NGT: Shad Khan lauds Tom Coughlin for Jags success

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Arrogant JR survived and manipulated TC out of town and ownership bought it - house of cards fell down

back to Jacksonville.
Gettleman back to the Giants.
You CAN go home, again.

What's done is done. But Mara never should have wacked coughlin. I say that because what some of us were saying back in early 2016 is ringing true today-- and that is there aren't any great names available. Maybe Giants get lucky and find a good one but some of these vet HC names -- Schwartz? Man they just don't do it for me at all.....

Just to stop the whining I'll rephrase it and say It's not that the Giants shouldn't have fired Coughlin as much as they had to replace him adequately. And here we are....round 2.... get this right please. At least gettleman is here now. Mara.... sit back and watch now. Please.

Prior to Coughlin’s firing, they were pne of the most injuried team in football historically speaking. Not an excuse but definitely an explanation. Add bad drafting to that mix and your bound for failure.

Tom was making some questionable decisions on the sideline, but you don’t let a good football mind go.

the head coach, ya know.. who actually coached these guys to an AFC South title.

offered Coughlin the top front office position at a hefty salary, let him bring his own Coach in. He was an eye for Talent his first few years in Jacksonville when he was doing double duty and he sure is an eye for talent still.

Feels for him.

about football. Come on.

but the necessary changes in 2015 probably would have led to Coughlin being let go anyway.

Ideally, Reese should have been fired then. From there, you probably want the new GM to be able to pick his own head coach.

You could argue that the Giants could have bumped him into the front office, but remember that he's got a lot of pride, too. I'm not sure Coughlin would have let go of being the head coach to move elsewhere in the organization. If he was willing to do that, he probably would have given more consideration to Mara's offer of an advisory position.

Killer - can the Giants get Marrone since Tom is joysticking it from upstairs?

Letting go of Coughlin at the time, and still don't in retrospect. Reese should have been the first to fall on his sword.

that's strange, I read that Coughlin was nothing more than a figurehead in Jacksonville, since he wasn't the GM.

in the annals of league history in the sense that he was fired twice while being one of the best coaches in the game. Has anybody else ever suffered that ignominy ? Khan, and Jacksonville, rectified Weaver’s error. Weaver , at least, later admitted that firing Coach was the biggest mistake he made in his life. You don’t have to worry about Mara admitting that he was a jerk-off for doing the same thing. Way too much pride and vanity in that fellow.

It’s ancient history, now. Coughlin’s team is playing Sunday. Mara’s team is drafting very early come April. Looks like both parties got what they deserved .

They will just continue their crusade of scapegoating and assigning blame to the wrong people, and then aggressively and stupidly defend their stance, often doubling down by making up stupid narratives and twisting bizarre statistics to try and prove their original stance after it's clear as day that they were wrong, wrong wrong....

Coughlin...

Next up: Manning.

And when the next spread QB comes in here and falls flat on his face, they'll be doubling down on that, too.

I'd prefer that he just say "thank you" and move on.

Khan!!!

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Of course, it doesn't give one single detail as to what exactly Coughlin has actually done, since almost all of the players and the coach were already there on the day he has hired, but then again no opportunity to exalt St. Tommy can be passed up.

The list of impact players on that team that Coughlin is responsible for is mighty short.

But you read some of these comments, you'd think he came in, tore the entire thing down and built a winning team all on his own.

It suffuses the locker room and makes the same players who were loses last year into winners this year.

If TC had been coaching this team the past two years the only difference would have been a few more wins this year and missing the playoffs last year.

for the playoffs.

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The dudes with pitchforks on BBI will never learn.... Britt in VA : 8:06 am : link : reply They will just continue their crusade of scapegoating and assigning blame to the wrong people, and then aggressively and stupidly defend their stance, often doubling down by making up stupid narratives and twisting bizarre statistics to try and prove their original stance after it's clear as day that they were wrong, wrong wrong....

Found the guy who doesn't own a mirror.

The same guys crowing about this story were falling all over themselves to praise Jacksonville's tremendous young talent a few years ago when Coughlin lost to a terrible Jags team.

