...do we need another bomber in the line-up, or a stud front line starter?
Maybe down the road both can happen.
Fair point, but theres no starter of Stantons class out there in free agency, and any available by trade command a zillion prospects. Waiting to see who Yanks are sending in return before judging this trade, but sounds like a unique situation where Yanks had major leverage due to Marlins financial constraints with Stanton and his NTC
but not top prospects. If that's the case that sounds pretty awersome. Although, it would be good to have some high contact guys in the lineup. Who do we have that is high contact other than Gardner? Link - ( New Window )
but not top prospects. If that's the case that sounds pretty awersome. Although, it would be good to have some high contact guys in the lineup. Who do we have that is high contact other than Gardner? Link - ( New Window )
It will be interesting how they do the lineup..
Does judge bat in the 2 spot or is it gardener-hicks-sanchez-stanton-judge-didi
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So they have apparently agreed to terms, which means the deals is pending a physical. Sherman noted earlier that a physical for Stanton is not just a formality, because he does have a fairly substantial injury history dating back a decade to high school football.
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Sources: Giancarlo Stanton to the Yankees is nearing completion. There are still hurdles in place, but the parameters of a deal have been agreed upon, as @JonHeyman first said.
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I reported #Yankees are sending at least Castro to #Marlins among veterans and prospects, but not their top ones
Stanton & Prado to the Yankees. While Castro, Headley, Frazier, Andujar & 1 other prospect to the Marlins.
That would go against the no top prospects
Ya, Andujar and Frazier are top prospects. Despite being eight ABs over the min, Frazier is still basically a prospect. If this is the deal, I don't like it.
Frazier makes sense - no home for him with stanton and judge
but I think Frazier being a part of any deal is a given. I'd give up both if Ellsbury was being taken off our hands. But if they are only taking Castro's and Headley's salary then Id rather give up just one of Anujar or Frazier. Frazier leaving makes sense as he will be stuck in the minors for a couple of years with the Yanks.
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No other major leaguers are going to #Marlins in the Stanton trade besides Castro according to Marlins source
I'd say if the deal gets done then I don't see the Yanks being in
play for either Harper or Machado next year. And I'm fine with that. Stantons current contract isn't too bad when compared to what Harper is gonna demand. I've heard baseball people say he's looking at a $400 million deal. And in a few years the Yanks are gonna have to pay their own guys as well. Having Stanton along with Judge, Sanchez, and Bird I. The lineup gives the Yanks the luxury of having younger players like Torres be in the lineup.
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Does that mean 40 man or guys who actually played in a major league game? Could that possibly mean no Frazier or andujar? That would be great news
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No other major leaguers are going to #Marlins in the Stanton trade besides Castro according to Marlins source
So that TMZ thing is fake I guess. Because they had Headley involved. Also Frazier who I would assume is considered a major leaguer?
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No other major leaguers are going to #Marlins in the Stanton trade besides Castro according to Marlins source
Damn...wish Headley went too. No way Ellsbury was going.
It's kind of funny how quickly the Yanks sucked up all the oxygen
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No other major leaguers are going to #Marlins in the Stanton trade besides Castro according to Marlins source
Wow that sucks. That makes it difficult for them to be under the tax threshold. Headley and Castros combined salary could have offset Stanton's for this year. If the Marlins aren't taking Headley either then I hope we don't give them even a Frazier or Andujar level prospect.
I barely slept last night waiting on confirmation.
Torres, Florial, Adams, and Sheffield. Frazier's value peaked before he was brought up to the bigs and was headed south. And Andujar has a strong arm and a powerful bat, but was shaky in the field and didn't project to hit for average at the major league level (my uninformed, unexpert opinion).
My biggest issue with the cost in players/prospects is that these were some of their best (but expendable) bargaining chips for landing a frontline pitcher this winter or at the trading deadline. I think Torres and Florial will remain untouchables, with Adams and/or Sheffield left to highlight any future trades.
right after the Angels signed Otani. Even then, the Angels are still an afterthought 😂
Speaking of Ohtani, Buster Olney said yesterday on Kay's show that MLB will likely investigate the Ohtani signing process very closely. There are whispers out there that people close to Ohtani have new cars or kororcyxles all of a sudden.
Torres, Florial, Adams, and Sheffield. Frazier's value peaked before he was brought up to the bigs and was headed south. And Andujar has a strong arm and a powerful bat, but was shaky in the field and didn't project to hit for average at the major league level (my uninformed, unexpert opinion).
My biggest issue with the cost in players/prospects is that these were some of their best (but expendable) bargaining chips for landing a frontline pitcher this winter or at the trading deadline. I think Torres and Florial will remain untouchables, with Adams and/or Sheffield left to highlight any future trades.
Why make a deal when Adams and/or Sheffield just may be a part of the rotation very soon? They dont have to make a deal. They are loaded with young arms
Torres, Florial, Adams, and Sheffield. Frazier's value peaked before he was brought up to the bigs and was headed south. And Andujar has a strong arm and a powerful bat, but was shaky in the field and didn't project to hit for average at the major league level (my uninformed, unexpert opinion).
My biggest issue with the cost in players/prospects is that these were some of their best (but expendable) bargaining chips for landing a frontline pitcher this winter or at the trading deadline. I think Torres and Florial will remain untouchables, with Adams and/or Sheffield left to highlight any future trades.
Frazier and Andujar have not lost any value. Both are projected to be starting players in the majors and will be very good ones. The limited action they saw last year did not dent their status as top prospects.
Could trade for a top 5 player in baseball without giving up any top prospects and still not like the deal.
My concern is that he is coming off a career year and won't be a top 5 or 10 or even a top 15 or 20 player going forward. Last year he hit .281, but the year before that he hit .240 and his lifetime batting average is .268.
Frazier makes sense now, how is he ever going to play here now? No way, Judge and Stanton are the corner outfielders for quite a while now. Might as well include Frazier. Maybe Gardner and Castro are also included if not Ellsbury as reported, a deal with Frazier, Gardner, and Castro actually makes sense on both sides.
Could trade for a top 5 player in baseball without giving up any top prospects and still not like the deal.
My concern is that he is coming off a career year and won't be a top 5 or 10 or even a top 15 or 20 player going forward. Last year he hit .281, but the year before that he hit .240 and his lifetime batting average is .268.
Nobody cares about batting average anymore. Its a terrible metric to judge value
Stanton & Prado to the Yankees. While Castro, Headley, Frazier, Andujar & 1 other prospect to the Marlins.
Doubt that is the deal, because what type of sources does TMZ Sports have? If it is, I don't like it. That is two of our top prospects. I wouldn't give up any. Just take on all the money and hold firm on no top prospects. Marlins are desperate to unload this contract and he has a NTC he has yielded already. No way I include even one of Frazier or Andujar in this deal. We're talking about a stud, but one with a 10 year contract to age 37, and the guy has an injury history. And the only position he has ever played, we have Judge. So he is essentially a DH for us.
Frazier makes sense now, how is he ever going to play here now? No way, Judge and Stanton are the corner outfielders for quite a while now. Might as well include Frazier. Maybe Gardner and Castro are also included if not Ellsbury as reported, a deal with Frazier, Gardner, and Castro actually makes sense on both sides.
Gardner and Ellsbury won't be included. Right now the only major leaguer that is confirmed to be a part of the deal is Castro. I hope we can get rid of Headley as well.
Frazier makes sense now, how is he ever going to play here now? No way, Judge and Stanton are the corner outfielders for quite a while now. Might as well include Frazier. Maybe Gardner and Castro are also included if not Ellsbury as reported, a deal with Frazier, Gardner, and Castro actually makes sense on both sides.
Gardner is defacto captain. Doubt he goes (hopefully).
and no, people, giancarlo wouldn't invoke no-trade just to mess with jeter. it is his call what to do, but yankees have been working with the belief he would accept NYY. @CraigMish list of dodgers, nyy, astros, cubs as likely approvals thought to be accurate.
give marlins/mike hill credit. he was able to make 3 quick agreements for stanton. also shows you how much marlins needed to move him. there's no way to get to reasonable payroll (85M-90M) without dealing GS.
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The #Yankees are back to being those damn Yankees, Dec. 9,2017.
Lol. The Dodgers get to have a $300 million payroll year after year and nobody says a word. The Yankees have Stanton basically forced on them in a deal too good to be true and people immediately start crying about the damn Yankees.
The #Yankees are back to being those damn Yankees, Dec. 9,2017.
Lol. The Dodgers get to have a $300 million payroll year after year and nobody says a word. The Yankees have Stanton basically forced on them in a deal too good to be true and people immediately start crying about the damn Yankees.
Evil Empire, baby! I love it.
Exactly. At this point, it doesn't even phase me. Might as well embrace it. Yeah, we're the heels, blah, blah, blah. Now, go win championships. :)
Next year I believe is Gardner's last year as Yankee.
Know when we know, at this point no need to listen to the rumors, wait until we hear from the people we know are informed. Right now we know Castro. We don't know about Prado coming here for sure either, if he does then maybe Headley is also included.
Know when we know, at this point no need to listen to the rumors, wait until we hear from the people we know are informed. Right now we know Castro. We don't know about Prado coming here for sure either, if he does then maybe Headley is also included.
Know when we know, at this point no need to listen to the rumors, wait until we hear from the people we know are informed. Right now we know Castro. We don't know about Prado coming here for sure either, if he does then maybe Headley is also included.
The Marlins are desperate to get rid of this contract, plus they had two offers rejected by Stanton, The Giants and Cards are no slouch franchise, so what does that leave, Yanks, Astros, Cubs, and Dodgers, you think the Dodgers are going to agree to a 300 mil payroll, plus think about who is the owner of the Marlins? I think it will be for more then that, but I don't think it will be for anything close to what Stanton is worth if you take on that entire contract.
The Marlins are desperate to get rid of this contract, plus they had two offers rejected by Stanton, The Giants and Cards are no slouch franchise, so what does that leave, Yanks, Astros, Cubs, and Dodgers, you think the Dodgers are going to agree to a 300 mil payroll, plus think about who is the owner of the Marlins? I think it will be for more then that, but I don't think it will be for anything close to what Stanton is worth if you take on that entire contract.
If that is all that the Yankees give up for Stanton then it is a huge win for them. I realize that contract will likely be an albatross at some point but it gives the Yankees another star power hitter for 5-6 years. It also allows them to trade Frazier for SP help.
Mantle / Maris terrorizing pitchers back in 1961. Gonna be an awesome summer watching this lineup as Judge / Stanton try to outdo each other.
And holy cow - imagine if Bird stays healthy and starts a run of launching moonshots to right field like he is capable. Also, expect Torres to come up and play 2nd in place of Castro. He goes on tears as well. There's going to be some high scoring games this season and more than a few pitchers' ERA is going to explode. Can't imagine any pitcher wanting to face this lineup.
Mantle / Maris terrorizing pitchers back in 1961. Gonna be an awesome summer watching this lineup as Judge / Stanton try to outdo each other.
And holy cow - imagine if Bird stays healthy and starts a run of launching moonshots to right field like he is capable. Also, expect Torres to come up and play 2nd in place of Castro. He goes on tears as well. There's going to be some high scoring games this season and more than a few pitchers' ERA is going to explode. Can't imagine any pitcher wanting to face this lineup.
Future's so bright, I gotta wear shades!
Don't forgot about Didi or Sanchez when you dream about the lineup. Gonna need some thicker shades!!
Nightengale saying Miami is already shopping Castro.
To your points about Machado, Heyman also said Yankees would be the favorites for him next winter, thst this move doesnt stop them from spending it next year.
about collusion between Jeter and the Yanks.. I love me some salty Boston tears.
Haha, a bunch of people are. Miamis biggest homer Dan Lebatard too. I guess the fact that they had deals in place with St. Louis AND San Fran first, but got shot down by Stanton went right over their heads. Stanton gave Jeter 4 teams and the other 3 obviously arent interested. What the hell is he supposed to do?
I wonder if the league office is second guessing that new ownership group yet.
Trading Stanton would have been the priority regardless of ownership group.
Trading Stanton isn't objectionable. Dumping him for Starlin Castro and some fritos is.
What are they supposed to do when the previous ownership gave him a full no trade clause? They did their best getting good deals from Cards and Giants. Stanton didn't want to go there. Cant blame the Marlins new ownership. I think them dumping all of Stanton's salary and taking back just Castro's $22 million, which can easily be moved off the books via another trade, is a good job by them. They were handcuffed by Stanton's contract.
about collusion between Jeter and the Yanks.. I love me some salty Boston tears.
Haha, a bunch of people are. Miamis biggest homer Dan Lebatard too. I guess the fact that they had deals in place with St. Louis AND San Fran first, but got shot down by Stanton went right over their heads. Stanton gave Jeter 4 teams and the other 3 obviously arent interested. What the hell is he supposed to do?
Freaking clowns.
Dan LeBatard is worse than Skip Bayliss. Absolutely can't stand him. Biggest Miami homer and biggest Jeter since the Marlins were sold.
The Dodgers were good last year and these past few years not
I wonder if the league office is second guessing that new ownership group yet.
Trading Stanton would have been the priority regardless of ownership group.
Trading Stanton isn't objectionable. Dumping him for Starlin Castro and some fritos is.
What are they supposed to do when the previous ownership gave him a full no trade clause? They did their best getting good deals from Cards and Giants. Stanton didn't want to go there. Cant blame the Marlins new ownership. I think them dumping all of Stanton's salary and taking back just Castro's $22 million, which can easily be moved off the books via another trade, is a good job by them. They were handcuffed by Stanton's contract.
