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| The Jaguars won the AFC South for the first time in franchise history, are making their first playoff appearance since 2007 and have their first home playoff game since 1999, and it began when Khan decided to bring in Tom Coughlin, install him above general manager Dave Caldwell in the pecking order and give him total control of all football operations. "Tom has been a very successful coach," Khan said Thursday from his suite overlooking the field at EverBank Field, where the Jaguars (10-6) will play Buffalo (9-7) on Sunday. "This is a different stage for him. Can he embrace it? I think It turned out better than probably, certainly, I thought it would. And really the credit is to him. "I can tell you he never asked for the 53-man roster. It was my idea. 'Tom, that means nothing changed [if he didn't give him control]. It's maybe not good for Dave's ego, but there has to be somebody in charge, and it needs to be you.' It's easy to see why Khan wanted change. The Jaguars were 17-63 since he took over as owner in 2012 and hadn't won more than five games in any of those five seasons. Khan hired Caldwell, who in turn hired Gus Bradley, and they began a complete rebuild beginning in 2013. By the end of the 2016 season, however, it was clear things weren't working, and Khan fired Bradley with two games remaining in the regular season. He decided to try a different approach and turned to Coughlin, the franchise's inaugural coach, who took the team to a pair of AFC Championship games in the first five seasons of existence and won two Super Bowls with the New York Giants. "What I felt we lacked was football IQ," Khan said. "You just can't say, 'Let me go to craigslist or backpage.com and get some football IQ.' You want somebody who really has the passion, the emotion, the drive. Nobody really personifies it better than Tom Coughlin. |
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the team had under Coughlin, and the number of times they looked unprepared and had the doors totally blown off.
It was time for TC to go in 2015. That McAdoo was a total disaster doesn't change that fact.
A lot of that had to do with horrendous talent we had in 2015.. For 8 games that season our second best defensive player was the immortal Demantre Moore.. Let that sink in.. JR gave him no talent to work with..
It happened a lot more than just in 2015 - it was a recurring pattern.
And Greg, Filthy, LG, lawyerguy and the rest of the Confederacy of Dunces have nothing to complain about. The onwers, card-carrying dunces themselves, did absolutely everything the Confederacy advocated- everything, and the result was a dumpster fire, a clusterfuck of bullshit. After this disaster, virtually nothing the Confederacy thinks should be taken seriously.
As far as Jacksonville goes let's see how it plays out. So far he's living off the other guys players kind of like Rex Ryan with the Jets his first few years. My guess is Coughlin leaves Jacksonville the 2nd time just like the 1st time and like with the Giants a mess of mostly his own making.
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the team had under Coughlin, and the number of times they looked unprepared and had the doors totally blown off.
It was time for TC to go in 2015. That McAdoo was a total disaster doesn't change that fact.
A lot of that had to do with horrendous talent we had in 2015.. For 8 games that season our second best defensive player was the immortal Demantre Moore.. Let that sink in.. JR gave him no talent to work with..
It happened a lot more than just in 2015 - it was a recurring pattern.
Yes there were blowouts throughout his tenure.. but we know he isn't perfect.. neither is anyone else coaching in the NFL... with the exception of BB no other current coach is more accomplished..
Also majority of those blowouts came after 2011.. when JR couldn't replace talent on either side of the Line.. Once Tuck and Osi went out.. our DL has been barren.. thats why we had to spend 200M to have a below average DL 2 seasons in..
BTW some of you guys sound truly butt hurt about fans who support our 2 time SB winning coach.. also who cares if Greg from LI gives TC credit.. the fucking owner of the team who basically hired TC to do owners job is very happy with his hire..
The onwers, card-carrying dunces themselves, did absolutely everything the Confederacy advocated- everything, and the result was a dumpster fire, a clusterfuck of bullshit.
How right you are. Our two demands were:
1. Fire Coughlin but keep Reese. None of us wanted Reese gone. He's our bae.
2. Get rid of the entire starting squad of receivers by week 5.
It's at least comforting to know we have an owner who listens.
To be fair, that's in only 13 games and he was banged up for a few others. Fournette was definitely a difference maker in the games he played, especially when he was 100% early in the season..
I'm just glad he made the decision fairly quickly so the NFL could get back to work, as each organization was on pause as if it was a strike year just as Homer predicted.
Who hurt you?
TC deserves props for helping to restore order to a joke of a franchise. No issues with that... BUT it has zero to do with whether we should have kept him on as HC any longer. because we shouldn't. He had lived past his expiration date here.
and all the flowers being thrown at his feet and hand wringing that he isn't with us anymore is a joke.
our team under TC the last handful of years was soft, inconsistent, injury prone and prone to dumb mistakes. I was/am no fan of Ben Mc but we at least got a 1 year bump under him before the bottom fell out.
