find it amazing that I have not seen even one mention of George Edwards to be interviewed for a head coaching position.
He has done an amazing job the past 4 years with the Vikings defense (best D in the NFL this year in every major category). Previous DC for the Bills and the Dolphins. Played football at Duke, where he was the team captain.
find it amazing that I have not seen even one mention of George Edwards to be interviewed for a head coaching position.
He has done an amazing job the past 4 years with the Vikings defense (best D in the NFL this year in every major category). Previous DC for the Bills and the Dolphins. Played football at Duke, where he was the team captain.
He would certainly be on my list of candidates.
Even here in MN, Zimmer gets a lot (most) of the credit for their D.
If Gettleman is being honest (and I believe he is) when he says:
-Big men help you compete
-The game has changed but the principles remain the same
-You need to run the football, stop the run, and get after the QB
Shurmer is in the same mold. His offense in Minnesota has been referred to as a Power Spread. Do I know what that means completely...no, not exactly. But I know when I watch the Vikings they stay committed to the run out of multiple formations, they give the illusion of complexity, they put the QB in position to succeed, and it almost doesn't matter who the QB is. Lots to like.
My top three, but not in priority order are:
Wilks
Shurmur
Studesville
Case Keenum, Nick Foles and Sam Bradford look like pro bowlers in his offenses. Colt McCoy even looked like an NFL qb playing for him. Regardless of where you stand on the exhausting QB debate, he's the guy that can either help Eli get back to the Eli of old and/or develop the QB we take at two. He's paid his due in the league and deserves another shot as a HC after being given a half-assed shot in that blackhole in Cleveland.
But I feel like hes a lot like Schwartz and McDaniels where he may just be a great Coordinator and not a HC. We need a guy who reeks of leadership before anything else. Theres plenty of smart coaches in this league but very few leaders.
. Keenams mobility in the pocket is a big reason theyve been successful
eli shouldn't be part of the future anymore. We should be making moves to plan by not having eli.
Eli is a mount Rushmore giant. But his time is up. We need to move forward without him and if Shurmer can groom our next QB whether thats Webb or our draft pick we should do it.
We should not be picking a coach that suits Eli Manning...
Shurmer does not run the WCO like you think of the WCO. It has a lot of power run elements. The Vikings are 7th in the league in rushing behind a brand new OL with an average QB at the helm.
would be a good fit for the pieces we currently have on our Offense. Vikings have similar type skills players, and I can easily see his scheme working here and being easy and quick to learn for our players. What I like most, is how this offense has proven to work with an entirely new OL. Something I believe will be weighed when considering him as a candidate. I like him, and wouldn't be upset in the least if he is the choice.
Shurmer does not run the WCO like you think of the WCO. It has a lot of power run elements. The Vikings are 7th in the league in rushing behind a brand new OL with an average QB at the helm.
This is different than traditional WCO.
if anything shurmer offense is extremely adaptable to personnel. He was the OC for Chip Kelley with a very quick pace side to side offense. With the Vikings he is more of a down hill running game. I think he adapts to what he has which is the makings of a great coach.
But I feel like hes a lot like Schwartz and McDaniels where he may just be a great Coordinator and not a HC. We need a guy who reeks of leadership before anything else. Theres plenty of smart coaches in this league but very few leaders.
he won 9 games in two years in CLE...thats pretty damn good lol
He has had success more than once. After he was a HC, he was selected for an OC job right away. he had enough success there to be picked right away as OC when let go and he has done well enough to be a HC candidate again.
There is much to like here.
Meh...he was 2 and done in Cleveland just 5 years ago.
First season was the lockout year and they changed ownership after his second season. Even by Cleveland's standards that doesn't really classify as a fair shake.
RE: Meh...he was 2 and done in Cleveland just 5 years ago.
but is he another Norv Turner? As far as offense, that would be a good thing, however Im referring to the OC Norv Turner trying his hand as a Head Coach and not succeeding. Is Shurmer tough? He does check a lot of the boxes too. I think he has th look of a NYGiant Head Coach. Hed need a solid DC here, of course.
but what do people reasonably expect in a HC candidate??
by definition you are either an unemployed former HC or a never has been HC. there is no perfect candidate, so sit back and wait and trust that DG gets it right.
b/c that is all you can do.
some of the hand wringing on this site regarding 1 name versus another is crazy!
That is a fair point. The Giants need a leader, someone who can command the room. I'm a big fan of the offense Shurmur ran this year, but that by itself is not enough to make him Head Coach.
I like Wilks and Studesville because they seem to have a reputation for having a presence and leadership. I have not heard that about Shurmur, but hope he has the same traits.
Shurmer does not run the WCO like you think of the WCO. It has a lot of power run elements. The Vikings are 7th in the league in rushing behind a brand new OL with an average QB at the helm.
This is different than traditional WCO.
That's great that he runs a power scheme but I still don't like the WCO passing concepts in the Northeast.
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I personally think hes the best OC in football. I think hes going to be a head coach again somewhere and a damn good one.
He knows football inside and out, understands how to tailor schemes and playcalls well too. As far as leadership, every coach is a blank piece of paper in every situation when they start out.
I dont want us hiring the next Mike Singletary because he commands the room. I want the right coach for where we want to go and sustain some winning the next ten years or more.
Knowing schemes and playcalls isn't really the job of the head coach
You can be incredibly knowledgeable and also not be a head coach. Some of the finest coordinators ever have been awful head coaches. Wade Phillips, Dick LeBeau, Norv Turner could all scheme you to death, but not run a team that wins.
Shurmur is proven as a coordinator, but sometimes guys max out at coordinator. Besides, if you hire him as head coach, he's going to need to be the head coach. All his experience with playcalling and schemes is good to have if he's micromanaging his OC, but you don't want your head coach calling plays.
would like this more than schwartz if we went the ex-head coach route.
