really hoping Accorsi makes the right recommendation here, because I'm thinking while Mara is a great owner, he might not have the best eye for front office talent.
The Giants hit on Coughlin/Manning. I’d argue 2016 was a bandaid move in attempts to get 2-3 more years out of Manning.
GM/HC/QB need to be hit here. Very crucial.
Not even close. The GM pick here is much, much, much more important than the head coach if they keep the same type of organizational structure (which they most likely will do if Accorsi is advising them).
And just have a hunch that the Giants will go with trusted familiarity and pick Gettleman. It might strike many as uninspiring, but I think he did a good job in Carolina and from the sound of it, was fired for the wrong reasons. He made the right calls on D'Angelo Williams and Josh Norman. And it's hard to argue with the Panthers draft track record while he was GM.
Curious who you are leaning towards/who you'd like to see.
RE: Agree it probably winds up needing to be outside their comfort zone Â
The fanbase would be excited to see bold moves. I see them going safe with the GM pick and bold with the coach.
My hope would be David Shaw, but that's not happening. Harbaugh and Saban would be very hard to get, but I think the Giants will inquire. Not sure if McDaniels falls under bold, but he has a solid resume.
Your insights are a great contribution to this site. What do you think...or what do you want to see happen?
and that they conduct a thorough search and interview more than ONE candidate. They need to talk to at least 3-4. This affects the next 5-10 years of your franchise. You MUST get it right..
is going to have a very long rope. So yes, they HAVE to nail this. Firing a GM represents a massive, long term organizational sea change. It doesn't and shouldn't happen often.
if he makes a mistake and chooses someone like matt millen, it could mean a dark decade ahead.
if he hits a home run and gets a brilliant candidate who knows how to identify top talent, build a successful team for the long run, and knows how to manage the cap and the tough decisions that need to be made in free agency, it can set us up for sustained success.
I'd love to emulate the steelers, who are competitive in the regular season year after year, consistently make the playoffs and succeed in bringing in pro bowl talent through the draft.
Seemed to indicate the Giants should take their time in finding a GM. I agree, to a point. I don't think they can take too long. It is entirely possible that the HC candidate they want will be available before many high profile GM candidates. I don't think the Giants want to hire the coach before the GM, which means they may have to get the GM installed before mid January.
RE: Agree it probably winds up needing to be outside their comfort zone Â
Have you heard anything in the last few days to indicate which direction they may head in?
I assume they want the GM search off the ground immediately and Accorsi is getting his ducks in a row.
Also, what is your vision? Any preference for HC?
College? Young coordinator? Is there a retread that appeals to you? Big name? Gruden? Saban? Offense? Defense?
Too early but I heard one blast from the past name who might somehow be involved.
I think the new head coach has to be a big personality to deal with Eli's coming departure (either this offseason or the next) and Odell (unless the new GM has the balls to part ways with Odell).
My preference is for someone who believes in physical football.
he certainly feels pressure, as any successful person is competitive and wants to be the best. But its still a class oragnization and seen as one of the best in sports.
I'm as frustrated and disappointed as anyone else, but fans have spiraled out of control....with their expectations.
The Patriots are the clear model of the NFL....and then its everyone else. This team made the playoffs last year...I'm not saying you rest on your laurels, but there are teams in this league that have barely made the playoffs in the last 10-12 years. These last 6-7 years have been highly inconsistent for the Giants....but that's todays NFL. The root of it has been poor draft picks in the 3rd- 5th round. If they can better at that, they'll be a more consistent contender...and I think they'll be fine. Its too strong of a brand, and too solid of an organization to fall into the bottom half of the league.
He really has to change it up here. No more promoting from within Â
The Giants hit on Coughlin/Manning. I’d argue 2016 was a bandaid move in attempts to get 2-3 more years out of Manning.
I agree that 2016 was a bandaid, but I disagree that 2003 was as bad. We were 2 years off a SB appearance, and a year off of a very winnable playoff game (ugh!). Last year was our first playoff appearance in 5 years, after 2 6-10 seasons, and we weren't all that competitive in the WC game.