McAdoo and Reese didn't even make it two seasons after Coughlin. They didn't even get to finish their second season.

Double down.

Uh, yeah... It got a lot worse.

here they come.

Jaguars were 3-13 last season; hand't won more than 5 games in a season in 7 years. They put one guy in charge and playoffs.

Let's see- he hires Marrone immediately, adds a hammer running back, a left tackle (granted, he drafted his LT in the 2nd round and not with the 9th pick in the draft. Oh, and moved up one spot in the draft to get the LT), drafted a wideout with the 3rd pick who caught more passes this season and for a better average than Brandon McStiff, signed Calais Campbell, signed Bouye, signed a guard, let half the starting secondary and 40% of the starting o-line walk as free agents to other teams.

Yeah, he didn't do a thing. You know, mere ignorance is one thing, but aggressive ignorance is something else; you need to watch that- or you can apply for a job in the owners' box; they seem to value that quality.

Britt and Retro- +1 on your posts.

My god, that NEVER would have happened if St Tommy had been installed as coach for life.

Making the mistake of not firing Reese with him and hiring McAdoo still doesn't erase the poor performance of the 2012-2015 Giants.

All of the credit when they win, none of the blame when they lose....now apparently is the policy with Jacksonville too! What a charmed life.

Amazing how you had such a different opinion in 2015. Wonder what changed?

In comment 13772932 arcarsenal said:

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The list of impact players on that team that Coughlin is responsible for is mighty short. But you read some of these comments, you'd think he came in, tore the entire thing down and built a winning team all on his own.

Campbell, Fournette, Bouye, Cam Robinson at LT. There were some good pieces in place and it's impossible to know what players Coughlin is primarily responsible. But they had a pretty tremendous offseason. TC deserves credit.

I was more than ready for him to move on. But let's call it what it is and not shrug off his success just because we're annoyed with certain posters.

In comment 13772972 HomerJones45 said:

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Let's see- he hires Marrone immediately

They were hired on the same day
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18438566/jaguars-bring-back-tom-coughlin-vp-hire-doug-marrone-coach-extend-gm-dave-caldwell

They also extended the GM on the same day...

1040 yard at 3.9 YPC. Let's not pretend he was Todd Gurley out there.

Super. Genius.

10-6 with a really weak schedule. Let's see how they do in the playoffs.

I never said he didn't deserve any credit.

It's just tiresome watching the same posters circle jerk over it and act like he had everything to do with this without acknowledging that several good players were already in place there when he came on board.

It's actually a lot like the way people heaped so much praise on Gettleman for the Panthers being 15-1 in 2015 even though he wasn't really responsible for a chunk of the talent base.

Coughlin made good moves down there and absolutely played a role in their turnaround.

The Giants were also a putrid football team for several years when he was here. So, obviously it requires a bit more than his presence to build a successful team. Unless people believe he had no input at all here.

the team had under Coughlin, and the number of times they looked unprepared and had the doors totally blown off.

It was time for TC to go in 2015. That McAdoo was a total disaster doesn't change that fact.

is that he sets a very good example of professionalism.

In comment 13772919 Vanzetti said:

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Regardless if they win or lose, his impact on the franchise has been a tremendous success. How can it not be viewed as such? He has turned around a perennially losing franchise into the AFC South Champs hosting their first home playoff game since 1999 in the first year. Remember all those tarps and the inability to sell out the stadium? Well, they had to seek permission to remove the tarps from the league office as the advertising had already been paid. They tore them off and sold out those seats within an hour after being deemed a sellout of the entire stadium before in 3 hours. They have since been selling standing room tickets for $240/each. What owner doesn't like sold out stadiums?

There are plenty that want to discount the effect that Tom has had because he isn't patrolling the sideline. But when you see other GMs/Football Czars on T.V. during the game, how many are plotting out plays and taking notes? Tom is busy winning focusing on the task at hand instead of dressed up in a suit in the owner's suite. We saw Jerry's cameo appearance during his tenure at training camp, but has anyone seen a 70 year old day in and day out coaching in tandem with their HC running drills? I saw that on the local news every night in coverage of the team.

