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Little Giants : 11/28/2017 3:27 pm
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Disgraceful.  
Crispino : 11/28/2017 5:49 pm : link
The season is lost and the lame duck coach is scapegoating Eli Manning in favor of fucking Geno Smith!? Please. And ownership is going to let Mcadoo disgrace Eli in an effort to save his job? Fuck them too. I will be actively rooting against this team for the first time in my life. It will be the first time in weeks I’ve had a reason to watch this sorry, sack of shit team.
Now that the Knicks are getting their house in order a bit  
bceagle05 : 11/28/2017 5:51 pm : link
it seems we've taken the torch as the most dysfunctional franchise in New York. Absolute chaos from top to bottom. This is a dark day in Giants history.
Disgrace  
TyreeHelmet : 11/28/2017 5:52 pm : link
Ereck Flowers can play like dogshit for 2 years and not only isn't benched but they aren't allowed to bring in competition in camp for for his position. And please spare me that the guy has improved- he's a terrible left tackle.
-Justin Pugh gets hurt getting out of bed in the morning and the team treats him like he's Larry Allen.
- Half the defense openly quit on the team this year. Couple suspensions but everyone is allowed back.
- Beckham can literally do whatever he wants and the coach or management refuses to even criticize the guy let along fine or suspend him.
- Mcadoo makes every wrong move possible. The "offensive" coach hasn't cracked 30 points. He'll only call out the QB and is the biggest clown I've seen be a coach in any sport for a long time. He gets to finish the year from the "classy Giants". That's the guy you want representing your team?

Yet Eli represents the team with pride and class. Plays every game regardless of health. Never complains or criticizes his coaches or teammates. No need to list all his accomplishments and what he's done for the franchise- we all know them. He's the guy that has to take a seat for a 28 free agent to be quarterback who has proven to be bad in the league and classless off the field? Despicable.

Mara doesn't even the decency to speak with him about it? "Wasn't in the office"??? Mcadoo tries to act like he gave him the opportunity to continue the streak?

I've never been more ashamed to be a Giants fan.
RE: Only thing I can hope for here  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/28/2017 5:53 pm : link
In comment 13709192 djm said:
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Is Mara is simply giving mcadoo all the rope He needs to hang himself. Mcadoo's presser sounded terrifying with phrases like "evaluating for next season." This can't be happening. Right? No way. Please.


I would put the odds on him returning a little higher than what is being said on BBI right now.

It may sound crazy, but I've got a feeling that is how it will go down.
i am absolutely sick over this  
gmen4ever : 11/28/2017 5:55 pm : link
and sad for Eli and for all Giants fans.
If Eli winds up in Jax,  
Mad Mike : 11/28/2017 5:57 pm : link
could at least have a nice "Eddie, Eddie" moment next year. I've always loved that moment during the anthem.
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I can bet you this much  
montanagiant : 11/28/2017 5:58 pm : link
The Giants never realized how bad the backlash of this is going to be. It is all over Twitter and it is easily 95% calling The Giants and McAdoo out over this
If  
AcidTest : 11/28/2017 5:58 pm : link
you're going to make this change now, you do it for Webb. My guess is that Webb will in fact start some games after he gets more reps in practice. But he should have already had those reps for weeks so he'd be ready to start instead of Smith.

Fire everybody. That isn't an overreaction. It's just what's warranted.
Mara just doesn't want to pay that bonus  
Rflairr : 11/28/2017 6:00 pm : link
The same he didn't want to pay Whitworth. But Reese will go out there and take the bullets for him. And thats exactly why Reese isn't going any where
I'm no fan of McAdoo  
Vanzetti : 11/28/2017 6:01 pm : link
but if he thinks the QB is not making plays he should, then he is absolutely right to try something different

no one has a guaranteed job

that said, I expect the offense to be just as lousy under Geno.
Hes all of a sudden quiet  
Rflairr : 11/28/2017 6:02 pm : link
When any other time, hes the only one that gets to talk on big decisions.
RE: It's not about Geno  
Dodge : 11/28/2017 6:02 pm : link
In comment 13708483 Overseer said:
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entirely irrelevant.