I agree with Eric that the franchise is at a crossroads. In 2003, Wellington had regained much of the trust squandered in the 70's, I'm not sure John has done much to gain that trust. I know I am very uncertain about his ability to make the right decisions, and to correct them when he doesn't.
Have you heard anything in the last few days to indicate which direction they may head in?
I assume they want the GM search off the ground immediately and Accorsi is getting his ducks in a row.
Also, what is your vision? Any preference for HC?
College? Young coordinator? Is there a retread that appeals to you? Big name? Gruden? Saban? Offense? Defense?
Too early but I heard one blast from the past name who might somehow be involved.
I think the new head coach has to be a big personality to deal with Eli's coming departure (either this offseason or the next) and Odell (unless the new GM has the balls to part ways with Odell).
My preference is for someone who believes in physical football.
I think fans need to brace themselves for the trade of OBJ. Mara in the Michael Kay interview expressed his opinion that he would like Odell, but said that it will be up to the new GM. In that same interview, Mara said he sat down with Odell and showed him the picture of the dog-urinating celebration. He asked Odell if he wants that to be his legacy. My impression is that John is growing tired of the sit-downs with Odell in his short tenure. Putting the decision on the new GM and knowing the GM will have a long leash, that GM might decide not to commit such large financial resources into a single player while leveraging the value of Odell in addressing the numerous holes on the roster.
Have you heard anything in the last few days to indicate which direction they may head in?
I assume they want the GM search off the ground immediately and Accorsi is getting his ducks in a row.
Also, what is your vision? Any preference for HC?
College? Young coordinator? Is there a retread that appeals to you? Big name? Gruden? Saban? Offense? Defense?
Too early but I heard one blast from the past name who might somehow be involved.
I think the new head coach has to be a big personality to deal with Eli's coming departure (either this offseason or the next) and Odell (unless the new GM has the balls to part ways with Odell).
My preference is for someone who believes in physical football.
I think fans need to brace themselves for the trade of OBJ. Mara in the Michael Kay interview expressed his opinion that he would like Odell, but said that it will be up to the new GM. In that same interview, Mara said he sat down with Odell and showed him the picture of the dog-urinating celebration. He asked Odell if he wants that to be his legacy. My impression is that John is growing tired of the sit-downs with Odell in his short tenure. Putting the decision on the new GM and knowing the GM will have a long leash, that GM might decide not to commit such large financial resources into a single player while leveraging the value of Odell in addressing the numerous holes on the roster.
I did not read those comments quite the same way. Also, I don't think you trade a WR coming off a broken ankle. His stock took a hit due to injury.
Also, I think ideally the Giants want to keep their weapons in place as they transition to a young QB. We've all see how average Eli is without weapons, imagine what a young QB looks like without weapons in the passing game. I think the Giants want to bring in a coach that will gain the respect of the locker room and one that is not afraid to communicate with and discipline OBJ. The owner should never have had to get involved in the dog peeing incident. McAdoo failed to address it properly.
Have you heard anything in the last few days to indicate which direction they may head in?
I assume they want the GM search off the ground immediately and Accorsi is getting his ducks in a row.
Also, what is your vision? Any preference for HC?
College? Young coordinator? Is there a retread that appeals to you? Big name? Gruden? Saban? Offense? Defense?
Too early but I heard one blast from the past name who might somehow be involved.
I think the new head coach has to be a big personality to deal with Eli's coming departure (either this offseason or the next) and Odell (unless the new GM has the balls to part ways with Odell).
My preference is for someone who believes in physical football.
Eric, I also want a head coach who will return to physical football, which is why Shaw, Saban, and Harbaugh appeal to me. Not sure if any of the are realistic, but they certainly fit that mold.
