...Quenton Nelson, Left OG (Notre Dame) with the 2nd pick.
And, Billy Price, Center (Ohio Sate) with the 34th pick.
They both start from the first day of practice and all of a sudden Eli (or someone else) has a much cleaner pocket and our running backs will see holes that haven't been there for years.
Nelson and Price are very safe picks for a desperate unit that's a perennial NFL bottom feeder.
ps Quenton Nelson plays at a shockingly high level. I'll leave it to professionals to provide a full evaluation, but here's one observation -- Quenton Nelson is liking having two guys on the field in one body. The way he puts his helmet on multiple defenders on a given play is amazing. Oh, man, would this guy look good in Blue! A much bigger Chris Snee with double his athleticism -- (and Chris Snee could be the greatest guard in Giants history IMO).
We need to draft OL and we need to hit on them. I don't care if it is round 1, 2 or 3. I'd prefer an and for to get at least 2 picks.
While I have looked at the FA OL, I haven't looked at FA LB. I think we can probably find some marginal upgrades there or at minimal tread water.
Even if we draft a QB, we need to go all in on OL.
Finding a good QB is the hardest thing to do in the NFL and when you have a shot at a QB who could be great, you take it.
The Giants are at the top of a QB rich draft and in need of a QB for the future. The Giants ARE taking a QB with their first pick.
I would also resign Fluker, and let Pugh and Weston walk. Pugh is too injured and Weston R. has taken a step back every year since year 2.
I think the fix for the OL will largely depend on what slot we pick in the upcoming draft.
Top 3 pick scenario:
If we have a top 3 pick, it will most likely be a QB picked in this slot, so I would say lets draft a center in the 2nd round. A good one should still be available in this range.
Top 5-10 pick scenario:
In this case, we go with the best guard in the draft and I think we use round 2 on another position of need. We use FA to sign a center in this case.
RT is where they really need to assess what they have this year, not so sure if we have an answer there. Maybe another year in the weight room will really help.
You don't get many chances to draft a blue chip QB. If you covet one and he's there carrying the grade, you pick him and set the foundation for ten years.
QB > OG
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but if we use the 2nd pick in the draft to select a guard, I will be pissed off.
Agree. Wouldn't take him before 5.
We need to draft OL and we need to hit on them. I don't care if it is round 1, 2 or 3. I'd prefer an and for to get at least 2 picks.
While I have looked at the FA OL, I haven't looked at FA LB. I think we can probably find some marginal upgrades there or at minimal tread water.
Even if we draft a QB, we need to go all in on OL.
I would be ok with PUGH if he could stay healthy. He may actually stand a better chance staying healthy at LT than guard. I think too much was made of his size flaws as his technique is far superior to the larger Flowers..
If Flowers can be moved to RT (still a big if) then we might be able to keep Pugh. Re-sign Fluker and have him at RG. That is scary in terms of Pass Pro on the Right but the size of those two should help offset the limitations.
That leaves Center and LG as positions needing to be filled. Jones is a backup and that is it.
When we drafted Eli, we got Snee too.. Perhaps we go QB and G again...
Any possibility at all of Richardson being able to play center?
I jest. Of course there will be.
People think if we just draft OL high, that will solve it.
When Richburg was taken in the second round, most were very happy with the pick. He looked very good in year 2 (first year at C). Now everyone bitches about him.
Getting a good coaching staff is way more important than just drafting OL in every round. And a franchise QB is 100 times more important than getting a top OG.
Guards can be a factor but ultimately they aren't the reason you get over the top. We won a Super Bowl with Kevin Boothe at LG.
But certainly not if you have a top 2 pick and a QB is there for the taking. Even if Eli plays next year, hell even if he plays in 2019...we need to not be scrambling when he's done for good.
The draft isn't only about 2018 success.
That said, I really hope we dont do Eli like we did Coughlin. IE finally fix the personnel AFTER you get rid of him.
If it's Gettleman or Dorsey, will they covet the QB or try and fix the roster first from the inside out?
If it's not obvious that the top two are worth it, jonc is correct, it is a long term project.
The guard is apparently a very unusual one. It is possible you get what you need at QB in pick 12 of the 2019 draft or something like that.
Is it possible that Darnold and Rosen both are not that great?
Sure.
Mayfield is a great college QB, but even the best draft analysts have no clue what to expect from him. He could be the next Manziel or the next Russell Wilson. Lamar Jackson could be the next Cunningham or the next RG3. Allen has played against very low competition and hasn't done that well to stand out.
