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Why has no one asked Gettleman this question regarding Webb?

edavisiii : 1/4/2018 12:07 pm
When you were the GM in Carolina and preparing for the 2017 NFL Draft, what was your assessment of Davis Webb?

Maybe I missed it, but I think that would be interesting.
He says he hasn't watched the tape (like there is any) but you know he saw his college tape. Even though Carolina has their QB you know that their scouting department evaluated every player. If they didn't, shame on them. Having talent at the QB position is a plus because you can often get a high pick if teams think your backup is a legit starter.

Now I doubt he would give you a 100% honest answer. In fact, he might avoid any details because the best perception to put forth is one where you act like you are drafting a QB. That way teams who want a QB, know they have to offer a lot.

I already like his interviews far more than Reese and Ernie. Not quite in the George Young category but he is honest and engaging.
Do you think the GM watches tape and personally evaluates  
Mike from Ohio : 1/4/2018 12:09 pm : link
every player in the draft?
wasn’t he fired  
bLiTz 2k : 1/4/2018 12:12 pm : link
well before the draft...count he was immersed in every CFB prospect especially mid round QBs when preparing the previous year, esp with Newton on the roster.
Probably not every one....but he was in the top 100 in that draft.  
edavisiii : 1/4/2018 12:12 pm : link
But you can be sure he was on their board at some point and the name was discussed. He was the MVP of the Senior Bowl. I know Sy had his doubts but Mike Mayock called him "one of the 5 QBs who has a chance to start!"
I think it would be interesting  
Motley Two : 1/4/2018 12:13 pm : link
to know just to get an idea of how much a GM with a young QB in place is really looking that deep into college QBs who get selected in the 3rd round. I can't imagine it's a whole lot. I don't think he would have as much insight to Webb's college career. The scouts working under him who are tasked with QB evaluations would be the guys to ask.
Him and his scouting team  
jc in c-ville : 1/4/2018 12:13 pm : link
May have had a grade on Webb but what good would that do him/Giants advertising leading up to the draft?

Saying the Giants got a steal with Webb and he is the future shows his cards to a potential team thinking we may go QB.

Even if the Giants plan on not taking a QB, make everyone think we are.
RE: Do you think the GM watches tape and personally evaluates  
Capt. Don : 1/4/2018 12:14 pm : link
In comment 13771364 Mike from Ohio said:
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every player in the draft?


Did he say every player in the draft? Its not like he is asking his opinion of Bisnotoway.

He is talking about a relatively highly regarded player that plays the most important position in sports. Fuck.
He was there for the draft  
edavisiii : 1/4/2018 12:14 pm : link
he was fired 9 days before training camp.
Carolina did not need a QB  
Mike from Ohio : 1/4/2018 12:14 pm : link
Why would the GM personally be watching film of a QB most scouts saw as a career backup?

I expect there were only a handful of GMs in the league who personally scouted him.
RE: wasn’t he fired  
YAJ2112 : 1/4/2018 12:15 pm : link
In comment 13771376 bLiTz 2k said:
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well before the draft...count he was immersed in every CFB prospect especially mid round QBs when preparing the previous year, esp with Newton on the roster.


He was fired 2 months after the draft
RE: RE: Do you think the GM watches tape and personally evaluates  
Mike from Ohio : 1/4/2018 12:16 pm : link
In comment 13771387 Capt. Don said:
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every player in the draft?



Did he say every player in the draft? Its not like he is asking his opinion of Bisnotoway.

He is talking about a relatively highly regarded player that plays the most important position in sports. Fuck.


A guy nobody had slotted before the 3rd round, and many had slotted much later. And he worked for a team that was set at the QB position. But...fuck.
What is the fascination and fixation  
HomerJones45 : 1/4/2018 12:18 pm : link
on a 3rd round project pick by a failed GM in a down year for qb talent?
I think DG would have said something by now,  
Simms11 : 1/4/2018 12:19 pm : link
if he thought Webb was a steal and that they had him rated highly.
RE: Carolina did not need a QB  
Capt. Don : 1/4/2018 12:21 pm : link
In comment 13771390 Mike from Ohio said:
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Why would the GM personally be watching film of a QB most scouts saw as a career backup?