I said this on another thread. Staton has every right to do so per the NTC. He's under 30, making 300M over the next decade. Where he said he would ok trades to shows he's thinking about his brand beyond baseball. All 4 teams are major-market opportunities with teams that will be competitive. He approached it the right way, and Jeter was foolish to think he would be persuaded otherwise.
about collusion between Jeter and the Yanks.. I love me some salty Boston tears.
Not that we would expect anything different from that sniveling twat Simmons, but anyone who followed baseball the past ten years knows Jeter and Cashman arent on each others holiday card list, and theres zero chance Jeter would do Cash any favors in a trade out of some kind of residual Yankees loyalty.
about collusion between Jeter and the Yanks.. I love me some salty Boston tears.
Haha, a bunch of people are. Miamis biggest homer Dan Lebatard too. I guess the fact that they had deals in place with St. Louis AND San Fran first, but got shot down by Stanton went right over their heads. Stanton gave Jeter 4 teams and the other 3 obviously arent interested. What the hell is he supposed to do?
Freaking clowns.
Exactly. Let's not let facts get in the way. I can understand IF the Yanks were the only team the Marlins dealt . That was NOT the case. Haters gonna hate.
I wonder if the league office is second guessing that new ownership group yet.
Trading Stanton would have been the priority regardless of ownership group.
Trading Stanton isn't objectionable. Dumping him for Starlin Castro and some fritos is.
What are they supposed to do when the previous ownership gave him a full no trade clause? They did their best getting good deals from Cards and Giants. Stanton didn't want to go there. Cant blame the Marlins new ownership. I think them dumping all of Stanton's salary and taking back just Castro's $22 million, which can easily be moved off the books via another trade, is a good job by them. They were handcuffed by Stanton's contract.
It's a difficult situation, I get it. You cannot tell me this was the best possible deal for this player. It's not like Stanton was only willing to go to one team. We're not even at the winter meetings yet. What was the rush to do this?
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One name to monitor in Stanton deal is Jorge Guzman, a 21-year old RHP who throws 100 MPH. Guzman was 5-3 w/ 2.30 ERA and 88K/18BB in 66 2/3 IP at Class A Staten Island. Baseball America rated him #7 on Yankees prospects list. Fits criteria of what Marlins are said to be getting.
You cannot tell me this was the best possible deal for this player. It's not like Stanton was only willing to go to one team. We're not even at the winter meetings yet. What was the rush to do this?
Apparently he was only willing to consider four teams and I'm sure phone calls were made to the other three. Why would Jeter want to do the Yankees any favors at the Marlins expense even if he and Cashman were lovers (which they're not, by the way)? He and the Yankees are competitors now. He didn't join the Marlins ownership to fail. I'm sure he will apply the same level of competitiveness to his new job as he did to his old job.
There are no 2 more identical players than Judge and Stanton. Both really big power hitters that like to extend and routinely hit the ball harder than everyone else. Both RF's with strong arms. Insane to have them in the same lineup.
Guzman is a long ways off but has sky-high potential
I wonder if the league office is second guessing that new ownership group yet.
Trading Stanton would have been the priority regardless of ownership group.
Trading Stanton isn't objectionable. Dumping him for Starlin Castro and some fritos is.
What are they supposed to do when the previous ownership gave him a full no trade clause? They did their best getting good deals from Cards and Giants. Stanton didn't want to go there. Cant blame the Marlins new ownership. I think them dumping all of Stanton's salary and taking back just Castro's $22 million, which can easily be moved off the books via another trade, is a good job by them. They were handcuffed by Stanton's contract.
It's a difficult situation, I get it. You cannot tell me this was the best possible deal for this player. It's not like Stanton was only willing to go to one team. We're not even at the winter meetings yet. What was the rush to do this?
Bro and Evan asked Heyman about this earlier, he said the Cubs and Astros showed no interest, and the Dodgers were monitoring, but are already at $250 million payroll and never seriously negotiated. Marlins were really in a corner on this one
RE: Guzman is a long ways off but has sky-high potential
I wonder if the league office is second guessing that new ownership group yet.
Trading Stanton would have been the priority regardless of ownership group.
Trading Stanton isn't objectionable. Dumping him for Starlin Castro and some fritos is.
What are they supposed to do when the previous ownership gave him a full no trade clause? They did their best getting good deals from Cards and Giants. Stanton didn't want to go there. Cant blame the Marlins new ownership. I think them dumping all of Stanton's salary and taking back just Castro's $22 million, which can easily be moved off the books via another trade, is a good job by them. They were handcuffed by Stanton's contract.
It's a difficult situation, I get it. You cannot tell me this was the best possible deal for this player. It's not like Stanton was only willing to go to one team. We're not even at the winter meetings yet. What was the rush to do this?
Bro and Evan asked Heyman about this earlier, he said the Cubs and Astros showed no interest, and the Dodgers were monitoring, but are already at $250 million payroll and never seriously negotiated. Marlins were really in a corner on this one
Everything goes back to the summer of 2016 when the Yankees decided to go with their rebuild and look to free up this money. The plan was to be ready for the 2018 free agent class. Just like last year where they were a year ahead of schedule, they were a year ahead now with the ability to land Stanton, essentially for nothing.
Seems like 2 prospects. One of them is reportedly Guzman.
Gizmo is rated very highly by scouts and Denbo loves him.
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Source: Marlins will get Castro and two prospects from the Yankees. Yankees will assume $265 million of the $295 million on Stantons contract.[/qupte]
If the Marlins cover $30 million, hows that effect the tax rest this year? Can the Yankees manipulate that to show more money saved this season and payout more each successive season, or would the savings be averaged out over the term of the deal?
Not the most in depth article, but if hes been traded it certainly looks like Miami may have found an absolute stud if he can maintain quality mechanics. Kind of flies in the face of just a salary dump from Miamis perspective. I get that they cant purely trade Stanton just to get rid of his salary and not get a return, but if the Yankees really were the only team that remained as a trading partner (LA supposedly not wanting to add his salary), why even give up a prospect the caliber of Guzman? Make Miami take something lesser. Its not like they could back off the Stanton trade and not have it be a total mess after all theyd gone through already. Jorge Guzman - 2018 preview - ( New Window )
-Marlins are a desperate team
-Castro and lower level prospects for Stanton is almost nothing
-Yanks have a lot of money coming off this year and will still be below the threshold
-Yankees intend to keep Gardner
-Yankees won't be able to move Ellsbury or even a part of his salary
-Yankees will be under $197 million regardless of moves made
-Boone is a really smart guy who believes in analytics. Yankees gave Boone the keys to a Lambo when he just got his driver's license
-The pressure on the team goes up. They have to win now. No underdog stories anymore.
-Some Yankee fans don't like the move but this move makes them so much better
-Getting Stanton for Castro is astonishing
-Injury concern for Stanton is overplayed by some
-It would be unfair to move Judge to Left. At home they should play Gardner in Left and have Stanton DH. Stanton could play LF on the road. He'll mostly be a DH.
-Havent heard names of prospects going to Marlins but they will not be top guys. Lower level guys more likely.
Not the most in depth article, but if hes been traded it certainly looks like Miami may have found an absolute stud if he can maintain quality mechanics. Kind of flies in the face of just a salary dump from Miamis perspective. I get that they cant purely trade Stanton just to get rid of his salary and not get a return, but if the Yankees really were the only team that remained as a trading partner (LA supposedly not wanting to add his salary), why even give up a prospect the caliber of Guzman? Make Miami take something lesser. Its not like they could back off the Stanton trade and not have it be a total mess after all theyd gone through already. Jorge Guzman - 2018 preview - ( New Window )
You were not gonna get him for nothing. We gave up a better prospect in Rutherford for lesser player than Stanton.
If the Marlins cover $30 million, hows that effect the tax rest this year? Can the Yankees manipulate that to show more money saved this season and payout more each successive season, or would the savings be averaged out over the term of the deal?
From Twitter- looks like $3 million in tax credit for the next 10 years.
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#Yankees will receive luxury tax credit of $3 million per year in Stanton trade; $30 million cash payment from #Marlins is averaged over the 10 years regardless of when payouts come, and even though opt-out exists. @MLB @MLBNetwork
If the Marlins cover $30 million, hows that effect the tax rest this year? Can the Yankees manipulate that to show more money saved this season and payout more each successive season, or would the savings be averaged out over the term of the deal?
Teams get to decide how they want to allocate any money included in a deal. The Yanks could apply it over the next 2 seasons- or use it in different seasons- or simply just spread it out evenly.
Keep in mind that the luxury tax computation is not obvious here. Stanton's deal has a AAV of $25M for luxury tax purposes. Castro has an AAV of $8,571,500 for the next two seasons.
Therefore, for luxury tax purposes, Stanton's deal only adds $16,428,500 for the next two seasons, then adds $25M per the rest of the way- BEFORE applying the $30M.
Let's assume that the Yanks decide to apply the $30M over the next two seasons. Since Stanton adds $16,428,500 x 2 = $32,857,000. If the Yanks applies the $30M to that total, the Yanks would essentially be adding $2.857M over the next TWO seasons to their current luxury tax computations.
Keep in mind that Stanton has an "opt out" after the 2020 season. Given what Machado and Harper will almost certainly achieve after the 2018 season (sure to break through the $300M barrier- and POSSIBLY the $400M barrier), Stanton will almost certainly opt out.
Thus, the Yanks will be likely to apply the $30M either over the next 2 years or 3 years, in order to make sure that they get the full benefit of that $$$.
Therefore, if the Yanks were to spread that $30M over the next 3 years, the luxury tax hit would be an added $27.857M added to their current totals over the next 3 seasons- with most of it on the back end (the 2020 season).
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The #Yankees will only receive the $30M if Stanton does NOT opt out after the 2020 season. #Marlins
If the Marlins cover $30 million, hows that effect the tax rest this year? Can the Yankees manipulate that to show more money saved this season and payout more each successive season, or would the savings be averaged out over the term of the deal?
From Twitter- looks like $3 million in tax credit for the next 10 years.
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#Yankees will receive luxury tax credit of $3 million per year in Stanton trade; $30 million cash payment from #Marlins is averaged over the 10 years regardless of when payouts come, and even though opt-out exists. @MLB @MLBNetwork
Unless the rules changed in the new CBA, this isn't true. Go back and look how the Yanks allocated the money from Vernon Wells that they got in the Angels deal.
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The minor leaguers #Marlins are getting are Jorge Guzman and Jose Devers, who is Rafael Devers' cousin.
Not the most in depth article, but if hes been traded it certainly looks like Miami may have found an absolute stud if he can maintain quality mechanics. Kind of flies in the face of just a salary dump from Miamis perspective. I get that they cant purely trade Stanton just to get rid of his salary and not get a return, but if the Yankees really were the only team that remained as a trading partner (LA supposedly not wanting to add his salary), why even give up a prospect the caliber of Guzman? Make Miami take something lesser. Its not like they could back off the Stanton trade and not have it be a total mess after all theyd gone through already. Jorge Guzman - 2018 preview - ( New Window )
You were not gonna get him for nothing. We gave up a better prospect in Rutherford for lesser player than Stanton.
I get it, I would t undo the trade to save Guzman. Just pondering how desperate Miami really would have been to dump Stantons contract if NY was the only viable trade partner and didnt give in to Denbos wish list. Again, do the trade and dont look back.
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Castro, Devers, Guzman for Stanton and $30M pending physical. #Yankees doing thorough work up so might not be finalized until tomorrow or Monday
Really? The kids are years away if they make it. I am pretty this guys arent the top two on Gary Denbos Wishlist. The regaining MVP traded for peanuts and we complain that we had to give anything except organizational filler. Unbelievable.
Not the most in depth article, but if hes been traded it certainly looks like Miami may have found an absolute stud if he can maintain quality mechanics. Kind of flies in the face of just a salary dump from Miamis perspective. I get that they cant purely trade Stanton just to get rid of his salary and not get a return, but if the Yankees really were the only team that remained as a trading partner (LA supposedly not wanting to add his salary), why even give up a prospect the caliber of Guzman? Make Miami take something lesser. Its not like they could back off the Stanton trade and not have it be a total mess after all theyd gone through already. Jorge Guzman - 2018 preview - ( New Window )
You were not gonna get him for nothing. We gave up a better prospect in Rutherford for lesser player than Stanton.
I get it, I would t undo the trade to save Guzman. Just pondering how desperate Miami really would have been to dump Stantons contract if NY was the only viable trade partner and didnt give in to Denbos wish list. Again, do the trade and dont look back.
I think its premature to write him off as a Yankee. Clearly his a big time trade chip, but Gardner could be in his last year here if his club option is declined for 2019 (unlikely). The bigger question is are they sold on Hicks being a permanent solution?
I think its premature to write him off as a Yankee. Clearly his a big time trade chip, but Gardner could be in his last year here if his club option is declined for 2019 (unlikely). The bigger question is are they sold on Hicks being a permanent solution?
I think that they view Florial as the long term solution in CF. So Hicks has to play there for 2 years or so...not a bad thing given his great defense and decent bat.
But that's larceny to get the MVP for that package of players. Guzman has a lot of promise, but damn that's a steal. I proposed something yesterday with Andujar and Adams and would have been ok with it. That is truly a fantastic way of utilizing your leverage in negotiating
I'm very confident and comfortable with Hicks as the CF. Ellsbury will ride the pine and be insurance in case Hicks gets hurt. Not the worst insurance plan.