McDaniels has shown an ability to execute multiple styles of offense, just not sure if he really is HC material. How about this thought. What if the Mara's go all out, literally back up the brinks truck for any of the above mentioned college coaches. Would be bold.
if I start seeing the usual parade of retreads then we are in for some pain. They have a UNIQUE opportunity to get this right. We are at the bottom with no oline, no coach, no GM and a QB that is going to be moving along soon. The culture can be changed as well. They also need to consider tossing out the known bad apple players too that are a distraction.
Agree completely. If they screw this up it will be a '64-'80 Â
Have you heard anything in the last few days to indicate which direction they may head in?
I assume they want the GM search off the ground immediately and Accorsi is getting his ducks in a row.
Also, what is your vision? Any preference for HC?
College? Young coordinator? Is there a retread that appeals to you? Big name? Gruden? Saban? Offense? Defense?
Too early but I heard one blast from the past name who might somehow be involved.
I think the new head coach has to be a big personality to deal with Eli's coming departure (either this offseason or the next) and Odell (unless the new GM has the balls to part ways with Odell).
My preference is for someone who believes in physical football.
Eric, I also want a head coach who will return to physical football, which is why Shaw, Saban, and Harbaugh appeal to me. Not sure if any of the are realistic, but they certainly fit that mold.
McDaniels has shown an ability to execute multiple styles of offense, just not sure if he really is HC material. How about this thought. What if the Mara's go all out, literally back up the brinks truck for any of the above mentioned college coaches. Would be bold.
One thing is pretty clear to me, what do they do with Eli if they want to continue with WCO. That seems like an elephant in the room given the McAdoo experiment.
Have you heard anything in the last few days to indicate which direction they may head in?
I assume they want the GM search off the ground immediately and Accorsi is getting his ducks in a row.
Also, what is your vision? Any preference for HC?
College? Young coordinator? Is there a retread that appeals to you? Big name? Gruden? Saban? Offense? Defense?
Too early but I heard one blast from the past name who might somehow be involved.
I think the new head coach has to be a big personality to deal with Eli's coming departure (either this offseason or the next) and Odell (unless the new GM has the balls to part ways with Odell).
My preference is for someone who believes in physical football.
You mean if "Mara has the balls" to part ways with Odell. No way a GM trades him unless Mara is on board with it.
RE: Agree it probably winds up needing to be outside their comfort zone Â
Mara has already said that it will be the GM's decision. By giving the new GM full control, it insulates Mara from any unpopular decision. Any new GM will have a long leash so brace yourself for tough decisions being made on personnel.
My view, for what it's worth, the Defense is still Â
relatively young and can get back to what it was last year with some investment in the LB position, perhaps another CB and more pass rushers and better depth at DT.
Offensively, the receiver weapons are there. Obviously, the OL needs to be fixed with at least one high draft pick and some FA signings or perhaps finally moving people around to their right positions (Flowers to RT).
So the final question is Eli...all things being equal, does he still have it? I feel he does but that may be the biggest question of all. If we are in the top 5, we certainly have to look at a QB unless they feel Webb can be that guy with more seasoning. If we do feel Eli still has it, no question with upgrading the OL, we can be a contender and make a run.
The crossroads, as I see it, is whether to stay with Eli or move on.
that the Giants will utilize a version of the WCO next season. Again , WCO does not necessarily mean "wussy ball."
Eric's observation is prescient . This is a crossroads moment in team history. I watched Ralph V on SNY last night trumpeting a possible Spagnuolo hire . These are very dangerous times .
My own feeling is that Mara will screw it up. For 4 years I've been writing that the decline in this program was directly attributed to his degree of involvement , which has increased over that period. Witness the work product:
1. Lousy roster . Let's be honest here .
2. Poor cap situation , which needn't be detrimental but is because of the fundamentalist manner that the Giants utilize it.
3. Sea change decision on Beckham that's going to hurt either way.
4. Turning an under-performer at quarterback into an untouchable even though everybody in the league knows he can't play except the Giants. As for his ex-teammates fawning support, well note they are X. They are retired . Get it?