The Eli Manning era is over. There's no perfect way to move on, but he doesn't need some forced illustrious swan song or hyperbolic symbols of loyalty. What's really the difference between now and during the off-season? The former at least will offer a legit Sunday look at Webb vs NFL starters before the draft. That's notable.

Brett Favre WAS the Green Bay Packers for almost 20 years. Few players more embodied a franchise. But he got old and a better course arose. See ya Brett, have fun on the Jets. Or maybe the Packers should have clung on?

Eli has been a great Giant. But Mara is understandably looking to 2018 & beyond.


Good post.

Eli hasn't been good for years. We haven't scored more than 24 points in how long? Even with weapons?

This was a good move. Eli was once great for us, but we need to move on. The NFL is cutthroat and no player deserves to be coddled.
Agree fire  
mdthedream : 11/28/2017 6:05 pm : link
his ass. I can understand starting the rookie but why bother starting Geno.
Giants Organization -- Disgraceful  
Devour the Day : 11/28/2017 6:05 pm : link
If Benny the boob and Reese's Sh*t Pieces is not fired at the end of this debacle I am done as a NYG fan forever.
Treating a 2 time SB MVP and winner like this is classless.
And Johnny Boy is a spineless phlegm bag along with his brother Chrissy for allowing this even to occur. Mc Acrap should have been fired during the bye week.
What a disgraceful state of affairs. I am done for this year and if the 2 ass's don't go on 1 Jan I am done.
RE: Mara just doesn't want to pay that bonus  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/28/2017 6:05 pm : link
In comment 13709265 Rflairr said:
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The same he didn't want to pay Whitworth. But Reese will go out there and take the bullets for him. And thats exactly why Reese isn't going any where


Reese deserves ALL of the bullets. He's put this franchise in THIS position with his TERRIBLE drafts and FA signings.

He's gone, just like Mac is. Two clowns, gone.
CLASSLESS ORGANIZATION  
PaulN : 11/28/2017 6:06 pm : link
Mara, Reese, and McAdoo. GO FUCK YOURSELVES. I am through until Reese and McAdoo are gone, until then I am a Jacksonville fan, fuck this piece of shit organization.
RE: I'm no fan of McAdoo  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/28/2017 6:07 pm : link
In comment 13709276 Vanzetti said:
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but if he thinks the QB is not making plays he should, then he is absolutely right to try something different

no one has a guaranteed job

that said, I expect the offense to be just as lousy under Geno.


The offense DEFINITELY is going to look as shitty with Geno. The question is will it look as shitty with Davis Webb whenever he plays? The answer to that will determine A LOT. It will determine the microscopic chance of McAdoo being head coach next season. It will determine just how strongly the Giants go for a QB in the draft. Those answers will then affect the question of who exactly is the HC next year?
RE: So much to unpack here  
Dodge : 11/28/2017 6:07 pm : link
In comment 13708532 Matt in SGS said:
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this is how I see the impact of this decision and it's a huge one that shouldn't be understated how this is a turning point in the Franchise history.

- First, I don't believe McAdoo ever really was a big fan of Eli. Last year, when he questioned some of Eli's decisions, and in the offseason when people were all over Flowers saying "he needs to learn to play without a clean pocket". Some thought this was a distraction thing and Eli can handle it. But we saw the part about the pitch counts in training camp. Also drafting Webb in the 3rd round. And a week or so ago when McAdoo commented that other QBs would get reps and then backed off. Part could be McAdoo blaming Eli's play for the offensive struggles, which in turn saves McAdoo's game planning. Either way, I don't think McAdoo was a big Eli fan.

- We all saw that Giants were going to look at a QB in the first round. They've leaked their interest so Darnold and Rosen have their antenna up to come out in the draft. So that was in motion. This move further cements that.

- I have to believe McAdoo didn't do this alone. As noted above, he's shown signs he's not an Eli guy. But they had to wait until officially eliminated so Mara can get on board. The whole offer to let Eli to start and keep the streak going was a feeble nod of respect to Eli but Eli rightly told them to shove it (in a classy way).

