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mavric : 12/10/2017 9:09 am
With the blockbuster steal of the decade with Stanton joining the Yanks, there are still holes to fill; mainly starting pitching and 2nd base.

The Yanks would be in fine position if they stood pat, but I doubt they will.

I expect a deal with CC, but the way pitchers go down during the season, I think the Yanks would be shopping for another starter. Hopefully, they give Chance Adams a shot, but that's rarely their style.

We can put Torreyes or Wade in at 2nd, but I think the Yanks want more punch there. Torres still needs seasoning before he comes up for more than a cup of coffee.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Yanks sign CC, and shop for a SP for insurance and maybe a 2nd baseman. I'd love to see them sign Todd Frazier, but that's probably a pipe dream. He's an upgrade over Headley and can stand in at 1st if Bird falters or gets injured.
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Ryan in Albany : 12/11/2017 1:56 pm : link
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According to Buster Olney, the #Yankees are in contact with the Pirates in regards to Gerrit Cole. Can Cashman work more magic?
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adamg : 12/11/2017 2:06 pm : link
In comment 13735768 Ryan in Albany said:
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According to Buster Olney, the #Yankees are in contact with the Pirates in regards to Gerrit Cole. Can Cashman work more magic?


Is this how Frazier ends his Yankees run?
man, that will kill the buzz from Stanton  
Greg from LI : 12/11/2017 2:07 pm : link
I don't want that lying sack of shit on the Yankees.
RE: man, that will kill the buzz from Stanton  
DennyInDenville : 12/11/2017 2:11 pm : link
In comment 13735799 Greg from LI said:
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I don't want that lying sack of shit on the Yankees.

Hmmm why so?

I'm not huge on him either but he's got an arm.

Is this the lie? 19:08 vs 19:09? I googled negative stories on him and this is all I came up with


Cole lied about delaying the start time of a baseball game once by 1 minute - ( New Window )
No, his people said if the deal was right, he'd sign out of HS  
guitarguybs12 : 12/11/2017 2:14 pm : link
So the Yankees went and used their 1st round pick on him...only for him then to totally refuse to so much as even letting the Yankees attempt to make an offer.
UCLA pitcher Gerrit Cole, a potential No. 1 Pirates pick, reminds Yankees of what might have been - ( New Window )
Sounds promising for you Greg  
adamg : 12/11/2017 2:14 pm : link
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Yankees are interested in gerrit cole, who they once drafted. But initial impression is pirates arent trading him.
Let the Cole grudge go  
Kyle in NY : 12/11/2017 2:15 pm : link
it's silly at this point
RE: No, his people said if the deal was right, he'd sign out of HS  
DennyInDenville : 12/11/2017 2:15 pm : link
In comment 13735812 guitarguybs12 said:
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So the Yankees went and used their 1st round pick on him...only for him then to totally refuse to so much as even letting the Yankees attempt to make an offer. UCLA pitcher Gerrit Cole, a potential No. 1 Pirates pick, reminds Yankees of what might have been - ( New Window )

Thank you.

Don't want this guy.
That said  
Kyle in NY : 12/11/2017 2:16 pm : link
I do have concerns about how Cole's numbers have been tracking lately. I'm not sure he's worth what it would take to acquire (Frazier+ in all likelihood).
exactly right  
Greg from LI : 12/11/2017 2:18 pm : link
It's not that he didn't sign with the Yankees. That kind of thing happens. The issue is that Cole and his father said that, while he intended to attend UCLA, he would be open to negotiation. Then they never so much as answered a phone when Cashman called. If they had said "Look, Gerrit is committed to UCLA and there isn't an offer you can make to change his mind", then the Yankees wouldn't have wasted their first round pick.

The least he could have done was listen. Couldn't be bothered.
RE: Let the Cole grudge go  
Greg from LI : 12/11/2017 2:18 pm : link
In comment 13735814 Kyle in NY said:
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it's silly at this point


Be advised, forgiveness is not what I do best. Cole is a snake.
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Dave in Hoboken : 12/11/2017 2:18 pm : link
RE: RE: Let the Cole grudge go  
Kyle in NY : 12/11/2017 2:47 pm : link
In comment 13735826 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 13735814 Kyle in NY said:


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it's silly at this point



Be advised, forgiveness is not what I do best. Cole is a snake.


Well you don't lack self-awareness at least :)

I don't want Cole, but not for those reasons
Someone needs to tell Hal  
bceagle05 : 12/11/2017 2:54 pm : link
it's OK to enjoy being principal owner of the New York Yankees.
Heard most of the Stanton press conference  
mfsd : 12/11/2017 2:55 pm : link
It was interesting bc at the winter meetings, there were reporters from St Louis and LA who asked questions about why it didnt happen with their teams, and a couple people from Miami asked for detail about what happened with the Marlins.