Tough gig. Mara used to cry like a little girl when the bullies at the exclusive school in Rye used to mock out his Dad's team. Well he's crying again, 50 years later .
Mara has already said that it will be the GM's decision. By giving the new GM full control, it insulates Mara from any unpopular decision. Any new GM will have a long leash so brace yourself for tough decisions being made on personnel.
Gettleman being hired as an assistant GM type role with the front office. Because of his age, he probably won't get another GM job again. Gettleman + a young and up and coming guy as actual GM would be tremendous.
Gettleman + Abrahms might not be too bad a fit at all.
I think it may be more important to get a person outside the organization at HC simply because the ties to the franchise of guys out there are pretty weak. TC's coaching tree was bare and most of the other ties are from a long time ago.
Don't sleep on Abrahms, He's a capable numbers guy. He may need some seasoning on personnel moves, but I don't know.
Gettleman + Abrahms might not be too bad a fit at all.
I think it may be more important to get a person outside the organization at HC simply because the ties to the franchise of guys out there are pretty weak. TC's coaching tree was bare and most of the other ties are from a long time ago.
Don't sleep on Abrahms, He's a capable numbers guy. He may need some seasoning on personnel moves, but I don't know.
I'm liking your idea on this more and more. Abrams with Gettleman as the Consigliere couldbe very effective. Gettleman offsets Abrams lack of Personnel background, Abrams stil has the cap genius and offsets Gettleman's age.
Whatever pressure you are describing is self-imposed and completely inconsequential.
There is no downside to Mara going FUBAR. He will not lose his job. His family won't suffer. His business will continue to appreciate in value so long as TV contracts remain robust. His stadium is sold out. And he remains famous for no reason other than being born lucky.
Giants go 0-16 next year. He just fires the replacements and starts over again. They have a proven track record of incompetence spanning over 15 years in the 60s and 70s which has not had any lasting negative effects. Quite the opposite, he's personally made about a billion dollars.
This "pressure" we are talking about is total BS. Just enjoy it, whether the team wins or loses. Mara will win either way.
Whatever pressure you are describing is self-imposed and completely inconsequential.
There is no downside to Mara going FUBAR. He will not lose his job. His family won't suffer. His business will continue to appreciate in value so long as TV contracts remain robust. His stadium is sold out. And he remains famous for no reason other than being born lucky.
Giants go 0-16 next year. He just fires the replacements and starts over again. They have a proven track record of incompetence spanning over 15 years in the 60s and 70s which has not had any lasting negative effects. Quite the opposite, he's personally made about a billion dollars.
This "pressure" we are talking about is total BS. Just enjoy it, whether the team wins or loses. Mara will win either way.
One thing that will fascinating for the owners in their quest for a GM and Coach is how they deal with Eli. I suspect some may not come here after watching the previous weeks's shit show and how they could be the next victim. Seems like these owners really need to have a vision or future state and timeline about Eli and the new guy that takes over. If I'm a HC I stay the fuck away from this unless it is in writing or agreed upon. Eli had so much power when TC was around and he exercised it against McAdoo when made that desperation move. What Eli signs up for is going to influence who will come here.
Have you heard anything in the last few days to indicate which direction they may head in?
I assume they want the GM search off the ground immediately and Accorsi is getting his ducks in a row.
Also, what is your vision? Any preference for HC?
College? Young coordinator? Is there a retread that appeals to you? Big name? Gruden? Saban? Offense? Defense?
Too early but I heard one blast from the past name who might somehow be involved.
I think the new head coach has to be a big personality to deal with Eli's coming departure (either this offseason or the next) and Odell (unless the new GM has the balls to part ways with Odell).
My preference is for someone who believes in physical football.
Have you heard anything in the last few days to indicate which direction they may head in?
I assume they want the GM search off the ground immediately and Accorsi is getting his ducks in a row.
Also, what is your vision? Any preference for HC?
