So I just read that he's going to be inactive Sunday, with Geno as the backup. If the plan was to get him PT when the season was shot-which it effectively was my mid October at the latest-why not start increasing his reps then? Why wait until the first week of December? I just don't get it. Am I missing something? It just seems like management/coaching staff completely botched this.
This is why I think it may have been a mistake to fire McAdoo and Reese at this point. Spags' best interest conflict with the orgs' best interest at this point, imo.
This is why I think it may have been a mistake to fire McAdoo and Reese at this point. Spags' best interest conflict with the orgs' best interest at this point, imo.
That’s not how this works. Ownership doesn’t bring in an interim coach and let him decide the direction of the team. The role of the interim coach is to do what ownership tells him is the preference of the team moving forward.
Then why did he come out last week & say the exact opposite, i.e. that Webb would play?
That’s not how this works. Ownership doesn’t bring in an interim coach and let him decide the direction of the team. The role of the interim coach is to do what ownership tells him is the preference of the team moving forward.
I don't disagree - maybe I made my point unclearly. Ownership wants to win the game and have told that to Spags. Spags is hoping to win the HC job permanently and/or salvage whatever reputation he has left by winning.
The best interest of the org that I was referring to was what the org wanted just ten days ago - to put winning secondary to evaluating their own players. They've clearly shifted priorities at this point.
Spagnuolo is going to pull out all the stops to win these games . With Eli playing every minute. So what does this do? It locks the Giants into selecting a QB with their high 1.
Spagnuolo is going to pull out all the stops to win these games . With Eli playing every minute. So what does this do? It locks the Giants into selecting a QB with their high 1.
One thing to add to your final statement. It also ensures a second Eli divorce in the near future, like ripping the band-aid off again.
It’s understandable, but it would be unfortunate to now not play Webb at all just for the sake of avoiding further Eli feels.
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And getting the rookie preped for the future doesn't help him win games and keep his job
Then why did he come out last week & say the exact opposite, i.e. that Webb would play?
Directive from Mara and Reese.
My guess is that McAdoo in some way spun getting Webb some minutes so that he can try his offense without Eli.
Spags takes over and along with Sullivan convince Mara that putting Webb in now would be counter productive at this point. You would gain nothing from seeing him in an offense that he really hasn't practiced in, without an OL and with bad talent at WR. I'm in aligment with that.
The real question is how do you split up practice reps.
How would you split the reps?
Spagnuolo is going to pull out all the stops to win these games . With Eli playing every minute. So what does this do? It locks the Giants into selecting a QB with their high 1.
Lmao the client majority...you mean you and Les...??
Holy shitfuck...
Our own Sy56 said, when Webb was drafted, that the pick made NO sense at all but in hindsight, it makes perfect sense if you're trying to give Eli the boot (which is a foolish position to begin with).
But in the end, McAdoo is gone, his "Webb-as-a-backup/replacement to Eli" plan is gone, the guy who signed off on drafting Webb is gone and soon Webb will be gone too.
Eli is our QB for the rest of the year and Webb will never be active on game day. And next year, it will be Eli and our 1st round draft choice QB. Webb will be be going in the direction McAdoo and Reese went, out the door.
This is my guess.
I was thinking the opposite...that they know he's woefully unprepared to play in a game, which indicates that we're gonna take a QB if we have the chance in the 1st.
Spagnuolo is going to pull out all the stops to win these games . With Eli playing every minute. So what does this do? It locks the Giants into selecting a QB with their high 1.
I would pick a QB anyway. It's an asset you don't get a chance to acquire that often. Who cares if we have both Webb + Darnold or Rosen?
I'm even ok if it means we suck for one more year. That just means we get high picks again in 2019 draft.
Plus I don't see any path to the SB with Eli anyway. It will take too long to correct this shit show.
Webb was never supposed to play this season. This was supposed to be a watch-and-learn year. Suddenly they were abandoning that plan -- and the result was a huge mess and a PR debacle. So they're probably going back to the original plan. Webb doesn't even dress, but next summer he competes to be the backup.
The Giants probably also thought they would do well enough this season that they would never be in a position to draft Rosen, Darnold, Jackson, or Allen. And with Eli declining, the wanted to start grooming his replacement this year.
AcidTest is right. There's nothing to be learned from throwing this kid into a broken offense with a bunch of practice squad talent around him.
I don't expect to see him this season, and think it would be a major mistake unless it is in a blowout (one way or the other) situation. Let him come to camp next summer and see if he can step up.
This is why I think it may have been a mistake to fire McAdoo and Reese at this point. Spags' best interest conflict with the orgs' best interest at this point, imo.
It may have been a mistake. The idea to play Webb was a sound idea given the season and a great opportunity to look towards the future.Messed up the Streak, why not put it to use somehow? Play Eli but in a blowout, bring in Webb.
Especially since Mara signed off on it.
Had Mara not signed off then Ben took it on his own to make the move.
Spags will not only want to show he can game plan and win, he'll want to show he can handle what the goof he's following couldn't -- how to get the back-ups into the game gracefully without wrecking the franchise.
Webb was never supposed to play this season. This was supposed to be a watch-and-learn year. Suddenly they were abandoning that plan -- and the result was a huge mess and a PR debacle. So they're probably going back to the original plan. Webb doesn't even dress, but next summer he competes to be the backup.
As for Webb, you are correct this was supposed to be watch and learn. But the writing was on the wall before the bye week and they should have been preparing him then. Losses continued to mount and still no reps for Webb. That’s flat out irresponsible that the team has been this bad for this long and zero focus on preparing the kid.
Major decision will need to be made. The new GM and HC will need to make crucial decisions about personnel before seeing the team in camp. They basically have no choice but to treat Webb as a non option because there is nothing to go by even with practice tape. If you have a shot at top prospect that doesn’t matter because you draft the guy anyway. But even one win in last quarter of the season and we could miss out. There are 3 win teams who probably won’t win another game either. If you are not drafting #1 or #2, then Webb should be in the conversation. But at this point they have zero to go by. That’s a huge blunder. You may see the team pass on a stud in in some other position in order to reach for a QB who may not be much better. But with no knowledge of Webb he just doesn’t factor.
Webb's not ready to play in an NFL game with limited weapons and a mediocre OL.
Many of those people will not be here by the time the draft rolls around, so why not get some film on Webb for the incoming regime?