If we accept that McAdoo thinks Eli is done or not best fit for his offense (more likely scenario). Then it's his call, like it or not.
But, if that's true then they won't bench him and expect him to stay there. There's definitely a trade afoot. Personally, I think Eli would be in a much more favorable position in Jax.
Jax Coach seems to have a handle on things. They have a great running game and defense. Offense is much better suited to Eli's skill set. TC and Eli get along great - last time Eli looked this sad was when TC got fired.
This moment might not be Eli's happiest but could be storm before the rainbow.
Giants can get some decent picks and move on. You might see Reese gone and different personnel decisions being made - someone more on same page with McAdoo.
Pretty pissed that he's getting benched for a never-will-be like Geno Smith. You want to throw the Webb kid in the deep end and see if he can swim? Fine by me, let's see if he can show us something before they spend a top 5 pick on a QB. What the hell is the point of Geno Smith, though?
I agree. Let's remember they are officially eliminated from the playoffs. Let's see what Webb can do.
This is the Giants honoring their depth chart. As if that is worth anything. Just dumb.
he was a pro about it but he sure looked miserable. Really feel for the guy - every career ends, and rarely on a high note, but this was really a gut punch they gave him.
There is a reason not to play Webb in this game. Do you want the same shitshow which happened to the Buffalo QB two weeks ago when he threw 5 picks? Webb is considered very green coming out. You don't put him on the road in the Black Hole in his first game. He hasn't been in an NFL game when he wasn't in street clothes since the pre-season. The first move was to finally rip off the bandaid and say that Eli Manning is no longer the QB of the NY Giants. That's happened. Next is you throw Geno out there to earn his money and do the best he can in what will almost certainly be a loss, but at the end of the day, all you are asking Geno to do is not get hurt. Let Webb get his reps in practice. Dress for this game and be ready to go in if Geno gets hurt. Maybe get a series or two. And build from there where he gets more time against Dallas and increment from there where maybe he starts the Eagles game and we see him in for Philly, Arizona, and Washington. But I don't throw him out there to the Raiders where his confidence could get shattered off the bat. Baby steps.
I wonder if Eli will dress? I dare you McAdoo, you fat fuck, to put a healthy Eli Manning on the inactive list!
He might be active this week, but once they're ready to have Webb see gametime, of course Eli will be inactive. You don't waste a roster spot. (Comments about how many roster spots we're already wasting aside).
Because no one would be upset if you benched him to see what you have in Webb. But benching him for Geno is very mean spirited. And embarrassing to Eli. It’s a bitch move by Benjamin
And screw Jerry and Mara for letting this happen. Fuck them all. Period. This team fucking sucks all around. I know he will never do this b/c he is the upmost pro, but when Geno stinks up the joint and Ben wants to put Eli in, Eli should just give punch him right in the face.
Eli deserved so much better than this. So much better than the last 6 years. I'm sure not everyone would agree with me, but this organization failed him. Look at the Saints and how they have protected their 38 year old QB with a good running game and OL.
I hope this is not the end. I hope this is just a break so Eli can play in 2018. But to quote a famous person, I've got a bad feeling about this.
and I personally never wanted this guy and hope he loses his job before he gets in the car after the last game of the season.
However, there is a good chance that this decision was made for him. Potentially a smart PR move by John Mara to put this all on McAdoo since he is getting canned anyway.
I have never been more disgusted being a Giants fan and that is saying something surviving the Handley era. The thing that bothers me the most is I could always hang my hat on this is a class organization...well that ship has sailed. John Mara you have learned nothing from your father. I am not stupid enough to believe this comes only from MacAdoo you have a slimey hand in it and are not even man enough to be around when the trigger is pullled. Ughhh so damn disgusted.
in a dump of a season, and so many negative situations going on, why not just sit Eli the rest of the season, and start Smith w/ Webb backup then reverse that the last 2 games to make a true evaluation?