The reality is that most reasonable people here wanted both TC and Reese gone... IMO, we would be 2 years further along in our "rebuilding process".
Regardless, we are where we are and I am very hopeful and excited about our prospects... too bad, guys like you have to be such a downer pining away for guy like a love sick teenage girl.
enjoy the Jax playoffs... I am going to pay attention to the exciting Giants off season.
I was/am no fan of Ben Mc but we at least got a 1 year bump under him
That was just because the halls of Metlife still had that Coughlin smell.
If if makes you feel better to call us apologists and Jacksonville fans, go ahead, but the logic at the time was sound and the results have played that out.
The offensive line and defensive line fell apart, and the rest of the team followed like dominoes.
And Eli Manning has not forgotten how to QB all of the sudden, either, but it's going to take him leaving and taking another team to the playoffs (like Coughlin has done) for some of you to see that. And even then, I'm sure you'll spin it some other way and double down on it.
I think both Reese and Coughlin should have been canned in 2015 - TC did a poor job in 2015. Bad decisions, not realizing what was going on with Beckham during the Panthers game, etc.
With that said, I give Coughlin more credit with the team's Super Bowl runs - I think he's a truly great coach. But I don't see him being given a raw deal with the Giants. Four post-Super Bowl years with zero playoff appearances.
and I will be curious if any teams like that reach out to inquire about trading for Eli.
we are not that team... we are in for some work over the next couple of years...and Eli is not a QB who can elevate his play or the team around him to the point of making us great. so better to take our lumps now, IMO, and start fresh as we build this thing back up.
as for TC... he was so incredible as our HC the last few years with us that exactly ZERO teams hired him as their HC.
Just like ol' Gene's other man-crush...Gilbride... another guy without a job after we let him go.
so I am comfortable with my position on this and no amount of fact changing by you or ol' Geno is gonna change that.
Let me ask you this, now that you see how badly McAdoo drove the offense off a cliff.
How do you like the 2016 team's chances with Coughlin's offense from 2015, paired with our 200 million defense from 2016? You think Coughlin could have done okay with that defense?
And don't give me that "Who was the OC crap", we saw how that went off a cliff when McAdoo fully implemented his playbook and called plays, and that was even during the 11-5 season. They were brutal.
Mara fired the wrong guy in 2015, and that's crystal clear, now. Coughlin could have coached another year or two and then gone upstairs.
and as for this past year, no doubt TC as HC wouldn't have gone 3-13 but my guess is we don't win more than 8-9 games with him either.
so, in reality we are in a better position now b/c at least we have a opt 2 pick in the draft...
How do you like the 2016 team's chances with Coughlin's offense from 2015, paired with our 200 million defense from 2016? You think Coughlin could have done okay with that defense?
From 11-5 to an earth shattering 12-4 maybe. That or maybe a 6-2 start and finishing 8-8.
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How do you like the 2016 team's chances with Coughlin's offense from 2015, paired with our 200 million defense from 2016? You think Coughlin could have done okay with that defense?
From 11-5 to an earth shattering 12-4 maybe. That or maybe a 6-2 start and finishing 8-8.
Considering mismanagement cost the Giants several games in his final years I bet they go 8-8
With coughlin, we could have made a legitimate run at another title last year....
Ultimately, what was the rush to show him the door? Losing a Mcadoo to philly? Man, too bad.
Ultimately, what was the rush to show him the door?
7-9, 6-10, 6-10 topped with decisions that brought questions about his mental capacity on the field, awful clock management and a major lack of awareness.
THANK YOU!
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That is exactly what we got. We would probably have just ended up with a more franchise killing middle of the road draft pick after squeaking out a couple of victories.
And yet you had no problem using his age as a reason why he didn't get another HC invite just two posts before this one. Which one is it?
What's funny about some of you on this thread that have been carrying on like this for the past few weeks is that no one is saying that Reese didn't deserve to get canned along with Coughlin (although at the time I did argue that I thought Reese deserved a chance to pick his own coach once before getting fired... and it appears I was wrong about that and he should've been let go with Coughlin... but at least I can admit it when I'm wrong). But you guys want to place the WHOLE mess on Reese... and meanwhile absolve Coughlin and Eli of their respective roles in the last decade... and really think that's a credible stance to take based on Coughlin's team making the playoffs... but totally discounting Reese's team doing the same thing last year.
It's just really pathetic to see some feeling the need to defend Coughlin and Eli against all comers because they won two Super Bowls... and yet not give Reese his due as well. Find all the excuses you want... but the FACT of the matter is that all three played a MAJOR role in the last decade... but the good and the bad. I know informing you of that doesn't give you another dart to throw at the dartboard with Reese's face on it... but it's the truth.
Excuse... after excuse... after excuse....
At what point is Coughlin to blame? Just curious.
