade offers? HA!
This is a bad joke on top of a disaster of a season. So fucked up. Fire these fucking idiots now. This is the absolute worst.
And it's because of the decision to start Geno Smith over the rookie QB. I'm be unhappy with the decision as well if they started Webb but at least it's more understandable to see what he has in a lost season. BUT to choose Geno Smith over Eli Manning? To say that Geno who has zero future with the team, gives you a better chance to win than Eli, I do view as a horrible insult.
Eli has had a crappy year and wasn't that good last year either - but a lot of what's going on here isn't his fault.
I feel really bad for him. But this is the reality of the league... he's had a long, successful career.
It's like having to put a pet down. You know at best, you'll get about 12 years or so if everything goes well, but inevitably, that day is going to come.. here we are.
We all know what Geno can do, don't halt Eli's streak for that. What we need to know is how far Webb has progressed. For goodness sake what has happened to this franchise? They can bring him for the second half.
In a year where this organization has been an embarassment.....
where we've seen our players urinate like dogs on the field. Players give each other up through back channels in the media. We've seen players quit. We've seen the head coach throw people under the bus.
After all this, you allow the most stand up man in that room and the face of the franchise (even if moreso the past than future) to fall on the sword?
Geno over Webb - the more I think about it, this make sense. once you decide to see what the other guys have, you have to start Geno for game or 2 and allow Webb to take more reps in practice and get him ready for the final 2-3 games.
If geno sucks, you get Webb in quicker... if Geno looks good, well that is a different and more interesting dilemma. either way, it probably makes more sense than starting Webb cold.
People actually think this decision is all McAdoos'?
Geno over Webb - the more I think about it, this make sense. once you decide to see what the other guys have, you have to start Geno for game or 2 and allow Webb to take more reps in practice and get him ready for the final 2-3 games.
If geno sucks, you get Webb in quicker... if Geno looks good, well that is a different and more interesting dilemma. either way, it probably makes more sense than starting Webb cold.
where we've seen our players urinate like dogs on the field. Players give each other up through back channels in the media. We've seen players quit. We've seen the head coach throw people under the bus.
After all this, you allow the most stand up man in that room and the face of the franchise (even if moreso the past than future) to fall on the sword?
I think this has to be Reese and Mac hoping that if Geno plays well then they can ise Eli as a scapegoat and potentially save their jobs. I don't see what else this could possibly be.
A couple of classless fucks who've run this team into the ground and their looking to deflect blame.
and I really thought that, given the way the Giants do business, they would let him ride out the season. But I guess that stinkbomb in Washington was the last straw, even for management (who are undoubtedly okay with this - frankly it hints that they may be more behind McAdoo than many suspect).
Eli, I will try my best to be there when you're enshrined in the Hall!
and I do not believe anyone who says they aren't watching the upcoming game(s) or are done with the Giants. have youe temper tantrum and then you'll be back here next week either saying "I told you so" if Geno sucks, or offering excuses why the Giants offense looked better under him.
They want to see what they have in Geno and Davis. They give Eli the option to start to preserve streak. Eli says no thanks - don't need the facade of a streak.
Geno starts to allow Webb to not freak out in his first start but to get comfortable before he comes in.
I don't see the issue. Everyone wanted to see Webb eventually anyway. Starting Geno takes some pressure off of Webb.
Eli's decision!!! Bullshit, he's taking one for the team! Reportedly Eli says McAdoo came to him and said they're putting in Geno but Eli would start to keep streak going. Eli responded the streak means nothing, if they want to play Smith and Webb, then play them!
Damn this organization, you sit your best player on offense???
FUCK THIS TEAM , FUCK THEM ALL!!!
Geno starts to allow Webb to not freak out in his first start but to get comfortable before he comes in.
I don't see the issue. Everyone wanted to see Webb eventually anyway. Starting Geno takes some pressure off of Webb.
As opposed to starting Eli and bringing in Webb late? I can understand wanting to see Webb, but what does Geno have to do with it? Start giving Webb more reps in practice, let him come in relief for Eli, ultimately let him start if he seems ready for that. Why does Geno factor into that at all?
Geno starts to allow Webb to not freak out in his first start but to get comfortable before he comes in.
I don't see the issue. Everyone wanted to see Webb eventually anyway. Starting Geno takes some pressure off of Webb.
As opposed to starting Eli and bringing in Webb late? I can understand wanting to see Webb, but what does Geno have to do with it? Start giving Webb more reps in practice, let him come in relief for Eli, ultimately let him start if he seems ready for that. Why does Geno factor into that at all?
But Eli said he'd rather not start then come out.
I will say this and I know not many will agree with me
Eli is the greatest Giant to ever put on the uniform. He is not the best player, but when you factor in what he has done for this franchise, the two SB wins, not missing one game in his entire career due to injury, his work off the field, the class that he has shown, never throwing a coach or a player under the bus, he is the gold standard. Today is a sad day.
I think this has to be Reese and Mac hoping that if Geno plays well then they can ise Eli as a scapegoat and potentially save their jobs. I don't see what else this could possibly be.
A couple of classless fucks who've run this team into the ground and their looking to deflect blame.
At least I won't have to watch this week
Or it has more to do with evaluating if Geno actually is worthy of being a backup QB in the future.
and will crash and burn. What a gutless puke Johnny Boy has become. You know any decision like this was signed off by him. This also seems like they will blame the season on injuries and Eli.
Many actually suggested this scenario (proposing Eli starts just to keep the streak alive and then play Webb). Those who said Eli would find that stupid were correct. I honestly can't believe Geno Smith is starting though. As others have said that is the one option that makes zero sense. He isn't the qb of the future. At least there are the college championships to look forward to, the NFL sucks right now.
I'm 46 years old. My family got season tickets in 1981 - 1981 LT's rookie year...
I've seen Bavaro get cut.
I've seen Simms get cut.
I've seen Coughlin get fired.
Who knows - maybe this isn't the end for Eli with the Giants but this is probably the saddest I've felt about someone related to the Giants. Not exactly sure why...
Maybe I viewed all the other players as past their prime. Maybe I still think of Eli as in his prime. I really thought that he still had magic in his right arm and this could've been Super Bowl #3. It sucks. He had another Super Bowl in him coming off XLVI - Reese just didn't surround him with the talent.
For all the magic you brought us over your career. I am sorry it had to end like this, but most endings aren't the stuff of dreams like Strahan....they end just like this.
I wish you well going forward and I will always remember you, how you fought for the Giants and us fans, how you were always the embodiment of class and for making us proud to root for an organization with you at the helm.
I doubt either Reese or ownership were even consulted. McAdoo is the coach. They can't put his job on the line, and then undermine his authority.
I'm not sure how I feel about this, but I appreciate Eli's take on it. If they're going to start him each week, and then take him out of competitive games just to give Geno and Webb reps, then why bother starting him at all?
Start Gino against this struggling team... guarantee a loss. If you start Eli there is a possibility they might win, and drop down in the draft. Keep your eyes on the Prize. That is where we are now ..this is how low this team can go.. call it Macks revenge. He knows he is getting fired so he wants to show the front office that it was not his fault but bad (immobile) QB play. The Joke will be on him. They should start Webb to see what he can do in a real game and to properly prepare for the draft other than judge Webb in practice against his own squad that is not nearly the same as playing in a real game against a real opponent.
No chance McAdoofus made this decision on his own. Mara had to give his blessing. He wasn't going to make his jackass head coach embarrass the QB who won him 2 Super Bowls on his own. This isn't like sitting Eli Apple.
Theres no way in hell Id have done this out of respect for Eli and what hes done for this franchise... even though I think its the right move. I know Ill get slammed for saying that... and I can take it... and not that I think this will happen... but what if Geno lights it up over the next several weeks?
Let me state again... I wouldnt have done it... but I think its the right move. I know most dont want to hear it but Eli wasnt helping the team and in fact was part of the problem. And except for maybe TE there have been changes all throughout the offense... except at one position, QB.
I know it seems very far fetched to even fathom but what if either Smith or Webb come in and suddenly the offense clicks?
Im still stunned by this and again feel the need to say theres no chance in hell Id have done it.
I have always enjoyed being a Giants fan because I felt that the franchise was classy insofar as they were generally decent and loyal.
This decision is indecent and disloyal and really makes me sad more than anything else.
I am going to try not to overreact, but I think it is a disgraceful decision to bench Eli for Geno Smith. It is an insult. Not saying Eli has been strong this year but given the offensive line and the weapons I'm not sure how anybody could have succeeded at QB.
But having an all time franchise guy benched for Geno Smith?
Theres no way in hell Id have done this out of respect for Eli and what hes done for this franchise... even though I think its the right move. I know Ill get slammed for saying that... and I can take it... and not that I think this will happen... but what if Geno lights it up over the next several weeks?
Let me state again... I wouldnt have done it... but I think its the right move. I know most dont want to hear it but Eli wasnt helping the team and in fact was part of the problem. And except for maybe TE there have been changes all throughout the offense... except at one position, QB.
I know it seems very far fetched to even fathom but what if either Smith or Webb come in and suddenly the offense clicks?
Im still stunned by this and again feel the need to say theres no chance in hell Id have done it.
You may be right...Eli has not been Eli for two seasons now.
This smells of McAdoo.... I want Eli to go out with the same class he has always exhibited. I support the Giants because of Eli Manning and all he stands for... What a shit show.
I truly hope the Giants fans go to the parking lot and burn their tickets before entering the stadium to show Mara exactly how much of a fuckup this season has become.
If ownership stands behind Mac or gave the directive to start Geno then they have such little self-awareness it isn't even funny.
This might be one of the worst decisions ever made by the organization. Just an absolute slap in the face to everyone involved.
Have their scapegoat! here comes the RUN....If those Two incompetent pieces of Shit do not get canned after the season this Organization can kiss my ass.
The reason Geno gets the nod, is cause Webb has been inactive all season, and hasn't had the practice nor the reps.
Webb should now get reps this week the earliest or the following week the latest. I also expect him to be active December 10th against the Dallas Cowboys.
They just can't activate Webb (with zero practice) and throw him into the wolves and expect him to be ready for the speed of an NFL game. We should see Webb getting more playing time as the season comes to a close,
a favor to the next HC. That guy would probably not want to rebuild with a 37 year old QB but it would have been messy to start off in NY benching beloved 2-time SB MVP Eli. Now the new coach can go with Darnold/Rosen/whoever day one and there won't be any fan fallout to deal with.
Is it true that Eli was given the option to start and declined?
That doesn't sound like Eli at all.
Quote:
Manning has started 210 consecutive regular season games for the Giants.He was given the option of starting in order to continue the streak.
"Coach McAdoo told me I could continue to start while Geno and Davis are given an opportunity to play," Manning said. "My feeling is that if you are going to play the other guys, play them. Starting just to keep the streak going and knowing you won't finish the game and have a chance to win it is pointless to me, and it tarnishes the streak. Like I always have, I will be ready to play if and when I am needed. I will help Geno and Davis prepare to play as well as they possibly can."
You obviously dont know how the Giants operate. If you think Reese was allowed to ok this. This was okay by Mara
Yeah like you do.. Seriously some of the JR supporters are blind..
the coach he hires sucks.. they think its because Owners hired him.. as if the JR didn't support it and I can bet that he didn't oppose the hiring..
The whole off season JR keeps blaming Eli and supports our OL.. as if Eli is the problem and in his mind the OL is just fine..
Fuck JR.. He has ruined the last 6 years of Eli's career..
LOL. Everyone knows who hired McAdoo. If you think Reese makes any big moves money wise or personal wise without Mara or his little brother Chris, youre foolin yourself.
He was given the OPTION ...to me...means 'We want to see what we got in Geno and maybe even Webb before we possibly draft QB ".
Which in turn begins the process of a goodbye to Eli within the next 2.333 seasons as gently as possible.
Eli knew the day was coming ...the reality has now smacked us all.
Still sucks though.
Do I say "F Y JR " now...or should I wait for the day Eli is no longer a Giant?
Eh! I'll do it now. JR will soon be a GM somewhere else anyway. My preferance is a McDonalds.
Fuck You JR! Ross too! Maras..get in line for the F Y's.
Tuck you
RE: RE: I would encourage any season ticket holders
to not go the rest of the season. I know I won't... Let Management see that stadium full of opponents fans.
Yeah, but the tickets are paid for.
I get that, but the concessions aren't, and the empty stadium is embarrassing for ownership. I still planned on going down mainly to see Eli. Not anymore.
There was a Yankees game where Lou Gherig had lumbago (severe lower back pain) and could barely move. The Yankees were on the road. They put him the leadoff spot, he drew a walk and was replaced by a pinch runner. The Yankees went out of their way to keep his streak going, and nobody ever said the streak was "tainted."
On the other hand, during Ripken's streak, there were times when he needed a day off or should have sat, and the team wouldn't do it until he said so. He was hurting the team. That was a problem and was discussed that way at the time.
Eli's streak wouldn't have been tainted if they decided to look at all three QBs, like they would in a preseason game. It's a games-started streak, that's all it is, and nobody would care if they took him out to evaluate the other guys.
I don't think Eli has been hurting the team, and when we see the other guys I think that will be apparent. But Eli's in decline and the season's lost. The organization needs to see the other guys.
Personally, I'm sad about this, in part because I think Eli is still their best QB, and the season has gone so far off the rails that that no longer matters. Eli is thinking about the best chance to win, because he's focused on winning the next game. That's his job. The coaches and organization are not focused on winning this Sunday; they're thinking about next season, Sunday's game be damned. It sounds like Eli isn't on board for being part of the "forget trying to win the next game, let's evaluate players" thing.
I also think the Giants handled this about as badly as they could.
On the other hand, if Geno has raised his game at all, they need to find that out. I think he's talented guy who had problems with bad decision-making. By his own admission, he never really learned how to be a pro QB, do the right preparation, etc. Maybe being in the QB room with Eli has helped him with that. Maybe he will turn out to have some value to them or someone else.
Webb isn't ready to play but he get his feet wet and get a taste of real NFL game speed. If he does a Peterman-style meltdown they can always put Geno back in. Or, you know, Eli.
Eli isn't done. He will play again, for the Giants or someone else.
and then get relieved by Geno and Webb to see what they have. Eli turned down the option because he wanted to be able to finish the whole game with a win. He thought it would be pointless and so he wants to help Geno and Webb prepare.
I have to question the status of McAdoo's job however. Why would he consider playing all three QBs, unless there was some assurance from the Owners as to his return? If Eli gives him the best shot of winning, then why would he do this, unless he was assured of returning?
As for the streak, though, Eli just passed his brother a couple weeks ago and holds the #2 slot alone. He wasn't ever going to eclipse Favre. So there's that...
They want to see what they have in Geno and Davis. They give Eli the option to start to preserve streak. Eli says no thanks - don't need the facade of a streak.
Geno starts to allow Webb to not freak out in his first start but to get comfortable before he comes in.
I don't see the issue. Everyone wanted to see Webb eventually anyway. Starting Geno takes some pressure off of Webb.
This team/ownership is an embarrassment.
They fucked over TC. If they really respected him but felt he wasn't getting he job done fire him. No. They pushed Gilbride out. Then Fewell. Finally TC to bring in their new big man crush.
That they love this loser shows how inept they are.
And IMO Chris and John Mara threw the coaching staff under the bis since Chris Mara and his pal Reese are knee deep into this team sucking for 5 of the last 6 years. Couldn't be that Chris Mara is a nepotism hire and Reese along w him hate any blame.
Yeah classy organization. Until it's time to take any blame themselves for their shitty management. John Mara is a joke. He cares. Yeah he will
Still wake up richer than God and Immune to being a total incompetent. 45 years of rooting for this team ends today.
I'm not watching and there's no real justification that the coaches or front office that could give to bench Eli Manning for Geno Smith. None. We're 2-9. The ship has already sank. All this does is alienate the guy who was the face of the franchise for 15 years.
McAdoo and Reese better be gone after this season or I may be taking a hiatus from professional football.
You obviously dont know how the Giants operate. If you think Reese was allowed to ok this. This was okay by Mara
Yeah like you do.. Seriously some of the JR supporters are blind..
the coach he hires sucks.. they think its because Owners hired him.. as if the JR didn't support it and I can bet that he didn't oppose the hiring..
The whole off season JR keeps blaming Eli and supports our OL.. as if Eli is the problem and in his mind the OL is just fine..
Fuck JR.. He has ruined the last 6 years of Eli's career..
LOL. Everyone knows who hired McAdoo. If you think Reese makes any big moves money wise or personal wise without Mara or his little brother Chris, youre foolin yourself.
He may get the ok from them.. all employees do that.. but if I hire someone working under me.. I get input.. and if I say no then its a no.. if JR can't get that from his boss then he isn't doing his job.. trust me if you think he went to his boss and said this is a bad decision "don't hire BM" then they would've listened..
This is very clearly the last attempt to save face
on poor drafting. I think Geno plays a game, does shitty so Webb has the chance to be the big hero if he does anything when he comes in. If Webb can grab a game with the offense looking good that's the only chance for Reese to keep his job IMO...
keep the Raiders as one of my two survivor picks. I am not going to lie, my heart sank a bit when I heard Eli wasn't playing. I do not blame him at all for what is going on and it is a shame that he has to go through this.
and then get relieved by Geno and Webb to see what they have. Eli turned down the option because he wanted to be able to finish the whole game with a win. He thought it would be pointless and so he wants to help Geno and Webb prepare.
I have to question the status of McAdoo's job however. Why would he consider playing all three QBs, unless there was some assurance from the Owners as to his return? If Eli gives him the best shot of winning, then why would he do this, unless he was assured of returning?
That's a good point. Maybe this came down from Mara? I can't imaging Reese has the juice left to force this move.
The Eli Manning era is over. There's no perfect way to move on, but he doesn't need some forced illustrious swan song or hyperbolic symbols of loyalty. What's really the difference between now and during the off-season? The former at least will offer a legit Sunday look at Webb vs NFL starters before the draft. That's notable.
Brett Favre WAS the Green Bay Packers for almost 20 years. Few players more embodied a franchise. But he got old and a better course arose. See ya Brett, have fun on the Jets. Or maybe the Packers should have clung on?
Eli has been a great Giant. But Mara is understandably looking to 2018 & beyond.
the season is lost. Good time to see what Smith and Webb can do under real conditions. Also, might be conceding that they don't want to leave franchise QB back there behind a porous O-Line.
I don't see this as Eli not being the starter next year. Why get him beat up in meaningless games.
now I have two reasons to remember this day forever.
First I welcomed my second son into this world this morning.
The second being the day Eli was benched.
This has been a doozy of a day.
Its my birthday today and Ill always remember Eli getting benched now
I was just thinking about that too ya fuck. When we're in our 80's and shitting in our Depends like Al Davis, we'll always remembered what happened on 11.28.17.
Or maybe the plan was to ease Webb in and when Eli declined to only play first halves they had no choice but to go to Geno for first halves.
Bingo --
we are 2- 9 - this season is gone ..
Eli should know this and be a team player ..
if Webb looks good then we can trade him for another draft pick..
There was a Yankees game where Lou Gherig had lumbago (severe lower back pain) and could barely move. The Yankees were on the road. They put him the leadoff spot, he drew a walk and was replaced by a pinch runner. The Yankees went out of their way to keep his streak going, and nobody ever said the streak was "tainted."
On the other hand, during Ripken's streak, there were times when he needed a day off or should have sat, and the team wouldn't do it until he said so. He was hurting the team. That was a problem and was discussed that way at the time.
Eli's streak wouldn't have been tainted if they decided to look at all three QBs, like they would in a preseason game. It's a games-started streak, that's all it is, and nobody would care if they took him out to evaluate the other guys.
I don't think Eli has been hurting the team, and when we see the other guys I think that will be apparent. But Eli's in decline and the season's lost. The organization needs to see the other guys.
Personally, I'm sad about this, in part because I think Eli is still their best QB, and the season has gone so far off the rails that that no longer matters. Eli is thinking about the best chance to win, because he's focused on winning the next game. That's his job. The coaches and organization are not focused on winning this Sunday; they're thinking about next season, Sunday's game be damned. It sounds like Eli isn't on board for being part of the "forget trying to win the next game, let's evaluate players" thing.
I also think the Giants handled this about as badly as they could.
On the other hand, if Geno has raised his game at all, they need to find that out. I think he's talented guy who had problems with bad decision-making. By his own admission, he never really learned how to be a pro QB, do the right preparation, etc. Maybe being in the QB room with Eli has helped him with that. Maybe he will turn out to have some value to them or someone else.
Webb isn't ready to play but he get his feet wet and get a taste of real NFL game speed. If he does a Peterman-style meltdown they can always put Geno back in. Or, you know, Eli.
Eli isn't done. He will play again, for the Giants or someone else.
The Orioles cancelled a game when Ripkin did not show up during the streak. Power failure.
He may get the ok from them.. all employees do that.. but if I hire someone working under me.. I get input.. and if I say no then its a no.. if JR can't get that from his boss then he isn't doing his job.. trust me if you think he went to his boss and said this is a bad decision "don't hire BM" then they would've listened..
i am sorry then you have no idea how the giants work then...
who hired tom coughlin? accorsi or mara?
because according to accorsi he wanted nothing to do qith coughlin and mara over ruled him...
You obviously dont know how the Giants operate. If you think Reese was allowed to ok this. This was okay by Mara
Yeah like you do.. Seriously some of the JR supporters are blind..
the coach he hires sucks.. they think its because Owners hired him.. as if the JR didn't support it and I can bet that he didn't oppose the hiring..
The whole off season JR keeps blaming Eli and supports our OL.. as if Eli is the problem and in his mind the OL is just fine..