I expect there were only a handful of GMs in the league who personally scouted him.


Which is why BB took Cassel, Garrapolo, Mallett and Brissett?

Because you will only ever need one QB so why even look?

Is that ridiculous that DG would have an opinion on a QB because you know...its his job?

And most scouts considered him a career backup? Who are these scouts you are talking to?
RE: I think DG would have said something by now  
Section331 : 1/4/2018 12:23 pm : link
In comment 13771412 Simms11 said:
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if he thought Webb was a steal and that they had him rated highly.


I disagree. Gettleman has been through this rodeo before. Stay tight lipped about your plans and keep other teams guessing.

The OP brings up an interesting point, any interviewer should have asked aDG about Webb, but I doubt very much doubt he would have said anything of substance, more like “I have to study his tape.”
Why does it matter?  
ZogZerg : 1/4/2018 12:27 pm : link
There is no way he could think Webb was as good a prospect as the top 2 guys this year. Not even close.
It doesn't matter about Webb then  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/4/2018 12:30 pm : link
it matters about Webb now, next year and beyond. Everyone said Webb needed development on his footwork and being under center. Some of that presumably has occurred. Guys at the top of the draft are supposed to produce earlier in their career then ones in the third round. All the "experts" said that Webb got knocked down in the draft because he needed time to be an NFL QB. They also said he had a good, live arm and was a hard worker. All of that appears to be true.

The question is whether he will be ready soon or at all. And whether he appears to be a better option than the guys that are available at the top of this draft.
RE: It doesn't matter about Webb then  
ZogZerg : 1/4/2018 12:32 pm : link
In comment 13771453 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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it matters about Webb now, next year and beyond. Everyone said Webb needed development on his footwork and being under center. Some of that presumably has occurred. Guys at the top of the draft are supposed to produce earlier in their career then ones in the third round. All the "experts" said that Webb got knocked down in the draft because he needed time to be an NFL QB. They also said he had a good, live arm and was a hard worker. All of that appears to be true.

The question is whether he will be ready soon or at all. And whether he appears to be a better option than the guys that are available at the top of this draft.



NO One will know the answer to this BEFORE the draft. Webb is a NON FACTOR for this years draft.
No Fixation! It was just a thought, but I live in New England....  
edavisiii : 1/4/2018 12:33 pm : link
1st of all I hope you are all safe...we are getting hammered in RI and I know the whole east coast is!

When Drew Bledsoe was starting and people began talking about the backup from Michigan all you heard was, "He couldn't even start full time in college! Drew was the 1st pick in the draft!"

Also, It was just a thought! I am not comparing him to Brady but a lot of great QBs were not picked in the 1st round. Brady, Montana, Wilson, Brees, Warner, Farve. Gettleman believes you never have enough good players at any position and I would think being the blue collar, hard working type he is, he had some opinion. Stay safe!

Whether you like my thread or not the teams opinion of him could effect the draft. Why didn't we see him??? Maybe they didn't want him to get killed like David Carr
RE: RE: Carolina did not need a QB  
Mike from Ohio : 1/4/2018 12:35 pm : link
In comment 13771418 Capt. Don said:
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Why would the GM personally be watching film of a QB most scouts saw as a career backup?

I expect there were only a handful of GMs in the league who personally scouted him.



Which is why BB took Cassel, Garrapolo, Mallett and Brissett?

Because you will only ever need one QB so why even look?

Is that ridiculous that DG would have an opinion on a QB because you know...its his job?

And most scouts considered him a career backup? Who are these scouts you are talking to?


Do you really not understand how the pro game works? Do you think BB personally scouts late round QBs? What do you think an NFL team's scouting departments do? Just email names and youtube clips to the GM?