But Stanton has a history with injuries and could be destined for more time at DH eventually and Gardner has a year left here. So I agree, I wouldn't write off Clint as a part of this future core
Imagine if we could get rid of Ellsbury while eating most of his
contract. He's really unnecessary given that Gardy could back up CF for us. Even if we got $5-7M in salary relief it would be a worthy deal, giving us more flexibility moving forward. I wonder whether he'd approve a trade now that he has almost no worth to us, and is likely to get no playing time.
$22 million per year is what Stanton's salty will count against tax.
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(A) Add an MVP to an already stacked team.
(B) Ditch Castro to offset some of the cost.
(C) Replace Castro with Torres, rather than spending on a 2B.
(D) Hold onto top tier prospects, possibly deal Clint for starting pitching.
(E) Stay in position to spend big in FA next winter.
Could trade for a top 5 player in baseball without giving up any top prospects and still not like the deal.
My concern is that he is coming off a career year and won't be a top 5 or 10 or even a top 15 or 20 player going forward. Last year he hit .281, but the year before that he hit .240 and his lifetime batting average is .268.
Nobody cares about batting average anymore. Its a terrible metric to judge value
could be a useful player for some team. But don't think we'll find a team willing to take on 25% of Ellsbury's contract. So 50% is a bigger dream.
Were you addressing my post? I had a team taking Ellsbury for $5-7M a year, and the Yanks paying the rest. I'm guessing that some team might be willing to do that.
But Stanton has a history with injuries and could be destined for more time at DH eventually and Gardner has a year left here. So I agree, I wouldn't write off Clint as a part of this future core
Remember that Frazier lost a ton of development time last year with that lat injury. He can easily be sent to AAA to work on some things.
Keep in mind as well that Gardner is a FA at the end of the year. I think Stanton will be a DH most of the time, and could remain there if Frazier were to take over for Gardner in 2019.
We also need to keep in mind that Stanton has an opt-out after 2020. Keeping Frazier around allows the Yanks to keep a potentially high end bat around to ease the potential loss of Stanton down the road.
Gets warren back plus Torres quickly for a rental who we got back asap also..
Then Cashman trades Castro and lotto tickets for Stanton
Just wow.
Guy is amazing
That's why he's signing a 5 year $25 million extension.
This is what happens when you set up the revenue streams the Yankees have, with the willingness to spend, and have the farm system rework the past 3-4 years all burst at the same time. It's the perfect storm to allow them to land guys like Stanton, and others in the future. Essentially, the Yankees became as good as your small market teams ability to bring in cost controlled talent and augment with big price stars to fill out the roster. Once the pitching comes into play, this team has dynasty written all over it again. For those too young to remember the Yankee machine as it started to rev up in 1995 and 1996, you are seeing it now.
could be a useful player for some team. But don't think we'll find a team willing to take on 25% of Ellsbury's contract. So 50% is a bigger dream.
Were you addressing my post? I had a team taking Ellsbury for $5-7M a year, and the Yanks paying the rest. I'm guessing that some team might be willing to do that.
No, it was a general comment about Ellsbury. I agree with you. If a team is willing to pay even that much of Ellsbury's salary then we should do it. Just not gonna happen.
True, Rich. And keeping Frazier (especially if you find someone
But Stanton has a history with injuries and could be destined for more time at DH eventually and Gardner has a year left here. So I agree, I wouldn't write off Clint as a part of this future core
Remember that Frazier lost a ton of development time last year with that lat injury. He can easily be sent to AAA to work on some things.
Keep in mind as well that Gardner is a FA at the end of the year. I think Stanton will be a DH most of the time, and could remain there if Frazier were to take over for Gardner in 2019.
We also need to keep in mind that Stanton has an opt-out after 2020. Keeping Frazier around allows the Yanks to keep a potentially high end bat around to ease the potential loss of Stanton down the road.
Yep absolutely, could be available for the right pitcher, but we could easily send him to AAA and he's the first call up after an injury, ready to take over LF in 2019 with Stanton at DH
Could trade for a top 5 player in baseball without giving up any top prospects and still not like the deal.
My concern is that he is coming off a career year and won't be a top 5 or 10 or even a top 15 or 20 player going forward. Last year he hit .281, but the year before that he hit .240 and his lifetime batting average is .268.
Nobody cares about batting average anymore. Its a terrible metric to judge value
Also a terrible metric (by which) to value Judge.
;)
Note that Stanton has a CAREER OBP of .360 and a career SLG of .554- for a career OPS of .914.
Just to put that in perspective, in 2017- which was a season of inflated offensive production league-wide, only 20 players (including Stanton himself) had an OPS in excess of .914
Talk about a salary dump. I liked Castro at 2nd and the upside of Guzman, but the Marlins definitely didn't receive equal value for Stanton. IMO, the Yanks should now dump Jacoby and trade Gardner (which I know is not popular with a lot). I would like to see Red take over for Gardner and be the 4th man in the outfield rotation. Gardner has been great for the Yanks, but he is well into the back nine of his career and who knows how many good seasons he has left.
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Talk about a salary dump. I liked Castro at 2nd and the upside of Guzman, but the Marlins definitely didn't receive equal value for Stanton. IMO, the Yanks should now dump Jacoby and trade Gardner (which I know is not popular with a lot). I would like to see Red take over for Gardner and be the 4th man in the outfield rotation. Gardner has been great for the Yanks, but he is well into the back nine of his career and who knows how many good seasons he has left.
One issue with trading Gardner is that the team really doesn't have another guy who's ideal in the leadoff spot.
Stanton has an opt-out after 2020. Which just happens to be the same time that Ellsbury and Tanaka's deals end. Chapman would be the only long-term deal left- but he ALSO has an opt-out.
There is a possibility that the Yanks could enter the 2020 off-season without ANY long term financial commitments.
its's pretty clear that the Yankees plan on keeping Gardner. They also seem to think that Ellsbury will spend the next 3 years rotting on the bench as a pinch runner and 5th outfielder.
Stanton has an opt-out after 2020. Which just happens to be the same time that Ellsbury and Tanaka's deals end. Chapman would be the only long-term deal left- but he ALSO has an opt-out.
There is a possibility that the Yanks could enter the 2020 off-season without ANY long term financial commitments.
Just don't see Stanton opting out and leaving that much money on the table. He'll be 31 and will not get more money in the open market. He'll be leaving $218 on the table with the opt out.
its's pretty clear that the Yankees plan on keeping Gardner. They also seem to think that Ellsbury will spend the next 3 years rotting on the bench as a pinch runner and 5th outfielder.
Keep in mind that the Yanks have Gardner ($13M for luxury tax purposes), Headley ($13M for luxury tax purposes) and DRob ($11.5M for luxury tax purposes) coming off the payroll at the end of the season.
Even with adding Stanton ($25M for luxury tax purposes) and subtracting Castro ($8,571,500 for luxury tax purposes), the Yanks are still about $10M BELOW the luxury tax line.
Ellsbury is not tradeable now, but at the same time, there is no need to trade him for luxury tax purposes. He serves a purpose- he can be a late-inning baserunner, injury insurance and a guy who can give a day of rest for several guys. While he might be the highest paid insurance policy in MLB, trading him is not a NEED. But with the $21M per salary and his FULL no-trade clause, he isn't going anywhere.
Stanton has an opt-out after 2020. Which just happens to be the same time that Ellsbury and Tanaka's deals end. Chapman would be the only long-term deal left- but he ALSO has an opt-out.
There is a possibility that the Yanks could enter the 2020 off-season without ANY long term financial commitments.
Just don't see Stanton opting out and leaving that much money on the table. He'll be 31 and will not get more money in the open market. He'll be leaving $218 on the table with the opt out.
No, I think he will. Harper and Machado are going to break the $300M mark- and possibly the $400M mark. Stanton won't get a 10 year deal, but after those deals, getting a deal worth $30-35M annually might not be unrealistic.
But Stanton has a history with injuries and could be destined for more time at DH eventually and Gardner has a year left here. So I agree, I wouldn't write off Clint as a part of this future core
Remember that Frazier lost a ton of development time last year with that lat injury. He can easily be sent to AAA to work on some things.
Keep in mind as well that Gardner is a FA at the end of the year. I think Stanton will be a DH most of the time, and could remain there if Frazier were to take over for Gardner in 2019.
We also need to keep in mind that Stanton has an opt-out after 2020. Keeping Frazier around allows the Yanks to keep a potentially high end bat around to ease the potential loss of Stanton down the road.
Yep absolutely, could be available for the right pitcher, but we could easily send him to AAA and he's the first call up after an injury, ready to take over LF in 2019 with Stanton at DH
Exactly right. Stanton doesnt change Frazier's future much at all. Frazier is still the eventual Gardner replacement in LF, that hasn't changed.
And was really interested to see prospects involved...while some Yanks fans didn't give a shit, and just loved getting Stanton and his albatross contract. But I love the deal.
Only two prospects are Jorge Guzman and Jose Devers. Two guys that haven't even played above rookie ball in minors. So I really like it. Guzman is actually a top 10 prospect for Yanks (usually around 7-10 on lists), we got him last year in Brian McCann trade. Devers is a nobody so far as he is only 17 years old from D.R. (happens to be Rafael's cousin for you Sox fans). Guzman is an absolute flamethrower and throws over 100. Could be a stud, but he is a lottery ticket. Since is 3 years away, and you have no idea what can happen between now and then. He wasn't even top guy in McCann trade, that was another P named Alberto Abreu...who is a bigger prospect at this time.
So all things considered, even being very well versed with Yanks farm system and not wanting to give up any top prospects...I am more than good with this.
Know that Ellsbury has a no trade clause. However, wouldn't you think he would like to leave the Yankees. Last year heading to spring training he thought he would be the starting CF. this season he knows that he will start the season on the bench. All these athletes have huge egos. I would think he would have his agent trying to get him traded. Would he rather play on a shitty team and be a starter or would he rather be a bench player on a contender. He gets paid either way.
Know that Ellsbury has a no trade clause. However, wouldn't you think he would like to leave the Yankees. Last year heading to spring training he thought he would be the starting CF. this season he knows that he will start the season on the bench. All these athletes have huge egos. I would think he would have his agent trying to get him traded. Would he rather play on a shitty team and be a starter or would he rather be a bench player on a contender. He gets paid either way.
It doesn't matter what he wants as no team is going to eat that contract unless the Yankees eat more than half that contract.
I think that Ellsbury would agree to a trade to a team/city that is
attractive to him, but I imagine he'd want to move to another contender, and do any of those teams need him? I don't see anyone who'd be dying to land him.
probably thinks he'll get a fresh start with a new manager and can win the CF job back. Not saying I think it'll happen, but it could explain why he doesn't appear anxious to leave
were talking to the Blue Jays about Marcus Strohman quite a bit around the deadline.
Coincidently, Stromans been chattering on Twitter about the Stanton deal this morning. Hes trying to prove hes not intimidated already by this lineup:)
RE: RE: wonder if Boone will break up righties and lefties like Girardi did -
the 3 righties? Are there numbers against righties really that different from lefties? I'd ideally want to see Judge, Stanton, and Sanchez hitting back to back.
Yesterday almost everyone on THAT Stanton thread was saying it was a bad idea for the Yanks. Good Idea After All - ( New Window )
I was one of those people, but I was worried they would be giving up prospects that might otherwise be packaged for a starting pitcher. As it turns out, they still have plenty of chips to play with and including Castro dumps a fat contract and opens up another possible destination for Torres in 2018 (which they may prefer to 3rd base for reasons both present and future related).
p.s.--Also I preferred Harper to Stanton, but a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush (especially when it arrives a year earlier and costs less).
the 3 righties? Are there numbers against righties really that different from lefties? I'd ideally want to see Judge, Stanton, and Sanchez hitting back to back.
I guess one advantage of doing so is if we bat Bird between Judge and Stanton, hell be set to get a ton of pitches to hit...could be set up for a monster season himself
the 3 righties? Are there numbers against righties really that different from lefties? I'd ideally want to see Judge, Stanton, and Sanchez hitting back to back.
That was kind of what I was asking - Girardi would but I dont know about Boone.
Guzman was on the rise, there is a reason Denbo picked him over Frecier Perez, Domingo Acevedo, and the like. Don't know anything about Devers.
Small price I guess, but this severely decrease our payroll flexibility. No matter what kind of fuzzy math you do, 10/300M is still 10/300M. He may be a freak athlete and can last into his late 30's, but he does already have some injury history.
Guzman was on the rise, there is a reason Denbo picked him over Frecier Perez, Domingo Acevedo, and the like. Don't know anything about Devers.
Small price I guess, but this severely decrease our payroll flexibility. No matter what kind of fuzzy math you do, 10/300M is still 10/300M. He may be a freak athlete and can last into his late 30's, but he does already have some injury history.
Stanton will have almost zero effect on long term flexibility. It dont think you understand how much flexibility having all of these young cost controlled players will provide. In two years Ellsbury will literally be the only long term contract left, other than Stanton. Grady, Tanaka, Headley, CC....all of these guys will be gone. Stanton making $25 per is not going to have any effect at all on flexibility, thanks to the incredible job Cashman has done with the farm.
Prior to last year, his previous career high in HR's was 37. And out of 7 full seasons he's played more than 150 games exactly twice.
Are you new to baseball? Im pretty sure that nobody on this site needs to go look at the stats when it comes to Stanton. We all know who he is and what hes done. Hes an absolute monster. A top 5 player in baseball when healthy. And we all know that health is the key concern.