Fuck JR.. He has ruined the last 6 years of Eli's career..
LOL. Everyone knows who hired McAdoo. If you think Reese makes any big moves money wise or personal wise without Mara or his little brother Chris, youre foolin yourself.
He may get the ok from them.. all employees do that.. but if I hire someone working under me.. I get input.. and if I say no then its a no.. if JR can't get that from his boss then he isn't doing his job.. trust me if you think he went to his boss and said this is a bad decision "don't hire BM" then they would've listened..
This isn't a normal organization. Its family run. And nothing around is done without John Mara being involved in it. You notice, McAdoo didn't just say he talked to Reese. He said he talked to ownership as well.
And does anyone on here really believe that if Reese said he didn't want McAdoo as coach it would have mattered? Get real
The Giants have benched Eli Manning for Week 13.
Stunningly, hilariously, bafflingly, they are turning to Geno Smith. Third-rounder Davis Webb will also be given playing time down the stretch of the Giants' lost season. The team apparently gave Manning the option of starting Sunday's game before giving away to Smith, but he declined. Manning has made 210 consecutive starts, the second longest streak in NFL history behind only Brett Favre's 297. The streak started on Nov. 21, 2004. We can't pretend Manning has been great this season, but he's also been the least of the Giants' massive problems. The defense has regressed, the receiver corps has been hollowed out by injury and the running game is close to nonexistent. The offensive line, and roster in general, is in shambles. Manning probably deserved the right to play out the season. It's also embarrassing Manning has been benched for Smith, a proven failed option at quarterback. Webb at least offers unknown, theoretical upside. One month shy of his 37th birthday, Manning will be
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are a little odd. Geno is starting and Eli is #2 but not Davis Webb? I thought the point was to get Webb experience and he might not even be dressing this weekend.
it is sad, no doubt... but some of you are wayyy overboard on this. it isn't a "benching" in the traditional sense - the team is done for the year and long term decisions need to be made. They gave Eli the oppty to continue his streak and (to his credit) he declined. Get over it.
all that said, the decision to do this carries with it so much intrigue. whose actual idea was it? what does it mean for the long term prospects for the coach and the GM? what differences do we see, if any, with the other guys at QB and what does that mean for our 2018 draft?
it certainly adds some interest to an otherwise useless season.
The Giants have benched Eli Manning for Week 13.
Stunningly, hilariously, bafflingly, they are turning to Geno Smith. Third-rounder Davis Webb will also be given playing time down the stretch of the Giants' lost season. The team apparently gave Manning the option of starting Sunday's game before giving away to Smith, but he declined. Manning has made 210 consecutive starts, the second longest streak in NFL history behind only Brett Favre's 297. The streak started on Nov. 21, 2004. We can't pretend Manning has been great this season, but he's also been the least of the Giants' massive problems. The defense has regressed, the receiver corps has been hollowed out by injury and the running game is close to nonexistent. The offensive line, and roster in general, is in shambles. Manning probably deserved the right to play out the season. It's also embarrassing Manning has been benched for Smith, a proven failed option at quarterback. Webb at least offers unknown, theoretical upside. One month shy of his 37th birthday, Manning will be
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Like I said, the Giants will get KILLED by EVERYONE for this........
They had better be prepared for the backlash.
I sold my Dallas tix, but man would I love to go and boo that coach when he comes out..............
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Some notable contract numbers for Eli Manning:
* A $5M roster bonus due on the 5th day of the 2018 league year
* A $10.5M base salary in 2018 (non-guaranteed)
* A $22.2M cap hit in 2018
* $9.8M in cap savings if cut/traded
* $12.4M in dead money if cut/traded
I have never been so embarrassed to be a Giants fan. This disgraceful to say the least. You should have fired that stupid fuck McAdoo the second he mentioned this idea and it's not too late. Please fire that asshole before he goes through with this ridiculous plan.
RE: McAdoo the dooshbag said in the presser that Geno Smith
coaches and management of the NYG's feel Eli is done. Mara wanted the cord cut now...and not have a new coach or GM have to be the one to cut him after the season.
the reason Geno is starting ia they REALLY do think he might be the QB of the future. And that reasoning scares the shit out of me more than any other stupid decision. This day was always going to come but they butchered it like everything else theyve done this year
RE: Nothing is ever Reese's fault according to Rflairr.
this is how I see the impact of this decision and it's a huge one that shouldn't be understated how this is a turning point in the Franchise history.
- First, I don't believe McAdoo ever really was a big fan of Eli. Last year, when he questioned some of Eli's decisions, and in the offseason when people were all over Flowers saying "he needs to learn to play without a clean pocket". Some thought this was a distraction thing and Eli can handle it. But we saw the part about the pitch counts in training camp. Also drafting Webb in the 3rd round. And a week or so ago when McAdoo commented that other QBs would get reps and then backed off. Part could be McAdoo blaming Eli's play for the offensive struggles, which in turn saves McAdoo's game planning. Either way, I don't think McAdoo was a big Eli fan.
- We all saw that Giants were going to look at a QB in the first round. They've leaked their interest so Darnold and Rosen have their antenna up to come out in the draft. So that was in motion. This move further cements that.
- I have to believe McAdoo didn't do this alone. As noted above, he's shown signs he's not an Eli guy. But they had to wait until officially eliminated so Mara can get on board. The whole offer to let Eli to start and keep the streak going was a feeble nod of respect to Eli but Eli rightly told them to shove it (in a classy way).
- I had written before that I thought the best case for the Giants was to replay 1993, ie when Simms started and Brown/Graham were on the bench to learn. I thought this would be a good plan for 2018. Let Eli start, and Webb/new first rounder watch. But the x factor here, was the salary cap. The Giants might well have realized to get a QB with a top 3 pick will cost too much to keep Eli and that QB around. So really, Geno is getting his chance to play the veteran QB to keep the seat warm for the new QB. Who saw that coming with Geno as a veteran hand to ready the kids.
- Get Webb on the field in meaningful downs. Don't bring him in down 20 in the 4th quarter. I can play QB against a defense playing prevent that stopped caring. If you are going to do this to Eli, at least get something out of it. Learning that Geno Smith is a caretaker makes this move a waste. Get Webb real experience and cut the crap.
- Eli has to be traded. This is it for Eli. The move has been made and its time to get value for him. If you can't support him in the cap with a new first round QB, you need to trade him and get something back. Teams will want him. Denver and Jax come to mind. Probably you will get a 2nd rounder for him, I'd hope. Think Donovan McNabb to Washington right now. But with this move, Eli is done as a NYG in my mind.
- And lastly, this is it for McAdoo. In my mind, Mara is settling all family business. McAdoo gets to be the bad guy here. But the organization has decided to move on from Eli. No one likes McAdoo anyway, so the "smartest guy in the room" becomes a useful idiot to ownership. The Giants franchise needs to move on from Eli. There is no graceful way to do it with his streak and all he's done. So let the guy who isn't popular do it anyway. And then you fire him after the season and start over from the ground up with a new coach, new QB, and likely a new GM. I think this move has Mara all over it because he's now realized it's time to start this entire thing over. Get the last month of the season to see Webb, say your good byes to Eli, maybe put him in the final Redskins game as a thank you and start everything over in 2018.
Is it true that Eli was given the option to start and declined?
That doesn't sound like Eli at all.
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Manning has started 210 consecutive regular season games for the Giants.He was given the option of starting in order to continue the streak.
"Coach McAdoo told me I could continue to start while Geno and Davis are given an opportunity to play," Manning said. "My feeling is that if you are going to play the other guys, play them. Starting just to keep the streak going and knowing you won't finish the game and have a chance to win it is pointless to me, and it tarnishes the streak. Like I always have, I will be ready to play if and when I am needed. I will help Geno and Davis prepare to play as well as they possibly can."
I don't know if I can watch another Giants game this year or next. The Mannings are class act. I hope Eli ends up with a team that needs QB to compete. Jacksonville looks like they're ready to win. My gut feeling is this was not McAdoo's call. NOT a happy Giants fan right now.
RE: McAdoo the dooshbag said in the presser that Geno Smith
This isn't a normal organization. Its family run. And nothing around is done without John Mara being involved in it. You notice, McAdoo didn't just say he talked to Reese. He said he talked to ownership as well.
And does anyone on here really believe that if Reese said he didn't want McAdoo as coach it would have mattered? Get real
I do.. I don't know what kind of a shitty organization you work for where hiring manager's view point is not accounted for.. but if all key desicions are made by the owners.. than why have JR.. why give JR any credit for anything good that has happened..
and then get relieved by Geno and Webb to see what they have. Eli turned down the option because he wanted to be able to finish the whole game with a win. He thought it would be pointless and so he wants to help Geno and Webb prepare.
I have to question the status of McAdoo's job however. Why would he consider playing all three QBs, unless there was some assurance from the Owners as to his return? If Eli gives him the best shot of winning, then why would he do this, unless he was assured of returning?
That's a good point. Maybe this came down from Mara? I can't imaging Reese has the juice left to force this move.
I think its a smokescreen to get a look at Webb just like many people have asked for Webb will be in the second half thats better than starting for him at this point no pressure .......
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Some notable contract numbers for Eli Manning:
* A $5M roster bonus due on the 5th day of the 2018 league year
* A $10.5M base salary in 2018 (non-guaranteed)
* A $22.2M cap hit in 2018
* $9.8M in cap savings if cut/traded
* $12.4M in dead money if cut/traded
This is wrong. The roster bonus is due on the 3rd day of the league year.
Unfortunately this is very sad but it was going to happen eventually
Eli has played like crap the last two years. The only reason I can fathom for starting Smith is determining if he would be the bridge to the next QB of the Giants. He offers nothing else other than better mobility to run for his life and to be a punching bag until the team has Elis
replacement.
I just hope Jerry and Ben are gone
So the only person losing a job in this shit show is Eli
This isn't a normal organization. Its family run. And nothing around is done without John Mara being involved in it. You notice, McAdoo didn't just say he talked to Reese. He said he talked to ownership as well.
And does anyone on here really believe that if Reese said he didn't want McAdoo as coach it would have mattered? Get real
I do.. I don't know what kind of a shitty organization you work for where hiring manager's view point is not accounted for.. but if all key desicions are made by the owners.. than why have JR.. why give JR any credit for anything good that has happened..
you do know accorsi wanted nothing to do with coughlin and maras basically to bad we are hiring him
Look at my post above. Eli is the first domino to fall. Next year you won't have Eli, McAdoo, or Reese. This had to come from the top, but McAdoo will play the bad guy role and get tossed out at the end of the year anyway.
1. Eli has played quite poorly of late, and may actually be done as a franchise QB.
2. Mara didn't send Reese and Ross out to scout QBs because he felt that Eli was the long term solution here. He did it because we may have a chance to draft a new franchise QB this year.
3. We all wanted to see Webb at some point this season. Perhaps the team feels that Eli won't be a Giant next year, so are seeing whether Smith can hold the fort while they develop a kid QB next year.
I love how Eli is handling this. He's always been all class. I'd love it if the team could trade him to a team in need, but that's quite unrealistic at this point, imo.
never give him an offensive line, put him in a system not suited for him, give many others on the team a pass, but have no problem through out the year calling out Eli,
and then benches him!
What a disgrace to have a non Giant like MacAdoo, do this to an all time great Giant.
great post - really great points and I imagine you are right across the board.
if Mc actually said that about Geno giving them a better chance to win, then WOW - he really is all in on the anti-Eli brigade. it is ont thing to tow the line about seeing for the future, but if he is saying he wants to win now and Eli is holding the team back, then that is a bold statement that will likely seal his death warrant.
great post - really great points and I imagine you are right across the board.
if Mc actually said that about Geno giving them a better chance to win, then WOW - he really is all in on the anti-Eli brigade. it is ont thing to tow the line about seeing for the future, but if he is saying he wants to win now and Eli is holding the team back, then that is a bold statement that will likely seal his death warrant.
Like I said, McAdoo is a useful idiot. I can imagine Reese's "smartest guy in the room" comment to be made almost snidely at this point. Ray Handley was "a computer on the staff" of Parcells too. I think the Giants are going to get rid of everyone, this is the start of, unfortunately, what had to happen here. Mara is getting ready to start it all over.
Got rid of Coughlin in favor of the front office stooges
As for the streak, though, Eli just passed his brother a couple weeks ago and holds the #2 slot alone. He wasn't ever going to eclipse Favre. So there's that...
1. Favre 297
2. Eli 210
3. Peyton 208
Yeah, but Rivers isn't far behind Eli, so he will most likely pass him and push Eli to 3rd.
I'd be willing to accept seeing Webb over Eli at some point...
But Geno? And they had the audacity to throw Eli under the bus yet again in process? Fuck the Giants. Fuck this coach. Fuck'em all. This 50 year fan of this team is done with this shitshow. Only person here that's losing his job is the only guy who showed up and played hard for every single play he was in this season, and his entire career? What a fucking joke...
Not really terribly upset that Eli is getting benched
Pretty pissed that he's getting benched for a never-will-be like Geno Smith. You want to throw the Webb kid in the deep end and see if he can swim? Fine by me, let's see if he can show us something before they spend a top 5 pick on a QB. What the hell is the point of Geno Smith, though?
The is the Mara's cutting ties to Eli and ensuring they do not have an offseason discussion regarding Eli with a new GM or Coach in place. It takes the heat off Reese and Ownership.
Listen...the writing has been on the wall regarding Eli. If the football people want him gone in NY...then this is ultimately the right decision. I just don't really like it as a fan of Eli.
Why they are keeping this clown of a coach the remainder of the year and screwing one of the best QBs the team has ever had is beyond me. From top to bottom this organization is a pathetic joke.
This would have made sense if Davis Webb got a uniform and got a lot of reps in practice, since he has theoretical great upside and could be the next franchise QB. But for Geno Smith? Geno isn't an NFL QB
if you follow the logic of my post and the Giants are going to trade Eli you want to get him out of there before he gets hurt. Half the team is on IR, at least keep an asset in place that is already devalued. Like I said, Mara looks to be settling all family business and this is the start.
great post - really great points and I imagine you are right across the board.
if Mc actually said that about Geno giving them a better chance to win, then WOW - he really is all in on the anti-Eli brigade. it is ont thing to tow the line about seeing for the future, but if he is saying he wants to win now and Eli is holding the team back, then that is a bold statement that will likely seal his death warrant.
Like I said, McAdoo is a useful idiot. I can imagine Reese's "smartest guy in the room" comment to be made almost snidely at this point. Ray Handley was "a computer on the staff" of Parcells too. I think the Giants are going to get rid of everyone, this is the start of, unfortunately, what had to happen here. Mara is getting ready to start it all over.
no, McAdoo is a pussy. Francesa said it perfectly: "he's afraid to call out Beckham, but he'll call out Eli because he knows Eli has too much class to bite back pulicly"
They all suck. Reese, McAdoo and all involved, Mara/Tisch for enabling it. Reese should have been shitcanned after 2015.
As for the streak, though, Eli just passed his brother a couple weeks ago and holds the #2 slot alone. He wasn't ever going to eclipse Favre. So there's that...
1. Favre 297
2. Eli 210
3. Peyton 208
Yeah, but Rivers isn't far behind Eli, so he will most likely pass him and push Eli to 3rd.
Phillip Rivera blew out a knee ages ago. His streak ended at 96 games
Pretty pissed that he's getting benched for a never-will-be like Geno Smith. You want to throw the Webb kid in the deep end and see if he can swim? Fine by me, let's see if he can show us something before they spend a top 5 pick on a QB. What the hell is the point of Geno Smith, though?
I agree. Let's remember they are officially eliminated from the playoffs. Let's see what Webb can do.
if you follow the logic of my post and the Giants are going to trade Eli you want to get him out of there before he gets hurt. Half the team is on IR, at least keep an asset in place that is already devalued. Like I said, Mara looks to be settling all family business and this is the start.
So you're paying the bonus in January....let talking trade?
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This isn't a normal organization. Its family run. And nothing around is done without John Mara being involved in it. You notice, McAdoo didn't just say he talked to Reese. He said he talked to ownership as well.
And does anyone on here really believe that if Reese said he didn't want McAdoo as coach it would have mattered? Get real
I do.. I don't know what kind of a shitty organization you work for where hiring manager's view point is not accounted for.. but if all key desicions are made by the owners.. than why have JR.. why give JR any credit for anything good that has happened..
you do know accorsi wanted nothing to do with coughlin and maras basically to bad we are hiring him
Even is thats true (no one has ever admitted it.. in fact they have admitted to the opposite).. they did listen to Accorsi and simply decided against it.. On the other hand I have never heard or seen anyone claim that JR didn't want BM.. But the JR fan club always makes bullshit assumptions that would support his side..
Why start Smith? He's not the potential future of this franchise.
Also, this clearly has the blessing of ownership...so why the fuck is everyone going ballistic on Jerry or Mcadoo? Give it to ownership as well.
i think Webb just hasn't had any practice reps yet. As a 3rd stringer all year Eli/Geno have taken all the reps. So I'm sure they don't want to just throw Webb out there to drown on the road in Oakland.
Also if Webb was replacing Eli you know how much pressure that would be? Let Geno take the brunt and then have Webb slide in for Geno after the storm clears.
Giants have been a disaster but this move kinda makes some kind of sense. They need to get a look at the other QB's.
if you follow the logic of my post and the Giants are going to trade Eli you want to get him out of there before he gets hurt. Half the team is on IR, at least keep an asset in place that is already devalued. Like I said, Mara looks to be settling all family business and this is the start.
So you're paying the bonus in January....let talking trade?
McAdoo might not get fired. If you knew you were going to fire him, would you let him bench Eli?
On the other hand, if you thought Eli was done or near done - might not be bad idea to let the dead-coach-walking take the hit.
That was Matt's point - they're going to pin this on McAdoo, who will be fired the minute the season ends, so as to let him take the brunt of the anger for this.
Very simple. Eli is not now nor has he ever been a dink and dunk robot. He is the absolute worst choice to run McAdouche's idiotic offense and has been from the beginning. That is why McAdoo will never get another HC job. He could not design a system that would fit the talent available to him. He blames Eli for the failure of his moronic offense and did so with the blessings of the owners.
A shitshow all the way around. The way the Giants treated Simms was shameful. This is pathetic. Eli is the fall guy for all.
great post - really great points and I imagine you are right across the board.
if Mc actually said that about Geno giving them a better chance to win, then WOW - he really is all in on the anti-Eli brigade. it is ont thing to tow the line about seeing for the future, but if he is saying he wants to win now and Eli is holding the team back, then that is a bold statement that will likely seal his death warrant.
Like I said, McAdoo is a useful idiot. I can imagine Reese's "smartest guy in the room" comment to be made almost snidely at this point. Ray Handley was "a computer on the staff" of Parcells too. I think the Giants are going to get rid of everyone, this is the start of, unfortunately, what had to happen here. Mara is getting ready to start it all over.
no, McAdoo is a pussy. Francesa said it perfectly: "he's afraid to call out Beckham, but he'll call out Eli because he knows Eli has too much class to bite back pulicly"
They all suck. Reese, McAdoo and all involved, Mara/Tisch for enabling it. Reese should have been shitcanned after 2015.
Francesa is partly right. McAdoo is a pussy, however, as I noted, Mara is pulling the strings here. There is no way McAdoo can make this move without ownership approval. Period. McAdoo is a ready made fall guy for Mara. Like I said, a useful idiot. But Mara has now come to terms that Eli is done and it's time to move on. The NFL is a tough business and there is no easy way to say goodbye to a legend, but it has to happen sometime. Now is the time.
fuck McAdoo. I defended him for a while but if this was his call than I'd fire him right now. There has to be something else going on behind closed doors.
it was bound to happen. We all have different opinions on Eli's play and how much is on him, but one thing is clear.....Ben MacAdoo does not think Eli has been playing well and he thinks Eli is a reason we are so bad. He's basically said that since the preseason. He's probably been lobbying for this all season long and now that they are out of the playoff picture, he was able to convince the FO that it was time.
and now Eli seeming about to follow the same treatment, I think this franchise will be cursed for 50 years. This is our No No Nanette or Billy the Goat bright line events.
they need to see what they have at QB and whether Webb is worth spending that pick on OL, RB or defense instead of QB. What's surprising is that they went ahead and made the decision with a month to go. It certainly means Eli Manning does not play another game as a Giant. Whether he wants to play in 2018, he most definitely can find a team to give him a 1-2 year deal (Jacksonville for example).
I seem to remember everyone thought it was time. And, they offered him a FO job and hang around the facility for weeks. Few HCs get let go that softly.
but this news still shocks me. I am very surprised Mara is allowing this.
I do not see any possibility of Manning being a member of the 2018 Giants now. They will probably ask him to accept a trade, but I think he might just retire.
this had to happen. Just sucks that is is Macadouche making the call. thank you Eli for a great run, 2 historic super bowls and i hope it takes you to the HOF.. now it is time to clean house and bring in some fresh blood.
Eli declined to start?? what does that mean... it must have been presented to him in a way where the only classy response was to decline.
and why Geno and not Webb? do the coaches think geno is going to save their jobs? if they are throwing in the towel for 2017, then let Webb get some reps.
this makes no sense as currently laid out.
He would not go out there for one series and then get pulled just for the streak. That would be beneath him and you can't help but admire Eli even more for declining that
I seem to remember everyone thought it was time. And, they offered him a FO job and hang around the facility for weeks. Few HCs get let go that softly.
Any Coach with any pride would refuse that offer. It's an insult to someone of Coughlin's stature
A mixture of shock, sadness and excitement? Im shocked they did it. Sad to see the Eli era probably come to an end (at least the streak does, and everything else is soon to follow) but at the same time Ive been ready to move on. Geno isnt going to be the guy and Webb may not be either but Im intrigued just to get on with the process of building this thing back up.