Its not likely they would win any of the last 5 anyway, and, if they still wanted the best chance to win, THIS move was unnecessary in the first place.
Another 1/2 ass 1/2 step to address a 2 step problem.
The winner in this: Jack DelRio!
They saved his job if the final score is by 28+
This is a massive and intriguing decision as an organization Â
You have a sour year where their offense has struggled as a complete unit (no run game, talented receivers wiped out by injuries, poor offensive line, best player has been a rookie tight end). Eli as perhaps the best QB in franchise history at the tail end of his career.
Head coach is most certainly being fired at end of the season. GM Jerry Reese who has won two Super Bowls, his future is in doubt.
At end of November, team announces they're benching Eli. Who conceived the idea (ownership? Reese? if head coach did, how could he sell it to the other two?).
Eli's relationship with the franchise may have been thrown in the trash over this which is the inexcusable part. Geno Smith and Davis Webb do not give them better chances to win these final games. If Reese says that, it's a boldfaced lie.
He's woefully unimaginative and unprepared to be a HC in the NFL.
That being said, I continue to be amazed by how many here care about a given player's individual accomplishment despite the team sucking with him at the helm.
The streak is meaningless. This move take a the streak talk off the table when the organization inevitablely move to another QB. The streak would have prevented that. It's time.
Find out what they have there. Showcase him in case they draft a QB in April.
The Gino Smith stuff is bullshit. He'll never be worth a draft pick.
If I were Eli, I'd have taken the deal and said "I'll play a half, or 3 quarters, then you can let Webb finish."
That's not Eli -- and I respect his POV, without necessarily agreeing with it.
That said, McAdoo is now DONE in NY (and I mean the STATE, not just the team). Whether he's fired or not, he's gonna top Ray Handley as the most hated coach in Giants history.
Does Mara tell McAdoo to get Eli out of the games to keep him out of harm's way in a lost season? Otherwise I am not sure what the impetus is. Mara had to have approved this happening.
There is no possibility that anyone who has watched Geno play over his career believes he gives the Giants a better chance to win any remaining game on the schedule, and I think everyone knows what he is and what he isn't based on a pretty substantial resume in the NFL.
It seems to me it is a clear indication that he is firing McAdoo. It sends the message that wins and losses for the rest of the year are not going to change the evaluation.
Geno Fucking Smith is going to QB the Giants this week .... OHHHHHHHHHHHHH FUDGE .....
Worse than than that, the best QB on the team will be healthy, and being paid millions to carry a clipboard. Fucking pathetic...
I wonder if Eli will dress? I dare you McAdoo, you fat fuck, to put a healthy Eli Manning on the inactive list!
Well....the excuse the Giants Media has given for why Webb was inactive was that there were not enough roster spots available due to all the injuries to activate/dress 3 quarterbacks.
If Webb is going to play some in these last few weeks, that means one of the QB's will have to be inactive. Since they want apparently Geno to start these games, the process of elimination leads you to only one conclusion.
I can't believe this how it is ending.
I LOVE Eli, but isn't this is what people wanted? Â
This is a clear acknowledgment that the ground is about to be torn up underneath this franchise. There's no way Jerry Reese is back. There's a .0000005% chance McAdoo is back. It's ugly and it's not Strahan going out on top, but it's the clearest possible acknowledgment that none of this is working.
McAdoo is at best, a stooge, and he's getting canned anyway never to be heard from again. I would not put much stock in his statement that this gives us a better chance to win. Jerry is gone too.
I don't think it necessarily means the end of Eli because he's owed a lot of money, no other team is going to pay shit to take care of the Giants' problems and assume their liabilities, and whatever young guy they pick up will need a mentor. Teams aren't paying anything for a guy they think might get cut.
And this is John Mara's team and he is calling the shots. Good luck with that. Really worked well with his Daddy.
I wonder if Eli will dress? I dare you McAdoo, you fat fuck, to put a healthy Eli Manning on the inactive list!