Everyone is sticking to the narratives that were put out earlier in the year that this was going to be an all-time QB draft class. Now that the college season is over, that narrative is old and no longer true.
Mayfield is a great college QB, but even the best draft analysts have no clue what to expect from him. He could be the next Manziel or the next Russell Wilson. Lamar Jackson could be the next Cunningham or the next RG3. Allen has played against very low competition and hasn't done that well to stand out.
Everyone is sticking to the narratives that were put out earlier in the year that this was going to be an all-time QB draft class. Now that the college season is over, that narrative is old and no longer true.
Not all time great, but the best overall class in at least a couple of years.
I am a big fan of Price and would love to see the Giants take him with their 2nd pick even if it meant trading back up into the end of round 1. I am a firm believer that the Giants have to come away with their next franchise QB in the draft.
Second I don't buy that this is an "all time" QB draft. The only guy who looks like a sure top thing is Rosen, and I guess I hear there are some character issues there. There is a published narrative that last years QB class sucked, which again I don't buy. Well right now IMO I'd take the class of Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, Mahommes, Webb, Peterman, and Breathard over this years class. You can't tell until these guys get into the NFL, we have seen that for decades.
IMO, if Eli stays we go RB and OL in Round 1 and 2. Play Eli and bring Webb along as #2. If Eli goes then we need a guy to play now, so we have to draft a QB this year to compete with Webb. I would take an OL and QB in Rd #1 and #2.
by the way I heard an analysis from a ex-GM, it might have been Polian, and he said so far in his QB study he doesn't see much difference between the top 5 QB's in this draft. So he thinks you can wait until Rd 1 (if you're in the market for a QB), and grab someone like Allen, Jackson, or Mayfield, and be just as well off.
Mayfield is a great college QB, but even the best draft analysts have no clue what to expect from him. He could be the next Manziel or the next Russell Wilson. Lamar Jackson could be the next Cunningham or the next RG3. Allen has played against very low competition and hasn't done that well to stand out.
Everyone is sticking to the narratives that were put out earlier in the year that this was going to be an all-time QB draft class. Now that the college season is over, that narrative is old and no longer true.
What QB doesn't have question marks? There were many who had questions about Peyton Manning and felt Ryan Leaf was the superior prospect. As far as I remember the only recent QB prospect that was considered a sure thing was Andrew Luck. Aaron Rodgers had several majors question marks coming out (style of offense in college, throwing motion)
Prior to this year, this draft class was talked about with the likes of '83 and '04. Now, not so much. There is the Top 2 and a ton of uncertainty after that.
Second I don't buy that this is an "all time" QB draft. The only guy who looks like a sure top thing is Rosen, and I guess I hear there are some character issues there. There is a published narrative that last years QB class sucked, which again I don't buy. Well right now IMO I'd take the class of Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, Mahommes, Webb, Peterman, and Breathard over this years class. You can't tell until these guys get into the NFL, we have seen that for decades.
IMO, if Eli stays we go RB and OL in Round 1 and 2. Play Eli and bring Webb along as #2. If Eli goes then we need a guy to play now, so we have to draft a QB this year to compete with Webb. I would take an OL and QB in Rd #1 and #2.
by the way I heard an analysis from a ex-GM, it might have been Polian, and he said so far in his QB study he doesn't see much difference between the top 5 QB's in this draft. So he thinks you can wait until Rd 1 (if you're in the market for a QB), and grab someone like Allen, Jackson, or Mayfield, and be just as well off.
Who are Mahommes and Breathard? I tried to check Pro Football Reference but got no hits for either name. Maybe if they had some family members who were involved in professional sports that would make their names easier to recognize (or spell).
And the Giants aren't drafting for one more year of Eli, no matter how much you want your fairy tale to come true. They're going to draft for the next decade of the franchise.
Look at Goff and Wentz. I'm sure guys like Polian said all kinds of negatives about their games.
It depends on whether the player wants to be great, and the situation they are in.
If you think Darnold or Rosen can be a great QB, there's absolutely no reason at all that I can think of why you wouldn't take either of them if you are in the Giants situation.
As far as taking a guard in the top 5. I just think that's a terrible way to manage your resources. Top 5 picks are the highest paid draft picks and should be franchise type cornerstones. A guard is not one of those players. They can't impact a game on an every down basis like a QB, WR, shut down CB, or DE.