Oh, and QBs with starting potential don't generally get passed over by every team in the league multiple times.
RE: What is the fascination and fixation  
Vanzetti : 1/4/2018 12:37 pm : link
In comment 13771404 HomerJones45 said:
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on a 3rd round project pick by a failed GM in a down year for qb talent?


John Madden: "When a team is losing, every fans' favorite player is the backup quarterback."
I'd be shocked if Gettleman went into the draft...  
Dan in the Springs : 1/4/2018 12:38 pm : link
without having some personal opinion of Webb, and not just from what his scouting reports said.

In answer to your question though, I'd be shocked if he'd answer it honestly in any kind public manner.

I too would be curious, and perhaps if he was over the house for some beers or something he might tell me privately. Next time he's here I'll try to remember to ask.
RE: RE: RE: Carolina did not need a QB  
Capt. Don : 1/4/2018 12:48 pm : link
In comment 13771462 Mike from Ohio said:
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Why would the GM personally be watching film of a QB most scouts saw as a career backup?

I expect there were only a handful of GMs in the league who personally scouted him.



Which is why BB took Cassel, Garrapolo, Mallett and Brissett?

Because you will only ever need one QB so why even look?

Is that ridiculous that DG would have an opinion on a QB because you know...its his job?

And most scouts considered him a career backup? Who are these scouts you are talking to?



Do you really not understand how the pro game works? Do you think BB personally scouts late round QBs? What do you think an NFL team's scouting departments do? Just email names and youtube clips to the GM?

Oh, and QBs with starting potential don't generally get passed over by every team in the league multiple times.


Which is why it would make even MORE sense that Gettleman had working knowledge of him. Why would Gettlemen scout a 1st round talent that he had no intention of taking? It makes MUCH more sense for him to have invested some time looking at a mid-late round QB to develop.

Teams draft developmental QBs all the time. They think some have the potential to start down the road and they think some have the potential to be a backup. Either way, GMs with a really good starting QB still have a working knowledge of mid round QB talent.

I dont know exactly how DG's scouting department operated and neither do you. But you acted like it was a ridiculous question to ask just because Carolina has a franchise QB. Teams with franchise QBs draft mid to late QBs all of the time and if you think ANY GM is going to draft a QB without some kind of opinion on that player then YOU dont know how the process works AT ALL.

For all you know, Carolina was going to take Webb in the 4th round.

RE: RE: wasn’t he fired  
baadbill : 1/4/2018 12:49 pm : link
In comment 13771392 YAJ2112 said:
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well before the draft...count he was immersed in every CFB prospect especially mid round QBs when preparing the previous year, esp with Newton on the roster.

He was fired 2 months after the draft


Literally 2 weeks before the start of summer camp. A stunning time to be fired as GM of a NFL team.
RE: What is the fascination and fixation  
Victor in CT : 1/4/2018 12:51 pm : link
In comment 13771404 HomerJones45 said:
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on a 3rd round project pick by a failed GM in a down year for qb talent?


Great question that I have asked many times. Webb has nothing to do with the Giants picking a QB at #2 if they think the value is there.
RE: RE: RE: Carolina did not need a QB  
Section331 : 1/4/2018 12:53 pm : link
In comment 13771462 Mike from Ohio said:
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Do you really not understand how the pro game works? Do you think BB personally scouts late round QBs? What do you think an NFL team's scouting departments do? Just email names and youtube clips to the GM?

Oh, and QBs with starting potential don't generally get passed over by every team in the league multiple times.


I'm not sure what your point is, other than trying to be a condescending ass to another poster (hint: you succeeded). Yes, generally GM's rely on scouting reports for late round picks. Do you know why that is? THEY TRUST THEIR SCOUTS!

And as far as other teams passing on potential starters, how many teams passed on Tom Brady? Kirk Cousins? Jimmy Garrapolo? Russell Wilson? It happens for any variety of reasons.