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"Awful" clock management decisions were predicated on the knowledge that we had a Swiss cheese defense that couldnt hold an end of game lead with a minute left. 6 times in 2015.
Excuse... after excuse... after excuse....
At what point is Coughlin to blame? Just curious.
Never, apparently.
All of the bad shit that happened was because he was being undermined.
He had no say in the faulty personnel or the way it was deployed. He was just an innocent bystander.
Except for when we won those Super Bowls - that was all him.
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"Awful" clock management decisions were predicated on the knowledge that we had a Swiss cheese defense that couldnt hold an end of game lead with a minute left. 6 times in 2015.
Excuse... after excuse... after excuse....
At what point is Coughlin to blame? Just curious.
Never, apparently.
All of the bad shit that happened was because he was being undermined.
He had no say in the faulty personnel or the way it was deployed. He was just an innocent bystander.
Except for when we won those Super Bowls - that was all him.
LOL! Exactly!
Someone on another thread just blamed Reese for not dealing with Eli Apple. Because you know... GMs ALWAYS get involved in team matters during the season.
It's just weird how much hatred folks have for Reese. A man who was instrumental in the two Super Bowl victories in the last decade... just as he was instrumental in the failures over the past decade.
Remember when they were good under Coughlin, how his fan club used to go on and on about how one of the big differences between Coughlin and Fassel was Coughlin's peerless input on personnel? How the drafts were so much better after Fassel because Coughlin was right there with Reese giving his opinions? Funny how the same people pulled a complete 180 on that when the drafts grew barren. Then, it became "Jerry is screwing TC!!!!"
The late season collapses? Weak rosters. Poor clock management? Crickets. Lousy picks for his coordinators? Management was interfering too much with his staff.
kind of lame to finish off with that when your inconsistencies have been highlighted repeatedly on this thread alone.
I was a HUGE supporter of the entire process between 2007 and 2011-12. Huge. In Reese I trust. Argued against anybody that had a bad word to say about the guy, even excused a lot of stuff that happened in 2012. But by 2013, it was clear that the Offensive line had been neglected, and needed to be rebuilt quickly. It was crucial in our entire philosophy that we had been using successfully for years. Gilbride and Coughlin needed it, and Eli needed it. When we had a good offensive line, we were good. We basically had to scrap our entire playbook that we had been using since 2007 after 2013 because the offensive line was a commplete mess. Gilbride lost his job over it. We tried to retool and rebuild, but couldn't. Meanwhile, the defensive roster was also falling to shit, and our drafts were bad, but I believe even then, with a decent offensive line we could have gotten past it. We never got one, and Coughlin was the next to fall. I don't know if Reese convinced McAdoo or McAdoo convinced Reese that that wasn't a big deal, but the complete ignoring of it this past offseason was just another year of neglect that ended the season before it began.
It's a very simple, logical progress that formed my opinion:
1. Offensive line failed
2. Gilbride and Coughlin could not run their system without it.
3. Gilbride, then Coughlin fired.
4. Eli could not operate behind it and is now getting the blame.
It all goes back to the offensive line for me. That's why I blame Reese. And you can say, well Coughlin had input too. Well, Coughlin got fired. This past offseason, Reese made a decision to let it ride with the hopes it was good enough. And it was another bad decision. Teams rebuild lines in single offseasons. Coughlin has helped Jacksonville's line get humming pretty quickly. Reese's has been bad for 7 years.
Nothing more, nothing less, certainly nothing sinister as has been implied in the past, here.
kind of lame to finish off with that when your inconsistencies have been highlighted repeatedly on this thread alone.
I have not been inconsistent. My opinion has been pretty damn consistent for the past five years, unlike the backtracking and spinning that occurs regularly here in regards to Coughlin, McAdoo, Reese, and Eli.
Could it be that the recently sainted TC (at least by some here) had a hand in the decisions that have not worked out?
you are certainly single-minded - I'll give you that... but the logic you and others use to support that single mindedness is flawed at best.
Could it be that the recently sainted TC (at least by some here) had a hand in the decisions that have not worked out?
The line began falling apart in 2009. It wasn't ignored, but they waited too long to address it, and when they did, they failed in free agency and the draft.
so let's be clear, TC didn't have any input on personnel decisions? is that your position now?
But I'm not going to sit here and go in circles with the mob. I felt firing Coughlin was the wrong move at the time, and I believe the results have played that out.
That's it. You disagree, fine.
I didn't say that. I said that you can say that he did, but then he got fired. Then I went on to point at this last offseason where the line was completely ignored and deemed good enough as constructed as a solo Reese effort.
But I'm not going to sit here and go in circles with the mob. I felt firing Coughlin was the wrong move at the time, and I believe the results have played that out.
That's it. You disagree, fine.
Britt, so when you wax poetic on here about ignoring the OL, isn't that on both Reese AND Coughlin?