I'm sick of this "Darnold's throwing motion is a bit slow" bullshit. Means absolutely nothing. The guy has everything you look for and single handedly won a Rose Bowl by himself in his first season at QB. What else do you want?
For me it was Zach Martin
You don't get many chances to draft a blue chip QB. If you covet one and he's there carrying the grade, you pick him and set the foundation for ten years.
QB > OG
That's if you assume Webb will fail and that whoever you draft will not be a bust. Possible, but by no means a sure thing on either count.
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First, why not take a G high? If you think he's a 10 year guy, and a future All-Pro, why not? This theory of trading down to get your top G will not work. If Nelson is there when we pick, and he's our guy, we need to draft him.
Second I don't buy that this is an "all time" QB draft. The only guy who looks like a sure top thing is Rosen, and I guess I hear there are some character issues there. There is a published narrative that last years QB class sucked, which again I don't buy. Well right now IMO I'd take the class of Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, Mahommes, Webb, Peterman, and Breathard over this years class. You can't tell until these guys get into the NFL, we have seen that for decades.
IMO, if Eli stays we go RB and OL in Round 1 and 2. Play Eli and bring Webb along as #2. If Eli goes then we need a guy to play now, so we have to draft a QB this year to compete with Webb. I would take an OL and QB in Rd #1 and #2.
by the way I heard an analysis from a ex-GM, it might have been Polian, and he said so far in his QB study he doesn't see much difference between the top 5 QB's in this draft. So he thinks you can wait until Rd 1 (if you're in the market for a QB), and grab someone like Allen, Jackson, or Mayfield, and be just as well off.
Who are Mahommes and Breathard? I tried to check Pro Football Reference but got no hits for either name. Maybe if they had some family members who were involved in professional sports that would make their names easier to recognize (or spell).
And the Giants aren't drafting for one more year of Eli, no matter how much you want your fairy tale to come true. They're going to draft for the next decade of the franchise.
You know who I meant, sorry my spelling isn't up to your high standards.
I also have said that I would like to trade down if we cannot get Barkley and we don't love one of the defensive players like Chubb, Fitzpatrick, Key, or James. Then we would concentrate on Nelson & Price along with securing a good LT prospect.
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First, why not take a G high? If you think he's a 10 year guy, and a future All-Pro, why not? This theory of trading down to get your top G will not work. If Nelson is there when we pick, and he's our guy, we need to draft him.
Second I don't buy that this is an "all time" QB draft. The only guy who looks like a sure top thing is Rosen, and I guess I hear there are some character issues there. There is a published narrative that last years QB class sucked, which again I don't buy. Well right now IMO I'd take the class of Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, Mahommes, Webb, Peterman, and Breathard over this years class. You can't tell until these guys get into the NFL, we have seen that for decades.
IMO, if Eli stays we go RB and OL in Round 1 and 2. Play Eli and bring Webb along as #2. If Eli goes then we need a guy to play now, so we have to draft a QB this year to compete with Webb. I would take an OL and QB in Rd #1 and #2.
by the way I heard an analysis from a ex-GM, it might have been Polian, and he said so far in his QB study he doesn't see much difference between the top 5 QB's in this draft. So he thinks you can wait until Rd 1 (if you're in the market for a QB), and grab someone like Allen, Jackson, or Mayfield, and be just as well off.
Who are Mahommes and Breathard? I tried to check Pro Football Reference but got no hits for either name. Maybe if they had some family members who were involved in professional sports that would make their names easier to recognize (or spell).
And the Giants aren't drafting for one more year of Eli, no matter how much you want your fairy tale to come true. They're going to draft for the next decade of the franchise.
You know who I meant, sorry my spelling isn't up to your high standards.
Also it is possible that the Giants think Eli has another 2 years left, and that Webb is the next QB. Maybe you don't agree, however it is possible. In this scenario they could definitely go OL and RB (or OL and OL) in this draft. I get people have opinions, but nothing is definite at this time.
Geno looked fine last week? What game were you watching? He barely broke 200 yards passing, threw a pick, and fumbled twice. In my book, that's not very good.
And Gordon King?
Rodgers was a first rounder......
I remember when we traded back up into the first round back in 84' , after picking LB-Carl Banks at #3, and getting LT-William Roberts out of Ohio St. who eventually became our starting LG.