No one wants to hear this given the pounding Mcadoo is taking on this thread but there is also the possibility that he is right, and that Eli is indeed a big issue right now. Not that Geno figures to fare much better but still.
"I am very emotional about this Eli SHIT.. The guy who gave you EVERYTHING for better or worse NEVER missing a game and THIS how it ends?? Not #10! He deserves better, He gave is all when BETTER wasn't there for him.. and this is how it ends?? I hurt for him" - Carl Banks
A guess. I'm guessing they don't want to have Webb run a full game at this point. Be it how many live snaps he's had (as 3rd on the depth chart) or the state of the OL.
If you take Eli's quote at face value, he had the option to continue to start knowing the situation but declined, then Geno is the only remaining option.
McAdoo says they'll see what Geno has because he's not going to say "we need a body to fill the snaps while we work Webb in."
If you take Eli's comments as being classy alone (and not really having the option), then it's just stupid.
but I'm not exactly upset about this. It should help them to lock down a top 5 pick in the draft is Eli is done for the rest of the season. The only upsetting thing to me is "getting a look" at Geno. We know what he is and it's not very good. If you need to get a look at someone, it should be Webb. He's the one that needs to play. If he sucks, fine. If he looks good then maybe they don't have to go after Rosen/Darnold. Hell, it could potentially even boost any trade value he has if they do want to go after a QB high in the draft.
The Giants believe Webb is not ready based on practice performance... Geno Fucking Smith is going to QB the Giants this week .... OHHHHHHHHHHHHH FUDGE .....
RE: Eli is going to have a good chance to win another
If we accept that McAdoo thinks Eli is done or not best fit for his offense (more likely scenario). Then it's his call, like it or not.
But, if that's true then they won't bench him and expect him to stay there. There's definitely a trade afoot. Personally, I think Eli would be in a much more favorable position in Jax.
Jax Coach seems to have a handle on things. They have a great running game and defense. Offense is much better suited to Eli's skill set. TC and Eli get along great - last time Eli looked this sad was when TC got fired.
This moment might not be Eli's happiest but could be storm before the rainbow.
Giants can get some decent picks and move on. You might see Reese gone and different personnel decisions being made - someone more on same page with McAdoo.
Pretty pissed that he's getting benched for a never-will-be like Geno Smith. You want to throw the Webb kid in the deep end and see if he can swim? Fine by me, let's see if he can show us something before they spend a top 5 pick on a QB. What the hell is the point of Geno Smith, though?
I agree. Let's remember they are officially eliminated from the playoffs. Let's see what Webb can do.
This is the Giants honoring their depth chart. As if that is worth anything. Just dumb.
he was a pro about it but he sure looked miserable. Really feel for the guy - every career ends, and rarely on a high note, but this was really a gut punch they gave him.
There is a reason not to play Webb in this game. Do you want the same shitshow which happened to the Buffalo QB two weeks ago when he threw 5 picks? Webb is considered very green coming out. You don't put him on the road in the Black Hole in his first game. He hasn't been in an NFL game when he wasn't in street clothes since the pre-season. The first move was to finally rip off the bandaid and say that Eli Manning is no longer the QB of the NY Giants. That's happened. Next is you throw Geno out there to earn his money and do the best he can in what will almost certainly be a loss, but at the end of the day, all you are asking Geno to do is not get hurt. Let Webb get his reps in practice. Dress for this game and be ready to go in if Geno gets hurt. Maybe get a series or two. And build from there where he gets more time against Dallas and increment from there where maybe he starts the Eagles game and we see him in for Philly, Arizona, and Washington. But I don't throw him out there to the Raiders where his confidence could get shattered off the bat. Baby steps.
I wonder if Eli will dress? I dare you McAdoo, you fat fuck, to put a healthy Eli Manning on the inactive list!
He might be active this week, but once they're ready to have Webb see gametime, of course Eli will be inactive. You don't waste a roster spot. (Comments about how many roster spots we're already wasting aside).
Because no one would be upset if you benched him to see what you have in Webb. But benching him for Geno is very mean spirited. And embarrassing to Eli. Its a bitch move by Benjamin
And screw Jerry and Mara for letting this happen. Fuck them all. Period. This team fucking sucks all around. I know he will never do this b/c he is the upmost pro, but when Geno stinks up the joint and Ben wants to put Eli in, Eli should just give punch him right in the face.
Eli deserved so much better than this. So much better than the last 6 years. I'm sure not everyone would agree with me, but this organization failed him. Look at the Saints and how they have protected their 38 year old QB with a good running game and OL.
I hope this is not the end. I hope this is just a break so Eli can play in 2018. But to quote a famous person, I've got a bad feeling about this.
and I personally never wanted this guy and hope he loses his job before he gets in the car after the last game of the season.
However, there is a good chance that this decision was made for him. Potentially a smart PR move by John Mara to put this all on McAdoo since he is getting canned anyway.
I have never been more disgusted being a Giants fan and that is saying something surviving the Handley era. The thing that bothers me the most is I could always hang my hat on this is a class organization...well that ship has sailed. John Mara you have learned nothing from your father. I am not stupid enough to believe this comes only from MacAdoo you have a slimey hand in it and are not even man enough to be around when the trigger is pullled. Ughhh so damn disgusted.
in a dump of a season, and so many negative situations going on, why not just sit Eli the rest of the season, and start Smith w/ Webb backup then reverse that the last 2 games to make a true evaluation?
Its not likely they would win any of the last 5 anyway, and, if they still wanted the best chance to win, THIS move was unnecessary in the first place.
Another 1/2 ass 1/2 step to address a 2 step problem.
The winner in this: Jack DelRio!
They saved his job if the final score is by 28+
This is a massive and intriguing decision as an organization
You have a sour year where their offense has struggled as a complete unit (no run game, talented receivers wiped out by injuries, poor offensive line, best player has been a rookie tight end). Eli as perhaps the best QB in franchise history at the tail end of his career.
Head coach is most certainly being fired at end of the season. GM Jerry Reese who has won two Super Bowls, his future is in doubt.
At end of November, team announces they're benching Eli. Who conceived the idea (ownership? Reese? if head coach did, how could he sell it to the other two?).
Eli's relationship with the franchise may have been thrown in the trash over this which is the inexcusable part. Geno Smith and Davis Webb do not give them better chances to win these final games. If Reese says that, it's a boldfaced lie.
He's woefully unimaginative and unprepared to be a HC in the NFL.
That being said, I continue to be amazed by how many here care about a given player's individual accomplishment despite the team sucking with him at the helm.
The streak is meaningless. This move take a the streak talk off the table when the organization inevitablely move to another QB. The streak would have prevented that. It's time.
Find out what they have there. Showcase him in case they draft a QB in April.
The Gino Smith stuff is bullshit. He'll never be worth a draft pick.
If I were Eli, I'd have taken the deal and said "I'll play a half, or 3 quarters, then you can let Webb finish."
That's not Eli -- and I respect his POV, without necessarily agreeing with it.
That said, McAdoo is now DONE in NY (and I mean the STATE, not just the team). Whether he's fired or not, he's gonna top Ray Handley as the most hated coach in Giants history.
Does Mara tell McAdoo to get Eli out of the games to keep him out of harm's way in a lost season? Otherwise I am not sure what the impetus is. Mara had to have approved this happening.
There is no possibility that anyone who has watched Geno play over his career believes he gives the Giants a better chance to win any remaining game on the schedule, and I think everyone knows what he is and what he isn't based on a pretty substantial resume in the NFL.
It seems to me it is a clear indication that he is firing McAdoo. It sends the message that wins and losses for the rest of the year are not going to change the evaluation.
Geno Fucking Smith is going to QB the Giants this week .... OHHHHHHHHHHHHH FUDGE .....
Worse than than that, the best QB on the team will be healthy, and being paid millions to carry a clipboard. Fucking pathetic...
I wonder if Eli will dress? I dare you McAdoo, you fat fuck, to put a healthy Eli Manning on the inactive list!
Well....the excuse the Giants Media has given for why Webb was inactive was that there were not enough roster spots available due to all the injuries to activate/dress 3 quarterbacks.
If Webb is going to play some in these last few weeks, that means one of the QB's will have to be inactive. Since they want apparently Geno to start these games, the process of elimination leads you to only one conclusion.
This is a clear acknowledgment that the ground is about to be torn up underneath this franchise. There's no way Jerry Reese is back. There's a .0000005% chance McAdoo is back. It's ugly and it's not Strahan going out on top, but it's the clearest possible acknowledgment that none of this is working.
McAdoo is at best, a stooge, and he's getting canned anyway never to be heard from again. I would not put much stock in his statement that this gives us a better chance to win. Jerry is gone too.
I don't think it necessarily means the end of Eli because he's owed a lot of money, no other team is going to pay shit to take care of the Giants' problems and assume their liabilities, and whatever young guy they pick up will need a mentor. Teams aren't paying anything for a guy they think might get cut.
And this is John Mara's team and he is calling the shots. Good luck with that. Really worked well with his Daddy.
I wonder if Eli will dress? I dare you McAdoo, you fat fuck, to put a healthy Eli Manning on the inactive list!
He might be active this week, but once they're ready to have Webb see gametime, of course Eli will be inactive. You don't waste a roster spot. (Comments about how many roster spots we're already wasting aside).
You wouldn't need to waste a roster spot to start Webb and keep Eli #2. You'd just deactivate Geno.
will now be put in a frame...
Shameful act of cowardice by this org.
Haven't been watching much football, now I just may tank on this team just as they tanked on their leader.
Shame the way they let Simms go, now an even worse disaster.
There is absolutely no question that Mara was at least notified of this before it was made public (and likely before it was discussed with any players), IMO. This isn't just any ordinary lineup decision; this is something that affects PR, marketing, sales, etc. That definitely rolls all the way up the ladder before the decision is final.
It doesn't necessarily mean that Mara endorsed it or agreed with it, but at a minimum that he recognizes that a dumpster fire is a dumpster fire no matter how hot the flames get.
He's played enough and he's been with NYG long enough. They should have been getting him ready for weeks. If there was a QB change, the only guy to play is a rookie.
I don't care about a Buffalo QB throwing a lot of picks. Has nothing to do with Webb.
RE: I don't understand all the surprise regarding Geno
being given the ball. He's been #2 on the depth chart since the start of the season.
I can totally understand the shock regarding Eli, but not Geno. Webb will get his shot and some playing time.
Agreed.
It is often the same at the start of spring training. Giants tend to start the lineup with incumbents from the previous season and then work the possible replacements in slowly.
He's played enough and he's been with NYG long enough. They should have been getting him ready for weeks. If there was a QB change, the only guy to play is a rookie.
I don't care about a Buffalo QB throwing a lot of picks. Has nothing to do with Webb.
This.
This move has nothing to do with seeing what the Giants have for the future. This is all about hoping that Geno puts together a few wins so McAdoo and Reese can save their jobs by pretending that the asinine coaching and terrible personnel decisions are somehow Eli's fault.
McAdoo saying this is the team's best chance to win. That is bullshit.
Reese is saying this is something this is the best thing for the organization right now, which is not at all the same thing as saying it's the team's best chance to win. You can argue that it really is the best thing for the organization, as many have above. But let's be honest -- they're basically tanking the season and starting to look at next year.
I don't think McAdoo is fooling anybody, including the players, and he's going to pay a price in the locker room.
Chance. And they will tell you to a man that they are not tanking the season. If playing for the future - then starting Eli and putting Webb in or starting Webb makes sense to see if hes got anything. Fine. If hes not ready then start Eli.
In no freaking screwed up thinking is starting Geno the answer. No way. This just shows that they have no clue what they are doing and they are lost. Fire everyone in management. Everyone.
Is Mara is simply giving mcadoo all the rope He needs to hang himself. Mcadoo's presser sounded terrifying with phrases like "evaluating for next season." This can't be happening. Right? No way. Please.
The season is lost and the lame duck coach is scapegoating Eli Manning in favor of fucking Geno Smith!? Please. And ownership is going to let Mcadoo disgrace Eli in an effort to save his job? Fuck them too. I will be actively rooting against this team for the first time in my life. It will be the first time in weeks Ive had a reason to watch this sorry, sack of shit team.
Now that the Knicks are getting their house in order a bit
it seems we've taken the torch as the most dysfunctional franchise in New York. Absolute chaos from top to bottom. This is a dark day in Giants history.
Ereck Flowers can play like dogshit for 2 years and not only isn't benched but they aren't allowed to bring in competition in camp for for his position. And please spare me that the guy has improved- he's a terrible left tackle.
-Justin Pugh gets hurt getting out of bed in the morning and the team treats him like he's Larry Allen.
- Half the defense openly quit on the team this year. Couple suspensions but everyone is allowed back.
- Beckham can literally do whatever he wants and the coach or management refuses to even criticize the guy let along fine or suspend him.
- Mcadoo makes every wrong move possible. The "offensive" coach hasn't cracked 30 points. He'll only call out the QB and is the biggest clown I've seen be a coach in any sport for a long time. He gets to finish the year from the "classy Giants". That's the guy you want representing your team?
Yet Eli represents the team with pride and class. Plays every game regardless of health. Never complains or criticizes his coaches or teammates. No need to list all his accomplishments and what he's done for the franchise- we all know them. He's the guy that has to take a seat for a 28 free agent to be quarterback who has proven to be bad in the league and classless off the field? Despicable.
Mara doesn't even the decency to speak with him about it? "Wasn't in the office"??? Mcadoo tries to act like he gave him the opportunity to continue the streak?
Is Mara is simply giving mcadoo all the rope He needs to hang himself. Mcadoo's presser sounded terrifying with phrases like "evaluating for next season." This can't be happening. Right? No way. Please.
I would put the odds on him returning a little higher than what is being said on BBI right now.
It may sound crazy, but I've got a feeling that is how it will go down.
The Giants never realized how bad the backlash of this is going to be. It is all over Twitter and it is easily 95% calling The Giants and McAdoo out over this
you're going to make this change now, you do it for Webb. My guess is that Webb will in fact start some games after he gets more reps in practice. But he should have already had those reps for weeks so he'd be ready to start instead of Smith.
Fire everybody. That isn't an overreaction. It's just what's warranted.
The Eli Manning era is over. There's no perfect way to move on, but he doesn't need some forced illustrious swan song or hyperbolic symbols of loyalty. What's really the difference between now and during the off-season? The former at least will offer a legit Sunday look at Webb vs NFL starters before the draft. That's notable.
Brett Favre WAS the Green Bay Packers for almost 20 years. Few players more embodied a franchise. But he got old and a better course arose. See ya Brett, have fun on the Jets. Or maybe the Packers should have clung on?
Eli has been a great Giant. But Mara is understandably looking to 2018 & beyond.
Good post.
Eli hasn't been good for years. We haven't scored more than 24 points in how long? Even with weapons?
This was a good move. Eli was once great for us, but we need to move on. The NFL is cutthroat and no player deserves to be coddled.
If Benny the boob and Reese's Sh*t Pieces is not fired at the end of this debacle I am done as a NYG fan forever.
Treating a 2 time SB MVP and winner like this is classless.
And Johnny Boy is a spineless phlegm bag along with his brother Chrissy for allowing this even to occur. Mc Acrap should have been fired during the bye week.
What a disgraceful state of affairs. I am done for this year and if the 2 ass's don't go on 1 Jan I am done.
Mara, Reese, and McAdoo. GO FUCK YOURSELVES. I am through until Reese and McAdoo are gone, until then I am a Jacksonville fan, fuck this piece of shit organization.
but if he thinks the QB is not making plays he should, then he is absolutely right to try something different
no one has a guaranteed job
that said, I expect the offense to be just as lousy under Geno.
The offense DEFINITELY is going to look as shitty with Geno. The question is will it look as shitty with Davis Webb whenever he plays? The answer to that will determine A LOT. It will determine the microscopic chance of McAdoo being head coach next season. It will determine just how strongly the Giants go for a QB in the draft. Those answers will then affect the question of who exactly is the HC next year?
this is how I see the impact of this decision and it's a huge one that shouldn't be understated how this is a turning point in the Franchise history.
- First, I don't believe McAdoo ever really was a big fan of Eli. Last year, when he questioned some of Eli's decisions, and in the offseason when people were all over Flowers saying "he needs to learn to play without a clean pocket". Some thought this was a distraction thing and Eli can handle it. But we saw the part about the pitch counts in training camp. Also drafting Webb in the 3rd round. And a week or so ago when McAdoo commented that other QBs would get reps and then backed off. Part could be McAdoo blaming Eli's play for the offensive struggles, which in turn saves McAdoo's game planning. Either way, I don't think McAdoo was a big Eli fan.
- We all saw that Giants were going to look at a QB in the first round. They've leaked their interest so Darnold and Rosen have their antenna up to come out in the draft. So that was in motion. This move further cements that.
- I have to believe McAdoo didn't do this alone. As noted above, he's shown signs he's not an Eli guy. But they had to wait until officially eliminated so Mara can get on board. The whole offer to let Eli to start and keep the streak going was a feeble nod of respect to Eli but Eli rightly told them to shove it (in a classy way).
- I had written before that I thought the best case for the Giants was to replay 1993, ie when Simms started and Brown/Graham were on the bench to learn. I thought this would be a good plan for 2018. Let Eli start, and Webb/new first rounder watch. But the x factor here, was the salary cap. The Giants might well have realized to get a QB with a top 3 pick will cost too much to keep Eli and that QB around. So really, Geno is getting his chance to play the veteran QB to keep the seat warm for the new QB. Who saw that coming with Geno as a veteran hand to ready the kids.
- Get Webb on the field in meaningful downs. Don't bring him in down 20 in the 4th quarter. I can play QB against a defense playing prevent that stopped caring. If you are going to do this to Eli, at least get something out of it. Learning that Geno Smith is a caretaker makes this move a waste. Get Webb real experience and cut the crap.
- Eli has to be traded. This is it for Eli. The move has been made and its time to get value for him. If you can't support him in the cap with a new first round QB, you need to trade him and get something back. Teams will want him. Denver and Jax come to mind. Probably you will get a 2nd rounder for him, I'd hope. Think Donovan McNabb to Washington right now. But with this move, Eli is done as a NYG in my mind.
- And lastly, this is it for McAdoo. In my mind, Mara is settling all family business. McAdoo gets to be the bad guy here. But the organization has decided to move on from Eli. No one likes McAdoo anyway, so the "smartest guy in the room" becomes a useful idiot to ownership. The Giants franchise needs to move on from Eli. There is no graceful way to do it with his streak and all he's done. So let the guy who isn't popular do it anyway. And then you fire him after the season and start over from the ground up with a new coach, new QB, and likely a new GM. I think this move has Mara all over it because he's now realized it's time to start this entire thing over. Get the last month of the season to see Webb, say your good byes to Eli, maybe put him in the final Redskins game as a thank you and start everything over in 2018.
I like this post too. Especially the point of macadoo being the fall guy with Eli. Clean slate for a new coach without having to be the bad guy for cutting Eli.
Is Mara is simply giving mcadoo all the rope He needs to hang himself. Mcadoo's presser sounded terrifying with phrases like "evaluating for next season." This can't be happening. Right? No way. Please.
R** H*****y announced he was forming a strategy for the next season right before he was canned.
McAdoo is history. Then we can blot his name out too.
It wasn't just getting killed by the 49ers or knowing McAdoo was toast - Rightly or wrongly, it was perhaps an extremely anxious Mara realizing the enormity of being done with Eli.
For a couple of reasons, I do not think Reese is getting fired. Including his attendance at USC UCLA a week later.
He's never gotten to pick "his QB". I've always had the sneaking suspicion he wanted to run a modern spread offense. We may find out. (Jackson?)
this is how I see the impact of this decision and it's a huge one that shouldn't be understated how this is a turning point in the Franchise history.
- First, I don't believe McAdoo ever really was a big fan of Eli. Last year, when he questioned some of Eli's decisions, and in the offseason when people were all over Flowers saying "he needs to learn to play without a clean pocket". Some thought this was a distraction thing and Eli can handle it. But we saw the part about the pitch counts in training camp. Also drafting Webb in the 3rd round. And a week or so ago when McAdoo commented that other QBs would get reps and then backed off. Part could be McAdoo blaming Eli's play for the offensive struggles, which in turn saves McAdoo's game planning. Either way, I don't think McAdoo was a big Eli fan.
- We all saw that Giants were going to look at a QB in the first round. They've leaked their interest so Darnold and Rosen have their antenna up to come out in the draft. So that was in motion. This move further cements that.
- I have to believe McAdoo didn't do this alone. As noted above, he's shown signs he's not an Eli guy. But they had to wait until officially eliminated so Mara can get on board. The whole offer to let Eli to start and keep the streak going was a feeble nod of respect to Eli but Eli rightly told them to shove it (in a classy way).
- I had written before that I thought the best case for the Giants was to replay 1993, ie when Simms started and Brown/Graham were on the bench to learn. I thought this would be a good plan for 2018. Let Eli start, and Webb/new first rounder watch. But the x factor here, was the salary cap. The Giants might well have realized to get a QB with a top 3 pick will cost too much to keep Eli and that QB around. So really, Geno is getting his chance to play the veteran QB to keep the seat warm for the new QB. Who saw that coming with Geno as a veteran hand to ready the kids.
- Get Webb on the field in meaningful downs. Don't bring him in down 20 in the 4th quarter. I can play QB against a defense playing prevent that stopped caring. If you are going to do this to Eli, at least get something out of it. Learning that Geno Smith is a caretaker makes this move a waste. Get Webb real experience and cut the crap.