I have no idea if Davis Webb is a legitimate starting caliber NFL QB, and I don't know if the Giants internally think he is, but guess what, neither do you. I do know that the Giants rave about his work ethic, and his preparation. I know that scouts generally liked his talent - raved about his arm, liked his athleticism - but felt he needed a lot of work. Well, if he really is putting the work in, why is it such an outlandish notion that he might become a quality starter?
I think its an excellent question and should be asked  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/4/2018 12:53 pm : link
I have no doubt it will be before the draft comes around.

Question is will DG realy answer it? Would it be in his or the Giants interest to answer it? Since we all agree thats a no, dont expec a real answer other than "We liked Davis in the draft and we're going to give him a chance to compete."
Why say anything about him really  
MotownGIANTS : 1/4/2018 1:10 pm : link
at this point silence is our friend.
webb  
giantfan2000 : 1/4/2018 1:10 pm : link
sniffing around inter webs
these were the teams before the draft interested in Webb

"The Jets, Chiefs and Chargers are among a number of teams that have interviews scheduled with Webb and the Buccaneers and Ravens also showing some interest"

also rumors were Browns were going to draft him in second round
RE: RE: What is the fascination and fixation  
PatersonPlank : 1/4/2018 1:14 pm : link
In comment 13771506 Victor in CT said:
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on a 3rd round project pick by a failed GM in a down year for qb talent?



Great question that I have asked many times. Webb has nothing to do with the Giants picking a QB at #2 if they think the value is there.


Because he was pretty highly regarded, and if he has shown the team that he has what it takes to be a good NFL QB it means we can address the numerous other holes we have in the draft. What I personally don't want is 2 roughly equal players, both high draft picks, sitting on the bench behind Eli for 2 years. We can use the pick to solidify the OL, RB position, LB, or DL positions, and get use of this pick immediately.
If teams saw him as more than a project with potential  
UberAlias : 1/4/2018 1:20 pm : link
He would not have lasted to round 3. QBs get pushed up because of there importance so round 3 for a QB is like round 5 for other positions. He's a developmental guy and they knew it, which is why they planned to take things slowly for him from the beginning. People need to see Webb for what he is. We're taking a huge risk if we attach our wagon to him. Best to assume the worst, hope for the best, and plan as if he won't be the guy. Then if we get lucky and he starts developing into something, that's not a bad problem to have. There is always a market for good QBs. Just looks at some of the steals Philly has made over the years.
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Victor in CT : 1/4/2018 1:36 pm : link
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on a 3rd round project pick by a failed GM in a down year for qb talent?



Great question that I have asked many times. Webb has nothing to do with the Giants picking a QB at #2 if they think the value is there.



Because he was pretty highly regarded, and if he has shown the team that he has what it takes to be a good NFL QB it means we can address the numerous other holes we have in the draft. What I personally don't want is 2 roughly equal players, both high draft picks, sitting on the bench behind Eli for 2 years. We can use the pick to solidify the OL, RB position, LB, or DL positions, and get use of this pick immediately.


Webb is the definiton of "project".
RE: RE: Carolina did not need a QB  
Toth029 : 1/4/2018 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13771418 Capt. Don said:
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Why would the GM personally be watching film of a QB most scouts saw as a career backup?

I expect there were only a handful of GMs in the league who personally scouted him.



Which is why BB took Cassel, Garrapolo, Mallett and Brissett?

Because you will only ever need one QB so why even look?

Is that ridiculous that DG would have an opinion on a QB because you know...its his job?

And most scouts considered him a career backup? Who are these scouts you are talking to?

Add to that. Rohan Davey was a 4th in 2002.

And people really forget Kevin O'Connell was a 3rd rd pick in 2008. Never amounted to anything.

They've spent so many early picks on quarterbacks and they have gotten picks in return for most of them.
Motown Giants...I agree  
edavisiii : 1/4/2018 1:49 pm : link
I agree, I started the post wondering why no one asked, I didn't expect an honest answer. Silence is needed. I just thought someone in the press would have asked.

It is kind of funny, we all go postal when it seems like everyone knows what the Giants are doing yet we want the asshats to give us the dirt!
RE: RE: RE: Do you think the GM watches tape and personally evaluates  
Boatie Warrant : 1/4/2018 2:01 pm : link
In comment 13771398 Mike from Ohio said:
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every player in the draft?



