Keeps pushing the narrative that Eli benched himself, says that Eli had the opportunity to continue playing, but chose not too. He keeps saying what Mara said in his interview, that Eli would play unless game got out of hand either way. That is NOT what McAdoo told Eli and he straight up told that to the media.
Boomer is one butt hurt F$& k! All he talks about is how much guys like Eli, Peyton, and other QB's make! He's insufferable at times.
if i was eli the way it was presented to him i would of said the exact same thing, but i would told mcadoo shove it...
if it was presented the way mara explained it i dont think eli would of said no..
i also think the only reason geno is starting is because eli said no, they were not going to throw webb to the fire on the rroad first game
But Boomer is eternally butthurt that he’ll never be considered an elite NY athlete, and it comes out in his commentary.
if i was eli the way it was presented to him i would of said the exact same thing, but i would told mcadoo shove it...
if it was presented the way mara explained it i dont think eli would of said no..
i also think the only reason geno is starting is because eli said no, they were not going to throw webb to the fire on the rroad first game
Which us why they should have waited a week and then said they were starting Webb. That was the big mistake here.
If they had put him on the bench to try out Webb the fans wouldn't be throwing temper tantrums like manchildren right now.
Doing it this way really was macs way of moving on from Eli. And the way everything is played out I think it’s been evident that Reese and Mac have wanted to be out of the Eli era for a while now
It may be what happened but it doesn’t mean what you think it does. Boomer wouldn’t sign off on not finishing a game, no respectable QB would. McAdoo knee his plan would be refused, IMO. The right thing to do would have been to shut down Eli and actually make a decision that took balls. Instead he pinned it on a player to make thhr decision. McAdoo is a tremendous pussy.
He's obviously very locked onto the next man up succession, just like having Jerry Recco co-host with him for the past couple of months. Did they owe Jerry a shot at anything more than being the update guy? But he had worked hard in his role and the circumstances presented themselves and he deserved his chance.
That's what people are infuriated with.
That's what people are infuriated with.
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That's what people are infuriated with.
It's impossible to know what the staff planned for Smith if Manning had opted to play.
Smith is being forced into the equation much more because opted not to play.
That's not what Mara said, he told the Nedia and us that the plan was to work the other guys in if the game was out of hand either way. McAdoo said the opposite, start the game then you're getting pulled.
Now had Mara set up McAdoo to take the heat, and will fire him at the end of the season? Maybe, but again that's not the way each side presented it.
Boomer is busy as crap right now in his career. It's politic.
Doing it this way really was macs way of moving on from Eli. And the way everything is played out I think it’s been evident that Reese and Mac have wanted to be out of the Eli era for a while now
You can't just wait for games to get out of hand if you're serious about getting tape on your QB depth. For one thing, there's no guarantee that the games will get out of hand. Some likelihood maybe, no guarantee. For another, getting those QBs in for mop-up duty when the opponent is likely sitting back in prevent mode with reduced pass rush pressure isn't really a fair assessment. And really, if that's all it was going to be, why would that have been discussed with Mara or Eli? There's nothing unique about taking your starting QB out in a blowout.
That's not to say that it was handled anywhere near as well as it should have been - I absolutely agree that it was a mess. And I center most of that on McAdoo's abysmal communication skills. I choose to believe that he actually was trying to relay the same plan he had discussed with Mara but completely bungled it. We've all seen his communication skills all season - is it really that farfetched?
Boomer is busy as crap right now in his career. It's politic.
Francesa also doesn't place a particularly high priority on being accurate.
Smith is being forced into the equation much more because opted not to play.
The bigger problem I have is the plan for Manning was half-cocked and handled poorly. That the leadership either wasn't on the same page in the decision enough to know what would be communicated OR that they didn't anticipate what Eli's reaction would be demonstrates a fundamental problem.
I now question their judgement across other issues because it appears they took a decision of this magnitude lightly and either are sincerely surprised at the reaction or wanted the reaction - neither of which is a good reflection.
