great post - really great points and I imagine you are right across the board.
if Mc actually said that about Geno giving them a better chance to win, then WOW - he really is all in on the anti-Eli brigade. it is ont thing to tow the line about seeing for the future, but if he is saying he wants to win now and Eli is holding the team back, then that is a bold statement that will likely seal his death warrant.
Like I said, McAdoo is a useful idiot. I can imagine Reese's "smartest guy in the room" comment to be made almost snidely at this point. Ray Handley was "a computer on the staff" of Parcells too. I think the Giants are going to get rid of everyone, this is the start of, unfortunately, what had to happen here. Mara is getting ready to start it all over.
no, McAdoo is a pussy. Francesa said it perfectly: "he's afraid to call out Beckham, but he'll call out Eli because he knows Eli has too much class to bite back pulicly"
They all suck. Reese, McAdoo and all involved, Mara/Tisch for enabling it. Reese should have been shitcanned after 2015.
As for the streak, though, Eli just passed his brother a couple weeks ago and holds the #2 slot alone. He wasn't ever going to eclipse Favre. So there's that...
1. Favre 297
2. Eli 210
3. Peyton 208
Yeah, but Rivers isn't far behind Eli, so he will most likely pass him and push Eli to 3rd.
Phillip Rivera blew out a knee ages ago. His streak ended at 96 games
Pretty pissed that he's getting benched for a never-will-be like Geno Smith. You want to throw the Webb kid in the deep end and see if he can swim? Fine by me, let's see if he can show us something before they spend a top 5 pick on a QB. What the hell is the point of Geno Smith, though?
I agree. Let's remember they are officially eliminated from the playoffs. Let's see what Webb can do.
if you follow the logic of my post and the Giants are going to trade Eli you want to get him out of there before he gets hurt. Half the team is on IR, at least keep an asset in place that is already devalued. Like I said, Mara looks to be settling all family business and this is the start.
So you're paying the bonus in January....let talking trade?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: so high up does this go? Â
This isn't a normal organization. Its family run. And nothing around is done without John Mara being involved in it. You notice, McAdoo didn't just say he talked to Reese. He said he talked to ownership as well.
And does anyone on here really believe that if Reese said he didn't want McAdoo as coach it would have mattered? Get real
I do.. I don't know what kind of a shitty organization you work for where hiring manager's view point is not accounted for.. but if all key desicions are made by the owners.. than why have JR.. why give JR any credit for anything good that has happened..
you do know accorsi wanted nothing to do with coughlin and maras basically to bad we are hiring him
Even is thats true (no one has ever admitted it.. in fact they have admitted to the opposite).. they did listen to Accorsi and simply decided against it.. On the other hand I have never heard or seen anyone claim that JR didn't want BM.. But the JR fan club always makes bullshit assumptions that would support his side..
Why start Smith? He's not the potential future of this franchise.
Also, this clearly has the blessing of ownership...so why the fuck is everyone going ballistic on Jerry or Mcadoo? Give it to ownership as well.
i think Webb just hasn't had any practice reps yet. As a 3rd stringer all year Eli/Geno have taken all the reps. So I'm sure they don't want to just throw Webb out there to drown on the road in Oakland.
Also if Webb was replacing Eli you know how much pressure that would be? Let Geno take the brunt and then have Webb slide in for Geno after the storm clears.
Giants have been a disaster but this move kinda makes some kind of sense. They need to get a look at the other QB's.
Fuck this pair of clown shoes we have for a coach Â
if you follow the logic of my post and the Giants are going to trade Eli you want to get him out of there before he gets hurt. Half the team is on IR, at least keep an asset in place that is already devalued. Like I said, Mara looks to be settling all family business and this is the start.
So you're paying the bonus in January....let talking trade?
McAdoo might not get fired. If you knew you were going to fire him, would you let him bench Eli?
On the other hand, if you thought Eli was done or near done - might not be bad idea to let the dead-coach-walking take the hit.
That was Matt's point - they're going to pin this on McAdoo, who will be fired the minute the season ends, so as to let him take the brunt of the anger for this.
Very simple. Eli is not now nor has he ever been a dink and dunk robot. He is the absolute worst choice to run McAdouche's idiotic offense and has been from the beginning. That is why McAdoo will never get another HC job. He could not design a system that would fit the talent available to him. He blames Eli for the failure of his moronic offense and did so with the blessings of the owners.