- Eli has to be traded. This is it for Eli. The move has been made and its time to get value for him. If you can't support him in the cap with a new first round QB, you need to trade him and get something back. Teams will want him. Denver and Jax come to mind. Probably you will get a 2nd rounder for him, I'd hope. Think Donovan McNabb to Washington right now. But with this move, Eli is done as a NYG in my mind.
- And lastly, this is it for McAdoo. In my mind, Mara is settling all family business. McAdoo gets to be the bad guy here. But the organization has decided to move on from Eli. No one likes McAdoo anyway, so the "smartest guy in the room" becomes a useful idiot to ownership. The Giants franchise needs to move on from Eli. There is no graceful way to do it with his streak and all he's done. So let the guy who isn't popular do it anyway. And then you fire him after the season and start over from the ground up with a new coach, new QB, and likely a new GM. I think this move has Mara all over it because he's now realized it's time to start this entire thing over. Get the last month of the season to see Webb, say your good byes to Eli, maybe put him in the final Redskins game as a thank you and start everything over in 2018.
This might be the best post I have ever read on BBI. Great job by Matt.
I will forever be an Eli Manning fan. Eli has not been playing well, is 36 years old and the team is 2-9 heading for a top 5 pick with possible franchise QBs available. The time to think about life after Eli is now and the organization needs information about the other QBs on the roster. Webb needs more practice to start, you might as well see what you have in Geno while getting Webb ready. This is solely about gathering extremely important information.
I dont think they can trade Eli, no one will give them enough because of his salary. I think Eli goes into camp next year a Giant and wins the starting job. This is about giving Webb valuable practice and game experience and seeing if Geno has learned anything. If they see nothing in Webb, they draft a QB early, if they see something in Webb they could go RB or OL early in the first. I find this information more important than Elis streak and so does ownership.
Intelligent people gather as much information as possible when making important decisions. This is that. If Webb and Geno stink up the joint, that is valuable information. If the Giants lose their remaining games because of their inexperience, that is also relevant to our draft position. The only negative is that the classiest and best QB ever to wear Giant blue is going to feel slighted(fuck the streak). I wish we were not 2-9 but we and this is the best thing for the franchise to do.
Elias deserves better than this season.
Trying to find a bright side here... At least I won't be watching our captain go down with the ship.
We haven't seen the worst, there is some ugly football coming our way. At least Eli won't have to be in the middle of it.
I think your head is in the sand if you don't realize ELI IS A PART OF THIS SEASON. Reese might be the most at fault... McAdoo too. But Eli is also a part of the reason this is a 2-9 clusterfuck.
I never wanted the Giants to lose a game before this game, and I want them to get blown out 50-0. Mara has no class at all, he is a gutless piece of shit, hiding behind two of the most incompetent people in the sport.
Ernie Acorsi and Eli Manning, Thank You for our Super Bowls, I never thought this piece of shit was any good and this proves it all. let me hear how classy the Giants are now, the most classless handling of a two time Super Bowl MVP in NFL history, that is what John Mara is now.
and a bit more upset than I thought I'd be. Almost has the gut punch feeling of finding out you're being cheated on. I guess it shouldn't but it does. I'm sad for Eli. I can deal with bad losses or bad seasons, but this feels way worse. Very let down by the organization.
And for Geno Smith?!?! GTFOH! How does this inspire anyone else in that locker room to play hard? Well I'll be taking drunk tonight and toasting to this guy
Reese isn't coming back no matter what. Webb would have to look like Joe Montana for McAdoo to come back. So basically no, he isn't coming back either. The difference is there's no Davis Webb behind those guys to evaluate by removing them now.
but he can't start Webb because in doing so he's admitting that he's throwing the games away for an audition which may cause the rest of the team to give up playing hard. McAdoo has to hope that there will be opportunities to play Webb during the remainder of the season.
Of course, playing Smith presents a real problem if Smith stinks up the joint. Who, then, does McAdoo play? Does he play Webb to see what he can do? If so, he's saying that a rookie gives the Giants a better chance to win the game than does Eli, which is tough to accept. If he goes back to Eli, he's losing any attempt to learn what Webb can do. Interesting times ahead.
at least play Webb, we know who Geno is at this point.
I am actually surprised they did it, figured it would be
later in the season if they did it. I think this spells the
beginning of the end for Eli here. They know they have a top 3
pick on the horizon.
This might be the best post I have ever read on BBI. Great job by Matt.
+1
Not a bad read, but to address the point about $: the way rookie contracts are structured now, you can totally have both a first round QB and Eli on the roster for a year. Not saying they'll do that, but I don't think economics will have anything to do with it.
he deserves to start and to play until the game seems out of reach. I think they're starting Geno even though they'd actually rather see Webb. They just don't want to make the transition look too abrupt.
done with this season. All I wish for now is Mac gets fired and Reese too.
I feel sick thinking about Eli not starting behind Geno Smith. This organization has turned into a disgrace to me this season. Sad.
If the goal is to finish with a top two or three draft pick and Webb isn't far enough along in his development to be put behind center, starting Geno Smith is the surest way to finish the season 2-14. Eli is still capable of steering the team to victory on any given Sunday and maybe that's a risk that management didn't want to take. It's not a decision I would've made, but if you strip away the personal/emotional side of it, this is the best thing for the future of the Giants.
I like your post. But why not handle the Eli situation a bit differently. Be honest with Eli about playing Webb and I'm sure he gets it. With the caveat that if he wants to explore a trade in the offseason, so be it. NO reason to embarrass and disrespect him like this now. Especially with a lame duck coach, as you project.
over the past 210 games. Could the Giants management have handled this better, sure. Sometimes the greats also overstay their welcome. Eli has his legacy intact while McAdoo and Reece brush up their C.V. Full rebuild is around the corner. Hopefully Mara and Tisch commission Parcells as a sounding board for any hires. It's always darkest before the dawn, Giants fans. Use the Eagles model and trade up to get the right QB, if he is there.
I like your post. But why not handle the Eli situation a bit differently. Be honest with Eli about playing Webb and I'm sure he gets it. With the caveat that if he wants to explore a trade in the offseason, so be it. NO reason to embarrass and disrespect him like this now. Especially with a lame duck coach, as you project.
There is no good way to push out a legend. Look at what happened in SF when Montana was moved to KC. Or Favre to the Jets and then to the Vikings. Hell, even Eli's brother got the shaft in Indy when they released him to make way for Luck. That said, there were probably better ways to handle it.
Ultimately, McAdoo is just further digging his own grave with his comments and it plays to the game Mara will be playing. At the end of the day, the Giants will pick in the top 3 and will take a QB. If you bring in a new coach, you don't want that coach to have to deal with the problem of pushing out Eli for the new QB. That's a tough start. Let McAdoo take the hit. Like a pitcher in a blowout game, he's gonna suck up his ERA getting lit up and take one for the team. In this case, McAdoo is going to be a PR nightmare, and it appears that he sucks at working the press and fans anyway, so screw it.
Everything stinks about this, there is no nice way of doing this. All that is left is to fire McAdoo and Reese after the season and look to trade Eli and let a new coach and new QB begin a new era of Giants football.
He knows how unpopular this will be, it makes firing that slob so much easier.
It's amazing how much one bad hire, in the wrong spot, can hurt.
This is my take too. Sort of. I think Mara figures fuck it, mcadoo "deserves" the right to make a change at qb even if he's lost and at the very worst, Geno plays worse and nothing saves this offense anyway. If Geno actually out plays Eli... I can't even process that.
I want to hibernate. This season is fucking gross. Make it go away. Please.
Why does it have to be Geno fucking smith??? Why him??? Why couldn't they just start giving Webb reps the last few weeks and start him???? Why??? Is it so outlandish to give Webb reps in practice after being red shirted all fucking season???? Ok fine he came from a spread offense... for fucks sake coach him up already!!!! No... not our team. Ben feels Geno smith is the right man for this job. He will save this offense.
My god I can't believe how crazy this is. Handley was better. A lot better!!!!
Coach McAdoo told me I could continue to start while Geno and Davis [Webb] are given an opportunity to play. My feeling is that if you are going to play the other guys, play them, Manning said. Starting just to keep the streak going and knowing you wont finish the game and have a chance to win it is pointless to me, and it tarnishes the streak. Like I always have, I will be ready to play if and when I am needed. I will help Geno and Davis prepare to play as well as they possibly can.
If McAdoo had any change for a 3rd year he just fell on the sword. Spite or Stupidity? He really is an idiot.
Geno over Webb - the more I think about it, this make sense. once you decide to see what the other guys have, you have to start Geno for game or 2 and allow Webb to take more reps in practice and get him ready for the final 2-3 games.
If geno sucks, you get Webb in quicker... if Geno looks good, well that is a different and more interesting dilemma. either way, it probably makes more sense than starting Webb cold.
Coach McAdoo told me I could continue to start while Geno and Davis [Webb] are given an opportunity to play. My feeling is that if you are going to play the other guys, play them, Manning said. Starting just to keep the streak going and knowing you wont finish the game and have a chance to win it is pointless to me, and it tarnishes the streak. Like I always have, I will be ready to play if and when I am needed. I will help Geno and Davis prepare to play as well as they possibly can.
If McAdoo had any change for a 3rd year he just fell on the sword. Spite or Stupidity? He really is an idiot.
McAdoo's only chance of returning was that Webb looks really good. Playing out the string with Eli made that .005% chance of returning non-existent.
Geno will start this week, McAdoo said. Over the last five games, we will take a look at Geno, and we will also give Davis an opportunity.
Why Mac ... what do you care how Davis plays. You will have no part in his progress as a coach - unless you both end up on the same team down the road.
Look at him talking like he is going to be here next year .... WTF?
over the past few weeks that 1) Webb would/should not play at all in 2017, and that 2) Eli will be the starting QB next season, I only have one thing to say....
for Webb's chance. For Geno, to what end? If the Giants score 35 this weekend, will management say it was all Eli's fault like the coach has been saying for two years?
Reese and his staff needs to be given their walking papers immediately. We need competence in preparation for the next draft and the new team need to get to work now.
McAdoo can coach out the year but not a second longer.
I have been so deflated by this ownership/management fiasco that I have only commented on this team about 5 times this year. Not fun.
Two more things, find Eli a new home where he can finish his career.
Mara, Reese, and McAdoo. GO FUCK YOURSELVES. I am through until Reese and McAdoo are gone, until then I am a Jacksonville fan, fuck this piece of shit organization.
Im going to hold you to that. Now can you fuck off?
Some of the dumbest shit I have read on this board has come under your name.
I realized today that I'm really not even a Giants fan.
I never wanted the Giants to lose a game before this game, and I want them to get blown out 50-0. Mara has no class at all, he is a gutless piece of shit, hiding behind two of the most incompetent people in the sport.
Ernie Acorsi and Eli Manning, Thank You for our Super Bowls, I never thought this piece of shit was any good and this proves it all. let me hear how classy the Giants are now, the most classless handling of a two time Super Bowl MVP in NFL history, that is what John Mara is now.
I agree. First time I have no interest in the Giants winning. I hope they get blown out the rest of the season.
But I dont understand doing it now. Who wants to deal with 5 more weeks of talking about this? Just to get 12 quarters of film on Davis Webb with street free agents? Doesnt seem worth it for me.
The proper way to handle this is exactly as Mara said when addressing McAdoo. Wait till seasons end then evaluate as a whole. If they decide to move on, then rip off the band aid then. This option drags Eli and the fans through the mud.
I would think about calling in sick, this is a lose-lose for you and have you seen the offensive line block? Not good.
The coach is not doing you a favor.
Remember the old saying, he who turns and runs away, lives to fight another day.
I am beginning to think this whole thing is a ruse .... The Raiders will prep for Geno and he shows up Sunday with a cast on his throwing arm after suffering a "slip slide" in the bathroom ... Eli starts and leads the Giants to a win (and preserves his streak). That has to be the only logical explanation ....?
The Richter scale went off today when the collective jaws of the NFL hit the floor with this announcement ... I am beyond shocked. I am sick to my stomach .... and there is STILL A MONTH LEFT. WHAT NEXT?!
Shameful disgusting move. Carl Banks was livid and expressed himself on Twitter. Snacks comes on talking at Carl Banks and talking complete nonsense! Made me realize that these clowns on this team have no idea about Giants pride and history. Its all just smoke and mirrors. JPP joking around in the background as Eli is addressing his benching. Maybe he didnt know yet? Regardless, what has happened to this franchise? Benching Eli felt like the end of the best of the Giants. Damn near impossible to root for this franchise anymore.
I think he made it damn clear today that Eli himself doesnt give a damn about his streak too. He cares about winning. THIS is one of a hundred reason why fans are infuriated today. You bastards benched the wrong man.
I'm done with this asshole McAdoo. I may make the trip to the Giants game just to boo him out of here.
Yes, Eli streak matters to me, because it matters to him. He has been all class during his years here with some shitty teams and teammate throwing him under the bus. The season is over, why fuck one more thing up.
I like your post. But why not handle the Eli situation a bit differently. Be honest with Eli about playing Webb and I'm sure he gets it. With the caveat that if he wants to explore a trade in the offseason, so be it. NO reason to embarrass and disrespect him like this now. Especially with a lame duck coach, as you project.
There is no good way to push out a legend. Look at what happened in SF when Montana was moved to KC. Or Favre to the Jets and then to the Vikings. Hell, even Eli's brother got the shaft in Indy when they released him to make way for Luck. That said, there were probably better ways to handle it.
Ultimately, McAdoo is just further digging his own grave with his comments and it plays to the game Mara will be playing. At the end of the day, the Giants will pick in the top 3 and will take a QB. If you bring in a new coach, you don't want that coach to have to deal with the problem of pushing out Eli for the new QB. That's a tough start. Let McAdoo take the hit. Like a pitcher in a blowout game, he's gonna suck up his ERA getting lit up and take one for the team. In this case, McAdoo is going to be a PR nightmare, and it appears that he sucks at working the press and fans anyway, so screw it.
Everything stinks about this, there is no nice way of doing this. All that is left is to fire McAdoo and Reese after the season and look to trade Eli and let a new coach and new QB begin a new era of Giants football.
I think you are giving the owners way too much credit for thought, planning and connivance they have heretofore not demonstrated.
I sincerely hope that after this classless move by this organization today Benny the Boob, Reese and the Mara spineless no nut boys have the wrath of hell showered on them. I want the stadium filled totally with all the visiting team fans dressed to the max in their team wear and we lose each one of those games 50-0.
Again, if Benny boy and pos Reese are not let go after this debacle I am DONE with this team.
I like your post. But why not handle the Eli situation a bit differently. Be honest with Eli about playing Webb and I'm sure he gets it. With the caveat that if he wants to explore a trade in the offseason, so be it. NO reason to embarrass and disrespect him like this now. Especially with a lame duck coach, as you project.
Per Eli sounds exactly like what they did.
RE: Include me with the minority who are saying...
If the goal is to finish with a top two or three draft pick and Webb isn't far enough along in his development to be put behind center, starting Geno Smith is the surest way to finish the season 2-14. Eli is still capable of steering the team to victory on any given Sunday and maybe that's a risk that management didn't want to take. It's not a decision I would've made, but if you strip away the personal/emotional side of it, this is the best thing for the future of the Giants.
If that is the reason why they would make a decision like this, then it is a reason to not like the ownership. As an organization, your goal should NEVER be to lose a game.
Let me be clear...my reaction to this move has nothing to do with
the streak. I am, however, disgusted by this move to the point that I despise ownership, Reese, and McAdoo, all of whom have no fucking balls or a clue. If they want Webb to play so they can make a more informed decision about the draft, then I can understand this move. I still wouldn't love it, but I could understand.
But, Geno makes no sense. He is not in the current, immediate future, or future plans. He doesn't give them a better chance to win. If, as some suggested, that's the point, then this franchise is morally bankrupt.
I firmly believe Eli is not done. I hope they now give him the dignity of cutting him or trading him (by now I obviously mean after the season). I truly think he will lead a good team deep into the playoffs.
If this move truly has the backing of Reese and ownership, I only hope it doesn't mean that McAdoo and Reese are not getting a pass for another year. That would also prove the franchise is rudderless and clueless.
I wish, in this one instance, Eli would not take the high road and the same goes for the rest of the team. I am actually so disgusted I am torn whether to actually not root for the Giants for the first time this weekend. I can't bring myself to, but I can promise that next year I will be rooting for whatever team Eli ends up on and hope he has a big season. Fuck Mara. Fuck Reese. Fuck McAdoo.
Pretty pissed that he's getting benched for a never-will-be like Geno Smith. You want to throw the Webb kid in the deep end and see if he can swim? Fine by me, let's see if he can show us something before they spend a top 5 pick on a QB. What the hell is the point of Geno Smith, though?
This is why most are upset. It's not the streak. It's not blind love for Eli. It's starting Geno after making comments both about winning games and next year. Geno isn't the answer to either of those.
but I hope throws 5 picks and fumbles a couple of times .
This is the worst season I have ever witnessed and MacGrease ball has taken the top spot from Ray Handley .
I pray to God they can this smug ass POS !
The Giants have hit rock bottom hell Cleveland could whip our asses 4 out of 5 games .
So great we get the staggering Cowboys at home I hope they
boo every friggen play good bad or ugly much of what will be
ugly . Mara Really you allowed this spam eating slug shit on Eli with nothing at stake . I am fucking stunned I could see if Webb was ready let him play the 2nd half and
the thing about the streak pisses me off as well this change does absolutely nothing for this team FAIL
Geno over Webb - the more I think about it, this make sense. once you decide to see what the other guys have, you have to start Geno for game or 2 and allow Webb to take more reps in practice and get him ready for the final 2-3 games.
If geno sucks, you get Webb in quicker... if Geno looks good, well that is a different and more interesting dilemma. either way, it probably makes more sense than starting Webb cold.
This is how I figure it too. Except I don't think Geno's performance will impact how fast Webb gets in. I think he gets in as fast as coaches think he can without getting killed.
"Guys were kind of fired up, Geno Smith said of the reaction from teammates to the announcement. Guys are giving me hugs, handshakes. I think guys have witnessed my story from afar just seeing how things have kind of played out"
I hope this isn't true, and I seriously doubt it too. Who in their right mind would want to see Geno playing over Eli.
It took today to bring me out of lurking. The fact that the Giants are allowing a lame duck HC and GM to torch the relationship with the franchise QB is pretty mind numbing. And it makes me worried that McAdoo will be back next year with his choice at QB. McAdoo never seemed to be an Eli guy, from changing his footwork to low key complaining about his lack of mobility to singling him out in the media more than anybody else on the roster.
Wherever Eli plays next year, Im rooting for that team to win, and I hope he pads his HOF resume for the next few seasons.
and announced their plan to start him and evaluate him beginning in a week or two, there would be a lot less angry, hurt, and confused people here and in the media.
I'm still in shock. I won't be watching the rest of the year and longer if McAdoo remains. This is his call, but shows pretty clearly he doesn't understand the NYG franchise/culture. I've been opposed to firing him before the season ends...until now. I say fire him immediately, make Sullivan interim head coach with the understanding that Eli is the starter. End of the season he likely gets fired along with most all of the coaches and Reese.
The general comments from players, coaches, and fans is clear - this is just not the right way to treat a player of Eli's caliber/history. It is a massive deterrent to future players considering coming here as well so it hurts the team.
For those that still thought McAdoo might be a good coach.....
The joke is on you. McAdoo is a terrible coach and an idiot with no guts, no honesty or honor, and not a team player but simply out for himself. As a life long Giants fan it will be my pleasure from here on in until both Reese and McAdoo are fired to enjoy watching this team lose! In fact, I will celebrate every NY Giants loss!
and announced their plan to start him and evaluate him beginning in a week or two, there would be a lot less angry, hurt, and confused people here and in the media.
Agree, people aren't getting it. This is obviously the path and its going right over everybody's head...
but this certainly makes more sense (moving to Webb).
when you take emotion out of it, it makes sense to see what they have in Webb (even if not in ideal circumstances). They need to have some sense how imperative to use their top 3 pick on a QB or some other position. Many of us have been saying this for weeks.
that said, this could have been handled so much better, and they could have at least tried to show more class to Eli than they did. McAdoo showed himself as a Grade A arsehole yesterday (as if there was any doubt left) with his comments and how matter of fact he was about it. Reese, to my knowledge, said nothing (which may be better considering how he screws up pressers)... and Mara no where to be found.
so, in short, probably the right football move, but classless/ham-handed way to do it.
Eli fumbles every time he is sacked. has missed wide opened receivers and has been awful. I love the giants but this is the best way to get a look at Geno and Webb. Eli was awful in the first 4 games with a full aresnal.
Eli fumbles every time he is sacked. has missed wide opened receivers and has been awful. I love the giants but this is the best way to get a look at Geno and Webb. Eli was awful in the first 4 games with a full aresnal.
Why does anyone need a look at Geno? I had no problem with signing him to be the backup. But, we all know the player he has been in this league. There's nothing to see there. If they are actually considering him part of their future even as a possibility, they need to be examined.
this is how I see the impact of this decision and it's a huge one that shouldn't be understated how this is a turning point in the Franchise history.
- First, I don't believe McAdoo ever really was a big fan of Eli. Last year, when he questioned some of Eli's decisions, and in the offseason when people were all over Flowers saying "he needs to learn to play without a clean pocket". Some thought this was a distraction thing and Eli can handle it. But we saw the part about the pitch counts in training camp. Also drafting Webb in the 3rd round. And a week or so ago when McAdoo commented that other QBs would get reps and then backed off. Part could be McAdoo blaming Eli's play for the offensive struggles, which in turn saves McAdoo's game planning. Either way, I don't think McAdoo was a big Eli fan.