It tells us the team is run by people who are either poor at making decisions or are poor at understanding the possible outcome of decisions or a combination of both.
That's what people are infuriated with.
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The only reason Geno was on this roster related to preseason expectations. Teams expecting to make the playoffs build their rosters accordingly, which typically includes a servicable backup who can come in and win a couple games, if needed.
You could argue with the way this season devolved that they could have released Geno to make Webb the #2 and get him those reps in practice and games. Instead, we have this clusterfuck.
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but that is exactly what happened. Eli was supposed to start, but Geno and Webb would finish. People will argue the McAdoo pulled the rug from Eli knowing he would balk at this "arrangement." But in the end, Eli was told he would start.
That's not what Mara said, he told the Nedia and us that the plan was to work the other guys in if the game was out of hand either way. McAdoo said the opposite, start the game then you're getting pulled.
Now had Mara set up McAdoo to take the heat, and will fire him at the end of the season? Maybe, but again that's not the way each side presented it.
You are/may be right. It seems nobody in Giantland has the same story. In any case, Eli was told he would start and then the other two would finish. That is what Eli based his decision on - what McAdoo said. No Matter, Eli chose not to accommodate this plan.
Had it been presented to Eli as Mara said it was agreed to, would Eli have accepted continued to start? Who knows? What would have happened if that was what Eli was told (work them in as it became available), then McAdoo just pulled him to start the 3rd quarter? Basically Eli would have been lied to.
You don't tell QB of Eli's caliber that he's only going to play a half of football. Its a disservice to everyone and McAdoo knew that. It can't be anymore clear what McAdoo's intentions were.
He set things up like he wasn't on the same page as McAdoo, but signed off on McAdoo's plan before it became public. If he had a problem with what McAdoo put in place, he could have changed things.
He said he doesn't like to meddle in the football side of things, but didn't have any problem telling Reese and McAdoo that they needed to evaluate the other quarterbacks. And, despite his stated desire not to meddle, McAdoo still wasn't able to run with his plan without Mara's say-so.
I think Mara was just find with the plan and then backtracked when he realized that he had underestimated the blowback. The way he's setting things up now leaves him with his hands a little dirty but has most of the blame landing on a head coach that he's almost certain to fire next month.
We've seen Reese stand up and say "the buck stops with me," only to then throw a bunch of other people under the bus at a press conference. I think Mara is exhibiting that same behavior. He's responsible for this move, but he's shifting the blame toward McAdoo. And honestly, that type of behavior kind of explains why the team is in this mess in the first place.
You don't tell QB of Eli's caliber that he's only going to play a half of football. Its a disservice to everyone and McAdoo knew that. It can't be anymore clear what McAdoo's intentions were.
Read Milton's post above - he nails it. It wasn't limited to a blowout either way - that doesn't require a conversation with Eli or Mara.
Leave Geno out of the equation. There is nothing to see there.
Then it would have been much better received by Eli, a non-story for the media and fans and the season moves towards its conclusion. SMH
Boomer has been a refreshing breath of air. He's been logical, not emotional, taking everything into perspective.
It shouldn't be logical to anyone who has followed Eli Manning that he "benched himself" or should have supported the plan the team laid out. Knowing what an egomaniac Boomer was in his career, he wouldn't have taken the deal either, and if you think Boomer would've let anyone say he "benched himself" - then you're crazy.
The show needs an antagonist and a shit-stirrer, and Boomer was probably told that he needed to be that guy now with Carton gone and Jerry being the new guy. Riled up callers get more calls and ratings, so Boomer is the guy with the horrible takes now.
You don't tell QB of Eli's caliber that he's only going to play a half of football. Its a disservice to everyone and McAdoo knew that. It can't be anymore clear what McAdoo's intentions were.
There is no doubt what McAdoo's intention was, I agree - almost spiteful. He has been hinting around it all year. He probably feels Eli is the reason why the offense sucks and that is why he (McAdoo) will be unemployed by Jan 7th.
