He like Eli won 2 SB as a G.M and as bad as some of the drafts were lately he had great ones during the first half o the career and won 2 SB.... The dude never got to hire his own coach and draft his own qb.....You do not see that on long-tenured GM let alone one that won 2 rings. O-line was not fixed but that is also a product of an old qb with zero mobility that cant do shit when someone screams at him. I just feel that if we are going to throw around 2 SB to defend players the same can be said for the GM or coach.
He didn't ignore the offensive line as many have charged. He addressed it incompetently. Same with the linebackers.
Move on...........
It was time for a change.
Another problem, imo is that he appears to have been supportive of Ross, who I think may have been a part of the earlier drafting problems. Whatever was wrong with the drafting for several years, Reese took it upon himself to fix without changing his staff. In the end, that may have cost him his job as well.
The Giants gave him a tremendous opportunity, not sure how they "screwed" him at all. They simply held him accountable in the end for the bad team he produced, just like they told him they would.
If you have respect for him, as I do, be assured he will still have a long, satisfying career in the NFL if he wants it. Lots of people around the league respect the work he's done and would take him on.
Look at the current crew: Goodson Kennard Casillas? What are you expecting to get from these guys?
The huge difference between even the 16 Giants D and truly great 43’s is dominance at the 2nd level. Wagner & Wright are destroyers.
7 year failure to rebuild O-line
7 year failure to rebuild O-line
7 year failure to rebuild O-line
7 year failure to rebuild O-line
So my opinion is not popular among Eli fans makes me a bad or fake fan? Really
Failure to build O-line.
Bye.
- owner selected ben
- Reese decided to optimize specialty positions over oline in draft
- did owners know Eli would be benched or were they only told that Eli would start and then share time with backups.
This whole thing points to organizational incompetence but would be nice to have the facts about "who did what".
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Yup, just another dupe and a shitty one at that
2017: 27th ranked rushing offense
2016: 29th ranked rushing offense
2015: 19th ranked rushing offense
2014: 23rd ranked rushing offense
2013: 29th ranked rushing offense
2012: 14th ranked rushing offense
2011: 32nd ranked rushing offense
I was pro-Reese until that point.
But the decision to not pursue Whitworth indicated, to me, a world of thinking behind that decision which, again in my view, was totally fucked.
Which is one of the main reasons he lasted all the way to 2017 instead of going out with Coughlin in 2015.
He had a great 2007 draft. His 2008 draft was really good, but he got screwed by injuries. After that, he found some nice players but had an increasing number of misses. From 2009 through 2013, he failed to find anybody past the second round. Past 2010, the only guy he's drafted who earned a second contract with the team was JPP.
He got to hire McAdoo.
He inherited a franchise quarterback.
This is a major problem. He inherited a great offensive line that fell apart due to age and injury in 2010. He mostly ignored the offensive line in 2013, and has failed to find productive players despite investing high-round picks.
They had a younger quarterback with more mobility last week, and the results were the same.
Plus, that old quarterback is releasing the football in less than two seconds on average. Any NFL line should be able to hold a block for two seconds.
Is that a knock on Eli's toughness? Because he's got his flaws, but a lack of toughness isn't one of them.
Reese had a great first half of his tenure here. But he's failed to bring in talent consistently for 5 years now. That level of futility is usually enough to get somebody fired.
Not saying I don't think Reese deserves to be gone, he should be. But, as far as McAdoo goes, it has been reported that he wasn't his choice.
2017: 27th ranked rushing offense
2016: 29th ranked rushing offense
2015: 19th ranked rushing offense
2014: 23rd ranked rushing offense
2013: 29th ranked rushing offense
2012: 14th ranked rushing offense
2011: 32nd ranked rushing offense
Did we not win the SB in 2011 with the worst rushing attack in the NFL?
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2017: 27th ranked rushing offense
2016: 29th ranked rushing offense
2015: 19th ranked rushing offense
2014: 23rd ranked rushing offense
2013: 29th ranked rushing offense
2012: 14th ranked rushing offense
2011: 32nd ranked rushing offense
Did we not win the SB in 2011 with the worst rushing attack in the NFL?
Thanks to amazing coaching and quarterbacking. Not a sustainable model.