- I had written before that I thought the best case for the Giants was to replay 1993, ie when Simms started and Brown/Graham were on the bench to learn. I thought this would be a good plan for 2018. Let Eli start, and Webb/new first rounder watch. But the x factor here, was the salary cap. The Giants might well have realized to get a QB with a top 3 pick will cost too much to keep Eli and that QB around. So really, Geno is getting his chance to play the veteran QB to keep the seat warm for the new QB. Who saw that coming with Geno as a veteran hand to ready the kids.

- Get Webb on the field in meaningful downs. Don't bring him in down 20 in the 4th quarter. I can play QB against a defense playing prevent that stopped caring. If you are going to do this to Eli, at least get something out of it. Learning that Geno Smith is a caretaker makes this move a waste. Get Webb real experience and cut the crap.

- Eli has to be traded. This is it for Eli. The move has been made and its time to get value for him. If you can't support him in the cap with a new first round QB, you need to trade him and get something back. Teams will want him. Denver and Jax come to mind. Probably you will get a 2nd rounder for him, I'd hope. Think Donovan McNabb to Washington right now. But with this move, Eli is done as a NYG in my mind.

- And lastly, this is it for McAdoo. In my mind, Mara is settling all family business. McAdoo gets to be the bad guy here. But the organization has decided to move on from Eli. No one likes McAdoo anyway, so the "smartest guy in the room" becomes a useful idiot to ownership. The Giants franchise needs to move on from Eli. There is no graceful way to do it with his streak and all he's done. So let the guy who isn't popular do it anyway. And then you fire him after the season and start over from the ground up with a new coach, new QB, and likely a new GM. I think this move has Mara all over it because he's now realized it's time to start this entire thing over. Get the last month of the season to see Webb, say your good byes to Eli, maybe put him in the final Redskins game as a thank you and start everything over in 2018.


I like this post too. Especially the point of macadoo being the fall guy with Eli. Clean slate for a new coach without having to be the bad guy for cutting Eli.
RE: Only thing I can hope for here  
FStubbs : 11/28/2017 6:08 pm : link
In comment 13709192 djm said:
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Is Mara is simply giving mcadoo all the rope He needs to hang himself. Mcadoo's presser sounded terrifying with phrases like "evaluating for next season." This can't be happening. Right? No way. Please.


R** H*****y announced he was forming a strategy for the next season right before he was canned.

McAdoo is history. Then we can blot his name out too.
This just gets crazier and crazier.  
Powerclean765 : 11/28/2017 6:09 pm : link
Now we know why Mara looked so distraught in SF.

It wasn't just getting killed by the 49ers or knowing McAdoo was toast - Rightly or wrongly, it was perhaps an extremely anxious Mara realizing the enormity of being done with Eli.

For a couple of reasons, I do not think Reese is getting fired. Including his attendance at USC UCLA a week later.

He's never gotten to pick "his QB". I've always had the sneaking suspicion he wanted to run a modern spread offense. We may find out. (Jackson?)
RE: Mara just doesn't want to pay that bonus  
FStubbs : 11/28/2017 6:12 pm : link
In comment 13709265 Rflairr said:
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The same he didn't want to pay Whitworth. But Reese will go out there and take the bullets for him. And thats exactly why Reese isn't going any where


So you think Reese is the public face for Chris Mara who is the true GM?

If Reese is still our GM next year I agree that's the only explanation.
This is terrible.  
ATL_Giants : 11/28/2017 6:12 pm : link
Elias deserves better than this season.
Trying to find a bright side here... At least I won't be watching our captain go down with the ship.

We haven't seen the worst, there is some ugly football coming our way. At least Eli won't have to be in the middle of it.
RE: RE: So much to unpack here  
Vanzetti : 11/28/2017 6:14 pm : link
In comment 13709339 Dodge said:
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this is how I see the impact of this decision and it's a huge one that shouldn't be understated how this is a turning point in the Franchise history.