- We all saw that Giants were going to look at a QB in the first round. They've leaked their interest so Darnold and Rosen have their antenna up to come out in the draft. So that was in motion. This move further cements that.
- I have to believe McAdoo didn't do this alone. As noted above, he's shown signs he's not an Eli guy. But they had to wait until officially eliminated so Mara can get on board. The whole offer to let Eli to start and keep the streak going was a feeble nod of respect to Eli but Eli rightly told them to shove it (in a classy way).
- I had written before that I thought the best case for the Giants was to replay 1993, ie when Simms started and Brown/Graham were on the bench to learn. I thought this would be a good plan for 2018. Let Eli start, and Webb/new first rounder watch. But the x factor here, was the salary cap. The Giants might well have realized to get a QB with a top 3 pick will cost too much to keep Eli and that QB around. So really, Geno is getting his chance to play the veteran QB to keep the seat warm for the new QB. Who saw that coming with Geno as a veteran hand to ready the kids.
- Get Webb on the field in meaningful downs. Don't bring him in down 20 in the 4th quarter. I can play QB against a defense playing prevent that stopped caring. If you are going to do this to Eli, at least get something out of it. Learning that Geno Smith is a caretaker makes this move a waste. Get Webb real experience and cut the crap.
- Eli has to be traded. This is it for Eli. The move has been made and its time to get value for him. If you can't support him in the cap with a new first round QB, you need to trade him and get something back. Teams will want him. Denver and Jax come to mind. Probably you will get a 2nd rounder for him, I'd hope. Think Donovan McNabb to Washington right now. But with this move, Eli is done as a NYG in my mind.
- And lastly, this is it for McAdoo. In my mind, Mara is settling all family business. McAdoo gets to be the bad guy here. But the organization has decided to move on from Eli. No one likes McAdoo anyway, so the "smartest guy in the room" becomes a useful idiot to ownership. The Giants franchise needs to move on from Eli. There is no graceful way to do it with his streak and all he's done. So let the guy who isn't popular do it anyway. And then you fire him after the season and start over from the ground up with a new coach, new QB, and likely a new GM. I think this move has Mara all over it because he's now realized it's time to start this entire thing over. Get the last month of the season to see Webb, say your good byes to Eli, maybe put him in the final Redskins game as a thank you and start everything over in 2018.
So the smartest guy in the room ... became an idiot patsy. I like it.
Eli fumbles every time he is sacked. has missed wide opened receivers and has been awful. I love the giants but this is the best way to get a look at Geno and Webb. Eli was awful in the first 4 games with a full aresnal.
a full arsenal of what, this O has been terrible all last year too!
I know his history too. Everyone who saying playing him is the greatest insult and that is what makes this incredibly stupid, What if he plays well, the offense scores 30 points and we win? What if he does something Eli has accomplished in 2 years, with less practice and experience and without a healthy OBJ? Will all this still be a "Giant" insult and completely mismanaged. What is the opinion of McAdoo doo in that scenario?
I know his history too. Everyone who saying playing him is the greatest insult and that is what makes this incredibly stupid, What if he plays well, the offense scores 30 points and we win? What if he does something Eli has accomplished in 2 years, with less practice and experience and without a healthy OBJ? Will all this still be a "Giant" insult and completely mismanaged. What is the opinion of McAdoo doo in that scenario?
The answer is that will unlikely happen, but if it does "great". It tough to imagine Geno can consistently play without turning the ball over but if he does for a few games, it only gives us options. I forgot if he was signed to a 1 or 2 year deal though.
How Geno or Webb play has no effect on McAdoo in my opinion as he is only doing this out of desperation and b/c he was told too.
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Unfortunately, this will bring out the Webb screamers even moreso.
Just got alert from Giants.com
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Per Giants, Eli Manning was given the option of starting against the Raiders to keep the streak alive, but declined. Geno Smith will start on Sunday.
Unfortunately, this will bring out the Webb screamers even moreso.
If you're going to bench Eli, might as well do it for someone that might be part of the future. Geno Smith is awful. What does starting him get the team?
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Tom RockVerified account @TomRock_Newsday
28s29 seconds ago
Per Giants, Eli Manning was given the option of starting against the Raiders to keep the streak alive, but declined. Geno Smith will start on Sunday.
Given the option to start? What does that mean?
That doesn't sound like Eli at all.
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Tom RockVerified account @TomRock_Newsday
28s29 seconds ago
Per Giants, Eli Manning was given the option of starting against the Raiders to keep the streak alive, but declined. Geno Smith will start on Sunday.
So Eli shoes not to start?
Let the TANK begin.
That doesn't sound like Eli at all.
No, it does not.
Or
Just get benched
McAdoo is the worst coach Ive ever seen.
Fuck McAdoo.
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Tom RockVerified account @TomRock_Newsday
28s29 seconds ago
Per Giants, Eli Manning was given the option of starting against the Raiders to keep the streak alive, but declined. Geno Smith will start on Sunday.
So Eli shoes not to start?
Chose not shoes,,,still WTF??
and why Geno and not Webb? do the coaches think geno is going to save their jobs? if they are throwing in the towel for 2017, then let Webb get some reps.
this makes no sense as currently laid out.
Possibly.
That doesn't sound like Eli at all.
Only way it makes sense is:
McAdoo: Eli, we're going to go with Geno on Sunday, but do you want to start the game and play a series to keep the streak alive?
Eli: If you feel Geno gives us the best chance to win, then just start him.
On the one hand, I'm stunned and saddened that I have to watch another QB start a game under center for the GMEN for the first time since November of 2004.
On the other hand, maybe Eli does feel it's time to get out from behind that OL. While his streak will be ruined, his stats, W/L record and physical well-being will be spared.
Sad day for those who love Eli.
Eli deserves better than this...
BUT for all the people clamoring to see Webb, why do you not want to see Smith? The truth is that Geno probably has a good a shot as being the QB of the future as Webb does.
I think that's more how it went down in private, versus how Eli was just quoted above.
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Eli Manning: Coach McAdoo told me I could continue to start while Geno and Davis are given an opportunity to play. My feeling is that if you are going to play the other guys, play them. Starting just to keep the streak going and knowing you won't finish the game and have a chance to win it is pointless to me, and it tarnishes the streak. Like I always have, I will be ready to play if and when I am needed. I will help Geno and Davis prepare to play as well as they possibly can."
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Is it true that Eli was given the option to start and declined?
That doesn't sound like Eli at all.
Only way it makes sense is:
McAdoo: Eli, we're going to go with Geno on Sunday, but do you want to start the game and play a series to keep the streak alive?
Eli: If you feel Geno gives us the best chance to win, then just start him.
Yep, this is pretty much what I posted right afterwards - sounds like that's what happened.
Ugh.. this season.
Francesa saying he thinks Eli has probably started his last game as a Giant and will be traded.
Is this the first step in getting rid of Eli after this season?
Eli deserves better than this...
Seriously? The season is OVER and Eli may not be here next year. It's time to start looking at the future, if that means benching Eli to get Webb time so be it.
I would pay good money to see that video!
Point appears to be to evaluate Geno and Webb in the last few games. They all say its in the best interests of the org to evaluate eveyone. (How realistic an assessment theyll get is debatable IMO.)
Respect to him for not keeping it alive artificially, I guess.
What a shitty move, and this from an organization that values loyalty???
This dumpster fire of a season cant end fast enough.
Horrid decision. Smith blows. The kid....sure, play him AFTER you start Eli and see how the game goes.
It's like Phil Simms said "this league shits on you eventually no matter how good you are"...to paraphrase.
Football but the NFL and the Giants and Mara area disgrace.
Thanks. Bye
What a fucking disgrace.
Fuck this organization and McAdoo!
This would be totally different if it was TC making the call but McAdoo?
What a joke!
I don't think it's unreasonable of you. (Well, I guess I don't know just how sad it makes you, but). Eli's been a great player for us, and a good guy to boot. Very sad to see things wind down this way.
It's over.
Guess I was wrong.
I feel bad for Eli but am interested to see what this change does for the offense, if anything.
nothing would surprise me at this point.
This shitburger of a season can not end soon enough for me.
The worst HC ever. F reese
In any case, it stinks. Simms got benched by Handley it happens. Just never believed it would happen for Geno Smith.
The guy continues to have little to no awareness of the pulse of the team.
It is almost as if there is an intentional desire to fuck things up as much as possible.
First I welcomed my second son into this world this morning.
The second being the day Eli was benched.
This has been a doozy of a day.
In any case, it stinks. Simms got benched by Handley it happens. Just never believed it would happen for Geno Smith.
When? Simms lost a QB battle to a guy that won you the Super Bowl the previous season.
This has ZERO comparison.
Start Webb, OK. I could possibly see some logic in that, but start Geno? Why?
Maybe he has a chance to be the starter next year? HA!
Maybe he'll play so well other teams will make trade offers? HA!
This is a bad joke on top of a disaster of a season. So fucked up. Fire these fucking idiots now. This is the absolute worst.
I can totally understand the shock regarding Eli, but not Geno. Webb will get his shot and some playing time.
The guy continues to have little to no awareness of the pulse of the team.
It is almost as if there is an intentional desire to fuck things up as much as possible.
Too last for that........but Mac might have just sealed his deal.
First I welcomed my second son into this world this morning.
The second being the day Eli was benched.
This has been a doozy of a day.
Congratulations.
First I welcomed my second son into this world this morning.
The second being the day Eli was benched.
This has been a doozy of a day.
Heartfelt congratulations!
I can't stand the Eagles, but I hope they run a train on the Giants like a ginger assigned to laundry duty in Attica. Fuck this Team. Fuck Ben.
What kind of mental gymnastics did you do to reach that conclusion? This has nothing to do with REESE* (notice the spelling)
I feel really bad for him. But this is the reality of the league... he's had a long, successful career.
It's like having to put a pet down. You know at best, you'll get about 12 years or so if everything goes well, but inevitably, that day is going to come.. here we are.
Congrats man!!
Ugh.
Eli should demand a trade.
the giants are at least right on one thing that now is evaluation mode... across the board.
Not to be a dick but get over it. Eli will.
I didn't want this either but benching Eli won't hurt this franchise one bit. We haven't reached the point of no return.
Fans are going ape shit. Whatever.
After all this, you allow the most stand up man in that room and the face of the franchise (even if moreso the past than future) to fall on the sword?
What a disgrace!
Guess I was wrong.
And I hope no one again offers verbal support to this franchise by calling them a "classy organization". They lost my respect.
Geno over Webb - the more I think about it, this make sense. once you decide to see what the other guys have, you have to start Geno for game or 2 and allow Webb to take more reps in practice and get him ready for the final 2-3 games.
If geno sucks, you get Webb in quicker... if Geno looks good, well that is a different and more interesting dilemma. either way, it probably makes more sense than starting Webb cold.
It's officially time to move on
Geno over Webb - the more I think about it, this make sense. once you decide to see what the other guys have, you have to start Geno for game or 2 and allow Webb to take more reps in practice and get him ready for the final 2-3 games.
If geno sucks, you get Webb in quicker... if Geno looks good, well that is a different and more interesting dilemma. either way, it probably makes more sense than starting Webb cold.
You lost me at "If Geno Sucks"..............
But I'm shocked he wouldnt just 'start' the last 5 games, play a few snaps... then continue that streak somewhere else (Jacksonville?) next season.
After all this, you allow the most stand up man in that room and the face of the franchise (even if moreso the past than future) to fall on the sword?
What a disgrace!
ugh.
A couple of classless fucks who've run this team into the ground and their looking to deflect blame.
At least I won't have to watch this week
Eli, I will try my best to be there when you're enshrined in the Hall!
and I do not believe anyone who says they aren't watching the upcoming game(s) or are done with the Giants. have youe temper tantrum and then you'll be back here next week either saying "I told you so" if Geno sucks, or offering excuses why the Giants offense looked better under him.
Play Eli...game gets out of hand play Webb.
Geno Smith isn't going to do anything for the evaluation process.
Giants making a horrid decision, in a season that I repeat is already over.
Unless this is their idea of tanking? WTF.
Geno starts to allow Webb to not freak out in his first start but to get comfortable before he comes in.
I don't see the issue. Everyone wanted to see Webb eventually anyway. Starting Geno takes some pressure off of Webb.
Although I don't think he was catching Favre anyway
I can't see ownership approving it.
Reese.....yes.
Damn this organization, you sit your best player on offense???
FUCK THIS TEAM , FUCK THEM ALL!!!
Oh man............
I don't see the issue. Everyone wanted to see Webb eventually anyway. Starting Geno takes some pressure off of Webb.
As opposed to starting Eli and bringing in Webb late? I can understand wanting to see Webb, but what does Geno have to do with it? Start giving Webb more reps in practice, let him come in relief for Eli, ultimately let him start if he seems ready for that. Why does Geno factor into that at all?
McAdoo is an unbelievable piece of shit coward.
about Eli's streak?
Get F-ing serious.
Our team sucks, and that's the only thing I care about.
As for Eli's streak coming to an end?
Cry me a river.
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Geno starts to allow Webb to not freak out in his first start but to get comfortable before he comes in.
I don't see the issue. Everyone wanted to see Webb eventually anyway. Starting Geno takes some pressure off of Webb.
As opposed to starting Eli and bringing in Webb late? I can understand wanting to see Webb, but what does Geno have to do with it? Start giving Webb more reps in practice, let him come in relief for Eli, ultimately let him start if he seems ready for that. Why does Geno factor into that at all?
But Eli said he'd rather not start then come out.
A couple of classless fucks who've run this team into the ground and their looking to deflect blame.
At least I won't have to watch this week
Or it has more to do with evaluating if Geno actually is worthy of being a backup QB in the future.
That would be interesting....
It would impact 2018 evaluations, and thats what this is about.
We know Eli is not an ideal QB for this system. Geno need to be tested. Then Webb.
Management may want to get an extra 15M of cap space to fix the OL
I can't see ownership approving it.
Reese.....yes.
You obviously dont know how the Giants operate. If you think Reese was allowed to ok this. This was okay by Mara
I've seen Bavaro get cut.
I've seen Simms get cut.
I've seen Coughlin get fired.
Who knows - maybe this isn't the end for Eli with the Giants but this is probably the saddest I've felt about someone related to the Giants. Not exactly sure why...
Maybe I viewed all the other players as past their prime. Maybe I still think of Eli as in his prime. I really thought that he still had magic in his right arm and this could've been Super Bowl #3. It sucks. He had another Super Bowl in him coming off XLVI - Reese just didn't surround him with the talent.
I wish you well going forward and I will always remember you, how you fought for the Giants and us fans, how you were always the embodiment of class and for making us proud to root for an organization with you at the helm.
Thank you, Eli.
If you make this move it's for Webb...Geno makes no sense.
I can't see ownership approving it.
Reese.....yes.
I doubt either Reese or ownership were even consulted. McAdoo is the coach. They can't put his job on the line, and then undermine his authority.
I'm not sure how I feel about this, but I appreciate Eli's take on it. If they're going to start him each week, and then take him out of competitive games just to give Geno and Webb reps, then why bother starting him at all?
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Reese, or ownership?
I can't see ownership approving it.
Reese.....yes.
You obviously dont know how the Giants operate. If you think Reese was allowed to ok this. This was okay by Mara
Really? The same way when Phil Simms was cut? Or those other players mentioned above?
Wellington defaulted to Young in those cases.
I suspect his son did the same, for right or wrong.
Agreed, but McAdoo is still a douchebag and a trainwreck as a manager and head coach.
That's what I think happened.
Webb hasn't played yet. Would be tough to throw him right in. Let Geno stink up the place then Webb comes in w/ no pressure.
Have you see him play? Hes an embarrassment.
No chance McAdoofus made this decision on his own. Mara had to give his blessing. He wasn't going to make his jackass head coach embarrass the QB who won him 2 Super Bowls on his own. This isn't like sitting Eli Apple.
Let me state again... I wouldnt have done it... but I think its the right move. I know most dont want to hear it but Eli wasnt helping the team and in fact was part of the problem. And except for maybe TE there have been changes all throughout the offense... except at one position, QB.
I know it seems very far fetched to even fathom but what if either Smith or Webb come in and suddenly the offense clicks?
Im still stunned by this and again feel the need to say theres no chance in hell Id have done it.
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Reese, or ownership?
I can't see ownership approving it.
Reese.....yes.
You obviously dont know how the Giants operate. If you think Reese was allowed to ok this. This was okay by Mara
Yeah like you do.. Seriously some of the JR supporters are blind..
the coach he hires sucks.. they think its because Owners hired him.. as if the JR didn't support it and I can bet that he didn't oppose the hiring..
The whole off season JR keeps blaming Eli and supports our OL.. as if Eli is the problem and in his mind the OL is just fine..
Fuck JR.. He has ruined the last 6 years of Eli's career..
This decision is indecent and disloyal and really makes me sad more than anything else.
I am going to try not to overreact, but I think it is a disgraceful decision to bench Eli for Geno Smith. It is an insult. Not saying Eli has been strong this year but given the offensive line and the weapons I'm not sure how anybody could have succeeded at QB.
But having an all time franchise guy benched for Geno Smith?
Bad decision IMO.
Yeah, but the tickets are paid for.
How does our genius coach evaluate his roster????
LOL...this guy...........
Let me state again... I wouldnt have done it... but I think its the right move. I know most dont want to hear it but Eli wasnt helping the team and in fact was part of the problem. And except for maybe TE there have been changes all throughout the offense... except at one position, QB.
I know it seems very far fetched to even fathom but what if either Smith or Webb come in and suddenly the offense clicks?
Im still stunned by this and again feel the need to say theres no chance in hell Id have done it.
You may be right...Eli has not been Eli for two seasons now.
It's not the end of the streak that bothers me. I m just not ready to see Eli's Giant career end, especially like this.
I was hoping for a young quarterback to play behind Eli. That still might happen.
Francesca just said, both quarterbacks will play.
What the hell?
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Reese, or ownership?
I can't see ownership approving it.
Reese.....yes.
You obviously dont know how the Giants operate. If you think Reese was allowed to ok this. This was okay by Mara
Really? The same way when Phil Simms was cut? Or those other players mentioned above?
Wellington defaulted to Young in those cases.
I suspect his son did the same, for right or wrong.
Reese isnt even allowed to pick the coach. lol
I just cant believe Eli has been benched. Amazing.
Eli needs to go to JAX
If ownership stands behind Mac or gave the directive to start Geno then they have such little self-awareness it isn't even funny.
This might be one of the worst decisions ever made by the organization. Just an absolute slap in the face to everyone involved.
Eli was given the option to start and said no.
Whats the problem?
Were 2-9, theres no point in Eli playing full games anymore.
I am still hoping for a total blow up and rebuild after this shitshow season.
Webb should now get reps this week the earliest or the following week the latest. I also expect him to be active December 10th against the Dallas Cowboys.
They just can't activate Webb (with zero practice) and throw him into the wolves and expect him to be ready for the speed of an NFL game. We should see Webb getting more playing time as the season comes to a close,
Which I wouldnt have.
Francesca saying otherwise is fucking comical.
It's amazing how much one bad hire, in the wrong spot, can hurt.
All that aside, Im not sure Ive ever hated a team I root for more than the 2017 NY Giants. And Im a Knicks fan, so thats saying something
That doesn't sound like Eli at all.
"Coach McAdoo told me I could continue to start while Geno and Davis are given an opportunity to play," Manning said. "My feeling is that if you are going to play the other guys, play them. Starting just to keep the streak going and knowing you won't finish the game and have a chance to win it is pointless to me, and it tarnishes the streak. Like I always have, I will be ready to play if and when I am needed. I will help Geno and Davis prepare to play as well as they possibly can."
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Reese, or ownership?
I can't see ownership approving it.
Reese.....yes.
You obviously dont know how the Giants operate. If you think Reese was allowed to ok this. This was okay by Mara
Yeah like you do.. Seriously some of the JR supporters are blind..
the coach he hires sucks.. they think its because Owners hired him.. as if the JR didn't support it and I can bet that he didn't oppose the hiring..
The whole off season JR keeps blaming Eli and supports our OL.. as if Eli is the problem and in his mind the OL is just fine..
Fuck JR.. He has ruined the last 6 years of Eli's career..
LOL. Everyone knows who hired McAdoo. If you think Reese makes any big moves money wise or personal wise without Mara or his little brother Chris, youre foolin yourself.
And you believe in Santa Clause. Please say you do!
Absolutely agree.
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Eli Manning youre always gonna be my QB. 2X Super Bowl MVP you cant make that shit up bro.
Which in turn begins the process of a goodbye to Eli within the next 2.333 seasons as gently as possible.
Eli knew the day was coming ...the reality has now smacked us all.
Still sucks though.
Do I say "F Y JR " now...or should I wait for the day Eli is no longer a Giant?
Eh! I'll do it now. JR will soon be a GM somewhere else anyway. My preferance is a McDonalds.
Fuck You JR! Ross too! Maras..get in line for the F Y's.
Tuck you
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to not go the rest of the season. I know I won't... Let Management see that stadium full of opponents fans.
Yeah, but the tickets are paid for.
I get that, but the concessions aren't, and the empty stadium is embarrassing for ownership. I still planned on going down mainly to see Eli. Not anymore.
There was a Yankees game where Lou Gherig had lumbago (severe lower back pain) and could barely move. The Yankees were on the road. They put him the leadoff spot, he drew a walk and was replaced by a pinch runner. The Yankees went out of their way to keep his streak going, and nobody ever said the streak was "tainted."