A shitshow all the way around. The way the Giants treated Simms was shameful. This is pathetic. Eli is the fall guy for all.
great post - really great points and I imagine you are right across the board.
if Mc actually said that about Geno giving them a better chance to win, then WOW - he really is all in on the anti-Eli brigade. it is ont thing to tow the line about seeing for the future, but if he is saying he wants to win now and Eli is holding the team back, then that is a bold statement that will likely seal his death warrant.
Like I said, McAdoo is a useful idiot. I can imagine Reese's "smartest guy in the room" comment to be made almost snidely at this point. Ray Handley was "a computer on the staff" of Parcells too. I think the Giants are going to get rid of everyone, this is the start of, unfortunately, what had to happen here. Mara is getting ready to start it all over.
no, McAdoo is a pussy. Francesa said it perfectly: "he's afraid to call out Beckham, but he'll call out Eli because he knows Eli has too much class to bite back pulicly"
They all suck. Reese, McAdoo and all involved, Mara/Tisch for enabling it. Reese should have been shitcanned after 2015.
Francesa is partly right. McAdoo is a pussy, however, as I noted, Mara is pulling the strings here. There is no way McAdoo can make this move without ownership approval. Period. McAdoo is a ready made fall guy for Mara. Like I said, a useful idiot. But Mara has now come to terms that Eli is done and it's time to move on. The NFL is a tough business and there is no easy way to say goodbye to a legend, but it has to happen sometime. Now is the time.
fuck McAdoo. I defended him for a while but if this was his call than I'd fire him right now. There has to be something else going on behind closed doors.
it was bound to happen. We all have different opinions on Eli's play and how much is on him, but one thing is clear.....Ben MacAdoo does not think Eli has been playing well and he thinks Eli is a reason we are so bad. He's basically said that since the preseason. He's probably been lobbying for this all season long and now that they are out of the playoff picture, he was able to convince the FO that it was time.
and now Eli seeming about to follow the same treatment, I think this franchise will be cursed for 50 years. This is our No No Nanette or Billy the Goat bright line events.
they need to see what they have at QB and whether Webb is worth spending that pick on OL, RB or defense instead of QB. What's surprising is that they went ahead and made the decision with a month to go. It certainly means Eli Manning does not play another game as a Giant. Whether he wants to play in 2018, he most definitely can find a team to give him a 1-2 year deal (Jacksonville for example).
I seem to remember everyone thought it was time. And, they offered him a FO job and hang around the facility for weeks. Few HCs get let go that softly.
but this news still shocks me. I am very surprised Mara is allowing this.
I do not see any possibility of Manning being a member of the 2018 Giants now. They will probably ask him to accept a trade, but I think he might just retire.
Eli is going to have a good chance to win another Â
this had to happen. Just sucks that is is Macadouche making the call. thank you Eli for a great run, 2 historic super bowls and i hope it takes you to the HOF.. now it is time to clean house and bring in some fresh blood.
Eli declined to start?? what does that mean... it must have been presented to him in a way where the only classy response was to decline.
and why Geno and not Webb? do the coaches think geno is going to save their jobs? if they are throwing in the towel for 2017, then let Webb get some reps.
this makes no sense as currently laid out.
He would not go out there for one series and then get pulled just for the streak. That would be beneath him and you can't help but admire Eli even more for declining that
I seem to remember everyone thought it was time. And, they offered him a FO job and hang around the facility for weeks. Few HCs get let go that softly.
Any Coach with any pride would refuse that offer. It's an insult to someone of Coughlin's stature
A mixture of shock, sadness and excitement? I’m shocked they did it. Sad to see the Eli era probably come to an end (at least the streak does, and everything else is soon to follow) but at the same time I’ve been ready to move on. Geno isn’t going to be the guy and Webb may not be either but I’m intrigued just to get on with the process of building this thing back up.
No one wants to hear this given the pounding Mcadoo is taking on this thread but there is also the possibility that he is right, and that Eli is indeed a big issue right now. Not that Geno figures to fare much better but still.
"I am very emotional about this Eli SHIT.. The guy who gave you EVERYTHING for better or worse NEVER missing a game and THIS how it ends?? Not #10! He deserves better, He gave is all when BETTER wasn't there for him.. and this is how it ends?? I hurt for him" - Carl Banks
A guess. I'm guessing they don't want to have Webb run a full game at this point. Be it how many live snaps he's had (as 3rd on the depth chart) or the state of the OL.