I hope you get this out of your system and we dont have to suffer you complaining about Stanton for the next 10 years. For fucks sake man, enjoy the ride. Stop worrying so damned much. Its good to be a Yankee fan right now, stop trying to piss on the parade.
Health is a key concern, but it's okay to dish out 10/300M guranteed
Prior to last year, his previous career high in HR's was 37. And out of 7 full seasons he's played more than 150 games exactly twice.
In 8 seasons, his career OPS is .914, which is 3rd best among active players under 30 after Trout and Goldschmidt.
We're all just fans here kicking around opinions, but it really seems like you're trying very hard to invent negatives about this deal. Yes, the last 2-3 years of the contract may be bad, but outside of that there's no downside here.
not now, the idea of rotating the four outfielders through the DH spot as well seems like a good one.
Also, Castro had great moments but he's a maddening player and I think lots of BBIers discussed trading him this offseason if possible. If Torres can take over at 2B and do well this seems like a real upgrade all the way around. Need another starting pitcher and a resolution for 3B, maybe a better backup catcher - otherwise looking pretty well set.
also, looked at an exit velocity chart over on the NYT -
Last season Judge and Stanton hit the 8 hardest balls in MLB, 11 of the top 12, 20 of the top 25 - something like that. It's not going to be fun for pitchers.
not now, the idea of rotating the four outfielders through the DH spot as well seems like a good one.
Also, Castro had great moments but he's a maddening player and I think lots of BBIers discussed trading him this offseason if possible. If Torres can take over at 2B and do well this seems like a real upgrade all the way around. Need another starting pitcher and a resolution for 3B, maybe a better backup catcher - otherwise looking pretty well set.
The way I see it, if Torres comes in and plays a solid 2nd base and hits ok, he'll be a net neutral. If he can come in and bat like he's being touted as and can play a solid 2nd, we're in fucking business.
RE: also, looked at an exit velocity chart over on the NYT -
Last season Judge and Stanton hit the 8 hardest balls in MLB, 11 of the top 12, 20 of the top 25 - something like that. It's not going to be fun for pitchers.
I think they will have to put up a screen in the outfield to protect the fans :)
Prior to last year, his previous career high in HR's was 37. And out of 7 full seasons he's played more than 150 games exactly twice.
Are you new to baseball? Im pretty sure that nobody on this site needs to go look at the stats when it comes to Stanton. We all know who he is and what hes done. Hes an absolute monster. A top 5 player in baseball when healthy. And we all know that health is the key concern.
I hope you get this out of your system and we dont have to suffer you complaining about Stanton for the next 10 years. For fucks sake man, enjoy the ride. Stop worrying so damned much. Its good to be a Yankee fan right now, stop trying to piss on the parade.
This is why people hate some Yankees fans. Always bitching about something coupled with a sense of entitlement.
RE: Health is a key concern, but it's okay to dish out 10/300M guranteed
Health is a key concern for any player. You keep glossing over the fact that $25M per year will not have ANY effect on future dealings. None.
Youre just looking for a reason to be pissy, as usual. You actually had to go back and look at stats to learn about Stanton. You have a right to your opinion of course but you really shouldnt be so loud about it. Its obvious that you dont know much about the player.
RE: Health is a key concern, but it's okay to dish out 10/300M guranteed
The only number that matters when it comes to salary is the number that counts against the tax cap. Stanton's annual salary against the cap is going to be $22 million. Which is a lot less then what Harper and Machado would have cost. This deal is a no brainer for the Yankees. I don't know why one Yankee fans are so hung up on being against it. It didn't cost us a single significant prospect. It doesn't hinder the Yankees plans of getting under the tax threshold. It makes the lineup significantly better.
Prior to last year, his previous career high in HR's was 37. And out of 7 full seasons he's played more than 150 games exactly twice.
In 8 seasons, his career OPS is .914, which is 3rd best among active players under 30 after Trout and Goldschmidt.
We're all just fans here kicking around opinions, but it really seems like you're trying very hard to invent negatives about this deal. Yes, the last 2-3 years of the contract may be bad, but outside of that there's no downside here.
Hes also got the out option so it may only be a 3 years of prime Stanton with no long term commitment anyways. But Jim will continue to ignore that too.
And the injury history really is skewed by a couple of freak
Prior to last year, his previous career high in HR's was 37. And out of 7 full seasons he's played more than 150 games exactly twice.
Are you new to baseball? Im pretty sure that nobody on this site needs to go look at the stats when it comes to Stanton. We all know who he is and what hes done. Hes an absolute monster. A top 5 player in baseball when healthy. And we all know that health is the key concern.
I hope you get this out of your system and we dont have to suffer you complaining about Stanton for the next 10 years. For fucks sake man, enjoy the ride. Stop worrying so damned much. Its good to be a Yankee fan right now, stop trying to piss on the parade.
This is why people hate some Yankees fans. Always bitching about something coupled with a sense of entitlement.
Exactly. They get a top 5 player for Starlin Castro and this guy is worried about taking money out of Steinbrenner pocket. People just can never enjoy things. Lets worry about what that contract will look like when we are all wearing depends and drooling on ourselves instead.
If the Marlins had offered Stanton plus $30 million
to the Yankees for Castro and 2 low A ball prospects, and Cashman had refused the trade, he should have been fired. This is a no brainer. This doesn't dent your farm. It doesn't change you plan of getting under the tax. It doesn't stop you from going out an signing more players next season.
contemplate this - Stanton will likely benefit by playing his home games at Yankee Stadium instead of Marlins Park. Plus, AL East away games at Fenway and Camden Yards.
According to The Baseball Gauges park adjustments, Marlins Park was the third-most-difficult home run-hitting park for right-handed batters last season, which had the effect of depressing righty homers by about 20 percent relative to an average MLB ballpark. You read that right: Stanton smashed an MLB-leading 59 bombs the most in baseball since 2001 and took a serious run at Roger Mariss pre-steroids HR record despite playing in one of the games most difficult parks for right-handed power hitters. Link - ( New Window )
Stanton plus whichever low-cost player plays 2B will cost the Yanks against the cap about what Castro and Holliday did last year.
This alone should put everyone's concerns to rest.
Nope. someone will figure out a way to complain. Joyless fucks.
Can't imagine not being excited about this gift. I would not be surprised if Cashman makes another move or two at the winter meetings, certainly not at this level.
Sanchez missed a month of last season, Judge played through a banged up shoulder down the stretch, Bird's hardly played in two years - all the more reason to build a deep lineup.
"For the second straight offseason, the Yankees are set to acquire the reigning National League home run king. Something tells me Giancarlo Stanton will work out better than Chris Carter."
I agree. The move I would love to see, and before the Dec 14th rule 5 draft, is a trade for lefty reliever Brad Hand.
Hand is only 27 and only earned 1.375 mil last year and he is controlled thru 2019.
Hand is the best lefty reliever available, and its very likely the Padres will move him to the highest bidder for a package of prospects.
With the farm system loaded, here is an opportunity to create the best bullpen in baseball-by far. Lefty's would be Chapman and Hand, and righty's would be DRob, Kahnle, Betances, Green and probably Warren as the long man.
Hand last year pitched in the 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th, including over 20 saves.
A strong contender is very likely to get Hand in a trade next week, and the farm system is loaded enough right now that it could handle creating a package better than any other team would offer and would create some needed flexibility on the 40 man.
Shreve could certainly be part of a package and others that could be considered include Holder and Mitchell.
The trade for Stanton is already a huge plus, but putting together a prospect swap for a young player like Hand would lessen the need for the trade cost of getting another starter.
With a bullpen that strong, the return of CC and spring training battle of young starters would eliminate the need for getting another starter from outside
I would love to see Hand added to our pen. That would be a great addition. We need a strong lefty presence like past championship teams with Sparky, Lloyd, Mike Stanton, and Steve Howe. Great call.
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So...9 guys will be hitting doubles or hard singles in the first on a Sox pitcher having first inning troubles?
6+ in the first will be enough.. Oh wait! Farrell's gone.
May only be 4.
But has anyone else noticed how similar this trade is to the one where Cashman acquired Chapman from the Reds? As I recall, the Yankees got him for a relative bargain after an initial trade with another team fell through. Cashman basically did the same thing with this deal. Stanton rejected two trades with the Cards and Giants, and then suddenly there's the Yankees swooping in and acquiring him for another relative bargain. Cashman is a master trader. I'm really impressed.
I agree. The move I would love to see, and before the Dec 14th rule 5 draft, is a trade for lefty reliever Brad Hand.
Hand is only 27 and only earned 1.375 mil last year and he is controlled thru 2019.
Hand is the best lefty reliever available, and its very likely the Padres will move him to the highest bidder for a package of prospects.
With the farm system loaded, here is an opportunity to create the best bullpen in baseball-by far. Lefty's would be Chapman and Hand, and righty's would be DRob, Kahnle, Betances, Green and probably Warren as the long man.
Hand last year pitched in the 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th, including over 20 saves.
A strong contender is very likely to get Hand in a trade next week, and the farm system is loaded enough right now that it could handle creating a package better than any other team would offer and would create some needed flexibility on the 40 man.
Shreve could certainly be part of a package and others that could be considered include Holder and Mitchell.
The trade for Stanton is already a huge plus, but putting together a prospect swap for a young player like Hand would lessen the need for the trade cost of getting another starter.
With a bullpen that strong, the return of CC and spring training battle of young starters would eliminate the need for getting another starter from outside
Hand would be great but they were apparently looking for more than what the Yankees got for Champan and Miller when they dumped them. No thanks.
shouldn't be a problem after this. I saw some real in depth breakdowns that take into consideration all the other B.S. that goes into the final # (other than just adding up all the players cap #'s)...and even with all that the conservative # was 25 million they can add this off season. They just took on 22 but traded 10 the other way...so that is only a net of 12. So they can still bring back CC for ~10 and call it an off season. Other than some smaller moves.
To start the season. When Torres takes over 2B or 3B he might wind up hitting 2nd. The lineup with him in it is crazy if healthy.
Oh please bird is not the best hitter. Can he have an awesome season first? He had a good month last year and a good couple of months a few years prior. Bird is potentially a terrific player but let's see this guy hit for a full season first. Part of making it as a player is actually doing it. He hasn't yet. I do think bird and Sanchez are the toughest guys to pitch to when they are on, but bird's gotta do it long term first.
My only issue is I would hope they can convince Stanton to be okay DHing the overwhelming majority of his games in the interest of keeping him healthy and prolonging his productivity. Basically, would you rather be a 37 year-old Albert Pujols or a 37 year-old David Ortiz/Edgar Martinez?
The craziness of that contract post-2020 does make long-term planning more difficult.
Hard to create a lineup placing Didi/Bird in right spots
the way he did. That being said, I still don't think we'll see Bird and Didi back to back. I think it will be Judge in the 2 hole followed by Stanton, Bird, and Sanchez.
the way he did. That being said, I still don't think we'll see Bird and Didi back to back. I think it will be Judge in the 2 hole followed by Stanton, Bird, and Sanchez.
Haha it's so true.
I have a feeling they might try Judge at leadoff with Stanton 2 but that sounds wild.
Gardy was a phenomenal leadoff guy last year. But I wouldn't complain if he hits 9th and Judge 1st.
Your def right tho, I think the post Girardi era lineups will be much spicer perhaps
RE: RE: RE: wonder if Boone will break up righties and lefties like Girardi did -
He actually has a problem with his swing: it's too flat for a home run hitter. Check out the leaderboard in exit velocity in MLB in 2017. A whole bunch of the 117 MPH or higher shots were either Judge or Stanton--but a lot of Stanton's were very flat, and resulted in outs or singles, because of the flat launch angle. I would expect that as part of a Yankee "Murderer's Row," Stanton will let his launch angle move up a bit, and that he won't bite at much at high fastballs (which flatten your launch angle) with all of that protection, wherever he hits in the order.
I also believe strongly that Judge played nearly two months with an injured shoulder. And that Bird barely had time to get his world-class swing back in working order as the season wound down. The amount of homers from Judge, Stanton, Sanchez, Bird, Didi et al should be ridiculous. Hitting begets hitting. Link - ( New Window )
1. Gardner (LF)
2. Judge (RF)
3. Gregorius (SS)
4. Stanton (DH)
5. Sanchez (C)
6. Bird (1B)
7. Hicks (CF)
8. Headley (3B)
9. Torres (2B)
p.s.-- Bird and Gregorius can be flipped if Didi's #s slip and Bird is hitting for a higher BA/OBP/OPS.
1. Gardner (LF)
2. Judge (RF)
3. Gregorius (SS)
4. Stanton (DH)
5. Sanchez (C)
6. Bird (1B)
7. Hicks (CF)
8. Headley (3B)
9. Torres (2B)
p.s.-- Bird and Gregorius can be flipped if Didi's #s slip and Bird is hitting for a higher BA/OBP/OPS.
I vote for this one.
RE: RE: RE: RE: wonder if Boone will break up righties and lefties like Girardi did -
1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th are all more valuable spots in the order than 3rd. The #3 hitter comes up with 2 out and nobody on pretty frequently.
Yeah, so put Headley there...after the 1st turn thru the order, coming up with no one on base is equally spread through the order.
If Judge is 2nd, I want Sanchez behind him for protection.
1. Gardner (LF)
2. Judge (RF)
3. Gregorius (SS)
4. Stanton (DH)
5. Sanchez (C)
6. Bird (1B)
7. Hicks (CF)
8. Headley (3B)
9. Torres (2B)
p.s.-- Bird and Gregorius can be flipped if Didi's #s slip and Bird is hitting for a higher BA/OBP/OPS.