He might be active this week, but once they're ready to have Webb see gametime, of course Eli will be inactive. You don't waste a roster spot. (Comments about how many roster spots we're already wasting aside).
You wouldn't need to waste a roster spot to start Webb and keep Eli #2. You'd just deactivate Geno.
will now be put in a frame...
Shameful act of cowardice by this org.
Haven't been watching much football, now I just may tank on this team just as they tanked on their leader.
Shame the way they let Simms go, now an even worse disaster.
There is absolutely no question that Mara was at least notified of this before it was made public (and likely before it was discussed with any players), IMO. This isn't just any ordinary lineup decision; this is something that affects PR, marketing, sales, etc. That definitely rolls all the way up the ladder before the decision is final.
It doesn't necessarily mean that Mara endorsed it or agreed with it, but at a minimum that he recognizes that a dumpster fire is a dumpster fire no matter how hot the flames get.
He's played enough and he's been with NYG long enough. They should have been getting him ready for weeks. If there was a QB change, the only guy to play is a rookie.
I don't care about a Buffalo QB throwing a lot of picks. Has nothing to do with Webb.
RE: I don't understand all the surprise regarding Geno Â
being given the ball. He's been #2 on the depth chart since the start of the season.
I can totally understand the shock regarding Eli, but not Geno. Webb will get his shot and some playing time.
Agreed.
It is often the same at the start of spring training. Giants tend to start the lineup with incumbents from the previous season and then work the possible replacements in slowly.
He's played enough and he's been with NYG long enough. They should have been getting him ready for weeks. If there was a QB change, the only guy to play is a rookie.
I don't care about a Buffalo QB throwing a lot of picks. Has nothing to do with Webb.
This.
This move has nothing to do with seeing what the Giants have for the future. This is all about hoping that Geno puts together a few wins so McAdoo and Reese can save their jobs by pretending that the asinine coaching and terrible personnel decisions are somehow Eli's fault.
McAdoo saying this is the team's best chance to win. That is bullshit.
Reese is saying this is something this is the best thing for the organization right now, which is not at all the same thing as saying it's the team's best chance to win. You can argue that it really is the best thing for the organization, as many have above. But let's be honest -- they're basically tanking the season and starting to look at next year.
I don't think McAdoo is fooling anybody, including the players, and he's going to pay a price in the locker room.
Chance. And they will tell you to a man that they are not tanking the season. If playing for the future - then starting Eli and putting Webb in or starting Webb makes sense to see if he’s got anything. Fine. If he’s not ready then start Eli.
In no freaking screwed up thinking is starting Geno the answer. No way. This just shows that they have no clue what they are doing and they are lost. Fire everyone in management. Everyone.
Is Mara is simply giving mcadoo all the rope He needs to hang himself. Mcadoo's presser sounded terrifying with phrases like "evaluating for next season." This can't be happening. Right? No way. Please.
Worse than than that, the best QB on the team will be healthy, and being paid millions to carry a clipboard. Fucking pathetic...
If we accept that McAdoo thinks Eli is done or not best fit for his offense (more likely scenario). Then it's his call, like it or not.
But, if that's true then they won't bench him and expect him to stay there. There's definitely a trade afoot. Personally, I think Eli would be in a much more favorable position in Jax.
Jax Coach seems to have a handle on things. They have a great running game and defense. Offense is much better suited to Eli's skill set. TC and Eli get along great - last time Eli looked this sad was when TC got fired.
This moment might not be Eli's happiest but could be storm before the rainbow.
Giants can get some decent picks and move on. You might see Reese gone and different personnel decisions being made - someone more on same page with McAdoo.
Fire McAdon't
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Pretty pissed that he's getting benched for a never-will-be like Geno Smith. You want to throw the Webb kid in the deep end and see if he can swim? Fine by me, let's see if he can show us something before they spend a top 5 pick on a QB. What the hell is the point of Geno Smith, though?
I agree. Let's remember they are officially eliminated from the playoffs. Let's see what Webb can do.
