Keeps pushing the narrative that Eli benched himself, says that Eli had the opportunity to continue playing, but chose not too. He keeps saying what Mara said in his interview, that Eli would play unless game got out of hand either way. That is NOT what McAdoo told Eli and he straight up told that to the media.
Boomer is one butt hurt F$& k! All he talks about is how much guys like Eli, Peyton, and other QB's make! He's insufferable at times.
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but that is exactly what happened. Eli was supposed to start, but Geno and Webb would finish. People will argue the McAdoo pulled the rug from Eli knowing he would balk at this "arrangement." But in the end, Eli was told he would start.
That's not what Mara said, he told the Nedia and us that the plan was to work the other guys in if the game was out of hand either way. McAdoo said the opposite, start the game then you're getting pulled.
Now had Mara set up McAdoo to take the heat, and will fire him at the end of the season? Maybe, but again that's not the way each side presented it.
You are/may be right. It seems nobody in Giantland has the same story. In any case, Eli was told he would start and then the other two would finish. That is what Eli based his decision on - what McAdoo said. No Matter, Eli chose not to accommodate this plan.
Had it been presented to Eli as Mara said it was agreed to, would Eli have accepted continued to start? Who knows? What would have happened if that was what Eli was told (work them in as it became available), then McAdoo just pulled him to start the 3rd quarter? Basically Eli would have been lied to.
You don't tell QB of Eli's caliber that he's only going to play a half of football. Its a disservice to everyone and McAdoo knew that. It can't be anymore clear what McAdoo's intentions were.
He set things up like he wasn't on the same page as McAdoo, but signed off on McAdoo's plan before it became public. If he had a problem with what McAdoo put in place, he could have changed things.
He said he doesn't like to meddle in the football side of things, but didn't have any problem telling Reese and McAdoo that they needed to evaluate the other quarterbacks. And, despite his stated desire not to meddle, McAdoo still wasn't able to run with his plan without Mara's say-so.
I think Mara was just find with the plan and then backtracked when he realized that he had underestimated the blowback. The way he's setting things up now leaves him with his hands a little dirty but has most of the blame landing on a head coach that he's almost certain to fire next month.
We've seen Reese stand up and say "the buck stops with me," only to then throw a bunch of other people under the bus at a press conference. I think Mara is exhibiting that same behavior. He's responsible for this move, but he's shifting the blame toward McAdoo. And honestly, that type of behavior kind of explains why the team is in this mess in the first place.
You don't tell QB of Eli's caliber that he's only going to play a half of football. Its a disservice to everyone and McAdoo knew that. It can't be anymore clear what McAdoo's intentions were.
Read Milton's post above - he nails it. It wasn't limited to a blowout either way - that doesn't require a conversation with Eli or Mara.
Leave Geno out of the equation. There is nothing to see there.
Then it would have been much better received by Eli, a non-story for the media and fans and the season moves towards its conclusion. SMH
Boomer has been a refreshing breath of air. He's been logical, not emotional, taking everything into perspective.
It shouldn't be logical to anyone who has followed Eli Manning that he "benched himself" or should have supported the plan the team laid out. Knowing what an egomaniac Boomer was in his career, he wouldn't have taken the deal either, and if you think Boomer would've let anyone say he "benched himself" - then you're crazy.
The show needs an antagonist and a shit-stirrer, and Boomer was probably told that he needed to be that guy now with Carton gone and Jerry being the new guy. Riled up callers get more calls and ratings, so Boomer is the guy with the horrible takes now.
You don't tell QB of Eli's caliber that he's only going to play a half of football. Its a disservice to everyone and McAdoo knew that. It can't be anymore clear what McAdoo's intentions were.
There is no doubt what McAdoo's intention was, I agree - almost spiteful. He has been hinting around it all year. He probably feels Eli is the reason why the offense sucks and that is why he (McAdoo) will be unemployed by Jan 7th.
But why can't you tell Eli he's playing half a game? He gets paid the same. You are saying Eli's ego is more important than the team? I'm not supporting the whole half decision, but I also feel that Eli is being a bit selfish (and maybe he has a right to be selfish.) Does Eli give the Giants the best chance to win - of course he does. But at 2-9 they are not going anywhere that needs Eli to win them a game.
Was it handled wrong? Yes
Was it proposed to Eli improperly? Yes
Did McAdoo do this to insult Eli? I suspect yes.
Did McAdoo go beyond what Mara said he could do? Possibly/Probably
Does the team have the right to play who they want, when they want? Yeah, they do.
Not a popular take on this, I know. (this will go over well!)
By not going along with the deal, it allows Smith (and, in the future, Webb) to prepare the way professional quarterbacks running a team should prepare. That wasn't going to happen under the Mara/Reese/McAdoo plan.