Did he say every player in the draft? Its not like he is asking his opinion of Bisnotoway.

He is talking about a relatively highly regarded player that plays the most important position in sports. Fuck.



A guy nobody had slotted before the 3rd round, and many had slotted much later. And he worked for a team that was set at the QB position. But...fuck.


Well this is all a lie and BS. Webb was talked about as a possible late 1st round early 2nd round player by many.
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Think DG wants to keep ELI and has heard  
TMS : 1/4/2018 2:05 pm : link
enough to think Webb has the potential be the back up next year. Supposedly he has had a good year in the learning curve, has a big arm, FB smarts and is a determined hard worker. DG wants a savy proven QB and ELI is that even if he has lost some things. Give him the tools he can still win. MO
RE: Him and his scouting team  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/4/2018 2:25 pm : link
In comment 13771384 jc in c-ville said:
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May have had a grade on Webb but what good would that do him/Giants advertising leading up to the draft?

Saying the Giants got a steal with Webb and he is the future shows his cards to a potential team thinking we may go QB.

Even if the Giants plan on not taking a QB, make everyone think we are.

I don't understand this line of thinking. Who are they trying to bluff? If they try to represent strong interest in QB, that increases the value of Cleveland's pick at #1, not the value of the Giants' pick. You can't simultaneously convince someone that you want a QB so badly that they have to blow you away with an offer and also be willing to trade out of your pick. The willingness alone contradicts the bluff in the first place.

If the Giants are going to get blown away with an offer, it's much more likely to be someone trying to get ahead of Indy for Barkley, Chubb or Fitzpatrick, IMO. If someone wants a QB, they're going to be calling Dorsey, not Gettleman.
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Gatorade Dunk : 1/4/2018 3:19 pm : link
In comment 13771643 Toth029 said:
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Why would the GM personally be watching film of a QB most scouts saw as a career backup?

I expect there were only a handful of GMs in the league who personally scouted him.



Which is why BB took Cassel, Garrapolo, Mallett and Brissett?

Because you will only ever need one QB so why even look?

Is that ridiculous that DG would have an opinion on a QB because you know...its his job?

And most scouts considered him a career backup? Who are these scouts you are talking to?


Add to that. Rohan Davey was a 4th in 2002.

And people really forget Kevin O'Connell was a 3rd rd pick in 2008. Never amounted to anything.

They've spent so many early picks on quarterbacks and they have gotten picks in return for most of them.

Early picks? They've used one 2nd round pick (Garoppolo) and three 3rd round picks (Mallett, O'Connell and Brissett). All others have been 4th or later, which are not "early" picks. I'd even argue that 3rd rounders aren't really early picks, particularly when they're picked toward the very end like O'Connell (94th) and Brissett (91st) were. So that's two early picks among the QBs you've listed, and in both cases, the Pats recouped at least some of the value by trading those players away.
RE: RE: What is the fascination and fixation  
Rafflee : 1/4/2018 3:24 pm : link
In comment 13771506 Victor in CT said:
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The only factor will be their opinion of the QB's available at 2. Webb may start here some day....and Eli may continue to play here...But the sole factor is whether they see a Franchise Guy at 2. They shouldn;t be afraid thyat they will have too many Starting Qb's

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on a 3rd round project pick by a failed GM in a down year for qb talent?



Great question that I have asked many times. Webb has nothing to do with the Giants picking a QB at #2 if they think the value is there.
Best guess is that  
TMS : 1/8/2018 4:58 pm : link
DG plans to build around ELI as the QB for a quick turnaround. Hope this is the case. We were 11/5 two years ago, Why not, when our injured come back ?
Can someone tell my WHY DG was fired...  
EricJ : 1/8/2018 6:06 pm : link
basically during training camp? I am sure it may have been discussed at some point but I missed it. Seems like a strange time when you are in the middle of trying to cut down to your final roster spots.
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