College? Young coordinator? Is there a retread that appeals to you? Big name? Gruden? Saban? Offense? Defense?
Too early but I heard one blast from the past name who might somehow be involved.
I think the new head coach has to be a big personality to deal with Eli's coming departure (either this offseason or the next) and Odell (unless the new GM has the balls to part ways with Odell).
My preference is for someone who believes in physical football.
I will disagree with my good friend Eric to a degree in that to compare this to 1978 is a little overdramatic. However, I do think it is potentially a key moment in the team's evolution. But not the G.M. choice. There are literally a slew of smart football guys out there who can come and do a good job as G.M. Same with head coach. The key is the QB decision. The Giants are almost assuredly going to take a QB with their #1 pick (and if they don't then we do have to worry) and if they get the right guy you put yourself in a position to have another really nice 10-12 year run. If your guy busts and you may be looking at an extended bumbling stretch. Obviously there other spots that need work, some more than others, but in this day and age QB is just so important. As I've noted in other posts the draft is a crap shoot and no matter how smart a GM we do get in here, ultimately when the Giants make their pick on April 26th the chances of success (and they are pretty high when you're picking top 2-3) still aren't much higher than that of a monkey throwing darts at a dart board. The other ironic part of the issue is that there is a very good probability that the guy the Giants end up selecting on April 26th, especially if they do end up picking in the top 2-3, will be the same player they would have taken if Jerry Reese were still around given that circumstances ie who is actually available will be the key driver of the pick.
Reese and McAdoo, are the assistant coaches getting a pass? I am concerned, that part of Reese's failures are with the entire coaching staff, doing a poor job of player development. It's hard to prove exactly, but with so many misses on draft choices with promise, there has to be some culpability on the coaches themselves. And, I am not referring to McAdoo, rather the assistants and entire coaching staff.
GM/HC/QB need to be hit here. Very crucial.
GM/HC/QB need to be hit here. Very crucial.
Not even close. The GM pick here is much, much, much more important than the head coach if they keep the same type of organizational structure (which they most likely will do if Accorsi is advising them).
I assume they want the GM search off the ground immediately and Accorsi is getting his ducks in a row.
Also, what is your vision? Any preference for HC?
College? Young coordinator? Is there a retread that appeals to you? Big name? Gruden? Saban? Offense? Defense?
Curious who you are leaning towards/who you'd like to see.
The fanbase would be excited to see bold moves. I see them going safe with the GM pick and bold with the coach.
My hope would be David Shaw, but that's not happening. Harbaugh and Saban would be very hard to get, but I think the Giants will inquire. Not sure if McDaniels falls under bold, but he has a solid resume.
Your insights are a great contribution to this site. What do you think...or what do you want to see happen?
Big decision.
if he hits a home run and gets a brilliant candidate who knows how to identify top talent, build a successful team for the long run, and knows how to manage the cap and the tough decisions that need to be made in free agency, it can set us up for sustained success.
I'd love to emulate the steelers, who are competitive in the regular season year after year, consistently make the playoffs and succeed in bringing in pro bowl talent through the draft.
Off-season can't come soon enough.
What I want to see also
I assume they want the GM search off the ground immediately and Accorsi is getting his ducks in a row.
Also, what is your vision? Any preference for HC?
College? Young coordinator? Is there a retread that appeals to you? Big name? Gruden? Saban? Offense? Defense?
Too early but I heard one blast from the past name who might somehow be involved.
I think the new head coach has to be a big personality to deal with Eli's coming departure (either this offseason or the next) and Odell (unless the new GM has the balls to part ways with Odell).
My preference is for someone who believes in physical football.
I'm as frustrated and disappointed as anyone else, but fans have spiraled out of control....with their expectations.