It's one thing for fans to talk about tanking to get a higher draft pick, but these guys are professionals and should prioritize winning. The fact that Eli realized that is not surprising, but the fact that the owner, GM, and head coach didn't is alarming.
By not going along with the deal, it allows Smith (and, in the future, Webb) to prepare the way professional quarterbacks running a team should prepare. That wasn't going to happen under the Mara/Reese/McAdoo plan.
It's one thing for fans to talk about tanking to get a higher draft pick, but these guys are professionals and should prioritize winning. The fact that Eli realized that is not surprising, but the fact that the owner, GM, and head coach didn't is alarming.
You make a very good point. If that was Eli's thought process - why bother busting ass, not to win - I can understand.
Boomer has been a refreshing breath of air. He's been logical, not emotional, taking everything into perspective.
He DID say it. I heard him that day. Also said that he can help them win the 5 "important" upcoming games.
Boomer is a giant phony. Mr. Partiotism clean cut all American boy on Sunday and potty mouth yuck it up enabler of vularian moron Craig Cartoon during the week. Screw him.
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that McAdoo said Geno gives the Giants the best chance to win. He and his tirades get fans frothing at the mouth based on nonsense and inaccurate comments.
Boomer has been a refreshing breath of air. He's been logical, not emotional, taking everything into perspective.
He DID say it. I heard him that day. Also said that he can help them win the 5 "important" upcoming games.
Boomer is a giant phony. Mr. Partiotism clean cut all American boy on Sunday and potty mouth yuck it up enabler of vularian moron Craig Cartoon during the week. Screw him.
He didn't say it. You misheard.
It shouldn't be logical to anyone who has followed Eli Manning that he "benched himself" or should have supported the plan the team laid out. Knowing what an egomaniac Boomer was in his career, he wouldn't have taken the deal either, and if you think Boomer would've let anyone say he "benched himself" - then you're crazy.
Some people are confusing "benching" with "starting". The streak has to do with consecutive starts and Eli of course ended the streak himself (appropriately).
On the other hand it doesn't matter if you sit at the start of the first half or at the start of the second; you're still benched and Eli did NOT do that to himself.
In the words of Jimmy Dugan: "Anything worth doing is worth doing right"
What exactly is the point of starting if you know you are going to be pulled regardless of how well you do.
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an Eli injury, there's really no logical rationale to get Geno snaps. Hell, if our plan is develop a young QB, he shouldn't even have been on the roster and webb should've been the backup.
That's what people are infuriated with.
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He said that? That's ridiculous. His Jet green undies are showing.
You're wrong. He didn't say it. The reporter asked it and he sidestepped the question.
A: We’re confident that we can put a plan together to put Geno in a position to be successful and go win the game.
And he never said that Geno would help them win the five remaining games. He also outlined why those games are important - they'll have a chance to look at the roster and get evaluations. He says that they have a chance to win those games (they're obviously not going to openly say they're tanking), but never mentions Geno in that answer.
A: No. We have five games left to play. Five very important games. We have a chance to go win these five games. We have a chance to take a look at the roster top to bottom, get great evaluations and move forward that way.
By all means though, keep insisting that you heard it. Never mind that you're completely full of crap, just keep saying it. Maybe it'll magically become true.
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Probably correct Milton.
I'm in that group of posters.
I'm in that group of posters.
Francessa keeps saying it. I like Mike, but when he's wrong, even if he's proven wrong, he's never wrong. The veracity of what he's saying combined with a colorful take by the media has driven a lot of fans to react emotionally and strongly.
2) I think McAdoo does think Geno gives him a better shot. I agree Francesa is over playing what McAdoo said, but I think McAdoo was waiting for a chance to bench Eli to see if he can improve the offense with another QB to scape goat Eli to keep his job or advocate for himself with another team that might be stupid enough to hire him in another coaching capacity.
Also, keep in mind the Giants do not even have Webb ready to play. Everyone is like why Geno, I think McAdoo is happy to start Geno.
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would have been much more well received by Eli. A blowout either way and we are giving Webb reps. Done and done.
You don't tell QB of Eli's caliber that he's only going to play a half of football. Its a disservice to everyone and McAdoo knew that. It can't be anymore clear what McAdoo's intentions were.
There is no doubt what McAdoo's intention was, I agree - almost spiteful. He has been hinting around it all year. He probably feels Eli is the reason why the offense sucks and that is why he (McAdoo) will be unemployed by Jan 7th.
But why can't you tell Eli he's playing half a game? He gets paid the same. You are saying Eli's ego is more important than the team? I'm not supporting the whole half decision, but I also feel that Eli is being a bit selfish (and maybe he has a right to be selfish.) Does Eli give the Giants the best chance to win - of course he does. But at 2-9 they are not going anywhere that needs Eli to win them a game.
