Davis Webb Moved Up To No. 2 Quarterback
12/5:After not being active the previous week, New York Giants rookie quarterback Davis Webb has been made the No. 2 quarterback on the depth chart, according to Tom Rock of Newsday. He is expected to take more practice repetitions next week as the team prepares for a changing of the guard.
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In comment 13726927 GeofromNJ said:
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would Webb still be #2? IMO, he should be, (Smith is hardly the future), but it may have been a tougher decision.
I believe they were trying to see if Smith could be the "bridge veteran QB" to either Webb or the 1st round draft pick next year...or even just a capable 2nd string to one of those choices for next season.
With Eli's cap number, and $5MM bonus due in March, they need to know what their options are.
Ideally, but maybe not likely, Webb shows he is a contender for the position, and somehow they convince Eli to stay for one more season to make for an easier transition...somehow though, I get the feeling that these last 4 games are Eli's last with the team.
As Peter King points out, his last 2 seasons have not been great, so do they really believe fixing the Oline will bring him back to championship level...at $25MM/season?
Imo, 🍔a💩 was trying to save his job and he was trying to prove that Eli was the issue. 🍔a💩 didn't give a shit about developing Webb for the future and didn't care about finding us a bridge to our next QB.
I agree with this 100%. It is the only logical reason to even keep Geno around. Not that much of anything this year has made sense.
Webb should have been #2 since August and all of these threads would have been completely different as to the what we needed to do next year.
Close the barn door after the cow walked away...
He's showing he has a brain, can read a situation, and can listen to his superiors. He's going to get a job somewhere after this.
Which gives more clarity to the move.
Imo, 🍔a💩 was trying to save his job and he was trying to prove that Eli was the issue. 🍔a💩 didn't give a shit about developing Webb for the future and didn't care about finding us a bridge to our next QB.
I agree. If this whole fiasco was to get Webb practice reps (behind Smith), why didn't they start after the Thanksgiving Day game? They had a week and a half to get him some practice reps and he was still doing the scouting team thing. McAdoo just wanted to start somebody other than Eli.
Yeah with this Oline, changing of the guard is a weekly thing...
Geno was apparently both Mac and Reese's guy but who knows at this point.
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In comment 13726927 GeofromNJ said:
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would Webb still be #2? IMO, he should be, (Smith is hardly the future), but it may have been a tougher decision.
I believe they were trying to see if Smith could be the "bridge veteran QB" to either Webb or the 1st round draft pick next year...or even just a capable 2nd string to one of those choices for next season.
With Eli's cap number, and $5MM bonus due in March, they need to know what their options are.
Ideally, but maybe not likely, Webb shows he is a contender for the position, and somehow they convince Eli to stay for one more season to make for an easier transition...somehow though, I get the feeling that these last 4 games are Eli's last with the team.
As Peter King points out, his last 2 seasons have not been great, so do they really believe fixing the Oline will bring him back to championship level...at $25MM/season?
Imo, 🍔a💩 was trying to save his job and he was trying to prove that Eli was the issue. 🍔a💩 didn't give a shit about developing Webb for the future and didn't care about finding us a bridge to our next QB.
This times a million... I said this all the way back in camp. Ben McAdoo saw the offense not doing well, knew the Oline was shit and since he couldn't throw Reese under the bus he took the one avenue he had and used Eli as his reason for the offense not playing well.. It didn't work!
1) Mike Vrabel- I said this in another thread, he is a guy who command respect immediately. He is not that long removed from the field so knows the league well, the players and is a nice fill between Vets and younger players as he can related to both. He was a guy who did a lot of things on the field - LB, DE, TE) and just seemed like a coach on the field. He learned a ton from BB.
2) John Gruden- I know, I know, but he can turn this around quickly. Anyone clamoring for Marvin Lewis while stating Gruden's overall record as some negative needs to have their head examined.
3) Jason Garrett- if he were to be let go by the Boys he would be a great choice! ** I wouldn't be surprised if the boys let him go...
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would Webb still be #2? IMO, he should be, (Smith is hardly the future), but it may have been a tougher decision.
I believe they were trying to see if Smith could be the "bridge veteran QB" to either Webb or the 1st round draft pick next year...or even just a capable 2nd string to one of those choices for next season.
With Eli's cap number, and $5MM bonus due in March, they need to know what their options are.