If you take Eli's quote at face value, he had the option to continue to start knowing the situation but declined, then Geno is the only remaining option.
McAdoo says they'll see what Geno has because he's not going to say "we need a body to fill the snaps while we work Webb in."
If you take Eli's comments as being classy alone (and not really having the option), then it's just stupid.
but I'm not exactly upset about this. It should help them to lock down a top 5 pick in the draft is Eli is done for the rest of the season. The only upsetting thing to me is "getting a look" at Geno. We know what he is and it's not very good. If you need to get a look at someone, it should be Webb. He's the one that needs to play. If he sucks, fine. If he looks good then maybe they don't have to go after Rosen/Darnold. Hell, it could potentially even boost any trade value he has if they do want to go after a QB high in the draft.
The Giants believe Webb is not ready based on practice performance... Geno Fucking Smith is going to QB the Giants this week .... OHHHHHHHHHHHHH FUDGE .....
RE: Eli is going to have a good chance to win another Â
Quote:
great post - really great points and I imagine you are right across the board.
if Mc actually said that about Geno giving them a better chance to win, then WOW - he really is all in on the anti-Eli brigade. it is ont thing to tow the line about seeing for the future, but if he is saying he wants to win now and Eli is holding the team back, then that is a bold statement that will likely seal his death warrant.
Like I said, McAdoo is a useful idiot. I can imagine Reese's "smartest guy in the room" comment to be made almost snidely at this point. Ray Handley was "a computer on the staff" of Parcells too. I think the Giants are going to get rid of everyone, this is the start of, unfortunately, what had to happen here. Mara is getting ready to start it all over.
no, McAdoo is a pussy. Francesa said it perfectly: "he's afraid to call out Beckham, but he'll call out Eli because he knows Eli has too much class to bite back pulicly"
They all suck. Reese, McAdoo and all involved, Mara/Tisch for enabling it. Reese should have been shitcanned after 2015.
On the other hand, if you thought Eli was done or near done - might not be bad idea to let the dead-coach-walking take the hit.
Quote:
I just don't get it.
As for the streak, though, Eli just passed his brother a couple weeks ago and holds the #2 slot alone. He wasn't ever going to eclipse Favre. So there's that...
1. Favre 297
2. Eli 210
3. Peyton 208
Yeah, but Rivers isn't far behind Eli, so he will most likely pass him and push Eli to 3rd.
Phillip Rivera blew out a knee ages ago. His streak ended at 96 games
I agree. Let's remember they are officially eliminated from the playoffs. Let's see what Webb can do.
So you're paying the bonus in January....let talking trade?
Quote:
In comment 13708505 Rflairr said:
Quote:
This isn't a normal organization. Its family run. And nothing around is done without John Mara being involved in it. You notice, McAdoo didn't just say he talked to Reese. He said he talked to ownership as well.
And does anyone on here really believe that if Reese said he didn't want McAdoo as coach it would have mattered? Get real
I do.. I don't know what kind of a shitty organization you work for where hiring manager's view point is not accounted for.. but if all key desicions are made by the owners.. than why have JR.. why give JR any credit for anything good that has happened..
you do know accorsi wanted nothing to do with coughlin and maras basically to bad we are hiring him
Even is thats true (no one has ever admitted it.. in fact they have admitted to the opposite).. they did listen to Accorsi and simply decided against it.. On the other hand I have never heard or seen anyone claim that JR didn't want BM.. But the JR fan club always makes bullshit assumptions that would support his side..
On the other hand, if you thought Eli was done or near done - might not be bad idea to let the dead-coach-walking take the hit.
This is good for McAdoo...if Geno wins a few games..he looks smart which helps him after the Giants shitcan his ass in 5 weeks.
Also, this clearly has the blessing of ownership...so why the fuck is everyone going ballistic on Jerry or Mcadoo? Give it to ownership as well.
i think Webb just hasn't had any practice reps yet. As a 3rd stringer all year Eli/Geno have taken all the reps. So I'm sure they don't want to just throw Webb out there to drown on the road in Oakland.
Also if Webb was replacing Eli you know how much pressure that would be? Let Geno take the brunt and then have Webb slide in for Geno after the storm clears.
Giants have been a disaster but this move kinda makes some kind of sense. They need to get a look at the other QB's.