But why can't you tell Eli he's playing half a game? He gets paid the same. You are saying Eli's ego is more important than the team? I'm not supporting the whole half decision, but I also feel that Eli is being a bit selfish (and maybe he has a right to be selfish.) Does Eli give the Giants the best chance to win - of course he does. But at 2-9 they are not going anywhere that needs Eli to win them a game.
Was it handled wrong? Yes
Was it proposed to Eli improperly? Yes
Did McAdoo do this to insult Eli? I suspect yes.
Did McAdoo go beyond what Mara said he could do? Possibly/Probably
Does the team have the right to play who they want, when they want? Yeah, they do.
Not a popular take on this, I know. (this will go over well!)
By not going along with the deal, it allows Smith (and, in the future, Webb) to prepare the way professional quarterbacks running a team should prepare. That wasn't going to happen under the Mara/Reese/McAdoo plan.
It's one thing for fans to talk about tanking to get a higher draft pick, but these guys are professionals and should prioritize winning. The fact that Eli realized that is not surprising, but the fact that the owner, GM, and head coach didn't is alarming.
By not going along with the deal, it allows Smith (and, in the future, Webb) to prepare the way professional quarterbacks running a team should prepare. That wasn't going to happen under the Mara/Reese/McAdoo plan.
It's one thing for fans to talk about tanking to get a higher draft pick, but these guys are professionals and should prioritize winning. The fact that Eli realized that is not surprising, but the fact that the owner, GM, and head coach didn't is alarming.
You make a very good point. If that was Eli's thought process - why bother busting ass, not to win - I can understand.
Boomer has been a refreshing breath of air. He's been logical, not emotional, taking everything into perspective.
He DID say it. I heard him that day. Also said that he can help them win the 5 "important" upcoming games.
Boomer is a giant phony. Mr. Partiotism clean cut all American boy on Sunday and potty mouth yuck it up enabler of vularian moron Craig Cartoon during the week. Screw him.
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that McAdoo said Geno gives the Giants the best chance to win. He and his tirades get fans frothing at the mouth based on nonsense and inaccurate comments.
Boomer has been a refreshing breath of air. He's been logical, not emotional, taking everything into perspective.
He DID say it. I heard him that day. Also said that he can help them win the 5 "important" upcoming games.
Boomer is a giant phony. Mr. Partiotism clean cut all American boy on Sunday and potty mouth yuck it up enabler of vularian moron Craig Cartoon during the week. Screw him.
He didn't say it. You misheard.
It shouldn't be logical to anyone who has followed Eli Manning that he "benched himself" or should have supported the plan the team laid out. Knowing what an egomaniac Boomer was in his career, he wouldn't have taken the deal either, and if you think Boomer would've let anyone say he "benched himself" - then you're crazy.
Some people are confusing "benching" with "starting". The streak has to do with consecutive starts and Eli of course ended the streak himself (appropriately).
On the other hand it doesn't matter if you sit at the start of the first half or at the start of the second; you're still benched and Eli did NOT do that to himself.
In the words of Jimmy Dugan: "Anything worth doing is worth doing right"
What exactly is the point of starting if you know you are going to be pulled regardless of how well you do.
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an Eli injury, there's really no logical rationale to get Geno snaps. Hell, if our plan is develop a young QB, he shouldn't even have been on the roster and webb should've been the backup.
That's what people are infuriated with.
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He said that? That's ridiculous. His Jet green undies are showing.
You're wrong. He didn't say it. The reporter asked it and he sidestepped the question.
A: We’re confident that we can put a plan together to put Geno in a position to be successful and go win the game.
And he never said that Geno would help them win the five remaining games. He also outlined why those games are important - they'll have a chance to look at the roster and get evaluations. He says that they have a chance to win those games (they're obviously not going to openly say they're tanking), but never mentions Geno in that answer.
A: No. We have five games left to play. Five very important games. We have a chance to go win these five games. We have a chance to take a look at the roster top to bottom, get great evaluations and move forward that way.
By all means though, keep insisting that you heard it. Never mind that you're completely full of crap, just keep saying it. Maybe it'll magically become true.
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Probably correct Milton.