The Patriots are the clear model of the NFL....and then its everyone else. This team made the playoffs last year...I'm not saying you rest on your laurels, but there are teams in this league that have barely made the playoffs in the last 10-12 years. These last 6-7 years have been highly inconsistent for the Giants....but that's todays NFL. The root of it has been poor draft picks in the 3rd- 5th round. If they can better at that, they'll be a more consistent contender...and I think they'll be fine. Its too strong of a brand, and too solid of an organization to fall into the bottom half of the league.
The Giants new 10 year period is beginning. The last 10 has had 2 Super Bowl rings. The 10 before had none. The 10 before that had 2 Super Bowl rings.
Its a cross roads no doubt, but I think they'll be fine. We're not organization that acts impulsive with knee jerk picks. (Jonny Manziel types).
I agree that 2016 was a bandaid, but I disagree that 2003 was as bad. We were 2 years off a SB appearance, and a year off of a very winnable playoff game (ugh!). Last year was our first playoff appearance in 5 years, after 2 6-10 seasons, and we weren't all that competitive in the WC game.
I agree with Eric that the franchise is at a crossroads. In 2003, Wellington had regained much of the trust squandered in the 70's, I'm not sure John has done much to gain that trust. I know I am very uncertain about his ability to make the right decisions, and to correct them when he doesn't.
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Have you heard anything in the last few days to indicate which direction they may head in?
I assume they want the GM search off the ground immediately and Accorsi is getting his ducks in a row.
Also, what is your vision? Any preference for HC?
College? Young coordinator? Is there a retread that appeals to you? Big name? Gruden? Saban? Offense? Defense?
Too early but I heard one blast from the past name who might somehow be involved.
I think the new head coach has to be a big personality to deal with Eli's coming departure (either this offseason or the next) and Odell (unless the new GM has the balls to part ways with Odell).
My preference is for someone who believes in physical football.
I think fans need to brace themselves for the trade of OBJ. Mara in the Michael Kay interview expressed his opinion that he would like Odell, but said that it will be up to the new GM. In that same interview, Mara said he sat down with Odell and showed him the picture of the dog-urinating celebration. He asked Odell if he wants that to be his legacy. My impression is that John is growing tired of the sit-downs with Odell in his short tenure. Putting the decision on the new GM and knowing the GM will have a long leash, that GM might decide not to commit such large financial resources into a single player while leveraging the value of Odell in addressing the numerous holes on the roster.
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Have you heard anything in the last few days to indicate which direction they may head in?
I assume they want the GM search off the ground immediately and Accorsi is getting his ducks in a row.
Also, what is your vision? Any preference for HC?
College? Young coordinator? Is there a retread that appeals to you? Big name? Gruden? Saban? Offense? Defense?
Too early but I heard one blast from the past name who might somehow be involved.
I think the new head coach has to be a big personality to deal with Eli's coming departure (either this offseason or the next) and Odell (unless the new GM has the balls to part ways with Odell).
My preference is for someone who believes in physical football.
I think fans need to brace themselves for the trade of OBJ. Mara in the Michael Kay interview expressed his opinion that he would like Odell, but said that it will be up to the new GM. In that same interview, Mara said he sat down with Odell and showed him the picture of the dog-urinating celebration. He asked Odell if he wants that to be his legacy. My impression is that John is growing tired of the sit-downs with Odell in his short tenure. Putting the decision on the new GM and knowing the GM will have a long leash, that GM might decide not to commit such large financial resources into a single player while leveraging the value of Odell in addressing the numerous holes on the roster.
I did not read those comments quite the same way. Also, I don't think you trade a WR coming off a broken ankle. His stock took a hit due to injury.
Also, I think ideally the Giants want to keep their weapons in place as they transition to a young QB. We've all see how average Eli is without weapons, imagine what a young QB looks like without weapons in the passing game. I think the Giants want to bring in a coach that will gain the respect of the locker room and one that is not afraid to communicate with and discipline OBJ. The owner should never have had to get involved in the dog peeing incident. McAdoo failed to address it properly.
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Have you heard anything in the last few days to indicate which direction they may head in?
