basically blaming the whole fiasco on McAdoo, they he completely botched the relating of what Mara agreed to, which was possibly pulling Eli out of games that were out of hand either way to play the other QBs. McAdumb alone made it a "start the game, then sit the 2nd half" proposition.
Crazy, but how else can it be? Unless McAdoo is a world class moron.
An additional point with my scenario - at some point Eli would have to sit. It may be possible that Eli comes back and plays with the Giants but the next HC is spared that decision of breaking the streak.
Second, if they did do that and McAdoo went off the reservation, why wasn't he fired immediately? He singlehandedly brought about one of the most embarrassing days in the history of the franchise in the midst of one of the worst seasons of the last 35+ years. Any illusions of propriety are long out the window. Just can the guy already.
This is your franchise player who has meant so much to the organization. You send McAdoo, who clearly has no affinity towards Eli and is probably the worst communicator of all the Head Coaches in the league right now. That conversation needs to be handled by either Reese (not sure it would have went better with him) or Mara, thats it. Eli deserved that much.
An additional point with my scenario - at some point Eli would have to sit. It may be possible that Eli comes back and plays with the Giants but the next HC is spared that decision of breaking the streak.
Me too SLIM. Rees escapes the choppoing block, is allowed to hire a another new coach, then forces him to play the QB the fired coach wanted AND gets to trade a top 5 pick and executre the picks after years of botched drafts?? Talk about a worst case scenario!
Now they're leaking to throw McAdoo under the bus. Look, I'd drive the bus over McAdoo's dead body, but this organization is a shit show right now. It goes much deeper than the HC and GM.
If the plan was presented correctly and neither of them could foresee how Eli would respond, then shame on him for pushing the blame onto McAdoo.
Mara is the owner of this team and is the one who owed Eli an explanation. The fact that he let it be handled by alone by a lame-duck coach who has already largely lost the locker room is in itself damning.
Now they're leaking to throw McAdoo under the bus. Look, I'd drive the bus over McAdoo's dead body, but this organization is a shit show right now. It goes much deeper than the HC and GM.
yes, I agree. they are a mess right now. Fredo is in charge, not Michael
The more the various talking heads and team officials talk, the more this whole organization looks like a clown car.
Where's that NY Post picture with Bozo the clown driving Rex Ryan - They need to update it with Mara, McApoo, and Reese....
Now they're leaking to throw McAdoo under the bus. Look, I'd drive the bus over McAdoo's dead body, but this organization is a shit show right now. It goes much deeper than the HC and GM.
this is just more signs that Mara may just bring him back..dont trust mara
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I don't doubt that McAdoo took the directive too far, but this whole situation stinks. Mara agreed to this, he even said he was surprised when Eli didn't. THAT is the wild card they didn't expect, along with the strong negative reaction by fans and press.
Now they're leaking to throw McAdoo under the bus. Look, I'd drive the bus over McAdoo's dead body, but this organization is a shit show right now. It goes much deeper than the HC and GM.
Rescue the family image time is more like it. And how about the "we'll be able to trade our top 5 pick for a bunch of other picks because we'll know so much about Davis Webb." Are they fucking kidding? Would Mo, Larry and Curly really pass on drafting a franchise qb because of Davis freaking Webb? Are they really that fucking stupid?
EXACTLY! How fucking scary is that proposition. Dottino is a favored house man too, so I'd wager there is some truth to it, almost a trial balloon. Scarier is that it tells you that Reese is staying and would be making those picks.
Reese doesn't even like trading down out of his slot. There's a 0% chance they trade the best pick position they'll get since 2004.
The reality is that if Mara wanted to fix McAdoo’s butt fumbling the play to get Webb some snaps then he could have and would have already fixed the situation.
Also, if Mara had any charecter he wouldn’t have surrounded himself with the likes of Reese and McAdoo, both of whom seem to be very low integrity guys. Attitude follows leadership and I think out real problem is that Mara is a fool.