On the other hand, during Ripken's streak, there were times when he needed a day off or should have sat, and the team wouldn't do it until he said so. He was hurting the team. That was a problem and was discussed that way at the time.
Eli's streak wouldn't have been tainted if they decided to look at all three QBs, like they would in a preseason game. It's a games-started streak, that's all it is, and nobody would care if they took him out to evaluate the other guys.
I don't think Eli has been hurting the team, and when we see the other guys I think that will be apparent. But Eli's in decline and the season's lost. The organization needs to see the other guys.
Personally, I'm sad about this, in part because I think Eli is still their best QB, and the season has gone so far off the rails that that no longer matters. Eli is thinking about the best chance to win, because he's focused on winning the next game. That's his job. The coaches and organization are not focused on winning this Sunday; they're thinking about next season, Sunday's game be damned. It sounds like Eli isn't on board for being part of the "forget trying to win the next game, let's evaluate players" thing.
I also think the Giants handled this about as badly as they could.
On the other hand, if Geno has raised his game at all, they need to find that out. I think he's talented guy who had problems with bad decision-making. By his own admission, he never really learned how to be a pro QB, do the right preparation, etc. Maybe being in the QB room with Eli has helped him with that. Maybe he will turn out to have some value to them or someone else.
Webb isn't ready to play but he get his feet wet and get a taste of real NFL game speed. If he does a Peterman-style meltdown they can always put Geno back in. Or, you know, Eli.
Eli isn't done. He will play again, for the Giants or someone else.
Can't wait until heads roll at the end of the season. Bring on Rosen/Darnold/Jackson/Allen/Mayfield - the future is now.
I have to question the status of McAdoo's job however. Why would he consider playing all three QBs, unless there was some assurance from the Owners as to his return? If Eli gives him the best shot of winning, then why would he do this, unless he was assured of returning?
I am still hoping for a total blow up and rebuild after this shitshow season.
Or maybe the plan was to ease Webb in and when Eli declined to only play first halves they had no choice but to go to Geno for first halves.
As for the streak, though, Eli just passed his brother a couple weeks ago and holds the #2 slot alone. He wasn't ever going to eclipse Favre. So there's that...
1. Favre 297
2. Eli 210
3. Peyton 208
Geno starts to allow Webb to not freak out in his first start but to get comfortable before he comes in.
I don't see the issue. Everyone wanted to see Webb eventually anyway. Starting Geno takes some pressure off of Webb.
This team/ownership is an embarrassment.
They fucked over TC. If they really respected him but felt he wasn't getting he job done fire him. No. They pushed Gilbride out. Then Fewell. Finally TC to bring in their new big man crush.
That they love this loser shows how inept they are.
And IMO Chris and John Mara threw the coaching staff under the bis since Chris Mara and his pal Reese are knee deep into this team sucking for 5 of the last 6 years. Couldn't be that Chris Mara is a nepotism hire and Reese along w him hate any blame.
Yeah classy organization. Until it's time to take any blame themselves for their shitty management. John Mara is a joke. He cares. Yeah he will
Still wake up richer than God and Immune to being a total incompetent. 45 years of rooting for this team ends today.
Being part of a fraternity has its advantages.
BM will get killed for this move by everyone.......man....they guy is just putting the finishing touches on his grave.
Look at the tape...
GET RID OF FUCKING RONNIE MILSAP ALREADY
Isn't Rivers somewhat close? Around 180 or so?
They should have McAdoo sit the game out as well. It could only be an improvement. He's more responsible for this shit show than Eli is....
McAdoo and Reese better be gone after this season or I may be taking a hiatus from professional football.
First I welcomed my second son into this world this morning.
The second being the day Eli was benched.
This has been a doozy of a day.
Its my birthday today and Ill always remember Eli getting benched now
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Reese, or ownership?
I can't see ownership approving it.
Reese.....yes.
You obviously dont know how the Giants operate. If you think Reese was allowed to ok this. This was okay by Mara
Yeah like you do.. Seriously some of the JR supporters are blind..
the coach he hires sucks.. they think its because Owners hired him.. as if the JR didn't support it and I can bet that he didn't oppose the hiring..
The whole off season JR keeps blaming Eli and supports our OL.. as if Eli is the problem and in his mind the OL is just fine..
Fuck JR.. He has ruined the last 6 years of Eli's career..
LOL. Everyone knows who hired McAdoo. If you think Reese makes any big moves money wise or personal wise without Mara or his little brother Chris, youre foolin yourself.
He may get the ok from them.. all employees do that.. but if I hire someone working under me.. I get input.. and if I say no then its a no.. if JR can't get that from his boss then he isn't doing his job.. trust me if you think he went to his boss and said this is a bad decision "don't hire BM" then they would've listened..
I have to question the status of McAdoo's job however. Why would he consider playing all three QBs, unless there was some assurance from the Owners as to his return? If Eli gives him the best shot of winning, then why would he do this, unless he was assured of returning?
That's a good point. Maybe this came down from Mara? I can't imaging Reese has the juice left to force this move.
The Eli Manning era is over. There's no perfect way to move on, but he doesn't need some forced illustrious swan song or hyperbolic symbols of loyalty. What's really the difference between now and during the off-season? The former at least will offer a legit Sunday look at Webb vs NFL starters before the draft. That's notable.
Brett Favre WAS the Green Bay Packers for almost 20 years. Few players more embodied a franchise. But he got old and a better course arose. See ya Brett, have fun on the Jets. Or maybe the Packers should have clung on?
Eli has been a great Giant. But Mara is understandably looking to 2018 & beyond.
LOL..oh lordy.
I don't see this as Eli not being the starter next year. Why get him beat up in meaningless games.
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now I have two reasons to remember this day forever.
First I welcomed my second son into this world this morning.
The second being the day Eli was benched.
This has been a doozy of a day.
Its my birthday today and Ill always remember Eli getting benched now
I was just thinking about that too ya fuck. When we're in our 80's and shitting in our Depends like Al Davis, we'll always remembered what happened on 11.28.17.
Bingo --
we are 2- 9 - this season is gone ..
Eli should know this and be a team player ..
if Webb looks good then we can trade him for another draft pick..
There was a Yankees game where Lou Gherig had lumbago (severe lower back pain) and could barely move. The Yankees were on the road. They put him the leadoff spot, he drew a walk and was replaced by a pinch runner. The Yankees went out of their way to keep his streak going, and nobody ever said the streak was "tainted."
On the other hand, during Ripken's streak, there were times when he needed a day off or should have sat, and the team wouldn't do it until he said so. He was hurting the team. That was a problem and was discussed that way at the time.
Eli's streak wouldn't have been tainted if they decided to look at all three QBs, like they would in a preseason game. It's a games-started streak, that's all it is, and nobody would care if they took him out to evaluate the other guys.
I don't think Eli has been hurting the team, and when we see the other guys I think that will be apparent. But Eli's in decline and the season's lost. The organization needs to see the other guys.
Personally, I'm sad about this, in part because I think Eli is still their best QB, and the season has gone so far off the rails that that no longer matters. Eli is thinking about the best chance to win, because he's focused on winning the next game. That's his job. The coaches and organization are not focused on winning this Sunday; they're thinking about next season, Sunday's game be damned. It sounds like Eli isn't on board for being part of the "forget trying to win the next game, let's evaluate players" thing.
I also think the Giants handled this about as badly as they could.
On the other hand, if Geno has raised his game at all, they need to find that out. I think he's talented guy who had problems with bad decision-making. By his own admission, he never really learned how to be a pro QB, do the right preparation, etc. Maybe being in the QB room with Eli has helped him with that. Maybe he will turn out to have some value to them or someone else.
Webb isn't ready to play but he get his feet wet and get a taste of real NFL game speed. If he does a Peterman-style meltdown they can always put Geno back in. Or, you know, Eli.
Eli isn't done. He will play again, for the Giants or someone else.
The Orioles cancelled a game when Ripkin did not show up during the streak. Power failure.
thats the only way... by hitting them where it hurts
Spineless Johnny Boy. Good luck moving forward with this shit for brains I total control.
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He may get the ok from them.. all employees do that.. but if I hire someone working under me.. I get input.. and if I say no then its a no.. if JR can't get that from his boss then he isn't doing his job.. trust me if you think he went to his boss and said this is a bad decision "don't hire BM" then they would've listened..
i am sorry then you have no idea how the giants work then...
who hired tom coughlin? accorsi or mara?
because according to accorsi he wanted nothing to do qith coughlin and mara over ruled him...
Great. Really well done Mara.
What a fucking disgrace.
I hate that man.
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Reese, or ownership?
I can't see ownership approving it.
Reese.....yes.
You obviously dont know how the Giants operate. If you think Reese was allowed to ok this. This was okay by Mara
Yeah like you do.. Seriously some of the JR supporters are blind..
the coach he hires sucks.. they think its because Owners hired him.. as if the JR didn't support it and I can bet that he didn't oppose the hiring..
The whole off season JR keeps blaming Eli and supports our OL.. as if Eli is the problem and in his mind the OL is just fine..
Fuck JR.. He has ruined the last 6 years of Eli's career..
LOL. Everyone knows who hired McAdoo. If you think Reese makes any big moves money wise or personal wise without Mara or his little brother Chris, youre foolin yourself.
He may get the ok from them.. all employees do that.. but if I hire someone working under me.. I get input.. and if I say no then its a no.. if JR can't get that from his boss then he isn't doing his job.. trust me if you think he went to his boss and said this is a bad decision "don't hire BM" then they would've listened..
This isn't a normal organization. Its family run. And nothing around is done without John Mara being involved in it. You notice, McAdoo didn't just say he talked to Reese. He said he talked to ownership as well.
And does anyone on here really believe that if Reese said he didn't want McAdoo as coach it would have mattered? Get real
Stunningly, hilariously, bafflingly, they are turning to Geno Smith. Third-rounder Davis Webb will also be given playing time down the stretch of the Giants' lost season. The team apparently gave Manning the option of starting Sunday's game before giving away to Smith, but he declined. Manning has made 210 consecutive starts, the second longest streak in NFL history behind only Brett Favre's 297. The streak started on Nov. 21, 2004. We can't pretend Manning has been great this season, but he's also been the least of the Giants' massive problems. The defense has regressed, the receiver corps has been hollowed out by injury and the running game is close to nonexistent. The offensive line, and roster in general, is in shambles. Manning probably deserved the right to play out the season. It's also embarrassing Manning has been benched for Smith, a proven failed option at quarterback. Webb at least offers unknown, theoretical upside. One month shy of his 37th birthday, Manning will be
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in this streak, but he now stands alone #2 all-time. I don't think there will be another QB that will catch him for quite a while.
Isn't Rivers somewhat close? Around 180 or so?
Yea, actually Rivers is at 187, and so he would need to play 24 more games straight to get there.
Sign the death warrant now.
What The....
all that said, the decision to do this carries with it so much intrigue. whose actual idea was it? what does it mean for the long term prospects for the coach and the GM? what differences do we see, if any, with the other guys at QB and what does that mean for our 2018 draft?
it certainly adds some interest to an otherwise useless season.
Stunningly, hilariously, bafflingly, they are turning to Geno Smith. Third-rounder Davis Webb will also be given playing time down the stretch of the Giants' lost season. The team apparently gave Manning the option of starting Sunday's game before giving away to Smith, but he declined. Manning has made 210 consecutive starts, the second longest streak in NFL history behind only Brett Favre's 297. The streak started on Nov. 21, 2004. We can't pretend Manning has been great this season, but he's also been the least of the Giants' massive problems. The defense has regressed, the receiver corps has been hollowed out by injury and the running game is close to nonexistent. The offensive line, and roster in general, is in shambles. Manning probably deserved the right to play out the season. It's also embarrassing Manning has been benched for Smith, a proven failed option at quarterback. Webb at least offers unknown, theoretical upside. One month shy of his 37th birthday, Manning will be
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Like I said, the Giants will get KILLED by EVERYONE for this........
They had better be prepared for the backlash.
I sold my Dallas tix, but man would I love to go and boo that coach when he comes out..............
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Some notable contract numbers for Eli Manning:
* A $5M roster bonus due on the 5th day of the 2018 league year
* A $10.5M base salary in 2018 (non-guaranteed)
* A $22.2M cap hit in 2018
* $9.8M in cap savings if cut/traded
* $12.4M in dead money if cut/traded
Sign the death warrant now.
Based on.............oh right, practice.
It's all coaching.
Reese's drafts are fine. As is his FA signings and salary cap management.
No need to can this guy. If they did, he'd get a GM job in a nanosecond!
I really am starting to think Giants tanking on purpose !
- First, I don't believe McAdoo ever really was a big fan of Eli. Last year, when he questioned some of Eli's decisions, and in the offseason when people were all over Flowers saying "he needs to learn to play without a clean pocket". Some thought this was a distraction thing and Eli can handle it. But we saw the part about the pitch counts in training camp. Also drafting Webb in the 3rd round. And a week or so ago when McAdoo commented that other QBs would get reps and then backed off. Part could be McAdoo blaming Eli's play for the offensive struggles, which in turn saves McAdoo's game planning. Either way, I don't think McAdoo was a big Eli fan.
- We all saw that Giants were going to look at a QB in the first round. They've leaked their interest so Darnold and Rosen have their antenna up to come out in the draft. So that was in motion. This move further cements that.
- I have to believe McAdoo didn't do this alone. As noted above, he's shown signs he's not an Eli guy. But they had to wait until officially eliminated so Mara can get on board. The whole offer to let Eli to start and keep the streak going was a feeble nod of respect to Eli but Eli rightly told them to shove it (in a classy way).
- I had written before that I thought the best case for the Giants was to replay 1993, ie when Simms started and Brown/Graham were on the bench to learn. I thought this would be a good plan for 2018. Let Eli start, and Webb/new first rounder watch. But the x factor here, was the salary cap. The Giants might well have realized to get a QB with a top 3 pick will cost too much to keep Eli and that QB around. So really, Geno is getting his chance to play the veteran QB to keep the seat warm for the new QB. Who saw that coming with Geno as a veteran hand to ready the kids.
- Get Webb on the field in meaningful downs. Don't bring him in down 20 in the 4th quarter. I can play QB against a defense playing prevent that stopped caring. If you are going to do this to Eli, at least get something out of it. Learning that Geno Smith is a caretaker makes this move a waste. Get Webb real experience and cut the crap.
- Eli has to be traded. This is it for Eli. The move has been made and its time to get value for him. If you can't support him in the cap with a new first round QB, you need to trade him and get something back. Teams will want him. Denver and Jax come to mind. Probably you will get a 2nd rounder for him, I'd hope. Think Donovan McNabb to Washington right now. But with this move, Eli is done as a NYG in my mind.
- And lastly, this is it for McAdoo. In my mind, Mara is settling all family business. McAdoo gets to be the bad guy here. But the organization has decided to move on from Eli. No one likes McAdoo anyway, so the "smartest guy in the room" becomes a useful idiot to ownership. The Giants franchise needs to move on from Eli. There is no graceful way to do it with his streak and all he's done. So let the guy who isn't popular do it anyway. And then you fire him after the season and start over from the ground up with a new coach, new QB, and likely a new GM. I think this move has Mara all over it because he's now realized it's time to start this entire thing over. Get the last month of the season to see Webb, say your good byes to Eli, maybe put him in the final Redskins game as a thank you and start everything over in 2018.
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That doesn't sound like Eli at all.
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Manning has started 210 consecutive regular season games for the Giants.He was given the option of starting in order to continue the streak.
"Coach McAdoo told me I could continue to start while Geno and Davis are given an opportunity to play," Manning said. "My feeling is that if you are going to play the other guys, play them. Starting just to keep the streak going and knowing you won't finish the game and have a chance to win it is pointless to me, and it tarnishes the streak. Like I always have, I will be ready to play if and when I am needed. I will help Geno and Davis prepare to play as well as they possibly can."
Sign the death warrant now.
If he said that, then he needs to be fired at years end!
I think it's a good move. But, I definitely think Eli has a few more good years.
That is an AWESOME gift.
This isn't a normal organization. Its family run. And nothing around is done without John Mara being involved in it. You notice, McAdoo didn't just say he talked to Reese. He said he talked to ownership as well.
And does anyone on here really believe that if Reese said he didn't want McAdoo as coach it would have mattered? Get real
I do.. I don't know what kind of a shitty organization you work for where hiring manager's view point is not accounted for.. but if all key desicions are made by the owners.. than why have JR.. why give JR any credit for anything good that has happened..
If I were Eli I'd say piss off............
But a good overall post SGS.
Looked like he was fighting back tears.
This is no way for him to go out.
I wish Eli nothing but the best. He deserves nothing less.
He is blasting them. Among things said, Reese wouldn't have a career except for Manning's greatness in Super Bowls.
Said he can't believe, MacAdoo actually said he believes Geno Smith gives them best chance to win.
What a disgrace MacAdoo and Reese have become
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and then get relieved by Geno and Webb to see what they have. Eli turned down the option because he wanted to be able to finish the whole game with a win. He thought it would be pointless and so he wants to help Geno and Webb prepare.
I have to question the status of McAdoo's job however. Why would he consider playing all three QBs, unless there was some assurance from the Owners as to his return? If Eli gives him the best shot of winning, then why would he do this, unless he was assured of returning?
That's a good point. Maybe this came down from Mara? I can't imaging Reese has the juice left to force this move.
I think its a smokescreen to get a look at Webb just like many people have asked for Webb will be in the second half thats better than starting for him at this point no pressure .......
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Some notable contract numbers for Eli Manning:
* A $5M roster bonus due on the 5th day of the 2018 league year
* A $10.5M base salary in 2018 (non-guaranteed)
* A $22.2M cap hit in 2018
* $9.8M in cap savings if cut/traded
* $12.4M in dead money if cut/traded
This is wrong. The roster bonus is due on the 3rd day of the league year.
replacement.
I just hope Jerry and Ben are gone
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This isn't a normal organization. Its family run. And nothing around is done without John Mara being involved in it. You notice, McAdoo didn't just say he talked to Reese. He said he talked to ownership as well.
And does anyone on here really believe that if Reese said he didn't want McAdoo as coach it would have mattered? Get real
I do.. I don't know what kind of a shitty organization you work for where hiring manager's view point is not accounted for.. but if all key desicions are made by the owners.. than why have JR.. why give JR any credit for anything good that has happened..
you do know accorsi wanted nothing to do with coughlin and maras basically to bad we are hiring him
Look at my post above. Eli is the first domino to fall. Next year you won't have Eli, McAdoo, or Reese. This had to come from the top, but McAdoo will play the bad guy role and get tossed out at the end of the year anyway.
Also, this clearly has the blessing of ownership...so why the fuck is everyone going ballistic on Jerry or Mcadoo? Give it to ownership as well.
1. Eli has played quite poorly of late, and may actually be done as a franchise QB.
2. Mara didn't send Reese and Ross out to scout QBs because he felt that Eli was the long term solution here. He did it because we may have a chance to draft a new franchise QB this year.
3. We all wanted to see Webb at some point this season. Perhaps the team feels that Eli won't be a Giant next year, so are seeing whether Smith can hold the fort while they develop a kid QB next year.
I love how Eli is handling this. He's always been all class. I'd love it if the team could trade him to a team in need, but that's quite unrealistic at this point, imo.
Webb should now get some reps this week and more the following. I expect him to be active December 10th against the Dallas Cowboys.
Having Webb start now is foolish. Let him get game ready so he doesn't look like an absolute fool out there.
and then benches him!
What a disgrace to have a non Giant like MacAdoo, do this to an all time great Giant.
How does it destroy his legacy? Does he un-win the two Super Bowls and Super Bowl MVPs as a result?
What a dumb statement.
if Mc actually said that about Geno giving them a better chance to win, then WOW - he really is all in on the anti-Eli brigade. it is ont thing to tow the line about seeing for the future, but if he is saying he wants to win now and Eli is holding the team back, then that is a bold statement that will likely seal his death warrant.
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your good byes to Eli, maybe put him in the final Redskins game as a thank you and start everything over in 2018.
If I were Eli I'd say piss off............
But a good overall post SGS.
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Why? What is the "better" way to move on from Manning? It would be messy in the off-season too.
Isn't it beneficial to get a look at Webb against opposing teams before FA and the draft?
I'm with T-Bone. I wouldn't have done it, but if Eli was to be replaced it should be with Webb.
And through 7+ pages I can't believe nobody posted "BM is shit".
why not just promote Webb to second string and let Eli start games
if Eli and offense sucks LIKE THEY DID LAST WEEK
then put Webb in ..
I am not mad at the move - just mad that they gave Eli the choice and are shocked by his answer .
Sign the death warrant now.
Is that accurate?
Hard to believe.
if Mc actually said that about Geno giving them a better chance to win, then WOW - he really is all in on the anti-Eli brigade. it is ont thing to tow the line about seeing for the future, but if he is saying he wants to win now and Eli is holding the team back, then that is a bold statement that will likely seal his death warrant.
Like I said, McAdoo is a useful idiot. I can imagine Reese's "smartest guy in the room" comment to be made almost snidely at this point. Ray Handley was "a computer on the staff" of Parcells too. I think the Giants are going to get rid of everyone, this is the start of, unfortunately, what had to happen here. Mara is getting ready to start it all over.
This team has serious problems.
Maybe Mara should just sell the fuckin team..
As for the streak, though, Eli just passed his brother a couple weeks ago and holds the #2 slot alone. He wasn't ever going to eclipse Favre. So there's that...
1. Favre 297
2. Eli 210
3. Peyton 208
Yeah, but Rivers isn't far behind Eli, so he will most likely pass him and push Eli to 3rd.