I assume they want the GM search off the ground immediately and Accorsi is getting his ducks in a row.
Also, what is your vision? Any preference for HC?
College? Young coordinator? Is there a retread that appeals to you? Big name? Gruden? Saban? Offense? Defense?
Too early but I heard one blast from the past name who might somehow be involved.
I think the new head coach has to be a big personality to deal with Eli's coming departure (either this offseason or the next) and Odell (unless the new GM has the balls to part ways with Odell).
My preference is for someone who believes in physical football.
Eric, I also want a head coach who will return to physical football, which is why Shaw, Saban, and Harbaugh appeal to me. Not sure if any of the are realistic, but they certainly fit that mold.
McDaniels has shown an ability to execute multiple styles of offense, just not sure if he really is HC material. How about this thought. What if the Mara's go all out, literally back up the brinks truck for any of the above mentioned college coaches. Would be bold.
Also, agree with Emil about getting back to physical Giants football.
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Have you heard anything in the last few days to indicate which direction they may head in?
I assume they want the GM search off the ground immediately and Accorsi is getting his ducks in a row.
Also, what is your vision? Any preference for HC?
College? Young coordinator? Is there a retread that appeals to you? Big name? Gruden? Saban? Offense? Defense?
Too early but I heard one blast from the past name who might somehow be involved.
I think the new head coach has to be a big personality to deal with Eli's coming departure (either this offseason or the next) and Odell (unless the new GM has the balls to part ways with Odell).
My preference is for someone who believes in physical football.
Eric, I also want a head coach who will return to physical football, which is why Shaw, Saban, and Harbaugh appeal to me. Not sure if any of the are realistic, but they certainly fit that mold.
McDaniels has shown an ability to execute multiple styles of offense, just not sure if he really is HC material. How about this thought. What if the Mara's go all out, literally back up the brinks truck for any of the above mentioned college coaches. Would be bold.
One thing is pretty clear to me, what do they do with Eli if they want to continue with WCO. That seems like an elephant in the room given the McAdoo experiment.
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Have you heard anything in the last few days to indicate which direction they may head in?
I assume they want the GM search off the ground immediately and Accorsi is getting his ducks in a row.
Also, what is your vision? Any preference for HC?
College? Young coordinator? Is there a retread that appeals to you? Big name? Gruden? Saban? Offense? Defense?
Too early but I heard one blast from the past name who might somehow be involved.
I think the new head coach has to be a big personality to deal with Eli's coming departure (either this offseason or the next) and Odell (unless the new GM has the balls to part ways with Odell).
My preference is for someone who believes in physical football.
You mean if "Mara has the balls" to part ways with Odell. No way a GM trades him unless Mara is on board with it.
Agree completely and I do think they will go beyond the usual suspects.
Offensively, the receiver weapons are there. Obviously, the OL needs to be fixed with at least one high draft pick and some FA signings or perhaps finally moving people around to their right positions (Flowers to RT).
So the final question is Eli...all things being equal, does he still have it? I feel he does but that may be the biggest question of all. If we are in the top 5, we certainly have to look at a QB unless they feel Webb can be that guy with more seasoning. If we do feel Eli still has it, no question with upgrading the OL, we can be a contender and make a run.
The crossroads, as I see it, is whether to stay with Eli or move on.
Eric's observation is prescient . This is a crossroads moment in team history. I watched Ralph V on SNY last night trumpeting a possible Spagnuolo hire . These are very dangerous times .
My own feeling is that Mara will screw it up. For 4 years I've been writing that the decline in this program was directly attributed to his degree of involvement , which has increased over that period. Witness the work product:
1. Lousy roster . Let's be honest here .
2. Poor cap situation , which needn't be detrimental but is because of the fundamentalist manner that the Giants utilize it.
3. Sea change decision on Beckham that's going to hurt either way.
4. Turning an under-performer at quarterback into an untouchable even though everybody in the league knows he can't play except the Giants. As for his ex-teammates fawning support, well note they are X. They are retired . Get it?