Antrel Rolle
Drafting/UDFA Receivers (Beckham, Nicks, Cruz, Manningham)
Chris Canty
There were some positions you could tell he didnt place as much value on and rarely spent valuable resources on, most notably LB and TE and to a lesser extent Safety although that seemed to have changed in recent years with the Collins and Thompson picks.
Lastly, the elephant in the room, the OL. There was not as much neglect here as many argue. Not that it's any better but it was more incompetence and to some extent bad luck.
The contract to Geoff Schwartz was a huge setback and helped blow up the 2015 season. Worst mistake.
The OL bad luck was the Will Beatty offseason injury after earning his 2nd contract. This impacted the development of Flowers by force-feeding him on the left side rather than easing in at RT.
Pugh and Richburg have provided mixed results and injury.
I think best argument of neglecting this unit is probably going back to 2016 free agency where maybe if we sign only 2 of Jenkins, Snacks and Vernon, we have money left to solidify the line prior to last season.
All in all, A fair evaluation of Reese, IMO, is that his overall tenure here was successful, but that it was justified and the right time to fire him.
Where is this info coming from?
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2017: 27th ranked rushing offense
2016: 29th ranked rushing offense
2015: 19th ranked rushing offense
2014: 23rd ranked rushing offense
2013: 29th ranked rushing offense
2012: 14th ranked rushing offense
2011: 32nd ranked rushing offense
Did we not win the SB in 2011 with the worst rushing attack in the NFL?
Thanks to amazing coaching and quarterbacking. Not a sustainable model.
Amazing coaching......Did people not want Perry fired in season when we were getting demolished by some teams like the Saints....Eli played great that year...The only year where he was a top 3 qb in his 15 years. See what happens when your FRANCHISE qb can do the job he is paid for? hides the warts of the team. But Eli cant do that any more and just as Reese did not have the best second half of his career, Eli is the same and yet people cried when he was benched and thinks he can play till he is 45
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McAdoo was NOT Reese’s first choice. Clearly a Mara pick.
Where is this info coming from?
Only reason Ben got the gig was because Eli not because Reese was high on him. Did TC not hire Ben as his OC?
Move on...........
That's simply bullshit. Even if you believe EAset the franchise up for success, Reese was Director of Scouting during that time.
Then you'd have to completely dismiss Reese's drafting or acquiring the following players: Steve Smith, Kevin Boss, Bradshaw, Nicks, Cruz, Manningham, kenny Phillps, T. Thomas, Aaron Ross, etc.
All of those players directly contributed to two Super bowls.
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2017: 27th ranked rushing offense
2016: 29th ranked rushing offense
2015: 19th ranked rushing offense
2014: 23rd ranked rushing offense
2013: 29th ranked rushing offense
2012: 14th ranked rushing offense
2011: 32nd ranked rushing offense
Did we not win the SB in 2011 with the worst rushing attack in the NFL?
Thanks to amazing coaching and quarterbacking. Not a sustainable model.
Amazing coaching......Did people not want Perry fired in season when we were getting demolished by some teams like the Saints....Eli played great that year...The only year where he was a top 3 qb in his 15 years. See what happens when your FRANCHISE qb can do the job he is paid for? hides the warts of the team. But Eli cant do that any more and just as Reese did not have the best second half of his career, Eli is the same and yet people cried when he was benched and thinks he can play till he is 45
People that understand football understand the correlation between having a good offensive line and running game with success.
Perry's defense was historically terrible for a four or five game stretch that season, but whatever they did in the playoffs worked.
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2017: 27th ranked rushing offense
2016: 29th ranked rushing offense
2015: 19th ranked rushing offense
2014: 23rd ranked rushing offense
2013: 29th ranked rushing offense
2012: 14th ranked rushing offense
2011: 32nd ranked rushing offense
Did we not win the SB in 2011 with the worst rushing attack in the NFL?
Thanks to amazing coaching and quarterbacking. Not a sustainable model.
Confirmation bias at its finest.
He didn't ignore the offensive line as many have charged. He addressed it incompetently. Same with the linebackers.
He ignored the O Line last offseason, unless you want to
count a Fluker on the cheap. He helped the running game a bit, that's about it.
Bringing Jerry back here was just silly. I don't consider that addressing the O Line in a real way.
He for the most part, just picked up JAGS as linebackers,
hopefully that will change with a new GM and HC!