Ideally, but maybe not likely, Webb shows he is a contender for the position, and somehow they convince Eli to stay for one more season to make for an easier transition...somehow though, I get the feeling that these last 4 games are Eli's last with the team.
As Peter King points out, his last 2 seasons have not been great, so do they really believe fixing the Oline will bring him back to championship level...at $25MM/season?
Agree with this 100%, it's the only thing that makes sense and why I think Eli will probably be gone next year. I say probably because the Giants got caught with their hand in the cookie jar trying to "bridge" Geno on the cheap and there's still a slim chance they retain Eli while grooming Webb/Mystery QB from the draft. Until Spags was appointed HC and word came out that Eli would start, I was definite on Eli's release.
larryflower37 : 12:15 am : link : reply
Webb could have been in at the end of the Seattle and Rams game etc.
Ben and Jerry real messed this up
^This. Geno was a guy who might credibly step in if Eli got hurt for a few games, but wasn't out for the season. With the offensive weapons, and a defense that was supposedly strong, Geno could be a "game manager" for a few games until Eli returned. Once that was no longer an option, Webb should have been moved to #2, and Geno released.
The only sensible plan was and is to rotate Smith and Webb as the backup.
But let's be real, no one is analyzing Smith for any role outside of number 2 next year. Playing Smith only is, was and will be to analyze Manning.
Too much being made of Webb. He's being hyped because Reese was dumb enough to trade up for him and claim they had a 1st round grade on him.
Lorenzen, Bomar, Nassib, Webb. NEXT!
The only sensible plan was and is to rotate Smith and Webb as the backup.
But let's be real, no one is analyzing Smith for any role outside of number 2 next year. Playing Smith only is, was and will be to analyze Manning.
That's your opinion, and there are several different opinions floating around. That doesn't make any of them, including the one I believe in, fact.
McAdoo had 2 possible ways to come back from the dead.
Eli Manning or Davis Webb.
And he chose Geno Smith.
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Right now discussing the Giants. Says Geno was Macs guy only. Also thinks McDaniels will be the Guy. He also thinks this is a strong QB draft. I disagree with the two latter points. And hope hes wrong on McDaniels.
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Right now discussing the Giants. Says Geno was Macs guy only. Also thinks McDaniels will be the Guy. He also thinks this is a strong QB draft. I disagree with the two latter points. And hope he�s wrong on McDaniels.
Geno was apparently both Mac and Reese's guy but who knows at this point.
Oh I can't believe that......this is now piling on the guy. But if it's true, both deservedly were fired.
I assume this is a joke right?
The next week, Eli starts the game and we have a repeat performance in the first half.
What will happen then?
Just like this year to take what was already a big mess and extend it and make it messier.
Geno did play pretty well, IMO.
But he is not the future of the franchise. He is a really good backup; I don't think he is a starter. Keep in mind, as defenses get more tape on a QB in his respective offense, things seem to get a lot harder for that QB as the season progresses. I think Geno will have a job in the NFL next year.
Throughout the season, it DID make sense to give Geno all of the second string snaps. He was one injury away from starting and it seemed clear to me that Davis simply wasn't ready.
At this point they are 2-10. The Giants really need to see what they have with their third round pick. These last four games would be a good time to do that. I expect Eli to start the games with Davis coming into the game in a cleanup role at first. Although, the Giants have been in most games. So I'm not sure exactly how they are going to work Davis in.
At this point, I'd agree. Esp with the streak broken, and I think Eli would actually agree to it.
But this is where BM really screwed up, and where I talk about forward thinking. He was more worried about trying to "flip the script" and "go on a run"....where you realized this team wasn't capable due to the injuries and horrid start.
Webb should have been worked in gradually every week. Instead, they waited until now. That's on BM.
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and maybe next week but then Webb should be given a chance to show case his skills. I am still all in on a QB in the first round but Webb could prove that he may be able to compete for the starting job next season if Eli is gone.
At this point, I'd agree. Esp with the streak broken, and I think Eli would actually agree to it.
But this is where BM really screwed up, and where I talk about forward thinking. He was more worried about trying to "flip the script" and "go on a run"....where you realized this team wasn't capable due to the injuries and horrid start.
Webb should have been worked in gradually every week. Instead, they waited until now. That's on BM.