I don't want take anything away from Doug. He has done a tremendous job. But to think Tom is just sitting in his corner office with no effect on the team is being disingenuous.

as usual, re-writing history to fit your very narrow narrative.

TC good. all of his coaches good.

everyone else bad.

Rinse, Repeat.

Greg doing good work on this thread.

In comment 13773002 lawguy9801 said:

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the team had under Coughlin, and the number of times they looked unprepared and had the doors totally blown off. It was time for TC to go in 2015. That McAdoo was a total disaster doesn't change that fact.

A lot of that had to do with horrendous talent we had in 2015.. For 8 games that season our second best defensive player was the immortal Demantre Moore.. Let that sink in.. JR gave him no talent to work with..

In comment 13773003 Motley Two said:

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is that he sets a very good example of professionalism.

Mercedes Lewis was interviewed last night in a playoff promo piece on the local network. And he emphasized this exact aspect of what Tom brought to the organization. Mercedes has been through a number of staff changes and seen players come and go. He said that Tom's expectation of professionalism was his immediate direct impact. He also said for those players that approach the job as true professionals, it isn't hard to live up to the expectations. But then added that for some players it has been a difficult transition.

Did Mara hire McAdoo for OC, or did TC?

Look, TC was a great coach, and good with personnel for the most part, but it was time. Anyone who thinks he didn't have a big say in drafts and FA signings, keeping aging vets too long, etc, wasn't paying attention.

If Jacksonville lost 4 out of their 5 top WR in game five, they wouldn't have made the playoffs this year either, even with the easiest schedule in the league.

In comment 13772922 Greg from LI said:

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Of course, it doesn't give one single detail as to what exactly Coughlin has actually done, since almost all of the players and the coach were already there on the day he has hired, but then again no opportunity to exalt St. Tommy can be passed up.

Dude....you are blind or stubborn or both if you can't see that Coughlin is a great football mind. Oh that's right he couldn't win with a terrible team here from 2013-2015. He must be garbage. And some of his good NYG teams blew leads. That never happened under Parcells right?

no one is saying Coughlin was perfect here or in Jacksonville. What I am saying is he's better than any of these fucking clowns we are interviewing and that's a FACT. Coughlin is a better HC than Jim fucking Schwartz. He's better than the Browns cast off.

Fine, the Giants blew a lead to the titans and eagles. They also won a shit load of games and always seemed to battle throughout every season here. And they never turned into a circus even when times were tough. And they rarely came out unprepared in big games.

Oh that's right, Coughlin passed on running the clock out 2-3 times during the 2015 season so now he's an idiot? No, he was right. that defense couldn't stop a fucking school girl from stealing candy.

I give up.

that Reese should have been gone first or Coughlin and Reese both should have been gone needs to stop. They are both gone now as is Ross and McAdoo. Time to turn the page and move forward.

your comment to me sounds like, "so maybe Coughlin made 4 or 5 mistakes over a 10 year span..."

Losses like the 2009 Panthers game. Yes, the Parcells Giants blew some games they should have one, most infamously the 1988 Jets game that cost them the playoffs, but when were they ever just outright humiliated at home by a bad team like that 41-9 asskicking administered by Matt Moore?

In comment 13773204 GiantFilthy said:

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your comment to me sounds like, "so maybe Coughlin made 4 or 5 mistakes over a 10 year span..."

What? I didn't say how many mistakes he made and I did say he wasn't perfect. But he was better than anyone out there. I stand by that.

To be fair, it's possible that Coughlin would have covered up Reese's warts and we'd be in tough spot now anyway. We wouldn't be 3-13 bad but mediocre--which is worse in the long run. I more regret the 2016 season than anything else. That team could have won if it had a better HC and plan. Mcadoo was along for the ride in 2016.

In comment 13773211 Greg from LI said:

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Losses like the 2009 Panthers game. Yes, the Parcells Giants blew some games they should have one, most infamously the 1988 Jets game that cost them the playoffs, but when were they ever just outright humiliated at home by a bad team like that 41-9 asskicking administered by Matt Moore?

Dude two years later they won another super bowl! Take the good with the bad.

Again, he wasn't perfect. Who is....