That is the line up I think will start they year. Let Bird settle in for a while before he grabs 3 spot from Didi, who was excellemt last year. I also think we'll see Torreyes/Wade for a bit to start year before Torres is ready for 2B, where he has only played 10 games in minors at 2B amd only 53 total games above A ball.
While the HR are going to be great, I am interested in seeing how much of a difference the big boost in OBP between Stanton and (eventually) Torres will be over the nothingness that was the DH spot for the Yanks in 2017 and Castro (who just never walked).
Keep in mind that Stanton's CAREER OBP is .360. Just to put into perspective how big a difference the change makes, Castro's career OBP is .320. Torres' career LOW in OBP is .346- and it has gone up with each successive season until he put up an OBP of .383 last year.
I still am not a fan of typing up the DH position long term (at least for 3 years until his opt-out, or 10 years if he plays the contract out). I think that the flexibility there was a good thing.
I will agree however, that the trade cost the Yanks VERY little compared to value gained- and that trading Castro is addition by subtraction.
One of last year's bi problems (especially in the playoffs) was the inability of the lineup in general to get on base. For many batters, it was get a hit or get out- though Judge and Bird got their share of walks. Adding Stanton (and by the playoffs, Torres) should help diversify the lineup and make the offense as a while, tougher to get out.
1. Gardner (LF)
2. Judge (RF)
3. Gregorius (SS)
4. Stanton (DH)
5. Sanchez (C)
6. Bird (1B)
7. Hicks (CF)
8. Headley (3B)
9. Torres (2B)
p.s.-- Bird and Gregorius can be flipped if Didi's #s slip and Bird is hitting for a higher BA/OBP/OPS.
That is the line up I think will start they year. Let Bird settle in for a while before he grabs 3 spot from Didi, who was excellemt last year. I also think we'll see Torreyes/Wade for a bit to start year before Torres is ready for 2B, where he has only played 10 games in minors at 2B amd only 53 total games above A ball.
Remember that the Yanks no longer have Girardi at manager. Boone is more likely to adopt the analytics guys ideas.
I suspect that barring more trades, the lineup is more likely to be:
Gardner LF
Judge RF
Bird 1B
Stanton DH
Sanchez C
Gregorius SS
Hicks CF
Andujar 3B (Headley may get dealt)
Torres 2B (probably Wade or maybe Torreyes early in the season).
IMO, there is also a legitimate possibility that if Torres continues to post very high OBP numbers like he did in the minors that he could move up to #2 in the order and push everyone else down a slot accordingly.
I don't think there is any question that trading for Brad Hand will not be cheap. But look at how much the asking price and selling price changed on Stanton. And the Yankees are in a position to put together a better prospect package than virtually any other team. 11 of the Yankees top 15 prospects are pitchers, and 10 of them are right handed-something the Padres really need.
I am suggesting Hand, because I think the resigning of CC and a trade for Hand pretty much sets up the Yankees for 2018.
An incredibly strong bullpen would negate the need to trade for a starter like Cobb, which will be at a substantially higher price than the cost of Hand. I doubt any trade for a starting pitcher like Cobb would not have to include higher prospects like Frazier and possibly one of our two young starters- Chance Adams and Justus Sheffield.
Another advantage of a trade for Hand is that it makes the luxury tax numbers work a lot better if the Yankees can move Ellsbury with a trade that involves a salary subsidy. Hand will cost much much less than a starting pitcher.
And even though Chapman came around at the end of the season and playoffs, I like the idea of having another top flight lefty in the pen.
The one thing to consider is that although the Yankees have better chips to exchange in trade than other teams, some of those other teams are needy enough to put together a package the Yankees wouldn't be motivated enough to match.
I have nothing against Frazier, but I think the time to move him is now. I think his trade value is more likely to go down than up (he was already shown to be slipping in the 2017 mid-season prospects rankings).
And when you think about it, what are the alternatives for him if they don't trade him? Either he rides the pine or it's back to Triple-A or most likely some combination of the two with him filling in for injured players. I guess there are worse things that could happen to a guy, but he is ready to be an every day ballplayer in the bigs. If the Yankees can work out a fair trade with a team that's going to play him regularly, it's a win for everybody involved.
We eat most of Ellsbury's money to make it work. SD gets a closer and a serviceable OF. Get it done Cash.
It sounds like they're gonna be more interested in prospects than big-leaguers. Here's a blurb from November...
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The San Diego Padres arent trying to force a Brad Hand trade, but theyre certainly testing the waters. Considering how much it would take to acquire him, it makes sense that the Los Angeles Dodgers, St. Louis Cardinals, Houston Astros and the Milwaukee Brewers will be on top of the shortlist of teams the Padres can work something out with.
The Padres arent going to contend once again in 2018, so a healthy dose of young prospects for a team thats in no rush to get anywhere makes sense. Hand is a terrific reliever that any team in the majors would want, especially as a lefty. Hes also not a rental, controllable through arbitration. His projected salary for next season is under $4 million, making him quite a catch.
Yeah that was too much wishful thinking.
Takes the song off of the plane
Ohtani situation.
...do we need another bomber in the line-up, or a stud front line starter?
Maybe down the road both can happen.
...do we need another bomber in the line-up, or a stud front line starter?
Maybe down the road both can happen.
Fair point, but theres no starter of Stantons class out there in free agency, and any available by trade command a zillion prospects. Waiting to see who Yanks are sending in return before judging this trade, but sounds like a unique situation where Yanks had major leverage due to Marlins financial constraints with Stanton and his NTC
...do we need another bomber in the line-up, or a stud front line starter?
Maybe down the road both can happen.
This is near a no brainer if no top prospects are involved and they swizzle the money to get under the tax. What pitchers are available?
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...do we need another bomber in the line-up, or a stud front line starter?
Maybe down the road both can happen.
This is near a no brainer if no top prospects are involved and they swizzle the money to get under the tax. What pitchers are available?
Someone has to do the 1996 WCW Bash at the Beach video with Giancarlo Stanton as the 3rd man
That's true. Has that fact (no top prospects) been confirmed?
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That's true. Has that fact (no top prospects) been confirmed?
The report last night said Yankees had no interest unless they took on a contract and didn't have to give up their top guys...
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Heyman reporting it and curry confirmed it
It will be interesting how they do the lineup..
Does judge bat in the 2 spot or is it gardener-hicks-sanchez-stanton-judge-didi
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So they have apparently agreed to terms, which means the deals is pending a physical. Sherman noted earlier that a physical for Stanton is not just a formality, because he does have a fairly substantial injury history dating back a decade to high school football.
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Sources: Giancarlo Stanton to the Yankees is nearing completion. There are still hurdles in place, but the parameters of a deal have been agreed upon, as @JonHeyman first said.
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I reported #Yankees are sending at least Castro to #Marlins among veterans and prospects, but not their top ones
That would go against the no top prospects
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Stanton & Prado to the Yankees. While Castro, Headley, Frazier, Andujar & 1 other prospect to the Marlins.
That would go against the no top prospects
Ya, Andujar and Frazier are top prospects. Despite being eight ABs over the min, Frazier is still basically a prospect. If this is the deal, I don't like it.
3B Gleyber
RF Judge
LF Stanton
C Sanchez
1b Bird
who plays 2b??? I like Castro a lot.
Who is DH?
3B Gleyber
RF Judge
LF Stanton
C Sanchez
1b Bird
who plays 2b??? I like Castro a lot.
Who is DH?
Torres at 2nd - Gardy, Judge, Stanton, or Hicks at DH in a rotation
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That would go against the no top prospects
As long as there are no pitching prospects involved I'm fine with it
Gleyber Torres 2B
Judge RF
Stanton DH
Bird 1B
Sanchez C
Didi SS
Hicks CF
T. Frazier 3B (if they re-sign him)
3B Gleyber
RF Judge
LF Stanton
C Sanchez
1b Bird
who plays 2b??? I like Castro a lot.
Who is DH?
Dont forget about Didi.
Lol wow. This lineup is ridiculous
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No other major leaguers are going to #Marlins in the Stanton trade besides Castro according to Marlins source
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No other major leaguers are going to #Marlins in the Stanton trade besides Castro according to Marlins source
Does major leaguers mean Clint Frazier?
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No other major leaguers are going to #Marlins in the Stanton trade besides Castro according to Marlins source
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No other major leaguers are going to #Marlins in the Stanton trade besides Castro according to Marlins source
So that TMZ thing is fake I guess. Because they had Headley involved. Also Frazier who I would assume is considered a major leaguer?
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No other major leaguers are going to #Marlins in the Stanton trade besides Castro according to Marlins source
Damn...wish Headley went too. No way Ellsbury was going.
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No other major leaguers are going to #Marlins in the Stanton trade besides Castro according to Marlins source
Wow that sucks. That makes it difficult for them to be under the tax threshold. Headley and Castros combined salary could have offset Stanton's for this year. If the Marlins aren't taking Headley either then I hope we don't give them even a Frazier or Andujar level prospect.
My biggest issue with the cost in players/prospects is that these were some of their best (but expendable) bargaining chips for landing a frontline pitcher this winter or at the trading deadline. I think Torres and Florial will remain untouchables, with Adams and/or Sheffield left to highlight any future trades.
Speaking of Ohtani, Buster Olney said yesterday on Kay's show that MLB will likely investigate the Ohtani signing process very closely. There are whispers out there that people close to Ohtani have new cars or kororcyxles all of a sudden.
My biggest issue with the cost in players/prospects is that these were some of their best (but expendable) bargaining chips for landing a frontline pitcher this winter or at the trading deadline. I think Torres and Florial will remain untouchables, with Adams and/or Sheffield left to highlight any future trades.
Why make a deal when Adams and/or Sheffield just may be a part of the rotation very soon? They dont have to make a deal. They are loaded with young arms
My biggest issue with the cost in players/prospects is that these were some of their best (but expendable) bargaining chips for landing a frontline pitcher this winter or at the trading deadline. I think Torres and Florial will remain untouchables, with Adams and/or Sheffield left to highlight any future trades.
Frazier and Andujar have not lost any value. Both are projected to be starting players in the majors and will be very good ones. The limited action they saw last year did not dent their status as top prospects.
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Could trade for a top 5 player in baseball without giving up any top prospects and still not like the deal.
My concern is that he is coming off a career year and won't be a top 5 or 10 or even a top 15 or 20 player going forward. Last year he hit .281, but the year before that he hit .240 and his lifetime batting average is .268.
Nobody cares about batting average anymore. Its a terrible metric to judge value
Doubt that is the deal, because what type of sources does TMZ Sports have? If it is, I don't like it. That is two of our top prospects. I wouldn't give up any. Just take on all the money and hold firm on no top prospects. Marlins are desperate to unload this contract and he has a NTC he has yielded already. No way I include even one of Frazier or Andujar in this deal. We're talking about a stud, but one with a 10 year contract to age 37, and the guy has an injury history. And the only position he has ever played, we have Judge. So he is essentially a DH for us.
Gardner and Ellsbury won't be included. Right now the only major leaguer that is confirmed to be a part of the deal is Castro. I hope we can get rid of Headley as well.
Gardner is defacto captain. Doubt he goes (hopefully).
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3B Gleyber
RF Judge
LF Stanton
C Sanchez
1b Bird
who plays 2b??? I like Castro a lot.
Who is DH?
Torres at 2nd - Gardy, Judge, Stanton, or Hicks at DH in a rotation
Uhhhhh, no way in hell Stanton plays LF over Gardner.
Wrong.
Judge will move to LF. And they will have to DH spot to rotate them all around.
I read that Stanton flew to Tampa last night to meet with Yankees officials and take his physical today.
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and no, people, giancarlo wouldn't invoke no-trade just to mess with jeter. it is his call what to do, but yankees have been working with the belief he would accept NYY. @CraigMish list of dodgers, nyy, astros, cubs as likely approvals thought to be accurate.
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give marlins/mike hill credit. he was able to make 3 quick agreements for stanton. also shows you how much marlins needed to move him. there's no way to get to reasonable payroll (85M-90M) without dealing GS.
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The #Yankees are back to being those damn Yankees, Dec. 9,2017.
Lol. The Dodgers get to have a $300 million payroll year after year and nobody says a word. The Yankees have Stanton basically forced on them in a deal too good to be true and people immediately start crying about the damn Yankees.
Evil Empire, baby! I love it.
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Lol. The Dodgers get to have a $300 million payroll year after year and nobody says a word. The Yankees have Stanton basically forced on them in a deal too good to be true and people immediately start crying about the damn Yankees.
Evil Empire, baby! I love it.
Exactly. At this point, it doesn't even phase me. Might as well embrace it. Yeah, we're the heels, blah, blah, blah. Now, go win championships. :)
I'll bet it moved...
We have Torreyes. Why would we need Prado?
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Know when we know, at this point no need to listen to the rumors, wait until we hear from the people we know are informed. Right now we know Castro. We don't know about Prado coming here for sure either, if he does then maybe Headley is also included.
We have Torreyes. Why would we need Prado?
I think Prado replaces Todd Frazier
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The Yankees and Marlins are negotiating the final terms of a trade for reigning NL MVP Giancarlo Stanton, a source told ESPN's Buster Olney.
Yankees get Stanton for Starlin Castro and prospect Trevor Stephan (30th on MLB, teens on BA). Is that it?