This is the Giants honoring their depth chart. As if that is worth anything. Just dumb.
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Geno Fucking Smith is going to QB the Giants this week .... OHHHHHHHHHHHHH FUDGE .....
Worse than than that, the best QB on the team will be healthy, and being paid millions to carry a clipboard. Fucking pathetic...
I wonder if Eli will dress? I dare you McAdoo, you fat fuck, to put a healthy Eli Manning on the inactive list!
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Geno Fucking Smith is going to QB the Giants this week .... OHHHHHHHHHHHHH FUDGE .....
Worse than than that, the best QB on the team will be healthy, and being paid millions to carry a clipboard. Fucking pathetic...
I wonder if Eli will dress? I dare you McAdoo, you fat fuck, to put a healthy Eli Manning on the inactive list!
Why would he activate Eli if there's basically zero chance he's going to play?
A literal hail mary is probably more likely to help him out.
Playing him is pointless.
Play the rookie.
There is a reason not to play Webb in this game. Do you want the same shitshow which happened to the Buffalo QB two weeks ago when he threw 5 picks? Webb is considered very green coming out. You don't put him on the road in the Black Hole in his first game. He hasn't been in an NFL game when he wasn't in street clothes since the pre-season. The first move was to finally rip off the bandaid and say that Eli Manning is no longer the QB of the NY Giants. That's happened. Next is you throw Geno out there to earn his money and do the best he can in what will almost certainly be a loss, but at the end of the day, all you are asking Geno to do is not get hurt. Let Webb get his reps in practice. Dress for this game and be ready to go in if Geno gets hurt. Maybe get a series or two. And build from there where he gets more time against Dallas and increment from there where maybe he starts the Eagles game and we see him in for Philly, Arizona, and Washington. But I don't throw him out there to the Raiders where his confidence could get shattered off the bat. Baby steps.
Good bye Benny
Good bye Benny
We hate to see you go
He might be active this week, but once they're ready to have Webb see gametime, of course Eli will be inactive. You don't waste a roster spot. (Comments about how many roster spots we're already wasting aside).
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Yup bot him and Reese. They hope they luck out a couple of wins with Geno so they can pin this season on Eli. Even more reason to despise them both
I hope this is not the end. I hope this is just a break so Eli can play in 2018. But to quote a famous person, I've got a bad feeling about this.
However, there is a good chance that this decision was made for him. Potentially a smart PR move by John Mara to put this all on McAdoo since he is getting canned anyway.
Its not likely they would win any of the last 5 anyway, and, if they still wanted the best chance to win, THIS move was unnecessary in the first place.
Another 1/2 ass 1/2 step to address a 2 step problem.
The winner in this: Jack DelRio!
They saved his job if the final score is by 28+
Head coach is most certainly being fired at end of the season. GM Jerry Reese who has won two Super Bowls, his future is in doubt.
At end of November, team announces they're benching Eli. Who conceived the idea (ownership? Reese? if head coach did, how could he sell it to the other two?).
Eli's relationship with the franchise may have been thrown in the trash over this which is the inexcusable part. Geno Smith and Davis Webb do not give them better chances to win these final games. If Reese says that, it's a boldfaced lie.
That being said, I continue to be amazed by how many here care about a given player's individual accomplishment despite the team sucking with him at the helm.
The streak is meaningless. This move take a the streak talk off the table when the organization inevitablely move to another QB. The streak would have prevented that. It's time.
First I welcomed my second son into this world this morning.
The second being the day Eli was benched.
This has been a doozy of a day.
T-bone Mazel Tov
Are you going to make him Eli?
The Gino Smith stuff is bullshit. He'll never be worth a draft pick.
If I were Eli, I'd have taken the deal and said "I'll play a half, or 3 quarters, then you can let Webb finish."
That's not Eli -- and I respect his POV, without necessarily agreeing with it.
That said, McAdoo is now DONE in NY (and I mean the STATE, not just the team). Whether he's fired or not, he's gonna top Ray Handley as the most hated coach in Giants history.