- First, I don't believe McAdoo ever really was a big fan of Eli. Last year, when he questioned some of Eli's decisions, and in the offseason when people were all over Flowers saying "he needs to learn to play without a clean pocket". Some thought this was a distraction thing and Eli can handle it. But we saw the part about the pitch counts in training camp. Also drafting Webb in the 3rd round. And a week or so ago when McAdoo commented that other QBs would get reps and then backed off. Part could be McAdoo blaming Eli's play for the offensive struggles, which in turn saves McAdoo's game planning. Either way, I don't think McAdoo was a big Eli fan.

- We all saw that Giants were going to look at a QB in the first round. They've leaked their interest so Darnold and Rosen have their antenna up to come out in the draft. So that was in motion. This move further cements that.

- I have to believe McAdoo didn't do this alone. As noted above, he's shown signs he's not an Eli guy. But they had to wait until officially eliminated so Mara can get on board. The whole offer to let Eli to start and keep the streak going was a feeble nod of respect to Eli but Eli rightly told them to shove it (in a classy way).

- I had written before that I thought the best case for the Giants was to replay 1993, ie when Simms started and Brown/Graham were on the bench to learn. I thought this would be a good plan for 2018. Let Eli start, and Webb/new first rounder watch. But the x factor here, was the salary cap. The Giants might well have realized to get a QB with a top 3 pick will cost too much to keep Eli and that QB around. So really, Geno is getting his chance to play the veteran QB to keep the seat warm for the new QB. Who saw that coming with Geno as a veteran hand to ready the kids.

- Get Webb on the field in meaningful downs. Don't bring him in down 20 in the 4th quarter. I can play QB against a defense playing prevent that stopped caring. If you are going to do this to Eli, at least get something out of it. Learning that Geno Smith is a caretaker makes this move a waste. Get Webb real experience and cut the crap.

- Eli has to be traded. This is it for Eli. The move has been made and its time to get value for him. If you can't support him in the cap with a new first round QB, you need to trade him and get something back. Teams will want him. Denver and Jax come to mind. Probably you will get a 2nd rounder for him, I'd hope. Think Donovan McNabb to Washington right now. But with this move, Eli is done as a NYG in my mind.

- And lastly, this is it for McAdoo. In my mind, Mara is settling all family business. McAdoo gets to be the bad guy here. But the organization has decided to move on from Eli. No one likes McAdoo anyway, so the "smartest guy in the room" becomes a useful idiot to ownership. The Giants franchise needs to move on from Eli. There is no graceful way to do it with his streak and all he's done. So let the guy who isn't popular do it anyway. And then you fire him after the season and start over from the ground up with a new coach, new QB, and likely a new GM. I think this move has Mara all over it because he's now realized it's time to start this entire thing over. Get the last month of the season to see Webb, say your good byes to Eli, maybe put him in the final Redskins game as a thank you and start everything over in 2018.



This might be the best post I have ever read on BBI. Great job by Matt.
Michael Kay  
map7711 : 11/28/2017 6:14 pm : link
Absolutely killing Ben and the Giants. Rightfully so. Bunch of idiots we have running the show.
Smart Thing to do.  
Thegratefulhead : 11/28/2017 6:14 pm : link
I will forever be an Eli Manning fan. Eli has not been playing well, is 36 years old and the team is 2-9 heading for a top 5 pick with possible franchise QBs available. The time to think about life after Eli is now and the organization needs information about the other QBs on the roster. Webb needs more practice to start, you might as well see what you have in Geno while getting Webb ready. This is solely about gathering extremely important information.

I don’t think they can trade Eli, no one will give them enough because of his salary. I think Eli goes into camp next year a Giant and wins the starting job. This is about giving Webb valuable practice and game experience and seeing if Geno has learned anything. If they see nothing in Webb, they draft a QB early, if they see something in Webb they could go RB or OL early in the first. I find this information more important than Eli’s streak and so does ownership.