Listen...the writing has been on the wall regarding Eli. If the football people want him gone in NY...then this is ultimately the right decision. I just don't really like it as a fan of Eli.
No they wouldn't.
They would be ripping them for having a crappy line.
Congrats T-Bone well wishes to you and yours.
This would have made sense if Davis Webb got a uniform and got a lot of reps in practice, since he has theoretical great upside and could be the next franchise QB. But for Geno Smith? Geno isn't an NFL QB
This week I will be rooting against MacAdoo and Reese!
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great post - really great points and I imagine you are right across the board.
if Mc actually said that about Geno giving them a better chance to win, then WOW - he really is all in on the anti-Eli brigade. it is ont thing to tow the line about seeing for the future, but if he is saying he wants to win now and Eli is holding the team back, then that is a bold statement that will likely seal his death warrant.
Like I said, McAdoo is a useful idiot. I can imagine Reese's "smartest guy in the room" comment to be made almost snidely at this point. Ray Handley was "a computer on the staff" of Parcells too. I think the Giants are going to get rid of everyone, this is the start of, unfortunately, what had to happen here. Mara is getting ready to start it all over.
no, McAdoo is a pussy. Francesa said it perfectly: "he's afraid to call out Beckham, but he'll call out Eli because he knows Eli has too much class to bite back pulicly"
They all suck. Reese, McAdoo and all involved, Mara/Tisch for enabling it. Reese should have been shitcanned after 2015.
On the other hand, if you thought Eli was done or near done - might not be bad idea to let the dead-coach-walking take the hit.
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I just don't get it.
As for the streak, though, Eli just passed his brother a couple weeks ago and holds the #2 slot alone. He wasn't ever going to eclipse Favre. So there's that...
1. Favre 297
2. Eli 210
3. Peyton 208
Yeah, but Rivers isn't far behind Eli, so he will most likely pass him and push Eli to 3rd.
Phillip Rivera blew out a knee ages ago. His streak ended at 96 games
I agree. Let's remember they are officially eliminated from the playoffs. Let's see what Webb can do.
So you're paying the bonus in January....let talking trade?
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This isn't a normal organization. Its family run. And nothing around is done without John Mara being involved in it. You notice, McAdoo didn't just say he talked to Reese. He said he talked to ownership as well.
And does anyone on here really believe that if Reese said he didn't want McAdoo as coach it would have mattered? Get real
I do.. I don't know what kind of a shitty organization you work for where hiring manager's view point is not accounted for.. but if all key desicions are made by the owners.. than why have JR.. why give JR any credit for anything good that has happened..
you do know accorsi wanted nothing to do with coughlin and maras basically to bad we are hiring him
Even is thats true (no one has ever admitted it.. in fact they have admitted to the opposite).. they did listen to Accorsi and simply decided against it.. On the other hand I have never heard or seen anyone claim that JR didn't want BM.. But the JR fan club always makes bullshit assumptions that would support his side..
On the other hand, if you thought Eli was done or near done - might not be bad idea to let the dead-coach-walking take the hit.
This is good for McAdoo...if Geno wins a few games..he looks smart which helps him after the Giants shitcan his ass in 5 weeks.
Also, this clearly has the blessing of ownership...so why the fuck is everyone going ballistic on Jerry or Mcadoo? Give it to ownership as well.
i think Webb just hasn't had any practice reps yet. As a 3rd stringer all year Eli/Geno have taken all the reps. So I'm sure they don't want to just throw Webb out there to drown on the road in Oakland.
Also if Webb was replacing Eli you know how much pressure that would be? Let Geno take the brunt and then have Webb slide in for Geno after the storm clears.
Giants have been a disaster but this move kinda makes some kind of sense. They need to get a look at the other QB's.
Im through with this organization for the season. A couple of lame ducks doing this to the great QB weve ever had
The fact is the second half of last week games - our offense had 0 FIRST DOWNS in the second half until Garbage Time
Eli stats passing 13-27, 113 YDS, 1 INT
there are many problems with offense but Eli as QB has to take SOME responsibility for the offenses ineptitude
Mcadoo gave Eli a choice to keep on starting but let him know they would look at Webb during the game and ELI REFUSED
what else is Mcadoo suppose to do ?
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if you follow the logic of my post and the Giants are going to trade Eli you want to get him out of there before he gets hurt. Half the team is on IR, at least keep an asset in place that is already devalued. Like I said, Mara looks to be settling all family business and this is the start.
So you're paying the bonus in January....let talking trade?
Yes, it's sunk cost.
On the other hand, if you thought Eli was done or near done - might not be bad idea to let the dead-coach-walking take the hit.
This. Im telling you, this organization is so backwards with their thinking, Im not sure they will make any coaching/management moves.
On the other hand, if you thought Eli was done or near done - might not be bad idea to let the dead-coach-walking take the hit.
That was Matt's point - they're going to pin this on McAdoo, who will be fired the minute the season ends, so as to let him take the brunt of the anger for this.
+1000
A shitshow all the way around. The way the Giants treated Simms was shameful. This is pathetic. Eli is the fall guy for all.
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great post - really great points and I imagine you are right across the board.
if Mc actually said that about Geno giving them a better chance to win, then WOW - he really is all in on the anti-Eli brigade. it is ont thing to tow the line about seeing for the future, but if he is saying he wants to win now and Eli is holding the team back, then that is a bold statement that will likely seal his death warrant.
Like I said, McAdoo is a useful idiot. I can imagine Reese's "smartest guy in the room" comment to be made almost snidely at this point. Ray Handley was "a computer on the staff" of Parcells too. I think the Giants are going to get rid of everyone, this is the start of, unfortunately, what had to happen here. Mara is getting ready to start it all over.
no, McAdoo is a pussy. Francesa said it perfectly: "he's afraid to call out Beckham, but he'll call out Eli because he knows Eli has too much class to bite back pulicly"
They all suck. Reese, McAdoo and all involved, Mara/Tisch for enabling it. Reese should have been shitcanned after 2015.
Francesa is partly right. McAdoo is a pussy, however, as I noted, Mara is pulling the strings here. There is no way McAdoo can make this move without ownership approval. Period. McAdoo is a ready made fall guy for Mara. Like I said, a useful idiot. But Mara has now come to terms that Eli is done and it's time to move on. The NFL is a tough business and there is no easy way to say goodbye to a legend, but it has to happen sometime. Now is the time.
FREE ELI!!!
Eli declining he BS offer is great, however.
To be fair, I'd hope it would be 51-2. I'd expect Smith and Webb to at least vote for themselves.
I sports hate McAdoo and Reese. To scapegoat Eli like this is a fucking travesty.
I may not root for the Giants the same ever again.
I do not see any possibility of Manning being a member of the 2018 Giants now. They will probably ask him to accept a trade, but I think he might just retire.
and why Geno and not Webb? do the coaches think geno is going to save their jobs? if they are throwing in the towel for 2017, then let Webb get some reps.
this makes no sense as currently laid out.
He would not go out there for one series and then get pulled just for the streak. That would be beneath him and you can't help but admire Eli even more for declining that
I sports hate McAdoo and Reese. To scapegoat Eli like this is a fucking travesty.
I may not root for the Giants the same ever again.
It's not scapegoating Eli. This has nothing to do with Eli.
Any Coach with any pride would refuse that offer. It's an insult to someone of Coughlin's stature
No one wants to hear this given the pounding Mcadoo is taking on this thread but there is also the possibility that he is right, and that Eli is indeed a big issue right now. Not that Geno figures to fare much better but still.
If you take Eli's quote at face value, he had the option to continue to start knowing the situation but declined, then Geno is the only remaining option.
McAdoo says they'll see what Geno has because he's not going to say "we need a body to fill the snaps while we work Webb in."
If you take Eli's comments as being classy alone (and not really having the option), then it's just stupid.
Who gives a flying fuck?
Playing him is pointless.
Play the rookie.
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Not to be a dick but get over it. Eli will.
I didn't want this either but benching Eli won't hurt this franchise one bit. We haven't reached the point of no return.
Fans are going ape shit. Whatever.
I'd like to retract the get over it part. I hate mcadoo.
Worse than than that, the best QB on the team will be healthy, and being paid millions to carry a clipboard. Fucking pathetic...
If we accept that McAdoo thinks Eli is done or not best fit for his offense (more likely scenario). Then it's his call, like it or not.
But, if that's true then they won't bench him and expect him to stay there. There's definitely a trade afoot. Personally, I think Eli would be in a much more favorable position in Jax.
Jax Coach seems to have a handle on things. They have a great running game and defense. Offense is much better suited to Eli's skill set. TC and Eli get along great - last time Eli looked this sad was when TC got fired.
This moment might not be Eli's happiest but could be storm before the rainbow.
Giants can get some decent picks and move on. You might see Reese gone and different personnel decisions being made - someone more on same page with McAdoo.
Fire McAdon't
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Pretty pissed that he's getting benched for a never-will-be like Geno Smith. You want to throw the Webb kid in the deep end and see if he can swim? Fine by me, let's see if he can show us something before they spend a top 5 pick on a QB. What the hell is the point of Geno Smith, though?
I agree. Let's remember they are officially eliminated from the playoffs. Let's see what Webb can do.
This is the Giants honoring their depth chart. As if that is worth anything. Just dumb.
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Geno Fucking Smith is going to QB the Giants this week .... OHHHHHHHHHHHHH FUDGE .....
Worse than than that, the best QB on the team will be healthy, and being paid millions to carry a clipboard. Fucking pathetic...
I wonder if Eli will dress? I dare you McAdoo, you fat fuck, to put a healthy Eli Manning on the inactive list!
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Geno Fucking Smith is going to QB the Giants this week .... OHHHHHHHHHHHHH FUDGE .....
Worse than than that, the best QB on the team will be healthy, and being paid millions to carry a clipboard. Fucking pathetic...
I wonder if Eli will dress? I dare you McAdoo, you fat fuck, to put a healthy Eli Manning on the inactive list!
Why would he activate Eli if there's basically zero chance he's going to play?
A literal hail mary is probably more likely to help him out.
Playing him is pointless.
Play the rookie.
There is a reason not to play Webb in this game. Do you want the same shitshow which happened to the Buffalo QB two weeks ago when he threw 5 picks? Webb is considered very green coming out. You don't put him on the road in the Black Hole in his first game. He hasn't been in an NFL game when he wasn't in street clothes since the pre-season. The first move was to finally rip off the bandaid and say that Eli Manning is no longer the QB of the NY Giants. That's happened. Next is you throw Geno out there to earn his money and do the best he can in what will almost certainly be a loss, but at the end of the day, all you are asking Geno to do is not get hurt. Let Webb get his reps in practice. Dress for this game and be ready to go in if Geno gets hurt. Maybe get a series or two. And build from there where he gets more time against Dallas and increment from there where maybe he starts the Eagles game and we see him in for Philly, Arizona, and Washington. But I don't throw him out there to the Raiders where his confidence could get shattered off the bat. Baby steps.
Good bye Benny
Good bye Benny
We hate to see you go
He might be active this week, but once they're ready to have Webb see gametime, of course Eli will be inactive. You don't waste a roster spot. (Comments about how many roster spots we're already wasting aside).
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Yup bot him and Reese. They hope they luck out a couple of wins with Geno so they can pin this season on Eli. Even more reason to despise them both
I hope this is not the end. I hope this is just a break so Eli can play in 2018. But to quote a famous person, I've got a bad feeling about this.
However, there is a good chance that this decision was made for him. Potentially a smart PR move by John Mara to put this all on McAdoo since he is getting canned anyway.
Its not likely they would win any of the last 5 anyway, and, if they still wanted the best chance to win, THIS move was unnecessary in the first place.
Another 1/2 ass 1/2 step to address a 2 step problem.
The winner in this: Jack DelRio!
They saved his job if the final score is by 28+
Head coach is most certainly being fired at end of the season. GM Jerry Reese who has won two Super Bowls, his future is in doubt.
At end of November, team announces they're benching Eli. Who conceived the idea (ownership? Reese? if head coach did, how could he sell it to the other two?).
Eli's relationship with the franchise may have been thrown in the trash over this which is the inexcusable part. Geno Smith and Davis Webb do not give them better chances to win these final games. If Reese says that, it's a boldfaced lie.
That being said, I continue to be amazed by how many here care about a given player's individual accomplishment despite the team sucking with him at the helm.
The streak is meaningless. This move take a the streak talk off the table when the organization inevitablely move to another QB. The streak would have prevented that. It's time.
First I welcomed my second son into this world this morning.
The second being the day Eli was benched.
This has been a doozy of a day.
T-bone Mazel Tov
Are you going to make him Eli?
The Gino Smith stuff is bullshit. He'll never be worth a draft pick.
If I were Eli, I'd have taken the deal and said "I'll play a half, or 3 quarters, then you can let Webb finish."
That's not Eli -- and I respect his POV, without necessarily agreeing with it.
That said, McAdoo is now DONE in NY (and I mean the STATE, not just the team). Whether he's fired or not, he's gonna top Ray Handley as the most hated coach in Giants history.
There is no possibility that anyone who has watched Geno play over his career believes he gives the Giants a better chance to win any remaining game on the schedule, and I think everyone knows what he is and what he isn't based on a pretty substantial resume in the NFL.
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Geno Fucking Smith is going to QB the Giants this week .... OHHHHHHHHHHHHH FUDGE .....
Worse than than that, the best QB on the team will be healthy, and being paid millions to carry a clipboard. Fucking pathetic...
I wonder if Eli will dress? I dare you McAdoo, you fat fuck, to put a healthy Eli Manning on the inactive list!
Well....the excuse the Giants Media has given for why Webb was inactive was that there were not enough roster spots available due to all the injuries to activate/dress 3 quarterbacks.
If Webb is going to play some in these last few weeks, that means one of the QB's will have to be inactive. Since they want apparently Geno to start these games, the process of elimination leads you to only one conclusion.
I can't believe this how it is ending.
I don't think it necessarily means the end of Eli because he's owed a lot of money, no other team is going to pay shit to take care of the Giants' problems and assume their liabilities, and whatever young guy they pick up will need a mentor. Teams aren't paying anything for a guy they think might get cut.
And this is John Mara's team and he is calling the shots. Good luck with that. Really worked well with his Daddy.
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I wonder if Eli will dress? I dare you McAdoo, you fat fuck, to put a healthy Eli Manning on the inactive list!
He might be active this week, but once they're ready to have Webb see gametime, of course Eli will be inactive. You don't waste a roster spot. (Comments about how many roster spots we're already wasting aside).
You wouldn't need to waste a roster spot to start Webb and keep Eli #2. You'd just deactivate Geno.
Shameful act of cowardice by this org.
Haven't been watching much football, now I just may tank on this team just as they tanked on their leader.
Shame the way they let Simms go, now an even worse disaster.
I can't see ownership approving it.
Reese.....yes.
There is absolutely no question that Mara was at least notified of this before it was made public (and likely before it was discussed with any players), IMO. This isn't just any ordinary lineup decision; this is something that affects PR, marketing, sales, etc. That definitely rolls all the way up the ladder before the decision is final.
It doesn't necessarily mean that Mara endorsed it or agreed with it, but at a minimum that he recognizes that a dumpster fire is a dumpster fire no matter how hot the flames get.
He played in the Pac 10.
He's played enough and he's been with NYG long enough. They should have been getting him ready for weeks. If there was a QB change, the only guy to play is a rookie.
I don't care about a Buffalo QB throwing a lot of picks. Has nothing to do with Webb.
I can totally understand the shock regarding Eli, but not Geno. Webb will get his shot and some playing time.
Agreed.
It is often the same at the start of spring training. Giants tend to start the lineup with incumbents from the previous season and then work the possible replacements in slowly.
He played in the Pac 10.
He's played enough and he's been with NYG long enough. They should have been getting him ready for weeks. If there was a QB change, the only guy to play is a rookie.
I don't care about a Buffalo QB throwing a lot of picks. Has nothing to do with Webb.
This.
This move has nothing to do with seeing what the Giants have for the future. This is all about hoping that Geno puts together a few wins so McAdoo and Reese can save their jobs by pretending that the asinine coaching and terrible personnel decisions are somehow Eli's fault.
I think I'm done with this team for the foreseeable future
Reese is saying this is something this is the best thing for the organization right now, which is not at all the same thing as saying it's the team's best chance to win. You can argue that it really is the best thing for the organization, as many have above. But let's be honest -- they're basically tanking the season and starting to look at next year.
I don't think McAdoo is fooling anybody, including the players, and he's going to pay a price in the locker room.
let eli play out the year..during games then insert Webb ..NOT Geno!! holy fuck
In no freaking screwed up thinking is starting Geno the answer. No way. This just shows that they have no clue what they are doing and they are lost. Fire everyone in management. Everyone.
-Justin Pugh gets hurt getting out of bed in the morning and the team treats him like he's Larry Allen.
- Half the defense openly quit on the team this year. Couple suspensions but everyone is allowed back.
- Beckham can literally do whatever he wants and the coach or management refuses to even criticize the guy let along fine or suspend him.
- Mcadoo makes every wrong move possible. The "offensive" coach hasn't cracked 30 points. He'll only call out the QB and is the biggest clown I've seen be a coach in any sport for a long time. He gets to finish the year from the "classy Giants". That's the guy you want representing your team?
Yet Eli represents the team with pride and class. Plays every game regardless of health. Never complains or criticizes his coaches or teammates. No need to list all his accomplishments and what he's done for the franchise- we all know them. He's the guy that has to take a seat for a 28 free agent to be quarterback who has proven to be bad in the league and classless off the field? Despicable.
Mara doesn't even the decency to speak with him about it? "Wasn't in the office"??? Mcadoo tries to act like he gave him the opportunity to continue the streak?
I've never been more ashamed to be a Giants fan.
I would put the odds on him returning a little higher than what is being said on BBI right now.
It may sound crazy, but I've got a feeling that is how it will go down.
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Fire everybody. That isn't an overreaction. It's just what's warranted.
no one has a guaranteed job
that said, I expect the offense to be just as lousy under Geno.
The Eli Manning era is over. There's no perfect way to move on, but he doesn't need some forced illustrious swan song or hyperbolic symbols of loyalty. What's really the difference between now and during the off-season? The former at least will offer a legit Sunday look at Webb vs NFL starters before the draft. That's notable.
Brett Favre WAS the Green Bay Packers for almost 20 years. Few players more embodied a franchise. But he got old and a better course arose. See ya Brett, have fun on the Jets. Or maybe the Packers should have clung on?
Eli has been a great Giant. But Mara is understandably looking to 2018 & beyond.
Good post.
Eli hasn't been good for years. We haven't scored more than 24 points in how long? Even with weapons?
This was a good move. Eli was once great for us, but we need to move on. The NFL is cutthroat and no player deserves to be coddled.
Treating a 2 time SB MVP and winner like this is classless.
And Johnny Boy is a spineless phlegm bag along with his brother Chrissy for allowing this even to occur. Mc Acrap should have been fired during the bye week.
What a disgraceful state of affairs. I am done for this year and if the 2 ass's don't go on 1 Jan I am done.
Reese deserves ALL of the bullets. He's put this franchise in THIS position with his TERRIBLE drafts and FA signings.
He's gone, just like Mac is. Two clowns, gone.
no one has a guaranteed job
that said, I expect the offense to be just as lousy under Geno.
The offense DEFINITELY is going to look as shitty with Geno. The question is will it look as shitty with Davis Webb whenever he plays? The answer to that will determine A LOT. It will determine the microscopic chance of McAdoo being head coach next season. It will determine just how strongly the Giants go for a QB in the draft. Those answers will then affect the question of who exactly is the HC next year?
- First, I don't believe McAdoo ever really was a big fan of Eli. Last year, when he questioned some of Eli's decisions, and in the offseason when people were all over Flowers saying "he needs to learn to play without a clean pocket". Some thought this was a distraction thing and Eli can handle it. But we saw the part about the pitch counts in training camp. Also drafting Webb in the 3rd round. And a week or so ago when McAdoo commented that other QBs would get reps and then backed off. Part could be McAdoo blaming Eli's play for the offensive struggles, which in turn saves McAdoo's game planning. Either way, I don't think McAdoo was a big Eli fan.
- We all saw that Giants were going to look at a QB in the first round. They've leaked their interest so Darnold and Rosen have their antenna up to come out in the draft. So that was in motion. This move further cements that.
- I have to believe McAdoo didn't do this alone. As noted above, he's shown signs he's not an Eli guy. But they had to wait until officially eliminated so Mara can get on board. The whole offer to let Eli to start and keep the streak going was a feeble nod of respect to Eli but Eli rightly told them to shove it (in a classy way).
- I had written before that I thought the best case for the Giants was to replay 1993, ie when Simms started and Brown/Graham were on the bench to learn. I thought this would be a good plan for 2018. Let Eli start, and Webb/new first rounder watch. But the x factor here, was the salary cap. The Giants might well have realized to get a QB with a top 3 pick will cost too much to keep Eli and that QB around. So really, Geno is getting his chance to play the veteran QB to keep the seat warm for the new QB. Who saw that coming with Geno as a veteran hand to ready the kids.
- Get Webb on the field in meaningful downs. Don't bring him in down 20 in the 4th quarter. I can play QB against a defense playing prevent that stopped caring. If you are going to do this to Eli, at least get something out of it. Learning that Geno Smith is a caretaker makes this move a waste. Get Webb real experience and cut the crap.
- Eli has to be traded. This is it for Eli. The move has been made and its time to get value for him. If you can't support him in the cap with a new first round QB, you need to trade him and get something back. Teams will want him. Denver and Jax come to mind. Probably you will get a 2nd rounder for him, I'd hope. Think Donovan McNabb to Washington right now. But with this move, Eli is done as a NYG in my mind.