Trevor Stephan 3rd round pick in 2017
Scouting grades: Fastball: 60 | Slider: 50 | Changeup: 45 | Control: 55 | Overall: 45
If that is all that the Yankees give up for Stanton then it is a huge win for them. I realize that contract will likely be an albatross at some point but it gives the Yankees another star power hitter for 5-6 years. It also allows them to trade Frazier for SP help.
Ha - nice and only at 10 x the annual salary...
And holy cow - imagine if Bird stays healthy and starts a run of launching moonshots to right field like he is capable. Also, expect Torres to come up and play 2nd in place of Castro. He goes on tears as well. There's going to be some high scoring games this season and more than a few pitchers' ERA is going to explode. Can't imagine any pitcher wanting to face this lineup.
Future's so bright, I gotta wear shades!
And holy cow - imagine if Bird stays healthy and starts a run of launching moonshots to right field like he is capable. Also, expect Torres to come up and play 2nd in place of Castro. He goes on tears as well. There's going to be some high scoring games this season and more than a few pitchers' ERA is going to explode. Can't imagine any pitcher wanting to face this lineup.
Future's so bright, I gotta wear shades!
Don't forgot about Didi or Sanchez when you dream about the lineup. Gonna need some thicker shades!!
oh wait...oh boy.
Heyman said the same on WFAN in the last hour. Makes sense. If youre the Marlins. Who should be contracted
He also said he still cant confirm the players in the deal aside from Stanton
Trading Stanton would have been the priority regardless of ownership group.
LOL. Fans and writers of all other teams are butt hurt.
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Trading Stanton would have been the priority regardless of ownership group.
Trading Stanton isn't objectionable. Dumping him for Starlin Castro and some fritos is.
Haha, a bunch of people are. Miamis biggest homer Dan Lebatard too. I guess the fact that they had deals in place with St. Louis AND San Fran first, but got shot down by Stanton went right over their heads. Stanton gave Jeter 4 teams and the other 3 obviously arent interested. What the hell is he supposed to do?
Freaking clowns.
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Trading Stanton would have been the priority regardless of ownership group.
Trading Stanton isn't objectionable. Dumping him for Starlin Castro and some fritos is.
What are they supposed to do when the previous ownership gave him a full no trade clause? They did their best getting good deals from Cards and Giants. Stanton didn't want to go there. Cant blame the Marlins new ownership. I think them dumping all of Stanton's salary and taking back just Castro's $22 million, which can easily be moved off the books via another trade, is a good job by them. They were handcuffed by Stanton's contract.
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about collusion between Jeter and the Yanks.. I love me some salty Boston tears.
Haha, a bunch of people are. Miamis biggest homer Dan Lebatard too. I guess the fact that they had deals in place with St. Louis AND San Fran first, but got shot down by Stanton went right over their heads. Stanton gave Jeter 4 teams and the other 3 obviously arent interested. What the hell is he supposed to do?
Freaking clowns.
Dan LeBatard is worse than Skip Bayliss. Absolutely can't stand him. Biggest Miami homer and biggest Jeter since the Marlins were sold.
The packages from SF and Cards were pretty pedestrian, this is a salary dump, we cant give up anything good.
If Ohtani is a #1, he'd be more valuable to the Yanks than Stanton. But it's one wild response to losing out on him.
Mariano will buy the Angels and trade us Trout and Ohtani, just wait 😂😂😂
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Trading Stanton would have been the priority regardless of ownership group.
Trading Stanton isn't objectionable. Dumping him for Starlin Castro and some fritos is.
What are they supposed to do when the previous ownership gave him a full no trade clause? They did their best getting good deals from Cards and Giants. Stanton didn't want to go there. Cant blame the Marlins new ownership. I think them dumping all of Stanton's salary and taking back just Castro's $22 million, which can easily be moved off the books via another trade, is a good job by them. They were handcuffed by Stanton's contract.
I said this on another thread. Staton has every right to do so per the NTC. He's under 30, making 300M over the next decade. Where he said he would ok trades to shows he's thinking about his brand beyond baseball. All 4 teams are major-market opportunities with teams that will be competitive. He approached it the right way, and Jeter was foolish to think he would be persuaded otherwise.
Not that we would expect anything different from that sniveling twat Simmons, but anyone who followed baseball the past ten years knows Jeter and Cashman arent on each others holiday card list, and theres zero chance Jeter would do Cash any favors in a trade out of some kind of residual Yankees loyalty.
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Haha, a bunch of people are. Miamis biggest homer Dan Lebatard too. I guess the fact that they had deals in place with St. Louis AND San Fran first, but got shot down by Stanton went right over their heads. Stanton gave Jeter 4 teams and the other 3 obviously arent interested. What the hell is he supposed to do?
Freaking clowns.
Exactly. Let's not let facts get in the way. I can understand IF the Yanks were the only team the Marlins dealt . That was NOT the case. Haters gonna hate.
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the agreed-upon deal: yankees get stanton plus about $35M, marlins gets castro plus prospects
Stan, seriously, STFU. Stick to trolling your own stupid Lonzo thread.
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the agreed-upon deal: yankees get stanton plus about $35M, marlins gets castro plus prospects
Sp, tha Marlins pay $35 million of Stantons contract? That makes it even easier to get under the tax.
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Trading Stanton would have been the priority regardless of ownership group.
Trading Stanton isn't objectionable. Dumping him for Starlin Castro and some fritos is.
What are they supposed to do when the previous ownership gave him a full no trade clause? They did their best getting good deals from Cards and Giants. Stanton didn't want to go there. Cant blame the Marlins new ownership. I think them dumping all of Stanton's salary and taking back just Castro's $22 million, which can easily be moved off the books via another trade, is a good job by them. They were handcuffed by Stanton's contract.
It's a difficult situation, I get it. You cannot tell me this was the best possible deal for this player. It's not like Stanton was only willing to go to one team. We're not even at the winter meetings yet. What was the rush to do this?
Didi is hilarious. Love him.
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One name to monitor in Stanton deal is Jorge Guzman, a 21-year old RHP who throws 100 MPH. Guzman was 5-3 w/ 2.30 ERA and 88K/18BB in 66 2/3 IP at Class A Staten Island. Baseball America rated him #7 on Yankees prospects list. Fits criteria of what Marlins are said to be getting.
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stanton is on his way to NYC (or there already) for physical. so obviously, he is approving deal.
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Trading Stanton would have been the priority regardless of ownership group.
Trading Stanton isn't objectionable. Dumping him for Starlin Castro and some fritos is.
What are they supposed to do when the previous ownership gave him a full no trade clause? They did their best getting good deals from Cards and Giants. Stanton didn't want to go there. Cant blame the Marlins new ownership. I think them dumping all of Stanton's salary and taking back just Castro's $22 million, which can easily be moved off the books via another trade, is a good job by them. They were handcuffed by Stanton's contract.
It's a difficult situation, I get it. You cannot tell me this was the best possible deal for this player. It's not like Stanton was only willing to go to one team. We're not even at the winter meetings yet. What was the rush to do this?
Bro and Evan asked Heyman about this earlier, he said the Cubs and Astros showed no interest, and the Dodgers were monitoring, but are already at $250 million payroll and never seriously negotiated. Marlins were really in a corner on this one
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Trading Stanton would have been the priority regardless of ownership group.
Trading Stanton isn't objectionable. Dumping him for Starlin Castro and some fritos is.
What are they supposed to do when the previous ownership gave him a full no trade clause? They did their best getting good deals from Cards and Giants. Stanton didn't want to go there. Cant blame the Marlins new ownership. I think them dumping all of Stanton's salary and taking back just Castro's $22 million, which can easily be moved off the books via another trade, is a good job by them. They were handcuffed by Stanton's contract.
It's a difficult situation, I get it. You cannot tell me this was the best possible deal for this player. It's not like Stanton was only willing to go to one team. We're not even at the winter meetings yet. What was the rush to do this?
Bro and Evan asked Heyman about this earlier, he said the Cubs and Astros showed no interest, and the Dodgers were monitoring, but are already at $250 million payroll and never seriously negotiated. Marlins were really in a corner on this one
Everything goes back to the summer of 2016 when the Yankees decided to go with their rebuild and look to free up this money. The plan was to be ready for the 2018 free agent class. Just like last year where they were a year ahead of schedule, they were a year ahead now with the ability to land Stanton, essentially for nothing.
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Source: Marlins will get Castro and two prospects from the Yankees. Yankees will assume $265 million of the $295 million on Stantons contract.[/qupte]
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-Castro and lower level prospects for Stanton is almost nothing
-Yanks have a lot of money coming off this year and will still be below the threshold
-Yankees intend to keep Gardner
-Yankees won't be able to move Ellsbury or even a part of his salary
-Yankees will be under $197 million regardless of moves made
-Boone is a really smart guy who believes in analytics. Yankees gave Boone the keys to a Lambo when he just got his driver's license
-The pressure on the team goes up. They have to win now. No underdog stories anymore.
-Some Yankee fans don't like the move but this move makes them so much better
-Getting Stanton for Castro is astonishing
-Injury concern for Stanton is overplayed by some
-It would be unfair to move Judge to Left. At home they should play Gardner in Left and have Stanton DH. Stanton could play LF on the road. He'll mostly be a DH.
-Havent heard names of prospects going to Marlins but they will not be top guys. Lower level guys more likely.
You were not gonna get him for nothing. We gave up a better prospect in Rutherford for lesser player than Stanton.
From Twitter- looks like $3 million in tax credit for the next 10 years.
#Yankees will receive luxury tax credit of $3 million per year in Stanton trade; $30 million cash payment from #Marlins is averaged over the 10 years regardless of when payouts come, and even though opt-out exists. @MLB @MLBNetwork
Teams get to decide how they want to allocate any money included in a deal. The Yanks could apply it over the next 2 seasons- or use it in different seasons- or simply just spread it out evenly.
Keep in mind that the luxury tax computation is not obvious here. Stanton's deal has a AAV of $25M for luxury tax purposes. Castro has an AAV of $8,571,500 for the next two seasons.
Therefore, for luxury tax purposes, Stanton's deal only adds $16,428,500 for the next two seasons, then adds $25M per the rest of the way- BEFORE applying the $30M.
Let's assume that the Yanks decide to apply the $30M over the next two seasons. Since Stanton adds $16,428,500 x 2 = $32,857,000. If the Yanks applies the $30M to that total, the Yanks would essentially be adding $2.857M over the next TWO seasons to their current luxury tax computations.
Keep in mind that Stanton has an "opt out" after the 2020 season. Given what Machado and Harper will almost certainly achieve after the 2018 season (sure to break through the $300M barrier- and POSSIBLY the $400M barrier), Stanton will almost certainly opt out.
Thus, the Yanks will be likely to apply the $30M either over the next 2 years or 3 years, in order to make sure that they get the full benefit of that $$$.
Therefore, if the Yanks were to spread that $30M over the next 3 years, the luxury tax hit would be an added $27.857M added to their current totals over the next 3 seasons- with most of it on the back end (the 2020 season).
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The #Yankees will only receive the $30M if Stanton does NOT opt out after the 2020 season. #Marlins
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If the Marlins cover $30 million, hows that effect the tax rest this year? Can the Yankees manipulate that to show more money saved this season and payout more each successive season, or would the savings be averaged out over the term of the deal?
From Twitter- looks like $3 million in tax credit for the next 10 years.
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Unless the rules changed in the new CBA, this isn't true. Go back and look how the Yanks allocated the money from Vernon Wells that they got in the Angels deal.
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The minor leaguers #Marlins are getting are Jorge Guzman and Jose Devers, who is Rafael Devers' cousin.
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Not the most in depth article, but if hes been traded it certainly looks like Miami may have found an absolute stud if he can maintain quality mechanics. Kind of flies in the face of just a salary dump from Miamis perspective. I get that they cant purely trade Stanton just to get rid of his salary and not get a return, but if the Yankees really were the only team that remained as a trading partner (LA supposedly not wanting to add his salary), why even give up a prospect the caliber of Guzman? Make Miami take something lesser. Its not like they could back off the Stanton trade and not have it be a total mess after all theyd gone through already. Jorge Guzman - 2018 preview - ( New Window )
You were not gonna get him for nothing. We gave up a better prospect in Rutherford for lesser player than Stanton.
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Not the most in depth article, but if hes been traded it certainly looks like Miami may have found an absolute stud if he can maintain quality mechanics. Kind of flies in the face of just a salary dump from Miamis perspective. I get that they cant purely trade Stanton just to get rid of his salary and not get a return, but if the Yankees really were the only team that remained as a trading partner (LA supposedly not wanting to add his salary), why even give up a prospect the caliber of Guzman? Make Miami take something lesser. Its not like they could back off the Stanton trade and not have it be a total mess after all theyd gone through already. Jorge Guzman - 2018 preview - ( New Window )
You were not gonna get him for nothing. We gave up a better prospect in Rutherford for lesser player than Stanton.
I get it, I would t undo the trade to save Guzman. Just pondering how desperate Miami really would have been to dump Stantons contract if NY was the only viable trade partner and didnt give in to Denbos wish list. Again, do the trade and dont look back.
They were 29th in attendee last last year. Dropping to 30 is not much of a drop.
We need more front line pitching, and as I see it these two guys give us the best chance to land a decent starter.
Andujar to 3B
Torres to 2B
Florial to CF
Set for 10 years!
Andujar to 3B
Torres to 2B
Florial to CF
Set for 10 years!
Any idea of the prospects we gave up?
I think that they view Florial as the long term solution in CF. So Hicks has to play there for 2 years or so...not a bad thing given his great defense and decent bat.