Intelligent people gather as much information as possible when making important decisions. This is that. If Webb and Geno stink up the joint, that is valuable information. If the Giants lose their remaining games because of their inexperience, that is also relevant to our draft position. The only negative is that the classiest and best QB ever to wear Giant blue is going to feel slighted(fuck the streak). I wish we were not 2-9 but we and this is the best thing for the franchise to do.
RE: RE: RE: So much to unpack here  
ATL_Giants : 11/28/2017 6:15 pm : link
In comment 13709392 Vanzetti said:
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This might be the best post I have ever read on BBI. Great job by Matt.
+1
RE: This is terrible.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/28/2017 6:15 pm : link
In comment 13709374 ATL_Giants said:
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Elias deserves better than this season.
Trying to find a bright side here... At least I won't be watching our captain go down with the ship.

We haven't seen the worst, there is some ugly football coming our way. At least Eli won't have to be in the middle of it.


I think your head is in the sand if you don't realize ELI IS A PART OF THIS SEASON. Reese might be the most at fault... McAdoo too. But Eli is also a part of the reason this is a 2-9 clusterfuck.
RE: RE: Mara just doesn't want to pay that bonus  
Rflairr : 11/28/2017 6:20 pm : link
In comment 13709373 FStubbs said:
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In comment 13709265 Rflairr said:


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The same he didn't want to pay Whitworth. But Reese will go out there and take the bullets for him. And thats exactly why Reese isn't going any where



So you think Reese is the public face for Chris Mara who is the true GM?

If Reese is still our GM next year I agree that's the only explanation.


If Tisch would allow it. Chris Mara would be GM. We both know this.
Let"s Go Oakland  
PaulN : 11/28/2017 6:26 pm : link
I never wanted the Giants to lose a game before this game, and I want them to get blown out 50-0. Mara has no class at all, he is a gutless piece of shit, hiding behind two of the most incompetent people in the sport.

Ernie Acorsi and Eli Manning, Thank You for our Super Bowls, I never thought this piece of shit was any good and this proves it all. let me hear how classy the Giants are now, the most classless handling of a two time Super Bowl MVP in NFL history, that is what John Mara is now.
If Reese or McAdoo  
PaulN : 11/28/2017 6:28 pm : link
Are back I will never be a Giant fan again, ever.
Have we ever missed him more..  
ATL_Giants : 11/28/2017 6:33 pm : link
Since Eli became the starter in 2014, here's a list of  
EmpireWF : 11/28/2017 6:33 pm : link
QBs who have subbed in regular season games.

2004 - 1 appearance Kurt Warner
2007 - 2 appearances Jared Lorenz
2007 - 2 appearances Anthony Wright
2008 - 3 appearances David Carr
2009 - 6 appearances David Carr
2012 - 2 appearances David Carr
2013 - 3 appearances Curtis Painter
2014 - 2 appearances Ryan Nassib
2015 - 1 appearances Ryan Nassib
2017 - 1 appearances Geno Smith


Franchise has been incredibly fortunate.

*starter in 2004  
EmpireWF : 11/28/2017 6:33 pm : link
.
....  
yankees78 : 11/28/2017 6:34 pm : link
John Mara, Steve Tisch, Ben McAdoo and Jerry Reese can all go fuck themselves. I am shaking with rage. Fuck this clown show organization.
In 55 years I've never once rooted against the Giants...  
Vinny from Danbury : 11/28/2017 6:35 pm : link
But I'll be rooting against them, and especially that fucktard Ben McAdon't, this Sunday. Fuck Giants Management.
RE: Have we ever missed him more..  
Giants_ROK : 11/28/2017 6:36 pm : link
In comment 13709510 ATL_Giants said:
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Easy there. Wellington Mara pulled some good ones when he was in charge.
Wow, I'm shocked  
BigBlue in Keys : 11/28/2017 6:40 pm : link
and a bit more upset than I thought I'd be. Almost has the gut punch feeling of finding out you're being cheated on. I guess it shouldn't but it does. I'm sad for Eli. I can deal with bad losses or bad seasons, but this feels way worse. Very let down by the organization.