+1. Outside of BOB shaking loose from Texas, Shurmur is whom I would want even above McDaniels.
He has done an amazing job the past 4 years with the Vikings defense (best D in the NFL this year in every major category). Previous DC for the Bills and the Dolphins. Played football at Duke, where he was the team captain.
He would certainly be on my list of candidates.
"In 2013 Working alongside new head coach Chip Kelly, Shurmur helped orchestrate one of the most efficient offenses in the NFL. "
"He was hired by Steve Spagnuolo to be Rams OC. Shurmur also made a tangible impact on Sam Bradfords immediate success as a rookie in 2010."
Could Spags stay as DC if Shurmur was hired as HC....
He has done an amazing job the past 4 years with the Vikings defense (best D in the NFL this year in every major category). Previous DC for the Bills and the Dolphins. Played football at Duke, where he was the team captain.
He would certainly be on my list of candidates.
Even here in MN, Zimmer gets a lot (most) of the credit for their D.
-Big men help you compete
-The game has changed but the principles remain the same
-You need to run the football, stop the run, and get after the QB
Shurmer is in the same mold. His offense in Minnesota has been referred to as a Power Spread. Do I know what that means completely...no, not exactly. But I know when I watch the Vikings they stay committed to the run out of multiple formations, they give the illusion of complexity, they put the QB in position to succeed, and it almost doesn't matter who the QB is. Lots to like.
My top three, but not in priority order are:
Wilks
Shurmur
Studesville
I'd add that Shurmur as HC, and Studesville as OC makes a ton of sense.
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Same with Josh if he leaves NE.
I don't want either of the NE guys.
O'Brien interesting but looks like he won the power struggle by default due to the illness of Smith's wife.
eli shouldn't be part of the future anymore. We should be making moves to plan by not having eli.
Eli is a mount Rushmore giant. But his time is up. We need to move forward without him and if Shurmer can groom our next QB whether thats Webb or our draft pick we should do it.
We should not be picking a coach that suits Eli Manning...
This is different than traditional WCO.
This is different than traditional WCO.
if anything shurmer offense is extremely adaptable to personnel. He was the OC for Chip Kelley with a very quick pace side to side offense. With the Vikings he is more of a down hill running game. I think he adapts to what he has which is the makings of a great coach.
he won 9 games in two years in CLE...thats pretty damn good lol
yeah, I will admit I wasn't as thrilled with the Gettleman hire...but he seems to be really invested and a hard worker. So that makes me trust him.
He has had success more than once. After he was a HC, he was selected for an OC job right away. he had enough success there to be picked right away as OC when let go and he has done well enough to be a HC candidate again.
There is much to like here.
Are folks thinking he's like McDaniels and has turned it around since his prior coaching stint?
Are folks thinking he's like McDaniels and has turned it around since his prior coaching stint?
Their should be an asterisk anytime one coaches for Cleveland. Starting with Belichick.
Are folks thinking he's like McDaniels and has turned it around since his prior coaching stint?
Seriously, you're going to hold his Cleveland tenure against him? Vince Lombardi couldn't win with that organization.
I'm not saying Shurmer is a no-brainer, but the fact that he won 9 games in 2 seasons in Cleveland should give him bonus points.
by definition you are either an unemployed former HC or a never has been HC. there is no perfect candidate, so sit back and wait and trust that DG gets it right.
b/c that is all you can do.
some of the hand wringing on this site regarding 1 name versus another is crazy!
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+1. Outside of BOB shaking loose from Texas, Shurmur is whom I would want even above McDaniels.
I just heard BOB on NFL radio about 15 minutes ago, doesn't sound like he's going anywhere.
Are folks thinking he's like McDaniels and has turned it around since his prior coaching stint?
Look, he had an opportunity to join the Cleveland Fixed Income Fund. I can't hold that against him...
That is a fair point. The Giants need a leader, someone who can command the room. I'm a big fan of the offense Shurmur ran this year, but that by itself is not enough to make him Head Coach.
I like Wilks and Studesville because they seem to have a reputation for having a presence and leadership. I have not heard that about Shurmur, but hope he has the same traits.
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Sorry wrong video, but you can scroll through and find him. Hes a pretty well-spoken guy too.
This is different than traditional WCO.
That's great that he runs a power scheme but I still don't like the WCO passing concepts in the Northeast.
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Sorry wrong video, but you can scroll through and find him. Hes a pretty well-spoken guy too.
Good thing he's white or you'd accused of racism by some people here.
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Sorry wrong video, but you can scroll through and find him. Hes a pretty well-spoken guy too.
Good thing he's white or you'd accused of racism by some people here.
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Sorry wrong video, but you can scroll through and find him. Hes a pretty well-spoken guy too.
Good thing he's white or you'd accused of racism by some people here.
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Haha, that's funny.
My impression was that he wasn't a real fiery guy. More an x and o guy. I don't know if he'll met Gettleman's priority of "commanding the room."
Can we clone Sean McVeigh?
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I personally think hes the best OC in football. I think hes going to be a head coach again somewhere and a damn good one.
He knows football inside and out, understands how to tailor schemes and playcalls well too. As far as leadership, every coach is a blank piece of paper in every situation when they start out.
I dont want us hiring the next Mike Singletary because he commands the room. I want the right coach for where we want to go and sustain some winning the next ten years or more.
Shurmur is proven as a coordinator, but sometimes guys max out at coordinator. Besides, if you hire him as head coach, he's going to need to be the head coach. All his experience with playcalling and schemes is good to have if he's micromanaging his OC, but you don't want your head coach calling plays.