The best was 88' & 89' when Young used his top two picks each year on OL in Eric Moore, Jumbo Elliot, Brian Williams and Bob Kratch. In the midst of winning a Super Bowl we also came up with a backfield in the early 90's that consisted of Hampton, Bunch, Meggett, & Lewis Tillman. We had the best combo of blocking TEs in the league in Bavaro & Howard Cross. Then Handley screwed the pooch.
I also have said that I would like to trade down if we cannot get Barkley and we don't love one of the defensive players like Chubb, Fitzpatrick, Key, or James. Then we would concentrate on Nelson & Price along with securing a good LT prospect.
The Giants would have to mortgage the future to come away with two top 5 picks in Barkley and Nelson plus a late 1st rounder in Price. They would then not have high picks for at least two years so where would they get their next QB??
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How will look at the team when Eli's shot, shortly down the road?
You don't get many chances to draft a blue chip QB. If you covet one and he's there carrying the grade, you pick him and set the foundation for ten years.
QB > OG
That's if you assume Webb will fail and that whoever you draft will not be a bust. Possible, but by no means a sure thing on either count.
No draft pick is a sure thing, but a top 3 QB is a good gamble.
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First, why not take a G high? If you think he's a 10 year guy, and a future All-Pro, why not? This theory of trading down to get your top G will not work. If Nelson is there when we pick, and he's our guy, we need to draft him.
Second I don't buy that this is an "all time" QB draft. The only guy who looks like a sure top thing is Rosen, and I guess I hear there are some character issues there. There is a published narrative that last years QB class sucked, which again I don't buy. Well right now IMO I'd take the class of Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, Mahommes, Webb, Peterman, and Breathard over this years class. You can't tell until these guys get into the NFL, we have seen that for decades.
IMO, if Eli stays we go RB and OL in Round 1 and 2. Play Eli and bring Webb along as #2. If Eli goes then we need a guy to play now, so we have to draft a QB this year to compete with Webb. I would take an OL and QB in Rd #1 and #2.
by the way I heard an analysis from a ex-GM, it might have been Polian, and he said so far in his QB study he doesn't see much difference between the top 5 QB's in this draft. So he thinks you can wait until Rd 1 (if you're in the market for a QB), and grab someone like Allen, Jackson, or Mayfield, and be just as well off.
Who are Mahommes and Breathard? I tried to check Pro Football Reference but got no hits for either name. Maybe if they had some family members who were involved in professional sports that would make their names easier to recognize (or spell).
And the Giants aren't drafting for one more year of Eli, no matter how much you want your fairy tale to come true. They're going to draft for the next decade of the franchise.
You know who I meant, sorry my spelling isn't up to your high standards.
Also it is possible that the Giants think Eli has another 2 years left, and that Webb is the next QB. Maybe you don't agree, however it is possible. In this scenario they could definitely go OL and RB (or OL and OL) in this draft. I get people have opinions, but nothing is definite at this time.
Oh, that's definitely why Mara gave the directive to look at the young QBs on the roster and to scout the college QB prospects. Because they think the Manning/Webb combo is the short and long term solution.
This really isn't complicated.
It stands to reason that the GiIANTS will start ELI next year with WEBB as a backup. With the disaster that was left by REESE there will be plenty of other positional needs.
It stands to reason that the GiIANTS will start ELI next year with WEBB as a backup. With the disaster that was left by REESE there will be plenty of other positional needs.
Capitalizing random WORDS doesn't make your point more TRUE. I think you're way OFF on your take and when you have a CHANCE to set your team up with franchise QB for the next DECADE or more, you don't PASS on that OPPORTUNITY.
They also took an offensive tackle last year in the DRAFT, should they not look to ADD to the offensive LINE?
It stands to reason that the GiIANTS will start ELI next year with WEBB as a backup. With the disaster that was left by REESE there will be plenty of other positional needs.
Reese picked Webb last year. The new GM will have no ties to him and will want to take his own QB in the draft. The Giants haven't picked this high since 2004 so they won't pass on a potential franchise QB.
Rosen has the talent package, but they'd better be sure he wants it badly enough given the questions centered on him growing up with affluence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oehb8dzrQBg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JofxB5-CX5w
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000818298/article/darnold-working-to-tweak-throwing-motion-for-shorter-delivery
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/07/05/usc-qb-sam-darnold-working-with-jordan-palmer-to-shorten-throwing-motion/