Tough gig. Mara used to cry like a little girl when the bullies at the exclusive school in Rye used to mock out his Dad's team. Well he's crying again, 50 years later .
That's just for optics my dear friend.
It will be somebody younger than that.
I think it may be more important to get a person outside the organization at HC simply because the ties to the franchise of guys out there are pretty weak. TC's coaching tree was bare and most of the other ties are from a long time ago.
Don't sleep on Abrahms, He's a capable numbers guy. He may need some seasoning on personnel moves, but I don't know.
I think it may be more important to get a person outside the organization at HC simply because the ties to the franchise of guys out there are pretty weak. TC's coaching tree was bare and most of the other ties are from a long time ago.
Don't sleep on Abrahms, He's a capable numbers guy. He may need some seasoning on personnel moves, but I don't know.
I'm liking your idea on this more and more. Abrams with Gettleman as the Consigliere couldbe very effective. Gettleman offsets Abrams lack of Personnel background, Abrams stil has the cap genius and offsets Gettleman's age.
There is no downside to Mara going FUBAR. He will not lose his job. His family won't suffer. His business will continue to appreciate in value so long as TV contracts remain robust. His stadium is sold out. And he remains famous for no reason other than being born lucky.
Giants go 0-16 next year. He just fires the replacements and starts over again. They have a proven track record of incompetence spanning over 15 years in the 60s and 70s which has not had any lasting negative effects. Quite the opposite, he's personally made about a billion dollars.
This "pressure" we are talking about is total BS. Just enjoy it, whether the team wins or loses. Mara will win either way.
There is no downside to Mara going FUBAR. He will not lose his job. His family won't suffer. His business will continue to appreciate in value so long as TV contracts remain robust. His stadium is sold out. And he remains famous for no reason other than being born lucky.
Giants go 0-16 next year. He just fires the replacements and starts over again. They have a proven track record of incompetence spanning over 15 years in the 60s and 70s which has not had any lasting negative effects. Quite the opposite, he's personally made about a billion dollars.
This "pressure" we are talking about is total BS. Just enjoy it, whether the team wins or loses. Mara will win either way.
One thing that will fascinating for the owners in their quest for a GM and Coach is how they deal with Eli. I suspect some may not come here after watching the previous weeks's shit show and how they could be the next victim. Seems like these owners really need to have a vision or future state and timeline about Eli and the new guy that takes over. If I'm a HC I stay the fuck away from this unless it is in writing or agreed upon. Eli had so much power when TC was around and he exercised it against McAdoo when made that desperation move. What Eli signs up for is going to influence who will come here.
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Have you heard anything in the last few days to indicate which direction they may head in?
I assume they want the GM search off the ground immediately and Accorsi is getting his ducks in a row.
Also, what is your vision? Any preference for HC?
College? Young coordinator? Is there a retread that appeals to you? Big name? Gruden? Saban? Offense? Defense?
Too early but I heard one blast from the past name who might somehow be involved.
I think the new head coach has to be a big personality to deal with Eli's coming departure (either this offseason or the next) and Odell (unless the new GM has the balls to part ways with Odell).
My preference is for someone who believes in physical football.
Blast from the past as in Duane Charles Parcells?
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Have you heard anything in the last few days to indicate which direction they may head in?
I assume they want the GM search off the ground immediately and Accorsi is getting his ducks in a row.
Also, what is your vision? Any preference for HC?
College? Young coordinator? Is there a retread that appeals to you? Big name? Gruden? Saban? Offense? Defense?
Too early but I heard one blast from the past name who might somehow be involved.
I think the new head coach has to be a big personality to deal with Eli's coming departure (either this offseason or the next) and Odell (unless the new GM has the balls to part ways with Odell).
My preference is for someone who believes in physical football.
Blast from the past as in Duane Charles Parcells?
too old
What is your obsession with Chris Mara? Do you have any idea about what role he plays in the organization?