And for Geno Smith?!?! GTFOH! How does this inspire anyone else in that locker room to play hard? Well I'll be taking drunk tonight and toasting to this guy


RE: If Reese or McAdoo  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/28/2017 6:40 pm : link
In comment 13709475 PaulN said:
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Are back I will never be a Giant fan again, ever.


Reese isn't coming back no matter what. Webb would have to look like Joe Montana for McAdoo to come back. So basically no, he isn't coming back either. The difference is there's no Davis Webb behind those guys to evaluate by removing them now.
There’s 3 more Home Games,  
Simms11 : 11/28/2017 6:43 pm : link
If you call them that, because the stadium will be 60-70% opposing teams fans!
At least Eli was replaced by...  
M.S. : 11/28/2017 6:45 pm : link

...a legend.

But really, folks. Do you really give a shit about Eli's consecutive game streak?

Especially in a season like this in which the Giants are an abject doormat of the NFL.

And a doormat that's been tread on several times in the past several years.

We got bigger problems than Eli's streak coming to an end.

Really.
My guess is that McAdoo wants to find out if Webb can play,  
GeofromNJ : 11/28/2017 6:50 pm : link
but he can't start Webb because in doing so he's admitting that he's throwing the games away for an audition which may cause the rest of the team to give up playing hard. McAdoo has to hope that there will be opportunities to play Webb during the remainder of the season.

Of course, playing Smith presents a real problem if Smith stinks up the joint. Who, then, does McAdoo play? Does he play Webb to see what he can do? If so, he's saying that a rookie gives the Giants a better chance to win the game than does Eli, which is tough to accept. If he goes back to Eli, he's losing any attempt to learn what Webb can do. Interesting times ahead.
If they were going to do this  
Carson53 : 11/28/2017 6:50 pm : link
at least play Webb, we know who Geno is at this point.
I am actually surprised they did it, figured it would be
later in the season if they did it. I think this spells the
beginning of the end for Eli here. They know they have a top 3
pick on the horizon.
RE: RE: RE: RE: So much to unpack here  
DieHard : 11/28/2017 6:50 pm : link
In comment 13709402 ATL_Giants said:
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In comment 13709392 Vanzetti said:


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This might be the best post I have ever read on BBI. Great job by Matt.

+1


Not a bad read, but to address the point about $: the way rookie contracts are structured now, you can totally have both a first round QB and Eli on the roster for a year. Not saying they'll do that, but I don't think economics will have anything to do with it.
Eli hasn't played well, but  
CT Charlie : 11/28/2017 6:51 pm : link
he deserves to start and to play until the game seems out of reach. I think they're starting Geno even though they'd actually rather see Webb. They just don't want to make the transition look too abrupt.
What a disgrace  
TommyWiseau : 11/28/2017 6:52 pm : link
Fuck Mara, fuck Macadoo and fuck Reese. Wellington is rolling in his grave as we speak
Reese and McAdoo  
Gman11 : 11/28/2017 6:52 pm : link
can go to hell. I'm through with this team until they are gone.
Im  
capegman : 11/28/2017 6:57 pm : link
done with this season. All I wish for now is Mac gets fired and Reese too.
I feel sick thinking about Eli not starting behind Geno Smith. This organization has turned into a disgrace to me this season. Sad.
How in the hell  
St. Jimmy : 11/28/2017 6:59 pm : link
did ownership sign off on this? Mara should know better.
Include me with the minority who are saying...  
Milton : 11/28/2017 6:59 pm : link
If the goal is to finish with a top two or three draft pick and Webb isn't far enough along in his development to be put behind center, starting Geno Smith is the surest way to finish the season 2-14. Eli is still capable of steering the team to victory on any given Sunday and maybe that's a risk that management didn't want to take. It's not a decision I would've made, but if you strip away the personal/emotional side of it, this is the best thing for the future of the Giants.

RE: What a disgrace  
Giants_ROK : 11/28/2017 7:00 pm : link
In comment 13709624 TommyWiseau said:
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Fuck Mara, fuck Macadoo and fuck Reese. Wellington is rolling in his grave as we speak

Doubt it. He was around when they cut Phil Simms, remember?
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