Don't forget that Dottino had been extremely vocal in recent weeks that this would never happen and there was no chance that anyone other than Eli would start for the Giants this season (or next season either, for that matter). Now, that could be because Eli's refusal to play along with the team's plan (or McAdoo's bungled attempt at it) obviously changed everything, but Dottino also has some egg on his face on this because he took such an absolute position.
So now he's also defending his own credibility to some degree - even if he was 100% right at the time about this season, it's pretty clear that his stance on next season was iffy at best anyway.
Nice work Pat!
Ehh, no offense to Slade, but many of us came to this conclusion on our own after Mara's statements. Giants ownership is clearly angry about this season and how many situations have been handled. Also, Art Stapleton said the same thing late yesterday. Mara really gave McAdoo both barrels when he mentioned that communication and empathy were not McAdoo's strong suit and that there were no guarantees when it came to the coach keeping his job for the next month.
Now if McAdoo gets fired before the end of the season, I'll give Slade all the credit he is due.
It's just silly to think the Giants have already thought about what they will do with their pick. They don't even know where they will be picking - nor do they know what QBs will be in the draft. Nor do they know what they could get for trading down. It's just a ludicrous idea that any such conversation has taken place. Beyond nuts.
Yikes They messed this Eli thing up so badly poor Paul didn't know what to do.
Mara is now sitting around going what the hell just happened. I think he's really pissed at McAdoo for the way this was handled.
Agreed, and because if this, and that he is a fucking moron, I would fire McAdoo now.
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but his word shouldn't be taken as gospel. Especially not the part about trading our top pick. Seriously doubt that happens.
Reese doesn't even like trading down out of his slot. There's a 0% chance they trade the best pick position they'll get since 2004.
Has Reese said he doesn't like trading down? If he did I missed it.
That said a change may be necessary, but saying the guy is some clown isn't recognizing the full body of work. Most people thought the roster was pretty good heading into the season.
TC was a great coach who also made some bad decisions - is he a buffoon too - can't get the challenge flag out of his sock, etc???
That said a change may be necessary, but saying the guy is some clown isn't recognizing the full body of work. Most people thought the roster was pretty good heading into the season.
TC was a great coach who also made some bad decisions - is he a buffoon too - can't get the challenge flag out of his sock, etc???
Reese holds the most blame for all of this. Still no answer at o line. Still no answer at RB. Still no answer at LB. Specials are garbage which means shit depth.
Teflon Reese is the main reason all of this has happened and I think he will be back next year to boot.
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but his word shouldn't be taken as gospel. Especially not the part about trading our top pick. Seriously doubt that happens.
It's just silly to think the Giants have already thought about what they will do with their pick. They don't even know where they will be picking - nor do they know what QBs will be in the draft. Nor do they know what they could get for trading down. It's just a ludicrous idea that any such conversation has taken place. Beyond nuts.
It almost certainly hasn't. But Dottino has egg on his face and is trying to pick a new bet to double down on.
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but his word shouldn't be taken as gospel. Especially not the part about trading our top pick. Seriously doubt that happens.
Reese doesn't even like trading down out of his slot. There's a 0% chance they trade the best pick position they'll get since 2004.
Has Reese said he doesn't like trading down? If he did I missed it.
I think ten years of drafts is enough of a sample to form an opinion.
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In comment 13714592 Dave in Hoboken said:
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but his word shouldn't be taken as gospel. Especially not the part about trading our top pick. Seriously doubt that happens.
Reese doesn't even like trading down out of his slot. There's a 0% chance they trade the best pick position they'll get since 2004.
Has Reese said he doesn't like trading down? If he did I missed it.
I think ten years of drafts is enough of a sample to form an opinion.
He only trades UP for QBs who can't play, never down.
yeah, right.
McAdoo may have bungled, but Mara knew darn well there was going to be a backlash no matter what and set it up so Mac would take the fall.
Mara is not innocent, in this, or in the state of the Giants overall.