There is no possibility that anyone who has watched Geno play over his career believes he gives the Giants a better chance to win any remaining game on the schedule, and I think everyone knows what he is and what he isn't based on a pretty substantial resume in the NFL.
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Geno Fucking Smith is going to QB the Giants this week .... OHHHHHHHHHHHHH FUDGE .....
Worse than than that, the best QB on the team will be healthy, and being paid millions to carry a clipboard. Fucking pathetic...
I wonder if Eli will dress? I dare you McAdoo, you fat fuck, to put a healthy Eli Manning on the inactive list!
Well....the excuse the Giants Media has given for why Webb was inactive was that there were not enough roster spots available due to all the injuries to activate/dress 3 quarterbacks.
If Webb is going to play some in these last few weeks, that means one of the QB's will have to be inactive. Since they want apparently Geno to start these games, the process of elimination leads you to only one conclusion.
I can't believe this how it is ending.
I don't think it necessarily means the end of Eli because he's owed a lot of money, no other team is going to pay shit to take care of the Giants' problems and assume their liabilities, and whatever young guy they pick up will need a mentor. Teams aren't paying anything for a guy they think might get cut.
And this is John Mara's team and he is calling the shots. Good luck with that. Really worked well with his Daddy.
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I wonder if Eli will dress? I dare you McAdoo, you fat fuck, to put a healthy Eli Manning on the inactive list!
He might be active this week, but once they're ready to have Webb see gametime, of course Eli will be inactive. You don't waste a roster spot. (Comments about how many roster spots we're already wasting aside).
You wouldn't need to waste a roster spot to start Webb and keep Eli #2. You'd just deactivate Geno.
Shameful act of cowardice by this org.
Haven't been watching much football, now I just may tank on this team just as they tanked on their leader.
Shame the way they let Simms go, now an even worse disaster.
I can't see ownership approving it.
Reese.....yes.
There is absolutely no question that Mara was at least notified of this before it was made public (and likely before it was discussed with any players), IMO. This isn't just any ordinary lineup decision; this is something that affects PR, marketing, sales, etc. That definitely rolls all the way up the ladder before the decision is final.
It doesn't necessarily mean that Mara endorsed it or agreed with it, but at a minimum that he recognizes that a dumpster fire is a dumpster fire no matter how hot the flames get.
He played in the Pac 10.
He's played enough and he's been with NYG long enough. They should have been getting him ready for weeks. If there was a QB change, the only guy to play is a rookie.
I don't care about a Buffalo QB throwing a lot of picks. Has nothing to do with Webb.
I can totally understand the shock regarding Eli, but not Geno. Webb will get his shot and some playing time.
Agreed.
It is often the same at the start of spring training. Giants tend to start the lineup with incumbents from the previous season and then work the possible replacements in slowly.
He played in the Pac 10.
He's played enough and he's been with NYG long enough. They should have been getting him ready for weeks. If there was a QB change, the only guy to play is a rookie.
I don't care about a Buffalo QB throwing a lot of picks. Has nothing to do with Webb.
This.
This move has nothing to do with seeing what the Giants have for the future. This is all about hoping that Geno puts together a few wins so McAdoo and Reese can save their jobs by pretending that the asinine coaching and terrible personnel decisions are somehow Eli's fault.
I think I'm done with this team for the foreseeable future
Reese is saying this is something this is the best thing for the organization right now, which is not at all the same thing as saying it's the team's best chance to win. You can argue that it really is the best thing for the organization, as many have above. But let's be honest -- they're basically tanking the season and starting to look at next year.
I don't think McAdoo is fooling anybody, including the players, and he's going to pay a price in the locker room.
let eli play out the year..during games then insert Webb ..NOT Geno!! holy fuck
In no freaking screwed up thinking is starting Geno the answer. No way. This just shows that they have no clue what they are doing and they are lost. Fire everyone in management. Everyone.