And when I say worked in gradually, I don't mean playing time. I mean responsibilities in practice where he moved up to the #2 and would have been ready, to at least function in the offense, at this point in the season.
bullshit bullshit bullshit and more bullshit.
Does Eli average two fumbles lost every game?
Sell bullshit elsewhere we're all stocked up here.
Geno Smith isn't as good as Eli Manning. We have about 30 fucking starts to go on with Geno over the years. Please...stop.
I keep reading "if geno didn't fumble twice"---that's just it! Geno ALWAYS fucks games away. It's what he does! Stop over thinking this.
Too much being made of Webb. He's being hyped because Reese was dumb enough to trade up for him and claim they had a 1st round grade on him.
Lorenzen, Bomar, Nassib, Webb. NEXT!
Then just to reinforce it, he fumbles twice during the game, then after it stupidly makes the presser about his spat with Rex Ryan AND says he saw it because of "the time change". Only people dumber than him are those who think he's a legitimate solution at QB for the Giants or any other team with serious aspirations of contending.
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no thanks.
Too much being made of Webb. He's being hyped because Reese was dumb enough to trade up for him and claim they had a 1st round grade on him.
Lorenzen, Bomar, Nassib, Webb. NEXT!
Yep. Long-term project. This "heir and successor" talk was nonsense. Webb will compete with our #1 pick and probably end up cut or inactive every game- another Reese draft screw up.
That calculus had to change in the last few weeks when it became clear that a franchise QB draft pick was not only reachable but likely. The most logical thing at that point was to discard the idea of Webb...perhaps you develop him as a back-up or potential trade-bait. Either way, they shouldn't have spent much effort on him, although more effort than they should have spent on Geno.
At this point, nobody should really be mentioning Webb's name for anything substantive. That was a good pick given the circumstances at the time; but circumstances have changed.
came in last week with a media circus around him and a week of preparation
and OUT PLAYED ELI MANNING last performance
it isn't Geno boosters
it is pointing out the in fact Eli might be DONE!
he played one game .. and now back on the bench even though he did as well as Eli has lately
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In comment 13727162 Victor in CT said:
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no thanks.
Too much being made of Webb. He's being hyped because Reese was dumb enough to trade up for him and claim they had a 1st round grade on him.
Lorenzen, Bomar, Nassib, Webb. NEXT!
Yep. Long-term project. This "heir and successor" talk was nonsense. Webb will compete with our #1 pick and probably end up cut or inactive every game- another Reese draft screw up.
I don't think it was a screw up at all. They needed to develop a QB. At the time they drafted him, they needed to plan for Eli's retirement. At the time they drafted him, they felt that they had 3 years of top production from Eli (it's still there for them or some other team, IMO) and that the team they had in place would compete in the playoffs. That put a draft position in the high teens at best and more likely in the low to mid-twenties. You're not going to be able to pick a top-flight QB at that point, so the most sensible strategy is to pick (perhaps an undervalued) a guy , probably in successive years and try to develop him. There's little other choice.
That calculus had to change in the last few weeks when it became clear that a franchise QB draft pick was not only reachable but likely. The most logical thing at that point was to discard the idea of Webb...perhaps you develop him as a back-up or potential trade-bait. Either way, they shouldn't have spent much effort on him, although more effort than they should have spent on Geno.
At this point, nobody should really be mentioning Webb's name for anything substantive. That was a good pick given the circumstances at the time; but circumstances have changed.
Nice post, Bill.
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and maybe next week but then Webb should be given a chance to show case his skills. I am still all in on a QB in the first round but Webb could prove that he may be able to compete for the starting job next season if Eli is gone.
At this point, I'd agree. Esp with the streak broken, and I think Eli would actually agree to it.
But this is where BM really screwed up, and where I talk about forward thinking. He was more worried about trying to "flip the script" and "go on a run"....where you realized this team wasn't capable due to the injuries and horrid start.
Webb should have been worked in gradually every week. Instead, they waited until now. That's on BM.
This is what pissed me off the most about ending the streak. We know that Geno Smith isn't an option as the future starting QB. Webb should have been elevated to the #2 spot after they were 0-5. Webb would have received significantly more reps in practice. If they ended the streak because they wanted to see how Webb performs then the backlash would have been much less. It would be hard for Webb to succeed due to the lack of weapons and the poor play of the offensive line but he could still flash at times.