He battled injuries which hurt(no pun intended), but if you annualize his numbers, he hit .266 with 30 HR's and a .367 OBP.
He battled injuries which hurt(no pun intended), but if you annualize his numbers, he hit .266 with 30 HR's and a .367 OBP.
He was amazing in the first half. 300 average and 400 on base for a while. He's a great bottom of the order guy. And he has decent speed.
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There doesn't seem to be anywhere for him to play. Is there a young, cost controlled pitcher we can target in a trade by dangling Frazier?
Does the name Gerrit Cole ring a bell?
That would make a lot of sense. The Yankees would have to add a little more though.
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(B) Ditch Castro to offset some of the cost.
(C) Replace Castro with Torres, rather than spending on a 2B.
(D) Hold onto top tier prospects, possibly deal Clint for starting pitching.
(E) Stay in position to spend big in FA next winter.
Cashman does it again.
They will be under the tax threshold. That is a given at this point. They will have enough money to add another pitcher.
Then Cashman trades Castro and lotto tickets for Stanton
Just wow.
Guy is amazing
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Could trade for a top 5 player in baseball without giving up any top prospects and still not like the deal.
My concern is that he is coming off a career year and won't be a top 5 or 10 or even a top 15 or 20 player going forward. Last year he hit .281, but the year before that he hit .240 and his lifetime batting average is .268.
Nobody cares about batting average anymore. Its a terrible metric to judge value
Also a terrible metric (by which) to value Judge.
;)
Then Cashman trades Castro and lotto tickets for Stanton
Just wow.
Guy is amazing
That's why he's signing a 5 year $25 million extension.
Were you addressing my post? I had a team taking Ellsbury for $5-7M a year, and the Yanks paying the rest. I'm guessing that some team might be willing to do that.
Remember that Frazier lost a ton of development time last year with that lat injury. He can easily be sent to AAA to work on some things.
Keep in mind as well that Gardner is a FA at the end of the year. I think Stanton will be a DH most of the time, and could remain there if Frazier were to take over for Gardner in 2019.
We also need to keep in mind that Stanton has an opt-out after 2020. Keeping Frazier around allows the Yanks to keep a potentially high end bat around to ease the potential loss of Stanton down the road.
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Gets warren back plus Torres quickly for a rental who we got back asap also..
Then Cashman trades Castro and lotto tickets for Stanton
Just wow.
Guy is amazing
That's why he's signing a 5 year $25 million extension.
This is what happens when you set up the revenue streams the Yankees have, with the willingness to spend, and have the farm system rework the past 3-4 years all burst at the same time. It's the perfect storm to allow them to land guys like Stanton, and others in the future. Essentially, the Yankees became as good as your small market teams ability to bring in cost controlled talent and augment with big price stars to fill out the roster. Once the pitching comes into play, this team has dynasty written all over it again. For those too young to remember the Yankee machine as it started to rev up in 1995 and 1996, you are seeing it now.
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could be a useful player for some team. But don't think we'll find a team willing to take on 25% of Ellsbury's contract. So 50% is a bigger dream.
Were you addressing my post? I had a team taking Ellsbury for $5-7M a year, and the Yanks paying the rest. I'm guessing that some team might be willing to do that.
No, it was a general comment about Ellsbury. I agree with you. If a team is willing to pay even that much of Ellsbury's salary then we should do it. Just not gonna happen.
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But Stanton has a history with injuries and could be destined for more time at DH eventually and Gardner has a year left here. So I agree, I wouldn't write off Clint as a part of this future core
Remember that Frazier lost a ton of development time last year with that lat injury. He can easily be sent to AAA to work on some things.
Keep in mind as well that Gardner is a FA at the end of the year. I think Stanton will be a DH most of the time, and could remain there if Frazier were to take over for Gardner in 2019.
We also need to keep in mind that Stanton has an opt-out after 2020. Keeping Frazier around allows the Yanks to keep a potentially high end bat around to ease the potential loss of Stanton down the road.
Yep absolutely, could be available for the right pitcher, but we could easily send him to AAA and he's the first call up after an injury, ready to take over LF in 2019 with Stanton at DH
Id consider attaching Frazier to Ellsbury if it helps jettison that Ellsbury contract with no/minimal $ retention.
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Could trade for a top 5 player in baseball without giving up any top prospects and still not like the deal.
My concern is that he is coming off a career year and won't be a top 5 or 10 or even a top 15 or 20 player going forward. Last year he hit .281, but the year before that he hit .240 and his lifetime batting average is .268.
Nobody cares about batting average anymore. Its a terrible metric to judge value
Also a terrible metric (by which) to value Judge.
;)
Note that Stanton has a CAREER OBP of .360 and a career SLG of .554- for a career OPS of .914.
Just to put that in perspective, in 2017- which was a season of inflated offensive production league-wide, only 20 players (including Stanton himself) had an OPS in excess of .914
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prospects going to marlins are rhp jorge guzman and infielder jose devers. considered mid-range prospects, but ex-yankee exec gary denbo obviously sees potential. @Joelsherman1 1st with prospects
One issue with trading Gardner is that the team really doesn't have another guy who's ideal in the leadoff spot.
There is a possibility that the Yanks could enter the 2020 off-season without ANY long term financial commitments.
There is a possibility that the Yanks could enter the 2020 off-season without ANY long term financial commitments.
Just don't see Stanton opting out and leaving that much money on the table. He'll be 31 and will not get more money in the open market. He'll be leaving $218 on the table with the opt out.
Keep in mind that the Yanks have Gardner ($13M for luxury tax purposes), Headley ($13M for luxury tax purposes) and DRob ($11.5M for luxury tax purposes) coming off the payroll at the end of the season.
Even with adding Stanton ($25M for luxury tax purposes) and subtracting Castro ($8,571,500 for luxury tax purposes), the Yanks are still about $10M BELOW the luxury tax line.
Ellsbury is not tradeable now, but at the same time, there is no need to trade him for luxury tax purposes. He serves a purpose- he can be a late-inning baserunner, injury insurance and a guy who can give a day of rest for several guys. While he might be the highest paid insurance policy in MLB, trading him is not a NEED. But with the $21M per salary and his FULL no-trade clause, he isn't going anywhere.
I'll admit it, I have a Cashmancrush.
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Stanton has an opt-out after 2020. Which just happens to be the same time that Ellsbury and Tanaka's deals end. Chapman would be the only long-term deal left- but he ALSO has an opt-out.
There is a possibility that the Yanks could enter the 2020 off-season without ANY long term financial commitments.
Just don't see Stanton opting out and leaving that much money on the table. He'll be 31 and will not get more money in the open market. He'll be leaving $218 on the table with the opt out.
No, I think he will. Harper and Machado are going to break the $300M mark- and possibly the $400M mark. Stanton won't get a 10 year deal, but after those deals, getting a deal worth $30-35M annually might not be unrealistic.
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Yelich is the main topic of conversation among Braves fans right now. The cost would be immense as he is locked up to a great deal through 2022.
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But Stanton has a history with injuries and could be destined for more time at DH eventually and Gardner has a year left here. So I agree, I wouldn't write off Clint as a part of this future core
Remember that Frazier lost a ton of development time last year with that lat injury. He can easily be sent to AAA to work on some things.
Keep in mind as well that Gardner is a FA at the end of the year. I think Stanton will be a DH most of the time, and could remain there if Frazier were to take over for Gardner in 2019.
We also need to keep in mind that Stanton has an opt-out after 2020. Keeping Frazier around allows the Yanks to keep a potentially high end bat around to ease the potential loss of Stanton down the road.
Yep absolutely, could be available for the right pitcher, but we could easily send him to AAA and he's the first call up after an injury, ready to take over LF in 2019 with Stanton at DH
Exactly right. Stanton doesnt change Frazier's future much at all. Frazier is still the eventual Gardner replacement in LF, that hasn't changed.
Only two prospects are Jorge Guzman and Jose Devers. Two guys that haven't even played above rookie ball in minors. So I really like it. Guzman is actually a top 10 prospect for Yanks (usually around 7-10 on lists), we got him last year in Brian McCann trade. Devers is a nobody so far as he is only 17 years old from D.R. (happens to be Rafael's cousin for you Sox fans). Guzman is an absolute flamethrower and throws over 100. Could be a stud, but he is a lottery ticket. Since is 3 years away, and you have no idea what can happen between now and then. He wasn't even top guy in McCann trade, that was another P named Alberto Abreu...who is a bigger prospect at this time.
So all things considered, even being very well versed with Yanks farm system and not wanting to give up any top prospects...I am more than good with this.
It doesn't matter what he wants as no team is going to eat that contract unless the Yankees eat more than half that contract.
Agreed. I never trust NL pitchers coming here. I'd explore the FA market and keep our pen together.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statsplits.aspx?playerid=13125&position=P&season=0&split=0.1#standard
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Gardner
Hicks
Sanchez
Stanton
Judge
Bird
Didi
[Headley?]
Torres
Would probably want Didi or Bird to break up the three righties in the middle of the order, but we'll see.
It appears they'll stay under the luxury tax and score Stanton. That's a pretty big condsideration.
The asking price for a 26 year old FOR starter from a division rival will be enormous.
Gardner
Hicks
Sanchez
Stanton
Judge
Bird
Didi
[Headley?]
Torres
Would probably want Didi or Bird to break up the three righties in the middle of the order, but we'll see.
Not a fan of that lineup at all. Judge has to bat 2nd or 3rd. Sanchez will be batting lower.
Some have suggested:
Gardner
Judge
Bird
Stanton
Sanchez
Didi
Hicks
Hadley/Andujar
Torreyes/Torres
Coincidently, Stromans been chattering on Twitter about the Stanton deal this morning. Hes trying to prove hes not intimidated already by this lineup:)
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Gardner
Judge
Bird
Stanton
Sanchez
Didi
Hicks
Headley/Andujar
Torreyes/Torres
Best hitter on team is Sanchez - should bat 3rd.
p.s.--Also I preferred Harper to Stanton, but a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush (especially when it arrives a year earlier and costs less).
I guess one advantage of doing so is if we bat Bird between Judge and Stanton, hell be set to get a ton of pitches to hit...could be set up for a monster season himself
That was kind of what I was asking - Girardi would but I dont know about Boone.
Gardner
Judge
Bird
Stanton
Sanchez
Didi
Hicks
Headley
2B
To start the season. When Torres takes over 2B or 3B he might wind up hitting 2nd. The lineup with him in it is crazy if healthy.
Small price I guess, but this severely decrease our payroll flexibility. No matter what kind of fuzzy math you do, 10/300M is still 10/300M. He may be a freak athlete and can last into his late 30's, but he does already have some injury history.
Small price I guess, but this severely decrease our payroll flexibility. No matter what kind of fuzzy math you do, 10/300M is still 10/300M. He may be a freak athlete and can last into his late 30's, but he does already have some injury history.
Stanton will have almost zero effect on long term flexibility. It dont think you understand how much flexibility having all of these young cost controlled players will provide. In two years Ellsbury will literally be the only long term contract left, other than Stanton. Grady, Tanaka, Headley, CC....all of these guys will be gone. Stanton making $25 per is not going to have any effect at all on flexibility, thanks to the incredible job Cashman has done with the farm.
Are you new to baseball? Im pretty sure that nobody on this site needs to go look at the stats when it comes to Stanton. We all know who he is and what hes done. Hes an absolute monster. A top 5 player in baseball when healthy. And we all know that health is the key concern.
I hope you get this out of your system and we dont have to suffer you complaining about Stanton for the next 10 years. For fucks sake man, enjoy the ride. Stop worrying so damned much. Its good to be a Yankee fan right now, stop trying to piss on the parade.
In 8 seasons, his career OPS is .914, which is 3rd best among active players under 30 after Trout and Goldschmidt.
We're all just fans here kicking around opinions, but it really seems like you're trying very hard to invent negatives about this deal. Yes, the last 2-3 years of the contract may be bad, but outside of that there's no downside here.
Also, Castro had great moments but he's a maddening player and I think lots of BBIers discussed trading him this offseason if possible. If Torres can take over at 2B and do well this seems like a real upgrade all the way around. Need another starting pitcher and a resolution for 3B, maybe a better backup catcher - otherwise looking pretty well set.
Also, Castro had great moments but he's a maddening player and I think lots of BBIers discussed trading him this offseason if possible. If Torres can take over at 2B and do well this seems like a real upgrade all the way around. Need another starting pitcher and a resolution for 3B, maybe a better backup catcher - otherwise looking pretty well set.
The way I see it, if Torres comes in and plays a solid 2nd base and hits ok, he'll be a net neutral. If he can come in and bat like he's being touted as and can play a solid 2nd, we're in fucking business.
I think they will have to put up a screen in the outfield to protect the fans :)
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Prior to last year, his previous career high in HR's was 37. And out of 7 full seasons he's played more than 150 games exactly twice.
Are you new to baseball? Im pretty sure that nobody on this site needs to go look at the stats when it comes to Stanton. We all know who he is and what hes done. Hes an absolute monster. A top 5 player in baseball when healthy. And we all know that health is the key concern.
I hope you get this out of your system and we dont have to suffer you complaining about Stanton for the next 10 years. For fucks sake man, enjoy the ride. Stop worrying so damned much. Its good to be a Yankee fan right now, stop trying to piss on the parade.
This is why people hate some Yankees fans. Always bitching about something coupled with a sense of entitlement.
Health is a key concern for any player. You keep glossing over the fact that $25M per year will not have ANY effect on future dealings. None.