Was it handled wrong? Yes
Was it proposed to Eli improperly? Yes
Did McAdoo do this to insult Eli? I suspect yes.
Did McAdoo go beyond what Mara said he could do? Possibly/Probably
Does the team have the right to play who they want, when they want? Yeah, they do.
Not a popular take on this, I know. (this will go over well!)
Bottom line you're absolutely right, he gets paid and the staff can do what they want. It sucks that they've been setting him up for this for a while. What I mean for the most part only calling him out by name when he's one of the only ones who show up Day in and day out!
F$&k Reese, McAdoo and so on, it just wasn't right.
Alright, your goals have changed and, given, the record, that's fine. But winning is no longer in the equation.
I also keep thinking how defense (or especially defense) players must feel. You risk pain and perhaps career-rending injury when you're the only ones serious about playing.
He mentioned both Favre and Montana, but were either of those guys benched or replaced mid-year? I was a little bit too young to remember how the Montana thing went down, but I dont remember either being benched or replaced midseason. I think every Giant fan would have understood the Giants moving on from Eli after the year.
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...had it been presented without the definitive "one half apiece" aspect to it. Just tell Eli to be prepared for the fact that at some point in the game--even if it's still competitive--he may decide to replace him in order to get a look at the young QBs. By saying Eli would play one half and Geno or Webb will play the second half, it makes it sound too much like a preseason game.
Probably correct Milton.
Agreed!!!
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Is it s happened to better quarterbacks than Eli. I think he doesn't warrant the attention it is getting
He mentioned both Favre and Montana, but were either of those guys benched or replaced mid-year? I was a little bit too young to remember how the Montana thing went down, but I dont remember either being benched or replaced midseason. I think every Giant fan would have understood the Giants moving on from Eli after the year.
Montana was replaced by Steve Young. Favre by Rodgers.
c'mon
Favre, Montana and Manning all moved on in the off-seasons. Interesting enough, Steve Young was briefly benched for Elvis Grbac, but that was in 1994, early after he took over from Montana.
I was too young to remember if Namath was benched before going to LA.
It is part of the reason the situation is causing so much uproar. Almost every person is united in thinking eli deserved a better way to be benched.
I never listen but today I was and caught that...what a crock of shit...
I'm not trying to make excuses for McAdoo, heaven knows he has fucked everything up and can't handle the media, but the press is digging for a story and, at this point, hoping he'll misstep in one of his responses because it makes a bigger splash.
I'm not trying to make excuses for McAdoo, heaven knows he has fucked everything up and can't handle the media, but the press is digging for a story and, at this point, hoping he'll misstep in one of his responses because it makes a bigger splash.
I truly think his misstep was this fiasco, and may have sealed his fate. I never thought I'd say this about a Giants team, but I think they're tanking. They want to make sure they're in good position for a top pick for the next regime. I think McAdoo is a goner along with Reese. This theory all depends upon Mara, is he really a bumbling fool, or is he waiting them out and will clean house at the end. That is the million dollar question.
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an Eli injury, there's really no logical rationale to get Geno snaps. Hell, if our plan is develop a young QB, he shouldn't even have been on the roster and webb should've been the backup.
That's what people are infuriated with.
It's impossible to know what the staff planned for Smith if Manning had opted to play.
Smith is being forced into the equation much more because opted not to play.
?? The point others are making (validly i might add) is that its one thing to want to give Webb reps... but Webb isnt ready this weekend - hence Geno is starting... so there was no reason to approach Eli now about the streak. This conversation, then, should have happened with just 2-3 games to go in the season, at which point with home games and not much time left ... maybe Eli's reaction is different.
In fact, if the plan is to get a look at Webb... then you should cut Geno now, and make Webb the back-up QB for the last 5 games (or move Geno to practice squad whatever).
There is no upside to giving Geno snaps. That's not racism, as someone above mentioned Boomer insinuated. Its having seen Geno's body of work with the Jets, and in this past summers preseason. Its having witnessed him sleep in through games on the west coast. Its seeing his (lack of) professionalism with teammates that led to broken hands from fights. Etc.
Why isn't he on the radio in Cincinnati where he was a good QB instead of NY where he's just another in a long line of Jets QBs who didn't get it done.
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that McAdoo said Geno gives the Giants the best chance to win. He and his tirades get fans frothing at the mouth based on nonsense and inaccurate comments.
Boomer has been a refreshing breath of air. He's been logical, not emotional, taking everything into perspective.
He DID say it. I heard him that day. Also said that he can help them win the 5 "important" upcoming games.
Boomer is a giant phony. Mr. Partiotism clean cut all American boy on Sunday and potty mouth yuck it up enabler of vularian moron Craig Cartoon during the week. Screw him.
We all can read the transcripts. He didn't say it.