- And lastly, this is it for McAdoo. In my mind, Mara is settling all family business. McAdoo gets to be the bad guy here. But the organization has decided to move on from Eli. No one likes McAdoo anyway, so the "smartest guy in the room" becomes a useful idiot to ownership. The Giants franchise needs to move on from Eli. There is no graceful way to do it with his streak and all he's done. So let the guy who isn't popular do it anyway. And then you fire him after the season and start over from the ground up with a new coach, new QB, and likely a new GM. I think this move has Mara all over it because he's now realized it's time to start this entire thing over. Get the last month of the season to see Webb, say your good byes to Eli, maybe put him in the final Redskins game as a thank you and start everything over in 2018.
I like this post too. Especially the point of macadoo being the fall guy with Eli. Clean slate for a new coach without having to be the bad guy for cutting Eli.
R** H*****y announced he was forming a strategy for the next season right before he was canned.
McAdoo is history. Then we can blot his name out too.
It wasn't just getting killed by the 49ers or knowing McAdoo was toast - Rightly or wrongly, it was perhaps an extremely anxious Mara realizing the enormity of being done with Eli.
For a couple of reasons, I do not think Reese is getting fired. Including his attendance at USC UCLA a week later.
He's never gotten to pick "his QB". I've always had the sneaking suspicion he wanted to run a modern spread offense. We may find out. (Jackson?)
So you think Reese is the public face for Chris Mara who is the true GM?
If Reese is still our GM next year I agree that's the only explanation.
Trying to find a bright side here... At least I won't be watching our captain go down with the ship.
We haven't seen the worst, there is some ugly football coming our way. At least Eli won't have to be in the middle of it.
this is how I see the impact of this decision and it's a huge one that shouldn't be understated how this is a turning point in the Franchise history.
- First, I don't believe McAdoo ever really was a big fan of Eli. Last year, when he questioned some of Eli's decisions, and in the offseason when people were all over Flowers saying "he needs to learn to play without a clean pocket". Some thought this was a distraction thing and Eli can handle it. But we saw the part about the pitch counts in training camp. Also drafting Webb in the 3rd round. And a week or so ago when McAdoo commented that other QBs would get reps and then backed off. Part could be McAdoo blaming Eli's play for the offensive struggles, which in turn saves McAdoo's game planning. Either way, I don't think McAdoo was a big Eli fan.
- We all saw that Giants were going to look at a QB in the first round. They've leaked their interest so Darnold and Rosen have their antenna up to come out in the draft. So that was in motion. This move further cements that.
- I have to believe McAdoo didn't do this alone. As noted above, he's shown signs he's not an Eli guy. But they had to wait until officially eliminated so Mara can get on board. The whole offer to let Eli to start and keep the streak going was a feeble nod of respect to Eli but Eli rightly told them to shove it (in a classy way).
- I had written before that I thought the best case for the Giants was to replay 1993, ie when Simms started and Brown/Graham were on the bench to learn. I thought this would be a good plan for 2018. Let Eli start, and Webb/new first rounder watch. But the x factor here, was the salary cap. The Giants might well have realized to get a QB with a top 3 pick will cost too much to keep Eli and that QB around. So really, Geno is getting his chance to play the veteran QB to keep the seat warm for the new QB. Who saw that coming with Geno as a veteran hand to ready the kids.
- Get Webb on the field in meaningful downs. Don't bring him in down 20 in the 4th quarter. I can play QB against a defense playing prevent that stopped caring. If you are going to do this to Eli, at least get something out of it. Learning that Geno Smith is a caretaker makes this move a waste. Get Webb real experience and cut the crap.
- Eli has to be traded. This is it for Eli. The move has been made and its time to get value for him. If you can't support him in the cap with a new first round QB, you need to trade him and get something back. Teams will want him. Denver and Jax come to mind. Probably you will get a 2nd rounder for him, I'd hope. Think Donovan McNabb to Washington right now. But with this move, Eli is done as a NYG in my mind.
- And lastly, this is it for McAdoo. In my mind, Mara is settling all family business. McAdoo gets to be the bad guy here. But the organization has decided to move on from Eli. No one likes McAdoo anyway, so the "smartest guy in the room" becomes a useful idiot to ownership. The Giants franchise needs to move on from Eli. There is no graceful way to do it with his streak and all he's done. So let the guy who isn't popular do it anyway. And then you fire him after the season and start over from the ground up with a new coach, new QB, and likely a new GM. I think this move has Mara all over it because he's now realized it's time to start this entire thing over. Get the last month of the season to see Webb, say your good byes to Eli, maybe put him in the final Redskins game as a thank you and start everything over in 2018.
This might be the best post I have ever read on BBI. Great job by Matt.
I dont think they can trade Eli, no one will give them enough because of his salary. I think Eli goes into camp next year a Giant and wins the starting job. This is about giving Webb valuable practice and game experience and seeing if Geno has learned anything. If they see nothing in Webb, they draft a QB early, if they see something in Webb they could go RB or OL early in the first. I find this information more important than Elis streak and so does ownership.
Intelligent people gather as much information as possible when making important decisions. This is that. If Webb and Geno stink up the joint, that is valuable information. If the Giants lose their remaining games because of their inexperience, that is also relevant to our draft position. The only negative is that the classiest and best QB ever to wear Giant blue is going to feel slighted(fuck the streak). I wish we were not 2-9 but we and this is the best thing for the franchise to do.
This might be the best post I have ever read on BBI. Great job by Matt.
Trying to find a bright side here... At least I won't be watching our captain go down with the ship.
We haven't seen the worst, there is some ugly football coming our way. At least Eli won't have to be in the middle of it.
I think your head is in the sand if you don't realize ELI IS A PART OF THIS SEASON. Reese might be the most at fault... McAdoo too. But Eli is also a part of the reason this is a 2-9 clusterfuck.
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The same he didn't want to pay Whitworth. But Reese will go out there and take the bullets for him. And thats exactly why Reese isn't going any where
So you think Reese is the public face for Chris Mara who is the true GM?
If Reese is still our GM next year I agree that's the only explanation.
If Tisch would allow it. Chris Mara would be GM. We both know this.
Ernie Acorsi and Eli Manning, Thank You for our Super Bowls, I never thought this piece of shit was any good and this proves it all. let me hear how classy the Giants are now, the most classless handling of a two time Super Bowl MVP in NFL history, that is what John Mara is now.
2004 - 1 appearance Kurt Warner
2007 - 2 appearances Jared Lorenz
2007 - 2 appearances Anthony Wright
2008 - 3 appearances David Carr
2009 - 6 appearances David Carr
2012 - 2 appearances David Carr
2013 - 3 appearances Curtis Painter
2014 - 2 appearances Ryan Nassib
2015 - 1 appearances Ryan Nassib
2017 - 1 appearances Geno Smith
Franchise has been incredibly fortunate.
Easy there. Wellington Mara pulled some good ones when he was in charge.
And for Geno Smith?!?! GTFOH! How does this inspire anyone else in that locker room to play hard? Well I'll be taking drunk tonight and toasting to this guy
Reese isn't coming back no matter what. Webb would have to look like Joe Montana for McAdoo to come back. So basically no, he isn't coming back either. The difference is there's no Davis Webb behind those guys to evaluate by removing them now.
...a legend.
But really, folks. Do you really give a shit about Eli's consecutive game streak?
Especially in a season like this in which the Giants are an abject doormat of the NFL.
And a doormat that's been tread on several times in the past several years.
We got bigger problems than Eli's streak coming to an end.
Really.
Of course, playing Smith presents a real problem if Smith stinks up the joint. Who, then, does McAdoo play? Does he play Webb to see what he can do? If so, he's saying that a rookie gives the Giants a better chance to win the game than does Eli, which is tough to accept. If he goes back to Eli, he's losing any attempt to learn what Webb can do. Interesting times ahead.
I am actually surprised they did it, figured it would be
later in the season if they did it. I think this spells the
beginning of the end for Eli here. They know they have a top 3
pick on the horizon.
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This might be the best post I have ever read on BBI. Great job by Matt.
+1
Not a bad read, but to address the point about $: the way rookie contracts are structured now, you can totally have both a first round QB and Eli on the roster for a year. Not saying they'll do that, but I don't think economics will have anything to do with it.
I feel sick thinking about Eli not starting behind Geno Smith. This organization has turned into a disgrace to me this season. Sad.
Doubt it. He was around when they cut Phil Simms, remember?
There is no good way to push out a legend. Look at what happened in SF when Montana was moved to KC. Or Favre to the Jets and then to the Vikings. Hell, even Eli's brother got the shaft in Indy when they released him to make way for Luck. That said, there were probably better ways to handle it.
Ultimately, McAdoo is just further digging his own grave with his comments and it plays to the game Mara will be playing. At the end of the day, the Giants will pick in the top 3 and will take a QB. If you bring in a new coach, you don't want that coach to have to deal with the problem of pushing out Eli for the new QB. That's a tough start. Let McAdoo take the hit. Like a pitcher in a blowout game, he's gonna suck up his ERA getting lit up and take one for the team. In this case, McAdoo is going to be a PR nightmare, and it appears that he sucks at working the press and fans anyway, so screw it.
Everything stinks about this, there is no nice way of doing this. All that is left is to fire McAdoo and Reese after the season and look to trade Eli and let a new coach and new QB begin a new era of Giants football.
no one has a guaranteed job
Fuck What McAdoo thinks he is a moron.
that said, I expect the offense to be just as lousy under Geno.
God that would be so awesome.
It's amazing how much one bad hire, in the wrong spot, can hurt.
This is my take too. Sort of. I think Mara figures fuck it, mcadoo "deserves" the right to make a change at qb even if he's lost and at the very worst, Geno plays worse and nothing saves this offense anyway. If Geno actually out plays Eli... I can't even process that.
I want to hibernate. This season is fucking gross. Make it go away. Please.
Why does it have to be Geno fucking smith??? Why him??? Why couldn't they just start giving Webb reps the last few weeks and start him???? Why??? Is it so outlandish to give Webb reps in practice after being red shirted all fucking season???? Ok fine he came from a spread offense... for fucks sake coach him up already!!!! No... not our team. Ben feels Geno smith is the right man for this job. He will save this offense.
My god I can't believe how crazy this is. Handley was better. A lot better!!!!
Coach McAdoo told me I could continue to start while Geno and Davis [Webb] are given an opportunity to play. My feeling is that if you are going to play the other guys, play them, Manning said. Starting just to keep the streak going and knowing you wont finish the game and have a chance to win it is pointless to me, and it tarnishes the streak. Like I always have, I will be ready to play if and when I am needed. I will help Geno and Davis prepare to play as well as they possibly can.
If McAdoo had any change for a 3rd year he just fell on the sword. Spite or Stupidity? He really is an idiot.
Geno over Webb - the more I think about it, this make sense. once you decide to see what the other guys have, you have to start Geno for game or 2 and allow Webb to take more reps in practice and get him ready for the final 2-3 games.
If geno sucks, you get Webb in quicker... if Geno looks good, well that is a different and more interesting dilemma. either way, it probably makes more sense than starting Webb cold.
Exactly...
Coach McAdoo told me I could continue to start while Geno and Davis [Webb] are given an opportunity to play. My feeling is that if you are going to play the other guys, play them, Manning said. Starting just to keep the streak going and knowing you wont finish the game and have a chance to win it is pointless to me, and it tarnishes the streak. Like I always have, I will be ready to play if and when I am needed. I will help Geno and Davis prepare to play as well as they possibly can.
If McAdoo had any change for a 3rd year he just fell on the sword. Spite or Stupidity? He really is an idiot.
McAdoo's only chance of returning was that Webb looks really good. Playing out the string with Eli made that .005% chance of returning non-existent.
Why Mac ... what do you care how Davis plays. You will have no part in his progress as a coach - unless you both end up on the same team down the road.
Look at him talking like he is going to be here next year .... WTF?
We have become the NFC East's version of the browns.
TOLD YOU!
Get all the money you can and put it on the Raiders. Easy payday .... Free money.
38 - 0 ... at HALFTIME!
Reese and his staff needs to be given their walking papers immediately. We need competence in preparation for the next draft and the new team need to get to work now.
McAdoo can coach out the year but not a second longer.
I have been so deflated by this ownership/management fiasco that I have only commented on this team about 5 times this year. Not fun.
Two more things, find Eli a new home where he can finish his career.
Congratulations T-Bone. Best news in this thread.
Im going to hold you to that. Now can you fuck off?
Some of the dumbest shit I have read on this board has come under your name.
If Eli went to the Eagles right now, I'd probably root for them to win it all.
The coach is not doing you a favor.
Remember the old saying, he who turns and runs away, lives to fight another day.
Ernie Acorsi and Eli Manning, Thank You for our Super Bowls, I never thought this piece of shit was any good and this proves it all. let me hear how classy the Giants are now, the most classless handling of a two time Super Bowl MVP in NFL history, that is what John Mara is now.
I agree. First time I have no interest in the Giants winning. I hope they get blown out the rest of the season.
The proper way to handle this is exactly as Mara said when addressing McAdoo. Wait till seasons end then evaluate as a whole. If they decide to move on, then rip off the band aid then. This option drags Eli and the fans through the mud.
The coach is not doing you a favor.
Remember the old saying, he who turns and runs away, lives to fight another day.
I am beginning to think this whole thing is a ruse .... The Raiders will prep for Geno and he shows up Sunday with a cast on his throwing arm after suffering a "slip slide" in the bathroom ... Eli starts and leads the Giants to a win (and preserves his streak). That has to be the only logical explanation ....?
The Richter scale went off today when the collective jaws of the NFL hit the floor with this announcement ... I am beyond shocked. I am sick to my stomach .... and there is STILL A MONTH LEFT. WHAT NEXT?!
This is beyond unreal ... it is surreal.
I would have loved to have seen a completely empty stadium because of fan protest.
Yes, Eli streak matters to me, because it matters to him. He has been all class during his years here with some shitty teams and teammate throwing him under the bus. The season is over, why fuck one more thing up.
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I like your post. But why not handle the Eli situation a bit differently. Be honest with Eli about playing Webb and I'm sure he gets it. With the caveat that if he wants to explore a trade in the offseason, so be it. NO reason to embarrass and disrespect him like this now. Especially with a lame duck coach, as you project.
There is no good way to push out a legend. Look at what happened in SF when Montana was moved to KC. Or Favre to the Jets and then to the Vikings. Hell, even Eli's brother got the shaft in Indy when they released him to make way for Luck. That said, there were probably better ways to handle it.
Ultimately, McAdoo is just further digging his own grave with his comments and it plays to the game Mara will be playing. At the end of the day, the Giants will pick in the top 3 and will take a QB. If you bring in a new coach, you don't want that coach to have to deal with the problem of pushing out Eli for the new QB. That's a tough start. Let McAdoo take the hit. Like a pitcher in a blowout game, he's gonna suck up his ERA getting lit up and take one for the team. In this case, McAdoo is going to be a PR nightmare, and it appears that he sucks at working the press and fans anyway, so screw it.
Everything stinks about this, there is no nice way of doing this. All that is left is to fire McAdoo and Reese after the season and look to trade Eli and let a new coach and new QB begin a new era of Giants football.
Again, if Benny boy and pos Reese are not let go after this debacle I am DONE with this team.
Per Eli sounds exactly like what they did.
But, Geno makes no sense. He is not in the current, immediate future, or future plans. He doesn't give them a better chance to win. If, as some suggested, that's the point, then this franchise is morally bankrupt.
I firmly believe Eli is not done. I hope they now give him the dignity of cutting him or trading him (by now I obviously mean after the season). I truly think he will lead a good team deep into the playoffs.
If this move truly has the backing of Reese and ownership, I only hope it doesn't mean that McAdoo and Reese are not getting a pass for another year. That would also prove the franchise is rudderless and clueless.
I wish, in this one instance, Eli would not take the high road and the same goes for the rest of the team. I am actually so disgusted I am torn whether to actually not root for the Giants for the first time this weekend. I can't bring myself to, but I can promise that next year I will be rooting for whatever team Eli ends up on and hope he has a big season. Fuck Mara. Fuck Reese. Fuck McAdoo.
Geno Fucking Smith?!
Geno has no future on this roster, or any NFL roster.
Kind of stupid isn't it, but then again its par for the McAdoo course.
This is the worst season I have ever witnessed and MacGrease ball has taken the top spot from Ray Handley .
I pray to God they can this smug ass POS !
The Giants have hit rock bottom hell Cleveland could whip our asses 4 out of 5 games .
So great we get the staggering Cowboys at home I hope they
boo every friggen play good bad or ugly much of what will be
ugly . Mara Really you allowed this spam eating slug shit on Eli with nothing at stake . I am fucking stunned I could see if Webb was ready let him play the 2nd half and
the thing about the streak pisses me off as well this change does absolutely nothing for this team FAIL
Geno over Webb - the more I think about it, this make sense. once you decide to see what the other guys have, you have to start Geno for game or 2 and allow Webb to take more reps in practice and get him ready for the final 2-3 games.
If geno sucks, you get Webb in quicker... if Geno looks good, well that is a different and more interesting dilemma. either way, it probably makes more sense than starting Webb cold.
This is how I figure it too. Except I don't think Geno's performance will impact how fast Webb gets in. I think he gets in as fast as coaches think he can without getting killed.
I hope this isn't true, and I seriously doubt it too. Who in their right mind would want to see Geno playing over Eli.
Wherever Eli plays next year, Im rooting for that team to win, and I hope he pads his HOF resume for the next few seasons.
The general comments from players, coaches, and fans is clear - this is just not the right way to treat a player of Eli's caliber/history. It is a massive deterrent to future players considering coming here as well so it hurts the team.
Fk U McAdoo!
Agree, people aren't getting it. This is obviously the path and its going right over everybody's head...
when you take emotion out of it, it makes sense to see what they have in Webb (even if not in ideal circumstances). They need to have some sense how imperative to use their top 3 pick on a QB or some other position. Many of us have been saying this for weeks.
that said, this could have been handled so much better, and they could have at least tried to show more class to Eli than they did. McAdoo showed himself as a Grade A arsehole yesterday (as if there was any doubt left) with his comments and how matter of fact he was about it. Reese, to my knowledge, said nothing (which may be better considering how he screws up pressers)... and Mara no where to be found.
so, in short, probably the right football move, but classless/ham-handed way to do it.
- First, I don't believe McAdoo ever really was a big fan of Eli. Last year, when he questioned some of Eli's decisions, and in the offseason when people were all over Flowers saying "he needs to learn to play without a clean pocket". Some thought this was a distraction thing and Eli can handle it. But we saw the part about the pitch counts in training camp. Also drafting Webb in the 3rd round. And a week or so ago when McAdoo commented that other QBs would get reps and then backed off. Part could be McAdoo blaming Eli's play for the offensive struggles, which in turn saves McAdoo's game planning. Either way, I don't think McAdoo was a big Eli fan.
- We all saw that Giants were going to look at a QB in the first round. They've leaked their interest so Darnold and Rosen have their antenna up to come out in the draft. So that was in motion. This move further cements that.
- I have to believe McAdoo didn't do this alone. As noted above, he's shown signs he's not an Eli guy. But they had to wait until officially eliminated so Mara can get on board. The whole offer to let Eli to start and keep the streak going was a feeble nod of respect to Eli but Eli rightly told them to shove it (in a classy way).
- I had written before that I thought the best case for the Giants was to replay 1993, ie when Simms started and Brown/Graham were on the bench to learn. I thought this would be a good plan for 2018. Let Eli start, and Webb/new first rounder watch. But the x factor here, was the salary cap. The Giants might well have realized to get a QB with a top 3 pick will cost too much to keep Eli and that QB around. So really, Geno is getting his chance to play the veteran QB to keep the seat warm for the new QB. Who saw that coming with Geno as a veteran hand to ready the kids.
- Get Webb on the field in meaningful downs. Don't bring him in down 20 in the 4th quarter. I can play QB against a defense playing prevent that stopped caring. If you are going to do this to Eli, at least get something out of it. Learning that Geno Smith is a caretaker makes this move a waste. Get Webb real experience and cut the crap.
- Eli has to be traded. This is it for Eli. The move has been made and its time to get value for him. If you can't support him in the cap with a new first round QB, you need to trade him and get something back. Teams will want him. Denver and Jax come to mind. Probably you will get a 2nd rounder for him, I'd hope. Think Donovan McNabb to Washington right now. But with this move, Eli is done as a NYG in my mind.
- And lastly, this is it for McAdoo. In my mind, Mara is settling all family business. McAdoo gets to be the bad guy here. But the organization has decided to move on from Eli. No one likes McAdoo anyway, so the "smartest guy in the room" becomes a useful idiot to ownership. The Giants franchise needs to move on from Eli. There is no graceful way to do it with his streak and all he's done. So let the guy who isn't popular do it anyway. And then you fire him after the season and start over from the ground up with a new coach, new QB, and likely a new GM. I think this move has Mara all over it because he's now realized it's time to start this entire thing over. Get the last month of the season to see Webb, say your good byes to Eli, maybe put him in the final Redskins game as a thank you and start everything over in 2018.
So the smartest guy in the room ... became an idiot patsy. I like it.
Good post Matt.
a full arsenal of what, this O has been terrible all last year too!
The answer is that will unlikely happen, but if it does "great". It tough to imagine Geno can consistently play without turning the ball over but if he does for a few games, it only gives us options. I forgot if he was signed to a 1 or 2 year deal though.
How Geno or Webb play has no effect on McAdoo in my opinion as he is only doing this out of desperation and b/c he was told too.