Youre just looking for a reason to be pissy, as usual. You actually had to go back and look at stats to learn about Stanton. You have a right to your opinion of course but you really shouldnt be so loud about it. Its obvious that you dont know much about the player.
The only number that matters when it comes to salary is the number that counts against the tax cap. Stanton's annual salary against the cap is going to be $22 million. Which is a lot less then what Harper and Machado would have cost. This deal is a no brainer for the Yankees. I don't know why one Yankee fans are so hung up on being against it. It didn't cost us a single significant prospect. It doesn't hinder the Yankees plans of getting under the tax threshold. It makes the lineup significantly better.
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Prior to last year, his previous career high in HR's was 37. And out of 7 full seasons he's played more than 150 games exactly twice.
In 8 seasons, his career OPS is .914, which is 3rd best among active players under 30 after Trout and Goldschmidt.
We're all just fans here kicking around opinions, but it really seems like you're trying very hard to invent negatives about this deal. Yes, the last 2-3 years of the contract may be bad, but outside of that there's no downside here.
Hes also got the out option so it may only be a 3 years of prime Stanton with no long term commitment anyways. But Jim will continue to ignore that too.
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Prior to last year, his previous career high in HR's was 37. And out of 7 full seasons he's played more than 150 games exactly twice.
Are you new to baseball? Im pretty sure that nobody on this site needs to go look at the stats when it comes to Stanton. We all know who he is and what hes done. Hes an absolute monster. A top 5 player in baseball when healthy. And we all know that health is the key concern.
I hope you get this out of your system and we dont have to suffer you complaining about Stanton for the next 10 years. For fucks sake man, enjoy the ride. Stop worrying so damned much. Its good to be a Yankee fan right now, stop trying to piss on the parade.
This is why people hate some Yankees fans. Always bitching about something coupled with a sense of entitlement.
Exactly. They get a top 5 player for Starlin Castro and this guy is worried about taking money out of Steinbrenner pocket. People just can never enjoy things. Lets worry about what that contract will look like when we are all wearing depends and drooling on ourselves instead.
gardner
judge
bird
stanton
sanchez
didi
then any order of
hicks
headley
torres
i know we all want to see judge and stanton back to back but best bet option is to put bird in there
This alone should put everyone's concerns to rest.
According to The Baseball Gauges park adjustments, Marlins Park was the third-most-difficult home run-hitting park for right-handed batters last season, which had the effect of depressing righty homers by about 20 percent relative to an average MLB ballpark. You read that right: Stanton smashed an MLB-leading 59 bombs the most in baseball since 2001 and took a serious run at Roger Mariss pre-steroids HR record despite playing in one of the games most difficult parks for right-handed power hitters.
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Stanton plus whichever low-cost player plays 2B will cost the Yanks against the cap about what Castro and Holliday did last year.
This alone should put everyone's concerns to rest.
Nope. someone will figure out a way to complain. Joyless fucks.
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Stanton plus whichever low-cost player plays 2B will cost the Yanks against the cap about what Castro and Holliday did last year.
This alone should put everyone's concerns to rest.
Nope. someone will figure out a way to complain. Joyless fucks.
Can't imagine not being excited about this gift. I would not be surprised if Cashman makes another move or two at the winter meetings, certainly not at this level.
Hand is only 27 and only earned 1.375 mil last year and he is controlled thru 2019.
Hand is the best lefty reliever available, and its very likely the Padres will move him to the highest bidder for a package of prospects.
With the farm system loaded, here is an opportunity to create the best bullpen in baseball-by far. Lefty's would be Chapman and Hand, and righty's would be DRob, Kahnle, Betances, Green and probably Warren as the long man.
Hand last year pitched in the 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th, including over 20 saves.
A strong contender is very likely to get Hand in a trade next week, and the farm system is loaded enough right now that it could handle creating a package better than any other team would offer and would create some needed flexibility on the 40 man.
Shreve could certainly be part of a package and others that could be considered include Holder and Mitchell.
The trade for Stanton is already a huge plus, but putting together a prospect swap for a young player like Hand would lessen the need for the trade cost of getting another starter.
With a bullpen that strong, the return of CC and spring training battle of young starters would eliminate the need for getting another starter from outside
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So...9 guys will be hitting doubles or hard singles in the first on a Sox pitcher having first inning troubles?
6+ in the first will be enough.. Oh wait! Farrell's gone.
May only be 4.
He should ask 5M for it. If they dump him to get it offer out 2M, or file a grievance...he might as well get something for giving it up.
Its gotta be there now, no?
The more the Giants suck, the better the Yanks get.
'56-63 was so good for fans when both were winning.
Hand is only 27 and only earned 1.375 mil last year and he is controlled thru 2019.
Hand is the best lefty reliever available, and its very likely the Padres will move him to the highest bidder for a package of prospects.
With the farm system loaded, here is an opportunity to create the best bullpen in baseball-by far. Lefty's would be Chapman and Hand, and righty's would be DRob, Kahnle, Betances, Green and probably Warren as the long man.
Hand last year pitched in the 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th, including over 20 saves.
A strong contender is very likely to get Hand in a trade next week, and the farm system is loaded enough right now that it could handle creating a package better than any other team would offer and would create some needed flexibility on the 40 man.
Shreve could certainly be part of a package and others that could be considered include Holder and Mitchell.
The trade for Stanton is already a huge plus, but putting together a prospect swap for a young player like Hand would lessen the need for the trade cost of getting another starter.
With a bullpen that strong, the return of CC and spring training battle of young starters would eliminate the need for getting another starter from outside
Hand would be great but they were apparently looking for more than what the Yankees got for Champan and Miller when they dumped them. No thanks.
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to making NY a Yankees town again. Not quite there. They have a ways to go. This is a good step though.
Its gotta be there now, no?
The more the Giants suck, the better the Yanks get.
'56-63 was so good for fans when both were winning.
You are old. ;-)
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to making NY a Yankees town again. Not quite there. They have a ways to go. This is a good step though.
Its gotta be there now, no?
The more the Giants suck, the better the Yanks get.
'56-63 was so good for fans when both were winning.
You are old. ;-)
YOU'RE telling ME?!!!
I been old since I was young.
Gardner
Judge
Bird
Stanton
Sanchez
Didi
Hicks
Headley
2B
To start the season. When Torres takes over 2B or 3B he might wind up hitting 2nd. The lineup with him in it is crazy if healthy.
Oh please bird is not the best hitter. Can he have an awesome season first? He had a good month last year and a good couple of months a few years prior. Bird is potentially a terrific player but let's see this guy hit for a full season first. Part of making it as a player is actually doing it. He hasn't yet. I do think bird and Sanchez are the toughest guys to pitch to when they are on, but bird's gotta do it long term first.
The craziness of that contract post-2020 does make long-term planning more difficult.
LF: Gardy
DH: Stanton
RF: Judge
C: Sanchez
1B: Bird
SS: Didi
3B: Andujar
2B: Torres
CF: Hicks
YeH it's L/L Didi and Bird but it's tough to separate them both IMO.
Gardy
Judge
Bird
Stanton
Sanchez
Didi
Hicks
Headley
Torreyes/Torres
I might even switch Sanchez and Stanton.
Not much speed in the Yankee lineup, but quite a lot of pop.
Haha it's so true.
I have a feeling they might try Judge at leadoff with Stanton 2 but that sounds wild.
Gardy was a phenomenal leadoff guy last year. But I wouldn't complain if he hits 9th and Judge 1st.
Your def right tho, I think the post Girardi era lineups will be much spicer perhaps
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Some have suggested:
Gardner
Judge
Bird
Stanton
Sanchez
Didi
Hicks
Headley/Andujar
Torreyes/Torres
Best hitter on team is Sanchez - should bat 3rd.
1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th are all more valuable spots in the order than 3rd. The #3 hitter comes up with 2 out and nobody on pretty frequently.
The #RedSox had 168 home runs in 2017.
Dellin Betances 6'8" 265 lb.
Aaron Judge: 6'7" 282 lb.
Giancarlo Stanton 6'6" 245 lb.
Gary Sanchez 6'2" 230 lb.
I also believe strongly that Judge played nearly two months with an injured shoulder. And that Bird barely had time to get his world-class swing back in working order as the season wound down. The amount of homers from Judge, Stanton, Sanchez, Bird, Didi et al should be ridiculous. Hitting begets hitting.
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2. Judge (RF)
3. Gregorius (SS)
4. Stanton (DH)
5. Sanchez (C)
6. Bird (1B)
7. Hicks (CF)
8. Headley (3B)
9. Torres (2B)
p.s.-- Bird and Gregorius can be flipped if Didi's #s slip and Bird is hitting for a higher BA/OBP/OPS.
2. Judge (RF)
3. Gregorius (SS)
4. Stanton (DH)
5. Sanchez (C)
6. Bird (1B)
7. Hicks (CF)
8. Headley (3B)
9. Torres (2B)
p.s.-- Bird and Gregorius can be flipped if Didi's #s slip and Bird is hitting for a higher BA/OBP/OPS.
I vote for this one.
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Some have suggested:
Gardner
Judge
Bird
Stanton
Sanchez
Didi
Hicks
Headley/Andujar
Torreyes/Torres
Best hitter on team is Sanchez - should bat 3rd.
1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th are all more valuable spots in the order than 3rd. The #3 hitter comes up with 2 out and nobody on pretty frequently.
Yeah, so put Headley there...after the 1st turn thru the order, coming up with no one on base is equally spread through the order.
If Judge is 2nd, I want Sanchez behind him for protection.
2. Judge (RF)
3. Gregorius (SS)
4. Stanton (DH)
5. Sanchez (C)
6. Bird (1B)
7. Hicks (CF)
8. Headley (3B)
9. Torres (2B)
p.s.-- Bird and Gregorius can be flipped if Didi's #s slip and Bird is hitting for a higher BA/OBP/OPS.
That is the line up I think will start they year. Let Bird settle in for a while before he grabs 3 spot from Didi, who was excellemt last year. I also think we'll see Torreyes/Wade for a bit to start year before Torres is ready for 2B, where he has only played 10 games in minors at 2B amd only 53 total games above A ball.
Keep in mind that Stanton's CAREER OBP is .360. Just to put into perspective how big a difference the change makes, Castro's career OBP is .320. Torres' career LOW in OBP is .346- and it has gone up with each successive season until he put up an OBP of .383 last year.
I still am not a fan of typing up the DH position long term (at least for 3 years until his opt-out, or 10 years if he plays the contract out). I think that the flexibility there was a good thing.
I will agree however, that the trade cost the Yanks VERY little compared to value gained- and that trading Castro is addition by subtraction.
One of last year's bi problems (especially in the playoffs) was the inability of the lineup in general to get on base. For many batters, it was get a hit or get out- though Judge and Bird got their share of walks. Adding Stanton (and by the playoffs, Torres) should help diversify the lineup and make the offense as a while, tougher to get out.
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1. Gardner (LF)
2. Judge (RF)
3. Gregorius (SS)
4. Stanton (DH)
5. Sanchez (C)
6. Bird (1B)
7. Hicks (CF)
8. Headley (3B)
9. Torres (2B)
p.s.-- Bird and Gregorius can be flipped if Didi's #s slip and Bird is hitting for a higher BA/OBP/OPS.
That is the line up I think will start they year. Let Bird settle in for a while before he grabs 3 spot from Didi, who was excellemt last year. I also think we'll see Torreyes/Wade for a bit to start year before Torres is ready for 2B, where he has only played 10 games in minors at 2B amd only 53 total games above A ball.
Remember that the Yanks no longer have Girardi at manager. Boone is more likely to adopt the analytics guys ideas.
I suspect that barring more trades, the lineup is more likely to be:
Gardner LF
Judge RF
Bird 1B
Stanton DH
Sanchez C
Gregorius SS
Hicks CF
Andujar 3B (Headley may get dealt)
Torres 2B (probably Wade or maybe Torreyes early in the season).
IMO, there is also a legitimate possibility that if Torres continues to post very high OBP numbers like he did in the minors that he could move up to #2 in the order and push everyone else down a slot accordingly.
I am suggesting Hand, because I think the resigning of CC and a trade for Hand pretty much sets up the Yankees for 2018.
An incredibly strong bullpen would negate the need to trade for a starter like Cobb, which will be at a substantially higher price than the cost of Hand. I doubt any trade for a starting pitcher like Cobb would not have to include higher prospects like Frazier and possibly one of our two young starters- Chance Adams and Justus Sheffield.
Another advantage of a trade for Hand is that it makes the luxury tax numbers work a lot better if the Yankees can move Ellsbury with a trade that involves a salary subsidy. Hand will cost much much less than a starting pitcher.
And even though Chapman came around at the end of the season and playoffs, I like the idea of having another top flight lefty in the pen.
I have nothing against Frazier, but I think the time to move him is now. I think his trade value is more likely to go down than up (he was already shown to be slipping in the 2017 mid-season prospects rankings).
And when you think about it, what are the alternatives for him if they don't trade him? Either he rides the pine or it's back to Triple-A or most likely some combination of the two with him filling in for injured players. I guess there are worse things that could happen to a guy, but he is ready to be an every day ballplayer in the bigs. If the Yankees can work out a fair trade with a team that's going to play him regularly, it's a win for everybody involved.
The Padres arent going to contend once again in 2018, so a healthy dose of young prospects for a team thats in no rush to get anywhere makes sense. Hand is a terrific reliever that any team in the majors would want, especially as a lefty. Hes also not a rental, controllable through arbitration. His projected salary for next season is under $4 million, making him quite a catch.