I’m through with this organization for the season. A couple of lame ducks doing this to the great QB we’ve ever had
The fact is the second half of last week games - our offense had 0 FIRST DOWNS in the second half until Garbage Time
Eli stats passing 13-27, 113 YDS, 1 INT
there are many problems with offense but Eli as QB has to take SOME responsibility for the offenses ineptitude
Mcadoo gave Eli a choice to keep on starting but let him know they would look at Webb during the game and ELI REFUSED
what else is Mcadoo suppose to do ?
Quote:
if you follow the logic of my post and the Giants are going to trade Eli you want to get him out of there before he gets hurt. Half the team is on IR, at least keep an asset in place that is already devalued. Like I said, Mara looks to be settling all family business and this is the start.
So you're paying the bonus in January....let talking trade?
Yes, it's sunk cost.
On the other hand, if you thought Eli was done or near done - might not be bad idea to let the dead-coach-walking take the hit.
This. I’m telling you, this organization is so backwards with their thinking, I’m not sure they will make any coaching/management moves.
On the other hand, if you thought Eli was done or near done - might not be bad idea to let the dead-coach-walking take the hit.
That was Matt's point - they're going to pin this on McAdoo, who will be fired the minute the season ends, so as to let him take the brunt of the anger for this.
+1000
A shitshow all the way around. The way the Giants treated Simms was shameful. This is pathetic. Eli is the fall guy for all.
Quote:
In comment 13708610 LG in NYC said:
Quote:
great post - really great points and I imagine you are right across the board.
if Mc actually said that about Geno giving them a better chance to win, then WOW - he really is all in on the anti-Eli brigade. it is ont thing to tow the line about seeing for the future, but if he is saying he wants to win now and Eli is holding the team back, then that is a bold statement that will likely seal his death warrant.
Like I said, McAdoo is a useful idiot. I can imagine Reese's "smartest guy in the room" comment to be made almost snidely at this point. Ray Handley was "a computer on the staff" of Parcells too. I think the Giants are going to get rid of everyone, this is the start of, unfortunately, what had to happen here. Mara is getting ready to start it all over.
no, McAdoo is a pussy. Francesa said it perfectly: "he's afraid to call out Beckham, but he'll call out Eli because he knows Eli has too much class to bite back pulicly"
They all suck. Reese, McAdoo and all involved, Mara/Tisch for enabling it. Reese should have been shitcanned after 2015.
Francesa is partly right. McAdoo is a pussy, however, as I noted, Mara is pulling the strings here. There is no way McAdoo can make this move without ownership approval. Period. McAdoo is a ready made fall guy for Mara. Like I said, a useful idiot. But Mara has now come to terms that Eli is done and it's time to move on. The NFL is a tough business and there is no easy way to say goodbye to a legend, but it has to happen sometime. Now is the time.
FREE ELI!!!
Eli declining he BS offer is great, however.
To be fair, I'd hope it would be 51-2. I'd expect Smith and Webb to at least vote for themselves.
I sports hate McAdoo and Reese. To scapegoat Eli like this is a fucking travesty.
I may not root for the Giants the same ever again.
I do not see any possibility of Manning being a member of the 2018 Giants now. They will probably ask him to accept a trade, but I think he might just retire.
and why Geno and not Webb? do the coaches think geno is going to save their jobs? if they are throwing in the towel for 2017, then let Webb get some reps.
this makes no sense as currently laid out.
He would not go out there for one series and then get pulled just for the streak. That would be beneath him and you can't help but admire Eli even more for declining that
I sports hate McAdoo and Reese. To scapegoat Eli like this is a fucking travesty.
I may not root for the Giants the same ever again.
It's not scapegoating Eli. This has nothing to do with Eli.
Any Coach with any pride would refuse that offer. It's an insult to someone of Coughlin's stature
No one wants to hear this given the pounding Mcadoo is taking on this thread but there is also the possibility that he is right, and that Eli is indeed a big issue right now. Not that Geno figures to fare much better but still.
If you take Eli's quote at face value, he had the option to continue to start knowing the situation but declined, then Geno is the only remaining option.
McAdoo says they'll see what Geno has because he's not going to say "we need a body to fill the snaps while we work Webb in."
If you take Eli's comments as being classy alone (and not really having the option), then it's just stupid.
Who gives a flying fuck?
Playing him is pointless.
Play the rookie.
Quote:
.
Not to be a dick but get over it. Eli will.
I didn't want this either but benching Eli won't hurt this franchise one bit. We haven't reached the point of no return.
Fans are going ape shit. Whatever.
I'd like to retract the get over it part. I hate mcadoo.