He sounded pretty good, but it was obvious he wasnt happy with his interactions (or lack thereof) with Jeter and the new management, and he was not inclined to do them a solid and agree to St Louis or San Francisco. He didnt do a very good job hiding his disdain for the Marlins front office.

A couple examples:

- he said clearly he gave his list of 4 approved teams hed waive his NTC clause for before the proposed deals with St Louis and SF were made.

- When asked why he took the St Louis meeting despite them not being on his list, he said all hes known is the Marlins, and he wanted to see how other organizations do business.

- When asked if he had a message for Marlins fans, he said hang in there, but maybe watch from afar for a while. Ouch
There's a prospect price where Cole would make sense.  
Heisenberg : 12/11/2017 3:05 pm : link
But he's been kind of middling for a while now. and he's got, what, two years until free agency?

I doubt that the Pirates would accept the prospects I would offer for him. Seems unlikely that a match can be found.

Maybe Chris Archer? He's at least battle tested in the AL East.
I like Cole  
Milton : 12/11/2017 3:26 pm : link
He showed enough promise to be the first pick in the draft and then backed it up by finishing 4th in Cy Young voting in 2015. So he has proven he can match potential with production. Since 2015, he had an injury plagued 2016 and an up and down 2017 in which he had stretches of dominance and other times got lit up (not unlike Tanaka last year).

If a trade can be worked out, the Yankees are getting a pitcher who would be a #3 or #4 starter at worst and potentially the ace of the staff if he returns to his 2015 form and builds off it. So he has both a high floor and a high ceiling. If it's a package of Frazier, Betances, and a mid-level prospect or two, it makes a lot of sense and doesn't hurt the payroll.

p.s.-Imagine if they could then land Hand? What kind of off-season would that be if they added Stanton, Cole, and Hand? It would surely take the sting out of missing on Ohtani!
Greg, I don't have any issues with Cole. He was a HS kid at the time,  
yatqb : 12/11/2017 4:33 pm : link
and it's clear that his wealthy father called the shot on not talking with the Yankees. It sucked, I was pissed, but I can't hold it against an 18 year old kid whose father had all the power.

After all, Cole was a Yankee fan growing up; I can't imagine that HE decided not to even talk with them.
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EddieNYG : 12/11/2017 5:12 pm : link
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The Pirates are willing to listen to offers for Gerrit Cole; the Yankees and Pirates match up well for potential deals at this juncture, as sources confirm; Brian Cashman and Neal Huntington have an extensive trade history. Time will tell.
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I think Clint's gonna be growing out that hair again soon.  
bceagle05 : 12/11/2017 5:14 pm : link
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Yanks are 20 mill under per Heyman  
adamg : 12/11/2017 5:45 pm : link
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Yankees math: even after giancarlo-starlin swap, Yanks are close to 20M under threshold. Still looking to trade pieces (headley, ells) to free more cash.
RE: RE: man, that will kill the buzz from Stanton  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/11/2017 8:13 pm : link
In comment 13735804 DennyInDenville said:
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In comment 13735799 Greg from LI said:


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I don't want that lying sack of shit on the Yankees.


Hmmm why so?

I'm not huge on him either but he's got an arm.

Is this the lie? 19:08 vs 19:09? I googled negative stories on him and this is all I came up with
Cole lied about delaying the start time of a baseball game once by 1 minute - ( New Window )

Shocking that you don't have any knowledge of 2008. Because you were what? 7? Maybe 8 years old then?
RE: I like Cole  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/11/2017 8:18 pm : link
In comment 13736005 Milton said:
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He showed enough promise to be the first pick in the draft and then backed it up by finishing 4th in Cy Young voting in 2015. So he has proven he can match potential with production. Since 2015, he had an injury plagued 2016 and an up and down 2017 in which he had stretches of dominance and other times got lit up (not unlike Tanaka last year).

If a trade can be worked out, the Yankees are getting a pitcher who would be a #3 or #4 starter at worst and potentially the ace of the staff if he returns to his 2015 form and builds off it. So he has both a high floor and a high ceiling. If it's a package of Frazier, Betances, and a mid-level prospect or two, it makes a lot of sense and doesn't hurt the payroll.

p.s.-Imagine if they could then land Hand? What kind of off-season would that be if they added Stanton, Cole, and Hand? It would surely take the sting out of missing on Ohtani!

Milton, I know you've been high on Cole for a while, but you can't send an ace-level prospect package away in trade for a guy that "would be a #3 or #4 starter at worst" - there is almost no chance that the Yanks would score a bargain (in terms of trade value) for Cole, so they'd be paying full price for the upside and risking the downside on their own.
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